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TF2 at Calgary Expo 2017
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#1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ZkqFsoo7c

Turns out its Koth 3v3 with 1 class limit LUL

(minute 1:45)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ZkqFsoo7c

Turns out its Koth 3v3 with 1 class limit LUL

(minute 1:45)
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#2
28 Frags +

i'm more of a 7v7 1 class limit kind of player myself

i'm more of a 7v7 1 class limit kind of player myself
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#3
28 Frags +

3v3 king of the hill

The way TF2 was Meant to be played!

3v3 king of the hill

The way TF2 was [i]Meant to be played![/i]
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#4
22 Frags +

That's a weird fucking whitelist too. Banning stuff like the back scratcher, and warriors spirit but not shit like crit a cola, or quickfix. It's like the just put all the unlocks on a dart board and the first 20 weapons to get hit got banned.

Show Content
Banned weapons:
Back Scratcher
Battalions Backup
Bonk
Brass Beast
Candy Cane
Cow Mangler 5000
Jag
Mad Milk
Natasha
Righteous Bison
Sandman
Short Circuit
The Ullapool Caber
Vita-saw
Warrior's Spirit
Wrangler

Still might be lft for this tho considering how rare it is to have a lan within driving distance of me.

That's a weird fucking whitelist too. Banning stuff like the back scratcher, and warriors spirit but not shit like crit a cola, or quickfix. It's like the just put all the unlocks on a dart board and the first 20 weapons to get hit got banned.

[spoiler]Banned weapons:
Back Scratcher
Battalions Backup
Bonk
Brass Beast
Candy Cane
Cow Mangler 5000
Jag
Mad Milk
Natasha
Righteous Bison
Sandman
Short Circuit
The Ullapool Caber
Vita-saw
Warrior's Spirit
Wrangler[/spoiler]

Still might be lft for this tho considering how rare it is to have a lan within driving distance of me.
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#5
-8 Frags +

Honestly 3v3 koth doesn't sound too shabby. Medic, Heavy, Sniper? Or maybe scout instead of heavy idk.

Honestly 3v3 koth doesn't sound too shabby. Medic, Heavy, Sniper? Or maybe scout instead of heavy idk.
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#6
16 Frags +

3v3 koth and the video shows playload and a/d maps, nice

Why not 4v4? At least that has fleshed out rules/people who play it. Also it bans having a heavy and a medic on the same team at the same time which, if that's not banned here, would be cancer.

3v3 koth and the video shows playload and a/d maps, nice

Why not 4v4? At least that has fleshed out rules/people who play it. Also it bans having a heavy and a medic on the same team at the same time which, if that's not banned here, would be cancer.
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#7
0 Frags +

Medic/soldier/scout, then?

Medic/soldier/scout, then?
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#8
17 Frags +

Who would be volunteering to tell them for the next time to at least make something that is close to 6v6 that we as the community play?

Who would be volunteering to tell them for the next time to at least make something that is close to 6v6 that we as the community play?
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#9
18 Frags +

Reminder that the Lanified guy actually posted on TFTV asking if anyone wants to help with the TF2 stuff and I'm assuming nobody did because it's still 3v3 KOTH

aight so he didnt ask for help but someone could have at least told him something

http://www.teamfortress.tv/612/lanified-12-trinity-calgary-oct-12-14

3v3 KOTH for at least 4 years running lmao

[s]Reminder that the Lanified guy actually posted on TFTV asking if anyone wants to help with the TF2 stuff and I'm assuming nobody did because it's still 3v3 KOTH[/s]

aight so he didnt ask for help but someone could have at least told him something

http://www.teamfortress.tv/612/lanified-12-trinity-calgary-oct-12-14

3v3 KOTH for at least 4 years running lmao
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#10
14 Frags +

So this is how TF2 is being integrated into small-time LAN's with other big name e-sports such as CS:GO and LoL??
REALLY! Did the people making this lan even know what the fuck TF2 was, or was it just like, o i remember this game type of thing. I mean, its nice that TF2 is being featured and what not, but not even 4v4 KoTH? I'm pretty sure this has been tried before, correct me if I'm wrong.

Like, this annoys me, even though it is good to have TF2 out there in the world, but this seems to me more like a pub. if that's what they're going for 10/10/10

So this is how TF2 is being integrated into small-time LAN's with other big name e-sports such as CS:GO and LoL??
REALLY! Did the people making this lan even know what the fuck TF2 was, or was it just like, o i remember this game type of thing. I mean, its nice that TF2 is being featured and what not, but not even 4v4 KoTH? I'm pretty sure this has been tried before, correct me if I'm wrong.

Like, this annoys me, even though it is good to have TF2 out there in the world, but this seems to me more like a pub. if that's what they're going for 10/10/10
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#11
2 Frags +

Why would heavy be good in this? He's super easy to pick off on viaduct and without a scout, the only way to not get sniped is countersniping. I imagine a sniper/med/scout team would have a big advantage over med/sniper/heavy. Or med/scout/soldier might be even more effective for rollout reasons alone.

Why would heavy be good in this? He's super easy to pick off on viaduct and without a scout, the only way to not get sniped is countersniping. I imagine a sniper/med/scout team would have a big advantage over med/sniper/heavy. Or med/scout/soldier might be even more effective for rollout reasons alone.
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#12
27 Frags +
LANified!Any unlocks past the Manno-Technology Bundle (August 18th, 2011) will be banned also. Update details can be found at: http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Patches

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[quote=LANified!]Any unlocks past the Manno-Technology Bundle (August 18th, 2011) will be banned also. Update details can be found at: http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Patches
[/quote]

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#13
4 Frags +

LFP 3v3 spy

LFP 3v3 spy
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#14
5 Frags +

Id be down to go and stomp on some nerds for a day or so, but i got a flight on the morning of the 29th so i could not play the full thing to the stage 2 or whatever. If anyone needs or wants a ride down id be coming in from Edmonton. Shit sounds like it could be fun.

Id be down to go and stomp on some nerds for a day or so, but i got a flight on the morning of the 29th so i could not play the full thing to the stage 2 or whatever. If anyone needs or wants a ride down id be coming in from Edmonton. Shit sounds like it could be fun.
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#15
18 Frags +

@b4nny, @sideshow, @semiface pls make them to change it to 6v6 and let's have another lan

@b4nny, @sideshow, @semiface pls make them to change it to 6v6 and let's have another lan
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#16
2 Frags +

TEN THOUSAND VALUE IN PRIZING

TEN THOUSAND VALUE IN PRIZING
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#17
9 Frags +

the logistics of finding 5 other tf2 playing in the calgary area LEL

anyways if 2 people wanna make a team for that and rockety league lemme know.

the logistics of finding 5 other tf2 playing in the calgary area LEL

anyways if 2 people wanna make a team for that and rockety league lemme know.
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#18
18 Frags +

I really don't get it, awful whitelist and in game format, even worse tournament format, with awful justification. This is a total upsetti spaghetti post but honestly wtf

Using the same format for years because once extine ran a fairly unsuccessful cup FIVE YEARS AGO? Apparently been developed over years, but by the whitelist and map pool it's pretty obvious it's not been changed for 5 years too, or the devs, who are unnamed but apparently have won multiple tf2 tournaments are completely incompetent.

Apparently it gets signups, but only enough that they can't process them, which is a completely meaningless measurement. I don't understand why you would obfuscate the information like this if the signups are actually as good as the other games, and if they're not, why say it?

"We also hand-vet the map list too based on a plethora of parameters. We are the authoritative body for this ruleset, and for those who are aware of it, they recognise this element too." -Organiser
what did he mean by this????

Just look at this. This just seems like a really shit way to run a tournament. What happens if everyones eliminated and nobody has qualified for stage 2?

You're not even allowed to plug in your own peripherals, professional grade ones will be provided apparently, also, the map pool contains such godly maps as harvest and 'rocktop_a3' which was apparently made in 2011 and has a grand total of 64 downloads on tf2maps. It's also got viaduct and viaduct_pro.

I'm not an expert in tournament organising but I don't understand how this could possibly be the best way to play tf2 for your LAN that you could possibly come up with, you could put in about an hours worth of research and immediately do way better. I get it's a small lan but still. smh

I really don't get it, awful whitelist and in game format, even worse tournament format, with awful justification. This is a total upsetti spaghetti post but honestly wtf

Using the same format for years because once extine ran a fairly unsuccessful cup FIVE YEARS AGO? Apparently been developed over years, but by the whitelist and map pool it's pretty obvious it's not been changed for 5 years too, or the devs, who are unnamed but apparently have won multiple tf2 tournaments are completely incompetent.

Apparently it gets signups, but only enough that they can't process them, which is a completely meaningless measurement. I don't understand why you would obfuscate the information like this if the signups are actually as good as the other games, and if they're not, why say it?

"We also hand-vet the map list too based on a plethora of parameters. We are the authoritative body for this ruleset, and for those who are aware of it, they recognise this element too." -Organiser
what did he mean by this????

[url=http://www.lanified.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=85376#p256299]Just look at this.[/url] This just seems like a really shit way to run a tournament. What happens if everyones eliminated and nobody has qualified for stage 2?

You're not even allowed to plug in your own peripherals, professional grade ones will be provided apparently, also, the map pool contains such godly maps as harvest and 'rocktop_a3' which was apparently made in 2011 and has a grand total of 64 downloads on tf2maps. It's also got viaduct and viaduct_pro.

I'm not an expert in tournament organising but I don't understand how this could possibly be the best way to play tf2 for your LAN that you could possibly come up with, you could put in about an hours worth of research and immediately do way better. I get it's a small lan but still. smh
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#19
-6 Frags +
MouldYou're not even allowed to plug in your own peripherals, professional grade ones will be provided apparently

I agree with every other point you made, and I think your upsetti spaghetti post was really well crafted and did a good job laying out the problems with this event. That said, not allowing people to bring their own peripherals is a good policy for every LAN. CS has had cheating problems involving peripheral drivers. IMO they should just lock down everything and players shouldn't be doing much other than sitting down and playing. Anything they want done should be handled by the tournament organizers.

Of course, it's silly to go to these extremes for a 3v3 (wtf) TF2 tournament. But it's a good policy in general I think.

[quote=Mould]
You're not even allowed to plug in your own peripherals, professional grade ones will be provided apparently[/quote]
I agree with every other point you made, and I think your upsetti spaghetti post was really well crafted and did a good job laying out the problems with this event. That said, not allowing people to bring their own peripherals is a good policy for every LAN. CS has had cheating problems involving peripheral drivers. IMO they should just lock down everything and players shouldn't be doing much other than sitting down and playing. Anything they want done should be handled by the tournament organizers.

Of course, it's silly to go to these extremes for a 3v3 (wtf) TF2 tournament. But it's a good policy in general I think.
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#20
12 Frags +

yo whats the prize pool for their events? specially the professional rocketleague cause I couldn't find it if there is one

Android_That said, not allowing people to bring their own peripherals is a good policy for every LAN.

no. pls no

even 2 of the same mouse perform differently. much less using some random shit.
that's a horrible policy if you want a high level of competition.

yo whats the prize pool for their events? specially the professional rocketleague cause I couldn't find it if there is one

[quote=Android_]That said, not allowing people to bring their own peripherals is a good policy for every LAN. [/quote]
no. pls no

even 2 of the same mouse perform differently. much less using some random shit.
that's a horrible policy if you want a high level of competition.
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#21
16 Frags +

I mean yeah its kinda a mess but you cant really give them shit for it. Outside of a couple of old school players (sigma, ggglygy, tyranny) there is like zero actual tf2 players in the area, or in Alberta at all. This is built for pubbers from the ground up. Its not meant to be serious, its meant to be something that the average person can join in on and play, and 3v3 koth is 100% that.

It actually makes sense to host a 3v3 tournament at a rather obsucre event that might get like 2 or 3 actual players. That being said, them defending ther reasoning with "we have people who have won multiple tournaments" and "extine supports it" are really really terrible reasons, because the second you get a competent player at the event and throw them on scout or sniper it is more or less over. But you really cant give them too much shit because how many of you are actually going to go and show up anyways?

I mean yeah its kinda a mess but you cant really give them shit for it. Outside of a couple of old school players (sigma, ggglygy, tyranny) there is like zero actual tf2 players in the area, or in Alberta at all. This is built for pubbers from the ground up. Its not meant to be serious, its meant to be something that the average person can join in on and play, and 3v3 koth is 100% that.


It actually makes sense to host a 3v3 tournament at a rather obsucre event that might get like 2 or 3 actual players. That being said, them defending ther reasoning with "we have people who have won multiple tournaments" and "extine supports it" are really really terrible reasons, because the second you get a competent player at the event and throw them on scout or sniper it is more or less over. But you really cant give them too much shit because how many of you are actually going to go and show up anyways?
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#22
0 Frags +

Cornpop16That's a weird fucking whitelist too. Banning stuff like the back scratcher, and warriors spirit but not shit like crit a cola, or quickfix. It's like the just put all the unlocks on a dart board and the first 20 weapons to get hit got banned.

Show Content
Banned weapons:
Back Scratcher
Battalions Backup
Bonk
Brass Beast
Candy Cane
Cow Mangler 5000
Jag
Mad Milk
Natasha
Righteous Bison
Sandman
Short Circuit
The Ullapool Caber
Vita-saw
Warrior's Spirit
Wrangler

Still might be lft for this tho considering how rare it is to have a lan within driving distance of me.

where did you find the rules?

nvm
http://www.lanified.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=85376#p256299

I think it's a cool fun format for newbies. I'm not sure at all about the whitelist tho. If it's for pubbers they might as well not ban anything

[s][quote=Cornpop16]That's a weird fucking whitelist too. Banning stuff like the back scratcher, and warriors spirit but not shit like crit a cola, or quickfix. It's like the just put all the unlocks on a dart board and the first 20 weapons to get hit got banned.

[spoiler]Banned weapons:
Back Scratcher
Battalions Backup
Bonk
Brass Beast
Candy Cane
Cow Mangler 5000
Jag
Mad Milk
Natasha
Righteous Bison
Sandman
Short Circuit
The Ullapool Caber
Vita-saw
Warrior's Spirit
Wrangler[/spoiler]

Still might be lft for this tho considering how rare it is to have a lan within driving distance of me.[/quote]

where did you find the rules?
[/s]

nvm
http://www.lanified.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=85376#p256299

I think it's a cool fun format for newbies. I'm not sure at all about the whitelist tho. If it's for pubbers they might as well not ban anything
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#23
0 Frags +

not too far from me but I wouldn't be caught dead at calgary expo (certainly not to play 3v3 tf2)

fat sweaty nerds in gay costumes

not too far from me but I wouldn't be caught dead at calgary expo (certainly not to play 3v3 tf2)

fat sweaty nerds in gay costumes
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#24
Patch Notes
0 Frags +

BaseLAN is better, but it's a shame they're not hosting TF tournaments these days.

BaseLAN is better, but it's a shame they're not hosting TF tournaments these days.
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#25
10 Frags +

U L T I T R I O

U L T I T R I O
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#26
8 Frags +

Tino and I are going to go to this if we can find one more person to make a team with. Nothing super serious but should be a fun way to spend a weekend. Add me if you're interested.

Tino and I are going to go to this if we can find one more person to make a team with. Nothing super serious but should be a fun way to spend a weekend. Add me if you're interested.
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#27
9 Frags +

Hi Folks,

I'm BloodyIron, I own and operate LANified!

It seems like there's some things that might be worth saying here, so check out what I have to say, and then gotfrag me away.

Well, where to begin...

1. I developed the 3v3 KotH format for a bunch of reasons many many years ago. To summarise, a lot of them revolved around having more teams be involved in a tournament, and making it generally much easier to make/maintain a team, compared to 6v6.
2. I don't know if you've noticed, but TF2 isn't played anywhere near as much as CS:GO, for example. As such, making local teams of 6's is particularly hard to almost impossible. We have found our 3v3 KotH format is exceptional at making/maintaining teams easy, and is very well received by those who participate when we implement it.
3. We are well aware that 6's is the most popular format online. However many events have demonstrated that translating that to LAN is particularly challenging.
4. The 3v3 KotH format that we develop and implement is intended to be a distinct experience, and actually was developed well before the 4v4 format was generally accepted by the community. We develop the format as an independent entity, and this includes the bans and map selection. We do not always agree with the community decisions, and as an independent entity reserve the right to disagree.
5. We know that just like anything on the internet, there will be people who do not like what we do or have to say.
6. The peripherals rule is a blanket rule that was originally implemented to address CS:GO hacking, but in the interest of consistency it is implemented for all the tournaments we will be running at the Calgary Expo 2017. This rule is not going to change, and I know that there will be plenty of frustration around this. Consider the flip side of this, you do not have to tote any peripherals with you to participate. Furthermore, peripherals have been provided at the last two Calgary Expo years, so that is consistent in that regard.
7. We do not currently have peripheral bans at our LAN parties, the ban is strictly for the Calgary Expo 2017 tournaments at this time.
8. We are updating the bans/maplist, and it is almost ready to be announced. Spoiler, not a lot will change.
9. If you're not interested in this format, that's cool guys. We know this isn't for everyone. But we've seen a ludicrious amount of interest in this at the Calgary Expo. We've actually had to close and re-open registration repeatedly due to too many people signing up in 2015 and 2016!
10. I sincerely hope that despite your reservations about this format, that if you have the chance, you come and participate anyways. We put an ungodly amount of work and effort into every detail possible to make it all run like butter. We want it to be loads of fun, while still being fair competition.

I think that's the majority of the constructive things I can say at this time. It is unlikely that I will be able to address further responses at this time, as I have to make this shit actually happen now. Hope to see you there! Stay classy gotfrag ;)

Hi Folks,

I'm BloodyIron, I own and operate LANified!

It seems like there's some things that might be worth saying here, so check out what I have to say, and then gotfrag me away.

Well, where to begin...

1. I developed the 3v3 KotH format for a bunch of reasons many many years ago. To summarise, a lot of them revolved around having more teams be involved in a tournament, and making it generally much easier to make/maintain a team, compared to 6v6.
2. I don't know if you've noticed, but TF2 isn't played anywhere near as much as CS:GO, for example. As such, making local teams of 6's is particularly hard to almost impossible. We have found our 3v3 KotH format is exceptional at making/maintaining teams easy, and is very well received by those who participate when we implement it.
3. We are well aware that 6's is the most popular format online. However many events have demonstrated that translating that to LAN is particularly challenging.
4. The 3v3 KotH format that we develop and implement is intended to be a distinct experience, and actually was developed well before the 4v4 format was generally accepted by the community. We develop the format as an independent entity, and this includes the bans and map selection. We do not always agree with the community decisions, and as an independent entity reserve the right to disagree.
5. We know that just like anything on the internet, there will be people who do not like what we do or have to say.
6. The peripherals rule is a blanket rule that was originally implemented to address CS:GO hacking, but in the interest of consistency it is implemented for all the tournaments we will be running at the Calgary Expo 2017. This rule is not going to change, and I know that there will be plenty of frustration around this. Consider the flip side of this, you do not have to tote any peripherals with you to participate. Furthermore, peripherals have been provided at the last two Calgary Expo years, so that is consistent in that regard.
7. We do not currently have peripheral bans at our LAN parties, the ban is strictly for the Calgary Expo 2017 tournaments at this time.
8. We are updating the bans/maplist, and it is almost ready to be announced. Spoiler, not a lot will change.
9. If you're not interested in this format, that's cool guys. We know this isn't for everyone. But we've seen a ludicrious amount of interest in this at the Calgary Expo. We've actually had to close and re-open registration repeatedly due to too many people signing up in 2015 and 2016!
10. I sincerely hope that despite your reservations about this format, that if you have the chance, you come and participate anyways. We put an ungodly amount of work and effort into every detail possible to make it all run like butter. We want it to be loads of fun, while still being fair competition.

I think that's the majority of the constructive things I can say at this time. It is unlikely that I will be able to address further responses at this time, as I have to make this shit actually happen now. Hope to see you there! Stay classy gotfrag ;)
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#28
0 Frags +

I actually totally agree with the 3v3 thing. I've convinced a couple of IRL friends who don't play TF2 much to go with me to this, but there's no way I could have gotten 5 others.

Still disagree with the map list and ban list, but it's whatever I don't plan to be taking this too seriously.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :)

I actually totally agree with the 3v3 thing. I've convinced a couple of IRL friends who don't play TF2 much to go with me to this, but there's no way I could have gotten 5 others.

Still disagree with the map list and ban list, but it's whatever I don't plan to be taking this too seriously.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :)
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#29
5 Frags +

I got a minute to respond to this.

1. I actually forgot to talk about the maps. The maps are hand-picked to be suitable for our format. There are old ones in the list, but why does age matter? If the map is good, the date should be irrelevant. That being said, the update to the rules that we are finalising will include the map element. So stay tuned for that!
2. The ban list, there are changes that need to happen there, hence the update we're working on. That being said, we anticipate as always people will have their disagreements. Please rest assured we thoroughly evaluate weapons to be banned or not banned in such a way that is appropriate for this format, we don't just blindly pick them.
3. We will be announcing the updates on our website http://lanified.com , not here.
4. I hope you have a blast! Don't forget to bring your ammo ;)
5. You're welcome :D

Cornpop16I actually totally agree with the 3v3 thing. I've convinced a couple of IRL friends who don't play TF2 much to go with me to this, but there's no way I could have gotten 5 others.

Still disagree with the map list and ban list, but it's whatever I don't plan to be taking this too seriously.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :)
I got a minute to respond to this.

1. I actually forgot to talk about the maps. The maps are hand-picked to be suitable for our format. There are old ones in the list, but why does age matter? If the map is good, the date should be irrelevant. That being said, the update to the rules that we are finalising will include the map element. So stay tuned for that!
2. The ban list, there are changes that need to happen there, hence the update we're working on. That being said, we anticipate as always people will have their disagreements. Please rest assured we thoroughly evaluate weapons to be banned or not banned in such a way that is appropriate for this format, we don't just blindly pick them.
3. We will be announcing the updates on our website http://lanified.com , not here.
4. I hope you have a blast! Don't forget to bring your ammo ;)
5. You're welcome :D


[quote=Cornpop16]I actually totally agree with the 3v3 thing. I've convinced a couple of IRL friends who don't play TF2 much to go with me to this, but there's no way I could have gotten 5 others.

Still disagree with the map list and ban list, but it's whatever I don't plan to be taking this too seriously.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :)[/quote]
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#30
2 Frags +

Other than having to wake up at 6am to drive to Calgary on Sunday, this was a really fun time! Big thanks to BloodyIron and the other people at LANified and the Calgary Expo for putting in all the hard work to make this happen.

Even if it wasn't the most serious format, and the relative skill level was pretty low (one guy on the 2nd place team had 30 hours), it's awesome to see TF2 lans being supported in Alberta, and I'll be there next year assuming it's still on! :)

Other than having to wake up at 6am to drive to Calgary on Sunday, this was a really fun time! Big thanks to BloodyIron and the other people at LANified and the Calgary Expo for putting in all the hard work to make this happen.

Even if it wasn't the most serious format, and the relative skill level was pretty low (one guy on the 2nd place team had 30 hours), it's awesome to see TF2 lans being supported in Alberta, and I'll be there next year assuming it's still on! :)
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