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Discussing Scratch's ban and RGL
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#31
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welcome to page 2

welcome to page 2
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#32
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(G)ood
(A)t
(M)aking
(E)xtremely hot
GI(R)LS CUM

(G)ood
(A)t
(M)aking
(E)xtremely hot
GI(R)LS CUM
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#33
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https://i.imgur.com/vTnwOYj.png

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#34
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why is everyone such a sissy sjw nowadays....jeez, back in the day we had players like MGEMike whos mere presence was enough to make females in a 5km radius have a seizure inducing orgasm

why is everyone such a sissy sjw nowadays....jeez, back in the day we had players like MGEMike whos mere presence was enough to make females in a 5km radius have a seizure inducing orgasm
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#35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR0yp2788s

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR0yp2788s[/youtube]
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#36
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https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1001430929878328113/E09BFE445AE64801B01327D19C22E37A82CF0DE0/

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#37
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/430060997047222282/701016486461833286/scratch.png?width=763&height=404

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#38
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Wasn't Nursey also banned for off platform actions? Very unfair of RGL to do things like this.

Wasn't Nursey also banned for off platform actions? Very unfair of RGL to do things like this.
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#39
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ah shit here we go again

ah shit here we go again
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#40
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WackyfireballWasn't Nursey also banned for off platform actions? Very unfair of RGL to do things like this.

bro, how is this an argument

[quote=Wackyfireball]Wasn't Nursey also banned for off platform actions? Very unfair of RGL to do things like this.[/quote]
bro, how is this an argument
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#41
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/472051290797768716/701042412751028315/siggerfoo.PNG

OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

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OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!!
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#42
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Blame-_-https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/472051290797768716/701042412751028315/siggerfoo.PNG

OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

WOW..... I can't believe sigafoo would say something like this. Quick, ban him, don't mention it to him and never let him adress this by blocking him.

[quote=Blame-_-][img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/472051290797768716/701042412751028315/siggerfoo.PNG[/img]

OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!![/quote]
WOW..... I can't believe sigafoo would say something like this. Quick, ban him, don't mention it to him and never let him adress this by blocking him.
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#43
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Remember that time someone pulled every bad word that has ever been said in a tf2 log, and organized the entire tf2 community from most hateful to least? That's clear proof of hate speech and I think everyone on that list should be banned.
This is not a joke sigafoo. Do the right thing. For the tf2 community. For b4nny.

Remember that time someone pulled every bad word that has ever been said in a tf2 log, and organized the entire tf2 community from most hateful to least? That's clear proof of hate speech and I think everyone on that list should be banned.
This is not a joke sigafoo. Do the right thing. For the tf2 community. For b4nny.
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#44
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Blame-_-https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/472051290797768716/701042412751028315/siggerfoo.PNG

OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!!

He cant keep getting away with it

[quote=Blame-_-][img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/472051290797768716/701042412751028315/siggerfoo.PNG[/img]

OMG!!!! THE PLOT THICKENS!!![/quote]

He cant keep getting away with it
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#45
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I don't really understand this ban or the ban that scratchh got back in January. We never got a reason for either of them or were shown the evidence that got him banned. In fact if it wasn't for the private dm report that we were notified of, none of us on spireiq would have had any idea that he was getting banned yesterday. As what got him banned was the report of the two logs shown. Now I'm not going to go into if what he said was offensive or not (in my opinion it very much isn't). But I will say I think it's incredibly stupid how rgl refuses to show us the evidence, refuses to let us know in advance that they were planning on banning scratchh, and refuses to even let us talk to them about it. Throughout this process I've had to bother the admins almost everyday to get any sort of information out of them, and they've flat out refused to discuss this with any of us. The other problem I see with this is the probation system. Scratchh was banned out of the blue back in early January, and after we got the ban removed he was placed on probation. From then to now he's been banned an exact zero times, but yet is still on probation. For over four months he attempted to behave himself and stay out of trouble just to get banned for 8 months because he was still on probation. There are no guidelines in rgl about probation, and it seems unjust to me that he can be kept in probation for an indefinite amount of time, and then hammered once he has a very minor screw up. If he had been taken off of probation before this, the ban would of been much lighter. All in all, I think the lack of transparency, the lack of guidelines around probation, and the weakness of the evidence should show that this ban is unjust, and seems to be based around the rgl admins disliking scratchh, and not because of genuine wrongdoing.

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Really? This thread again?
I don't really understand this ban or the ban that scratchh got back in January. We never got a reason for either of them or were shown the evidence that got him banned. In fact if it wasn't for the private dm report that we were notified of, none of us on spireiq would have had any idea that he was getting banned yesterday. As what got him banned was the report of the two logs shown. Now I'm not going to go into if what he said was offensive or not (in my opinion it very much isn't). But I will say I think it's incredibly stupid how rgl refuses to show us the evidence, refuses to let us know in advance that they were planning on banning scratchh, and refuses to even let us talk to them about it. Throughout this process I've had to bother the admins almost everyday to get any sort of information out of them, and they've flat out refused to discuss this with any of us. The other problem I see with this is the probation system. Scratchh was banned out of the blue back in early January, and after we got the ban removed he was placed on probation. From then to now he's been banned an exact zero times, but yet is still on probation. For over four months he attempted to behave himself and stay out of trouble just to get banned for 8 months because he was still on probation. There are no guidelines in rgl about probation, and it seems unjust to me that he can be kept in probation for an indefinite amount of time, and then hammered once he has a very minor screw up. If he had been taken off of probation before this, the ban would of been much lighter. All in all, I think the lack of transparency, the lack of guidelines around probation, and the weakness of the evidence should show that this ban is unjust, and seems to be based around the rgl admins disliking scratchh, and not because of genuine wrongdoing.



[spoiler]Really? This thread again?[/spoiler]
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#46
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/648/094/be6.jpg

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#47
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MRfunnyalienhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR0yp2788s

how did he get a girl to be in his video

[quote=MRfunnyalien][youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR0yp2788s[/youtube][/quote]
how did he get a girl to be in his video
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJKjiCtVco

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRJKjiCtVco[/youtube]
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#49
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open offer to rgl; prove that kuhnockers and phoxx were banned for any reason other than 'friends with people we dont like' and ill donate to the patreon for an entire year

open offer to rgl; prove that kuhnockers and phoxx were banned for any reason other than 'friends with people we dont like' and ill donate to the patreon for an entire year
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#50
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Hello, gentlefriends.
This thread was brought to my attention, and I saw fit to comment. First, let me explain my background and past involvement with "scratch". https://gyazo.com/4d30d22e92da5b202948db6dae1b1419
This was our first correspondence. Evidently, I responded to this message with confusion. Scratch had seen that we shared a discord friend and had sought me out. I was unaware of who he was or what his intentions were, but that quickly became clear. https://gyazo.com/c47e992f1036f3bd0a9881aa6ccaa249

Scratch added me on discord, and it became obvious that he was a vitriolic Chinese dissident, that abhorred all form of authority. We began to correspond regularly. His political opinions were shocking and surprising to me, but I must admit that lent them a certain allure. In my mind, I was constructing an image of Scratch that depicted him as a true hero of the people, stalwart and honest.

Fast forward to the present year, and while Scratch and I no longer regularly communicate, I would still say that we are friends. https://gyazo.com/5bbe66aa097423f7467c7e3568bcde73
As you can see, we are in two of the same steam groups. This is not a coincidence, I'll come back to this later.

After hearing of scratch's ban, I asked around to see if I could ascertain the truth of the matter. All manners of accusations were hurled at scratch, he was labeled a transphobe, a racist, a sexist, and worst of all, a hypocrite.https://gyazo.com/72f298e72b6605738f0d97c755cdd6a2

Now, let's get to the heart of the matter. Do I believe scratch is guilty? No. Do I believe he should be punished? Undoubtedly.

Thank you for allowing my input,
Mireal.

Hello, gentlefriends.
This thread was brought to my attention, and I saw fit to comment. First, let me explain my background and past involvement with "scratch". https://gyazo.com/4d30d22e92da5b202948db6dae1b1419
This was our first correspondence. Evidently, I responded to this message with confusion. Scratch had seen that we shared a discord friend and had sought me out. I was unaware of who he was or what his intentions were, but that quickly became clear. https://gyazo.com/c47e992f1036f3bd0a9881aa6ccaa249

Scratch added me on discord, and it became obvious that he was a vitriolic Chinese dissident, that abhorred all form of authority. We began to correspond regularly. His political opinions were shocking and surprising to me, but I must admit that lent them a certain allure. In my mind, I was constructing an image of Scratch that depicted him as a true hero of the people, stalwart and honest.

Fast forward to the present year, and while Scratch and I no longer regularly communicate, I would still say that we are friends. https://gyazo.com/5bbe66aa097423f7467c7e3568bcde73
As you can see, we are in two of the same steam groups. This is not a coincidence, I'll come back to this later.

After hearing of scratch's ban, I asked around to see if I could ascertain the truth of the matter. All manners of accusations were hurled at scratch, he was labeled a transphobe, a racist, a sexist, and worst of all, a hypocrite.https://gyazo.com/72f298e72b6605738f0d97c755cdd6a2

Now, let's get to the heart of the matter. Do I believe scratch is guilty? No. Do I believe he should be punished? Undoubtedly.

Thank you for allowing my input,
Mireal.
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#51
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LOL later

LOL later
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#52
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https://i.imgur.com/XDUSNRs.gif

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#53
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This does feel like RGL was just waiting for any excuse to throw scratch out of the community. If they're gonna ban the guy for the stuff he did back in the day just do that instead of putting him under a microscope for months and banning as soon as there's a small transgression. These threads are obviously getting old but I do hope that someday all this evidence can be compiled and given to sigafoo's therapist.

This does feel like RGL was just waiting for any excuse to throw scratch out of the community. If they're gonna ban the guy for the stuff he did back in the day just do that instead of putting him under a microscope for months and banning as soon as there's a small transgression. These threads are obviously getting old but I do hope that someday all this evidence can be compiled and given to sigafoo's therapist.
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#54
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segundoScratchh gets banned after calling a team "gay", meanwhile rocketking is somehow unscathed after maliciously dropping two consecutive n-bombs on aim's stream.

yeah can we talk about this real quick
https://clips.twitch.tv/WittyViscousJackalMingLee

clip deleted nvm it was just him dropping it on aims stream

rgl is just full of hypocrites =)

[quote=segundo]Scratchh gets banned after calling a team "gay", meanwhile rocketking is somehow unscathed after maliciously dropping two consecutive n-bombs on aim's stream.[/quote]
yeah can we talk about this real quick
https://clips.twitch.tv/WittyViscousJackalMingLee

clip deleted nvm it was just him dropping it on aims stream

rgl is just full of hypocrites =)
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#55
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Guys be careful. If we keep criticizing the league we may hurt b4nny's income

Guys be careful. If we keep criticizing the league we may hurt b4nny's income
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RGL.gg
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At the start of the year, we started to put players into a probation system. This system is intended for players, like scratch, who have a long history of harassment or who have been banned three or more times in RGL (scratch falls into both categories incidentally). Scratch’s first ban was for extremely excessive toxicity during a prolander cup and his next two bans were for ban evading using alt accounts. Scratch’s fourth ban was applied in the ban wave where we started to place players on probation. This ban was for when he made posts about calling in bomb threats to the BTS and RGL LAN venue. We removed that in agreement that he would turn a new leaf, and that his days of harassment and thoughtless actions / ’joking’ would be put behind him. Under normal circumstances, a player with this behavioral record would typically already be perma-banned. Second chances have been given to scratch on numerous occasions to stop being an asshole in our league for a very long time.

Most players inside of the league do not have consistent problems with toxicity, harassment, and hateful language. For those who do, we use our probation system. Players on probation are told under no uncertain circumstances that they will be held to a higher standard of behavior, and to be respectful to other members of the community. Our goal is to give players a chance to stop problematic behaviors, and create a system to remove them from the league if they don’t. Being a decent person is all that's being asked for, and it's a bar that isn’t very high to meet.

hhhwrdThough importantly this as wells raises the question to how RGL is poorly handling bans, everyone is blind to information other than the ones who report, as well as the one being accused. And the problem is RGL gives vague bans and doesnt explain anything and leaves people more confused then where they started in trying to find out what they actually did. As well as bans should not take a fucking week to be looked through.

It is very pretty uncommon that we get requests for information on the bans we make by the person who was banned, since a majority of the bans we make are for things that happened publically. When someone gets banned, they often do not need to ask to see what they did, because they already know. For the smaller percentage of cases that are from verified private reports. We keep that sensitive information private to help protect the victim who made the report.

So, I would say it is very uncommon with standard bans that players do not fully understand what they were banned for and the only time we withhold that information is when it is to protect the victim in the situation.

hhhwrdAs well as addressing truly how bans are being made, scratchs behavior isn't a problem as long as its not on RGLs platform

An issue we hope to avoid with players on probation is for the players in question to toe the line while inside of RGL’s platform, but continue to harass other players in every other context. This has proven to be a problem in the past, and has caused us to accept information taken from usually ignored sources in regards to players placed on probation. Our goal for players on probation is for them to be given a chance to change their behavior, that's why they are on probation and not just banned outright. This goal is rendered meaningless if a player doesn’t actually change their behavior and instead just hides it.

All that said though, even for players on probation, we do not really change our policies regarding bans from dms/twitch streams/etc. It is simply information we gather for a reference point when determining when to lift a players probationary period. This is also why I feel it's important to clarify scratch’s ban reasons as well, given how much wild misinformation people have extrapolated from the few messages I sent.

hhhwrdinfo for reasons people believe he was banned: logs / conversation

Your arguments are very centralized over scratch’s dms with ben, and you further spend a lot of time trying to discredit ben's report and liam's character. In truth, Ben’s report is only one of 6 reports made on scratch in the last 4 months and is a very minor part of why this ban was applied. For full transparency though, let's have a look at the dms included in ben's report.

Here is the conversation that happened between ben and scratchh, which was missing from the original post. Note that ben and scratchh have had no recent contact. The only time that ben and scratchh interacted, to his knowledge, is when he rang for his HL team a while ago. So, they do not know each other at all.

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So, scratchh instigates the conversation with a person he does not know. Scratch then calls the gay relationship "scary" and then tells this person he does not know they are a ‘disgusting freak’ for being in said gay relationship. Scratch initiated the conversation and went out of his way to say some rather nasty things, but this alone wasn’t the main focus of his ban. Instead, you should rather turn your attention towards the chat messages that scratch sent during the log you linked.

SCRATCHH im already erect and ive been ehre fo 30 seconds

SCRATCHH lol della says yikes
SCRATCHH hey della pres tab
SCRATCHH note the team ur on
SCRATCHH and dont speak :D

SCRATCHH GOOD MED PICK!!!
SCRATCHH LETS GO

SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠

SCRATCHH based esports black

SCRATCHH blacked

SCRATCHH desperate della
SCRATCHH keep shooting me

SCRATCHH just play sniper
SCRATCHH un
SCRATCHH you lost anyway

SCRATCHH LOL
SCRATCHH u suck
SCRATCHH dont ? me

SCRATCHH i fed into u and ur bming retard

SCRATCHH keep sniping
SCRATCHH youll hit one
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠

SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead

SCRATCHH i dont see gay people
SCRATCHH cant see ur whole team

SCRATCHH holy shit shut up
SCRATCHH good one
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH stop sniping
SCRATCHH so dumb

SCRATCHH holy shit
SCRATCHH you are so retarded

For context, many of the players on the team that scratch was scrimmaging are trans. The first message in this list was a message scratch sent upon reaction to seeing the team’s players, and is considered the worst offending message. On top of that, there are also messages where scratch is calling players retarded and gay, and a message very likely intended as a remark meant to make fun of players on the other team based on their trans identity (‘based esports black’). These chat logs are undeniably grounds for a player to be banned inside of RGL- so in this case the question was always regarding how long the ban would be applied for. What makes this ban such a long length is that scratch is on probation, receiving his fifth ban inside the league, has been receiving behavioral reports at least once a month since being put probation, and all of this has occurred after he already negotiated two prior ban lengths down under promises he wouldn’t be a problem inside of the community any longer.

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At the start of the year, we started to put players into a probation system. This system is intended for players, like scratch, who have a long history of harassment or who have been banned three or more times in RGL (scratch falls into both categories incidentally). Scratch’s first ban was for extremely excessive toxicity during a prolander cup and his next two bans were for ban evading using alt accounts. Scratch’s fourth ban was applied in the ban wave where we started to place players on probation. This ban was for when he made posts about calling in bomb threats to the BTS and RGL LAN venue. We removed that in agreement that he would turn a new leaf, and that his days of harassment and thoughtless actions / ’joking’ would be put behind him. Under normal circumstances, a player with this behavioral record would typically already be perma-banned. Second chances have been given to scratch on numerous occasions to stop being an asshole in our league for a very long time.

Most players inside of the league do not have consistent problems with toxicity, harassment, and hateful language. For those who do, we use our probation system. Players on probation are told under no uncertain circumstances that they will be held to a higher standard of behavior, and to be respectful to other members of the community. Our goal is to give players a chance to stop problematic behaviors, and create a system to remove them from the league if they don’t. Being a decent person is all that's being asked for, and it's a bar that isn’t very high to meet.

[quote=hhhwrd]Though importantly this as wells raises the question to how RGL is poorly handling bans, everyone is blind to information other than the ones who report, as well as the one being accused. And the problem is RGL gives vague bans and doesnt explain anything and leaves people more confused then where they started in trying to find out what they actually did. As well as bans should not take a fucking week to be looked through.[/quote]

It is very pretty uncommon that we get requests for information on the bans we make by the person who was banned, since a majority of the bans we make are for things that happened publically. When someone gets banned, they often do not need to ask to see what they did, because they already know. For the smaller percentage of cases that are from verified private reports. We keep that sensitive information private to help protect the victim who made the report.

So, I would say it is very uncommon with standard bans that players do not fully understand what they were banned for and the only time we withhold that information is when it is to protect the victim in the situation.

[quote=hhhwrd]As well as addressing truly how bans are being made, scratchs behavior isn't a problem as long as its not on RGLs platform[/quote]

An issue we hope to avoid with players on probation is for the players in question to toe the line while inside of RGL’s platform, but continue to harass other players in every other context. This has proven to be a problem in the past, and has caused us to accept information taken from usually ignored sources in regards to players placed on probation. Our goal for players on probation is for them to be given a chance to change their behavior, [i]that's why they are on probation and not just banned outright[/i]. This goal is rendered meaningless if a player doesn’t actually change their behavior and instead just hides it.

All that said though, even for players on probation, we do not really change our policies regarding bans from dms/twitch streams/etc. It is simply information we gather for a reference point when determining when to lift a players probationary period. This is also why I feel it's important to clarify scratch’s ban reasons as well, given how much wild misinformation people have extrapolated from the few messages I sent.

[quote=hhhwrd]info for reasons people believe he was banned: logs / conversation[/quote]

Your arguments are very centralized over scratch’s dms with ben, and you further spend a lot of time trying to discredit ben's report and liam's character. In truth, Ben’s report is only one of 6 reports made on scratch in the last 4 months and is a very minor part of why this ban was applied. For full transparency though, let's have a look at the dms included in ben's report.

Here is the conversation that happened between ben and scratchh, which was missing from the original post. Note that ben and scratchh have had no recent contact. The only time that ben and scratchh interacted, to his knowledge, is when he rang for his HL team a while ago. So, they do not know each other at all.

[url=https://i.imgur.com/yxr4wNp.png]Image[/url]

So, scratchh instigates the conversation with a person he does not know. Scratch then calls the gay relationship "scary" and then tells this person he does not know they are a ‘disgusting freak’ for being in said gay relationship. Scratch initiated the conversation and went out of his way to say some rather nasty things, but this alone wasn’t the main focus of his ban. Instead, you should rather turn your attention towards the chat messages that scratch sent during the log you linked.

SCRATCHH im already erect and ive been ehre fo 30 seconds

SCRATCHH lol della says yikes
SCRATCHH hey della pres tab
SCRATCHH note the team ur on
SCRATCHH and dont speak :D

SCRATCHH GOOD MED PICK!!!
SCRATCHH LETS GO

SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠

SCRATCHH based esports black

SCRATCHH blacked

SCRATCHH desperate della
SCRATCHH keep shooting me

SCRATCHH just play sniper
SCRATCHH un
SCRATCHH you lost anyway

SCRATCHH LOL
SCRATCHH u suck
SCRATCHH dont ? me

SCRATCHH i fed into u and ur bming retard

SCRATCHH keep sniping
SCRATCHH youll hit one
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠

SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead

SCRATCHH i dont see gay people
SCRATCHH cant see ur whole team

SCRATCHH holy shit shut up
SCRATCHH good one
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH *DEAD* TheBigWeiner : stay dead
SCRATCHH ٠●•۩۞۩[̲̅Ŋ̲̅σ̲̅σ̲̅Ь̲̲̅۰̲̅đ̲̲̅σ̲̅ώ̲̅ŋ̲̲̲]۩۞۩•●٠
SCRATCHH stop sniping
SCRATCHH so dumb

SCRATCHH holy shit
SCRATCHH you are so retarded

For context, many of the players on the team that scratch was scrimmaging are trans. The first message in this list was a message scratch sent upon reaction to seeing the team’s players, and is considered the worst offending message. On top of that, there are also messages where scratch is calling players retarded and gay, and a message very likely intended as a remark meant to make fun of players on the other team based on their trans identity (‘based esports black’). These chat logs are undeniably grounds for a player to be banned inside of RGL- so in this case the question was always regarding how long the ban would be applied for. What makes this ban such a long length is that scratch is on probation, receiving his [i]fifth[/i] ban inside the league, has been receiving behavioral reports at least once a month since being put probation, and all of this has occurred after he already negotiated two prior ban lengths down under promises he wouldn’t be a problem inside of the community any longer.

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#57
RGL.gg
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hhhwrdMuch of the conversation recently has been on the gxq group and the probation system is set in place for most if not all of those players to be eventually banned from truly nothing harmful. RGLs bans are not always correct or seem reasonable because most of them are not consistent. In my opinion RGL is struggling to truly be a great league, and banning people (for the amount they do) does not give your league more representation or at all allows it to flourish. In fact by banning scratch and safrix for the amount you did (3 months and 8 months) you killed two invite teams that could have played.

I hope that we do not have to ban anyone on the probation system. I would strongly prefer if all probation players could just be respectful towards each and not use bigoted language during scrims/matches as is the norm for the vast majority of our playerbase.

It is upsetting that the actions these players chose to take is going to have potential ripple effects among invite teams, but to avoid banning a player who has broken rules to help a team form is not a principle we wish to stand behind.

Captain_ChenThis is an absolutely terrible precedent to set. If you can be banned for unsportsmanlike conduct outside of the game, then the next step is people digging through Discord servers for naughty words and wrong opinions and tattling to the admins.

The things you describe are entirely different. Banning someone for spamming slurs in the meme discord, verses targeted homophobic harassment are very different. We have received reports for players saying slurs/other negative things in private Discords, where we have done nothing and have no interest in going to that level. When it turns to repeated targeted harassment, doxxing, etc… we begin to take action and log details.

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This whole situation is incredibly disheartening, especially to me personally. I have reduced scratchh’s longer bans a couple times when he was banned in the past. When he had the year long ban for multiple bomb threats, I was a proponent pushing for giving him a third chance in our league. I’ve talked to him multiple times over voice, including that night and I was very clear with what he needed to do: how his actions have been harmful to others, and how easy it is to move away from this.

I wanted him to succeed and I still do, but I don’t want any participation in the league to come at the cost of other users having to put up with blatant toxicity or players going out of their way to be hostile and harass others when interacting with people outside of their selective friend group. This concept applies equally to all players inside of the league, and seems to be a large area of misunderstanding in the community. Players do not get banned inside of RGL because our administration team holds personal vendettas towards them or their friends. Non-routine RGL bans are never applied by a single person, and meetings are held on a regular basis where multiple people weigh their thoughts and opinions regarding all league-wide decisions. We do this to ensure that situations are handled properly and that single administrators aren't able to make decisions without the verification and approval of others.

We cannot police behavior everywhere, nor would we want to if we could. I think that ideally, players inside of our league would treat each other with the same respect online as they would on LAN or face to face. We want our players to avoid saying bigoted language while playing in competitive tf2 settings that could be related to RGL, and we want our players to be free of targetted harrassment from others who play in the league. I think most can agree that these goals are reasonable, and almost all of the players who play in the league have little trouble naturally maintaining those standards of behavior.

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[quote=hhhwrd]Much of the conversation recently has been on the gxq group and the probation system is set in place for most if not all of those players to be eventually banned from truly nothing harmful. RGLs bans are not always correct or seem reasonable because most of them are not consistent. In my opinion RGL is struggling to truly be a great league, and banning people (for the amount they do) does not give your league more representation or at all allows it to flourish. In fact by banning scratch and safrix for the amount you did (3 months and 8 months) you killed two invite teams that could have played.[/quote]

I hope that we do not have to ban anyone on the probation system. I would strongly prefer if all probation players could just be respectful towards each and not use bigoted language during scrims/matches as is the norm for the vast majority of our playerbase.

It is upsetting that the actions these players chose to take is going to have potential ripple effects among invite teams, but to avoid banning a player who has broken rules to help a team form is not a principle we wish to stand behind.

[quote=Captain_Chen]This is an absolutely terrible precedent to set. If you can be banned for unsportsmanlike conduct outside of the game, then the next step is people digging through Discord servers for naughty words and wrong opinions and tattling to the admins.[/quote]

The things you describe are entirely different. Banning someone for spamming slurs in the meme discord, verses targeted homophobic harassment are very different. We have received reports for players saying slurs/other negative things in private Discords, where we have done nothing and have no interest in going to that level. When it turns to repeated targeted harassment, doxxing, etc… we begin to take action and log details.

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This whole situation is incredibly disheartening, especially to me personally. I have reduced scratchh’s longer bans a couple times when he was banned in the past. When he had the year long ban for multiple bomb threats, I was a proponent pushing for giving him a third chance in our league. I’ve talked to him multiple times over voice, including that night and I was very clear with what he needed to do: how his actions have been harmful to others, and how easy it is to move away from this.

I wanted him to succeed and I still do, but I don’t want any participation in the league to come at the cost of other users having to put up with blatant toxicity or players going out of their way to be hostile and harass others when interacting with people outside of their selective friend group. This concept applies equally to all players inside of the league, and seems to be a large area of misunderstanding in the community. Players do not get banned inside of RGL because our administration team holds personal vendettas towards them or their friends. Non-routine RGL bans are [b]never[/b] applied by a single person, and meetings are held on a regular basis where multiple people weigh their thoughts and opinions regarding all league-wide decisions. We do this to ensure that situations are handled properly and that single administrators aren't able to make decisions without the verification and approval of others.

We cannot police behavior everywhere, nor would we want to if we could. I think that ideally, players inside of our league would treat each other with the same respect online as they would on LAN or face to face. We want our players to avoid saying bigoted language while playing in competitive tf2 settings that could be related to RGL, and we want our players to be free of targetted harrassment from others who play in the league. I think most can agree that these goals are reasonable, and almost all of the players who play in the league have little trouble naturally maintaining those standards of behavior.

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#58
14 Frags +

"Lil B said. I'm gay. Wait? I'm Gay? Swag! Swag Swag Swag! Cool meat!"

"Lil B said. I'm gay. Wait? I'm Gay? Swag! Swag Swag Swag! Cool meat!"
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#59
16 Frags +

sigafoo more like oofagis lmao lol

sigafoo more like oofagis lmao lol
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#60
21 Frags +
sigafooscrimmaging

this made me laugh a lot idk why

[quote=sigafoo]scrimmaging[/quote]
this made me laugh a lot idk why
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