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TF2 update for 8/21/20
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#31
5 Frags +
loottwiikuu- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore

if anybody finds a workaround please post

Haven't tested, does pinning or anim locking fix it?

[quote=loot][quote=twiikuu]- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore[/quote]

if anybody finds a workaround please post[/quote]
Haven't tested, does [url=https://github.com/JarateKing/TF2-Hud-Reference/blob/master/1-APPENDIX/Positioning.md#pin-to-corner]pinning[/url] or [url=https://github.com/JarateKing/TF2-Hud-Reference/blob/master/1-APPENDIX/StubbornElements.md#chat-background-alpha]anim locking[/url] fix it?
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#32
64 Frags +

if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded

if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded
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#33
-7 Frags +

Soldier just can’t catch a fucking break.

Soldier just can’t catch a fucking break.
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#34
2 Frags +

which crate series will give 100% unusuals this time?

which crate series will give 100% unusuals this time?
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#35
36 Frags +

Man people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away

Man people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away
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#36
2 Frags +
loottwiikuu- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore

if anybody finds a workaround please post

hud_reloadscheme works but the chatbox resets when I change class

[quote=loot][quote=twiikuu]- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore[/quote]

if anybody finds a workaround please post[/quote]
hud_reloadscheme works but the chatbox resets when I change class
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#37
0 Frags +
neonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded

theres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.

[quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
theres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.
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#38
5 Frags +
twiikuu- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore

https://i.imgur.com/WaePq5v.png

Not sure how 7hud did it but the chat box seems to be in an unusual spot, so it should still be doable

[quote=twiikuu]- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/WaePq5v.png[/img]
Not sure how [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/12745/7hud/?page=11#313]7hud[/url] did it but the chat box seems to be in an unusual spot, so it should still be doable
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#39
-1 Frags +
neonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded

Honestly if you're not playing/jumping with default lerp, 75 FOV, and every other default setting you kinda just suck. Valve chose them as the default for a reason. They can do no wrong hence these settings must be optimal.

[quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
Honestly if you're not playing/jumping with default lerp, 75 FOV, and every other default setting you kinda just suck. Valve chose them as the default for a reason. They can do no wrong hence these settings must be optimal.
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#40
18 Frags +
Reeroneonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retardedtheres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.

But.... It didn't. I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head

Zikeneonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retardedHonestly if you're not playing/jumping with default lerp, 75 FOV, and every other default setting you kinda just suck. Valve chose them as the default for a reason. They can do no wrong hence these settings must be optimal.

No one thinks the TF2 defaults from fucking 2006 are good for games in 2020. In 2006 100ms lerp was kinda just standard. Should they have updated them as time passed? Yeah. But you're just logical fallacying yourself into a ditch

[quote=Reero][quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
theres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.[/quote]

But.... It didn't. I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head

[quote=Zike][quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
Honestly if you're not playing/jumping with default lerp, 75 FOV, and every other default setting you kinda just suck. Valve chose them as the default for a reason. They can do no wrong hence these settings must be optimal.[/quote]
No one thinks the TF2 defaults from fucking 2006 are good for games in 2020. In 2006 100ms lerp was kinda just standard. Should they have updated them as time passed? Yeah. But you're just logical fallacying yourself into a ditch
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#41
-3 Frags +
PeteReeroneonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retardedtheres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.
But.... It didn't. I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head

you can ask any of the jumpers including the numerous that have posted in this thread that 0 lerp helps you see your stickies better which makes it wayy easier to airpogo and speedpogo,

[quote=Pete][quote=Reero][quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
theres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.[/quote]

But.... It didn't. I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head[/quote]

you can ask any of the jumpers including the numerous that have posted in this thread that 0 lerp helps you see your stickies better which makes it wayy easier to airpogo and speedpogo,
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#42
-3 Frags +
ReeroPeteReeroneonif you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retardedtheres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.
But.... It didn't. I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head

you can ask any of the jumpers including the numerous that have posted in this thread that 0 lerp helps you see your stickies better which makes it wayy easier to airpogo and speedpogo,
mastercomsSo why did you mention tourney servers and not jump servers? Jump servers are a whole different thing and I agree that in those cases, the server owner should allow for that to happen or you can use a local session. But for the vast majority of cases, which is what we're talking about when we discuss game defaults, this is a good change.
[quote=Reero][quote=Pete][quote=Reero][quote=neon]if you had to rely on interp cheating to play demo(including jumping) ur retarded[/quote]
theres a difference between relying on something and the annoyance that is having to deal with an unnecessary change that essentially increases your ping. Like yeah you can pull the "Chad If You Cant Handle 50 Ping You Are Bad" but you cant deny that ping can make a big difference in performance/enjoy-ability.[/quote]

But.... It didn't. [b]I swear people either don't read what mastercomms types or they assume that despite someone smarter than them literally reading the fucking code to them, they MUST know better[/b] because number that has ms next to it must make me ping bad when up number 3Head[/quote]

you can ask any of the jumpers including the numerous that have posted in this thread that 0 lerp helps you see your stickies better which makes it wayy easier to airpogo and speedpogo,[/quote]

[quote=mastercoms]So why did you mention tourney servers and not jump servers? Jump servers are a whole different thing and I agree that in those cases, the server owner should allow for that to happen or you can use a local session. But for the vast majority of cases, which is what we're talking about when we discuss game defaults, this is a good change.[/quote]
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#43
1 Frags +
Pete

look at the person i first quoted and what they said when i made my post, and then look at the post you made in response to me

[quote=Pete][/quote]
look at the person i first quoted and what they said when i made my post, and then look at the post you made in response to me
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#44
-2 Frags +
ReeroPetelook at the person i first quoted and what they said when i made my post, and then look at the post you made in response to me

Yeah that guy's a dumbass and you fell for dumbass bait. But it doesn't "essentially increase your ping," which is what I responded to

[quote=Reero][quote=Pete][/quote]
look at the person i first quoted and what they said when i made my post, and then look at the post you made in response to me[/quote]

Yeah that guy's a dumbass and you fell for dumbass bait. But it doesn't "essentially increase your ping," which is what I responded to
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#45
-7 Frags +
PeteMan people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away

swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game

[quote=Pete]Man people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away[/quote]
swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game
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#46
15 Frags +
roseeePeteMan people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away
swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game

Last I knew turning your viewmodel off makes some props literally invisible (most prominently on granary) giving you literal wall hacks so... Yeah that shit shouldn't be allowed either.

[quote=roseee][quote=Pete]Man people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away[/quote]
swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game[/quote]

Last I knew turning your viewmodel off makes some props literally invisible (most prominently on granary) giving you literal wall hacks so... Yeah that shit shouldn't be allowed either.
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#47
-5 Frags +
PeteLast I knew turning your viewmodel off makes some props literally invisible (most prominently on granary) giving you literal wall hacks so... Yeah that shit shouldn't be allowed either.

with r_drawviewmodel, or with a refract material?

[quote=Pete]Last I knew turning your viewmodel off makes some props literally invisible (most prominently on granary) giving you literal wall hacks so... Yeah that shit shouldn't be allowed either.[/quote]
with r_drawviewmodel, or with a refract material?
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#48
-35 Frags +
roseeePeteMan people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away
swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game

who r u

[quote=roseee][quote=Pete]Man people are gonna get real mad when they find out that the per-weapon vtf crosshairs are going to go away when valve finally fixes sv_pure in 2022

Idk I get getting mad about your 15ms exploit but if valve is gonna update the game in 2020, expect some of the exploits we're used to to go away[/quote]
swear to god if they patch out helpful shit like transparent viewmodels i'm going to drop the game[/quote]
who r u
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#49
-3 Frags +

the 0 lerp thing for soldier and demo definitely felt very nice regardless of the unintended reasons for its existence. I don't know if Valve is going to remove bounces from the source engine since its also an unintended glitch now.

the 0 lerp thing for soldier and demo definitely felt very nice regardless of the unintended reasons for its existence. I don't know if Valve is going to remove bounces from the source engine since its also an unintended glitch now.
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#50
8 Frags +
mastercomsReero- Fixed an issue where values computed from server bounded ConVars could be incorrect on the client and therefore possibly exploitable

this breaks ppl being able to go below 15 lerp with cl_updaterate btw

sv_maxupdaterate should be maybe higher on tourney configs to allow this
Only if you want the client to extrapolate entity movement with no server data (bad idea). This is a good change that I reported to Valve a few weeks ago because of the server desync and lag compensation problems it could cause.

Its the classic example of a disconnect between the technician and the end-user, albeit the correct technical jargon, the fact of the matter is that there are people whose user experience of the game was improved because of it. It was a choice why did you have to take it away. You just killed the dead horse.

[quote=mastercoms][quote=Reero]- Fixed an issue where values computed from server bounded ConVars could be incorrect on the client and therefore possibly exploitable

this breaks ppl being able to go below 15 lerp with cl_updaterate btw

sv_maxupdaterate should be maybe higher on tourney configs to allow this[/quote]
Only if you want the client to extrapolate entity movement with no server data (bad idea). This is a good change that I reported to Valve a few weeks ago because of the server desync and lag compensation problems it could cause.[/quote]

Its the classic example of a disconnect between the technician and the end-user, albeit the correct technical jargon, the fact of the matter is that there are people whose user experience of the game was improved because of it. It was a choice why did you have to take it away. You just killed the dead horse.
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#51
8 Frags +

Any update that takes options away from the end user that are not unfair or exploiting towards other users is a bad update, especially because most of the people here are concerned about jumping, which is a skill that directly transfers over to real games

Any update that takes options away from the end user that are not unfair or exploiting towards other users is a bad update, especially because most of the people here are concerned about jumping, which is a skill that directly transfers over to real games
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#52
12 Frags +
Thespikedballofdoomtwiikuu- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore

Not sure how 7hud did it but the chat box seems to be in an unusual spot, so it should still be doable

Yes it's possible, in fact the update didn't really add anything new, its just that now the default chat positioning seems to be taken direcly from the animation while before it was taken from BaseChat.res
As long as the hud has the LowerChatWindow and RestoreChatWindow animations set up correclty the chat should stick to the custom assigned postion

[quote=Thespikedballofdoom][quote=twiikuu]- Fixed the chat window not always being restored to the appropriate place

This forces default position for chat, some custom HUDs move it, practically cant do that anymore[/quote]

Not sure how [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/12745/7hud/?page=11#313]7hud[/url] did it but the chat box seems to be in an unusual spot, so it should still be doable[/quote]

Yes it's possible, in fact the update didn't really add anything new, its just that now the default chat positioning seems to be taken direcly from the [url=https://github.com/Hypnootize/TF2-Default-Hud/blob/master/scripts/hudanimations_tf.txt#L1419]animation[/url] while before it was taken from BaseChat.res
As long as the hud has the LowerChatWindow and RestoreChatWindow animations set up correclty the chat should stick to the custom assigned postion
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#53
-53 Frags +

Thanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile

Thanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile
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#54
34 Frags +
zodaicThanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile

Do you even realise how stupid is this paragraph ?
Mastercoms has nothing to do with Valve, so calling her a moron, even though she spent even more time than you jerking off on improving optimisations for us, but also for free, is pretty childish and sad to hear

[quote=zodaic]Thanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile[/quote]
Do you even realise how stupid is this paragraph ?
Mastercoms has nothing to do with Valve, so calling her a moron, even though she spent even more time than you jerking off on improving optimisations for us, but also for free, is pretty childish and sad to hear
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#55
-40 Frags +

no one asked her to do so

no one asked her to do so
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#56
37 Frags +
zodaicThanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile

mans created an account to post this

[quote=zodaic]Thanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile[/quote]

mans created an account to post this
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#57
3 Frags +
zodaicThanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile

You don't want to embrace how the devs want you to experience the game but will put aside mastercomfig and rejoice in all of the default settings' glory?

[quote=zodaic]Thanks moron, i now delete mastercomfig because u finally ruined 0 lerp. It wasn't even an abuse yet for some reason ur dumbass decided to change something that didnt even need a change. Instead of fixing crappy pyro u proceed on doing something that made tons of players quit. Imbicile[/quote]
You don't want to embrace how the devs want you to experience the game but will put aside mastercomfig and rejoice in all of the default settings' glory?
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#58
32 Frags +

hes a spy youtuber just ignore them

hes a spy youtuber just ignore them
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#59
4 Frags +

so why can't the jump servers just update to play well with the new change

so why can't the jump servers just update to play well with the new change
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#60
-33 Frags +

Well done master destroy people's game feeling by playing on your own settings that did not affect how your opponent shoots at you, like the elacour that has played so for 4 years and many others

Well done master destroy people's game feeling by playing on your own settings that did not affect how your opponent shoots at you, like the elacour that has played so for 4 years and many others
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