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#61
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ShounicPavane aka crp / creep - he was at one of the older i-series and was on the failed i-series team mentioned above. coaching nyxl

holy heck creep was such a bro at i55. I was fucking speechless when he said he came flew by himseld I was like wtf bro? You flew all the way to fucking Coventry to spend time in a fucking tent.

[quote=Shounic]
Pavane aka crp / creep - he was at one of the older i-series and was on the failed i-series team mentioned above. coaching nyxl
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holy heck creep was such a bro at i55. I was fucking speechless when he said he came flew by himseld I was like wtf bro? You flew all the way to fucking Coventry to spend time in a fucking tent.
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#62
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HildrethsacHildrethgemmgo London Spitfires (don't recognise any of those players but im glad i have a physical location to tie the team to that i am connected to thanks OWL administrators)
Glad to follow my local team (all players are from a country 6000 miles away btw).
Ah yes just like Chelsea and Mann United are running with mostly brits right. better players give better results which in turn boosts the teams prestige and income.

This has nothing to do with OWL but will correct you anyway.

Chelsea and Manchester United like most football teams have a century old history and heritage, they are built around their locxl communities and though their global brand and success has given them a new far reaching audience, the core of their fanbase is geographically built from generation to generation. When these teams formed back in the 1800s up to before TV took English Football to new heights in in the 60s, each team represented their local community with majority of players being local and homegrown from their youth teams, hence the development in the fanbase being focused on locality.

The Premier League was formed in 1992 to better tap into the huge potential for TV rights and increased revenues which in turn led to the global spread of the Premier League. It was not formed for teams to get better results and players and results (English teams pre Premier League era and pre Heysel Disaster ban we very successful in Europe), it was purely financially motivated but as a result over time has attracted better players due to higher wages and also the increased competition.

Even today the core fanbases of Football clubs will be bred from historical following based on locality. British players have less to do with it than long established heritage.

This is why I think the idea of franchises will not be successful if they just take the London team fill it with Koreans and Americans nost of whom probably have no idea what a Spitfire was, they cannot expect people to connect with the team on a geographical scale which was the purpose of setting up the OWL in this manner.

Plus the game is really fucking confusing and shite anyway.

when you bring out a league in 2018 for a game which duration only will last ten years, you cannot have the same organic process happening which took over half a century at the least. How would you want to achieve that locality without sponsors?? Hey if you cough up 20 million lol and make ur brit org and compete and win with the best go for it. Yea thats what i thought. How can you be this deluded to think you can have such massive amounts of money and players from across the globe participating and yet retain everything that binded a club and its supporters together?
And how shallow is it to think if you replace everyone but keep the logo and title it somehow are still 'yer local boys".
Face it, football clubs are globalised as well and are vehicles of prestige and thats why they invest these large sums to get players from across the world and win things, and fuck your local club culture.

https://www.ft.com/content/834f2a5c-7eb2-11e7-ab01-a13271d1ee9c

competive overwatch in ten yearsMontague attempts to emulate this model. His focus is the entry of super-rich individuals into the ownership of English Premier League football clubs. Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich set the pattern in 2003 with the purchase of Chelsea FC.

Since then, foreign owners have taken control of many teams including Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family in the United Arab Emirates, at Manchester City, and John Henry from the US, who made his fortune as a commodities trader and is best known for purchasing the Boston Red Sox baseball team, at Liverpool. The diverse international origins of these owners allow Montague to discuss developments in eastern Europe, the US, Asia and the Middle East.

Most billionaires who buy football clubs are not motivated by the hope of a direct financial gain, they say. Abramovich, for example, described it as a hobby in a BBC interview on the subject in 2003. “No, it’s not about making money. I have many much less risky ways of making money than this. I don’t want to throw my money away, but it’s really about having fun and that means success and trophies.”

The main exceptions to the rule about money being secondary are American. The Glazer family’s purchase of Manchester United, John Henry’s of Liverpool and Stan Kroenke’s acquisition of a large stake in Arsenal were all commercially driven, they say. Another thing they all have in common is the ownership of US sports franchises.

Dont bitch about the retarded league system in overwatch when in football you have the same shit but all the long time supporters act like little bitches about it, and dont mind every bit what makes their club unique or theirs, in favour of letting the billionaire in charge pump money to buy the hottest 13 y old african talent and import them in for 30 million.
A Fat tv viewership deal and merchandise sale to 500 million people market is more important to then than paying attention to their little traditional circle of pea- supporters who will cough up their money anyways for shitty expensive season subscriptions "Long established heritage" more like getting buttfucked like daddy and granddaddy cuz we need ur undying loyalty in this simulation of tribal conflict right You could have been talking about a dozen other sports to build a better argument around but instead its football where the line "OH YEA I LOVE WATCHING PLAYERS FROM 6000 MILES AWAY" applies the most. Does it matter then that a team of koreans play for something with london in it? No becuase if they would be champions for three seasons u would go OUR BOYS. Thats how dumb football supporters are.

But hey at least in the end we can both agree that its a pile of trash i wont bother watching anyway (OW that is)

[quote=Hildreth][quote=sac][quote=Hildreth][quote=gemm]go London Spitfires (don't recognise any of those players but im glad i have a physical location to tie the team to that i am connected to thanks OWL administrators)[/quote]

Glad to follow my local team (all players are from a country 6000 miles away btw).[/quote]
Ah yes just like Chelsea and Mann United are running with mostly brits right. better players give better results which in turn boosts the teams prestige and income.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with OWL but will correct you anyway.

Chelsea and Manchester United like most football teams have a century old history and heritage, they are built around their locxl communities and though their global brand and success has given them a new far reaching audience, the core of their fanbase is geographically built from generation to generation. When these teams formed back in the 1800s up to before TV took English Football to new heights in in the 60s, each team represented their local community with majority of players being local and homegrown from their youth teams, hence the development in the fanbase being focused on locality.

The Premier League was formed in 1992 to better tap into the huge potential for TV rights and increased revenues which in turn led to the global spread of the Premier League. It was not formed for teams to get better results and players and results (English teams pre Premier League era and pre Heysel Disaster ban we very successful in Europe), it was purely financially motivated but as a result over time has attracted better players due to higher wages and also the increased competition.

Even today the core fanbases of Football clubs will be bred from historical following based on locality. British players have less to do with it than long established heritage.

This is why I think the idea of franchises will not be successful if they just take the London team fill it with Koreans and Americans nost of whom probably have no idea what a Spitfire was, they cannot expect people to connect with the team on a geographical scale which was the purpose of setting up the OWL in this manner.


Plus the game is really fucking confusing and shite anyway.[/quote]

when you bring out a league in 2018 for a game which duration only will last ten years, you cannot have the same organic process happening which took over half a century at the least. How would you want to achieve that locality without sponsors?? Hey if you cough up 20 million lol and make ur brit org and compete and win with the best go for it. Yea thats what i thought. How can you be this deluded to think you can have such massive amounts of money and players from across the globe participating and yet retain everything that binded a club and its supporters together?
And how shallow is it to think if you replace everyone but keep the logo and title it somehow are still 'yer local boys".
Face it, football clubs are globalised as well and are vehicles of prestige and thats why they invest these large sums to get players from across the world and win things, and fuck your local club culture.

https://www.ft.com/content/834f2a5c-7eb2-11e7-ab01-a13271d1ee9c

[quote=competive overwatch in ten years]Montague attempts to emulate this model. His focus is the entry of super-rich individuals into the ownership of English Premier League football clubs. Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich set the pattern in 2003 with the purchase of Chelsea FC.

Since then, foreign owners have taken control of many teams including Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family in the United Arab Emirates, at Manchester City, and John Henry from the US, who made his fortune as a commodities trader and is best known for purchasing the Boston Red Sox baseball team, at Liverpool. The diverse international origins of these owners allow Montague to discuss developments in eastern Europe, the US, Asia and the Middle East.

Most billionaires who buy football clubs are not motivated by the hope of a direct financial gain, they say. Abramovich, for example, described it as a hobby in a BBC interview on the subject in 2003. “No, it’s not about making money. I have many much less risky ways of making money than this. I don’t want to throw my money away, but it’s really about having fun and that means success and trophies.”

The main exceptions to the rule about money being secondary are American. The Glazer family’s purchase of Manchester United, John Henry’s of Liverpool and Stan Kroenke’s acquisition of a large stake in Arsenal were all commercially driven, they say. Another thing they all have in common is the ownership of US sports franchises.

[/quote]

Dont bitch about the retarded league system in overwatch when in football you have the same shit but all the long time supporters act like little bitches about it, and dont mind every bit what makes their club unique or theirs, in favour of letting the billionaire in charge pump money to buy the hottest 13 y old african talent and import them in for 30 million.
A Fat tv viewership deal and merchandise sale to 500 million people market is more important to then than paying attention to their little traditional circle of pea- supporters who will cough up their money anyways for shitty expensive season subscriptions "Long established heritage" more like getting buttfucked like daddy and granddaddy cuz we need ur undying loyalty in this simulation of tribal conflict right You could have been talking about a dozen other sports to build a better argument around but instead its football where the line "OH YEA I LOVE WATCHING PLAYERS FROM 6000 MILES AWAY" applies the most. Does it matter then that a team of koreans play for something with london in it? No becuase if they would be champions for three seasons u would go OUR BOYS. Thats how dumb football supporters are.


But hey at least in the end we can both agree that its a pile of trash i wont bother watching anyway (OW that is)
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#63
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triggered

triggered
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#64
4 Frags +

I didn't see it in the thread yet so I dunno if you guys saw but NY Excelsior subbed in Pine (who played Korean Highlander Sniper iirc) for a bit and he kinda went ham.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ModernAmericanCrocodileBudBlast

I didn't see it in the thread yet so I dunno if you guys saw but NY Excelsior subbed in Pine (who played Korean Highlander Sniper iirc) for a bit and he kinda went ham.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ModernAmericanCrocodileBudBlast
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#65
8 Frags +

I personally just dislike the loctaional franchise Idea entirely. To me, it just seems like new players won't be able to get as much viewership/recognition because the only show time & focus will go to the teams already in the league. (Unless Blizzard expands it and adds more teams, which may happen)

For example, the Huston outlaws' twitter says "@OpTicGaming's Official @OverwatchLeague Franchise". Why not just have Optic in the league?

I mean, look at counter strike. No official location based teams in each tournament (except maybe "detroit" renegades lul), and there are new teams entering each major. They even have qualifiers for each region, allowing many players from the same area to represent their location. Obviously, most newer teams don't go that far in the tournament, but they still the major exposure in front of millions around the world as well as some revenue for the org.

Obvioiusly, valve isn't a complete saint in this category. Blizzard has them, support-for-their-games wise, at least, but it just seems blizzard is being very controlling and forceful.

I personally just dislike the loctaional franchise Idea entirely. To me, it just seems like new players won't be able to get as much viewership/recognition because the only show time & focus will go to the teams already in the league. (Unless Blizzard expands it and adds more teams, which may happen)

For example, the Huston outlaws' twitter says "@OpTicGaming's Official @OverwatchLeague Franchise". Why not just have Optic in the league?

I mean, look at counter strike. No official location based teams in each tournament (except maybe "detroit" renegades lul), and there are new teams entering each major. They even have qualifiers for each region, allowing many players from the same area to represent their location. Obviously, most newer teams don't go that far in the tournament, but they still the major exposure in front of millions around the world as well as some revenue for the org.

Obvioiusly, valve isn't a complete saint in this category. Blizzard has them, support-for-their-games wise, at least, but it just seems blizzard is being very controlling and forceful.
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#66
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that's what the contenders division is for

that's what the contenders division is for
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LuL Sac ofc football clubs are globalized and commercialized today but that is not why people support their football team. You're making the example as a way of criticizing people for not wanting to follow their "local team" that we should because football is the same when English football clubs all have a heritage and connection with their local communities, sons bring their fathers to games, my Dad got me into football and supporting my team and I don't follow my team because they are successful but because they are my team.

Franchises will never have the same appeal to people from Britain than they will do Americans, even if the London Spitfires won everything I couldn't care less, they have zero connection to my locality, my country. If they want to attract a fanbase based on locality they should tried recruiting at least one British player and made him the face of the team, to me that just seems like a good PR move, because like it or not people connect more to people of the same nationality when they're looking for someone to follow.

And this rhetoric attacking football supporters sounds like you got some issue with the modern workings of football and how supporters act, luckily for me none of it has anything to do with my point so I can dismiss it and sleep well.

LuL Sac ofc football clubs are globalized and commercialized today but that is not why people support their football team. You're making the example as a way of criticizing people for not wanting to follow their "local team" that we should because football is the same when English football clubs all have a heritage and connection with their local communities, sons bring their fathers to games, my Dad got me into football and supporting my team and I don't follow my team because they are successful but because they are my team.

Franchises will never have the same appeal to people from Britain than they will do Americans, even if the London Spitfires won everything I couldn't care less, they have zero connection to my locality, my country. If they want to attract a fanbase based on locality they should tried recruiting at least one British player and made him the face of the team, to me that just seems like a good PR move, because like it or not people connect more to people of the same nationality when they're looking for someone to follow.

And this rhetoric attacking football supporters sounds like you got some issue with the modern workings of football and how supporters act, luckily for me none of it has anything to do with my point so I can dismiss it and sleep well.
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#68
34 Frags +

what up nerds

http://i.imgur.com/n9wuumU.jpg

what up nerds

[img]http://i.imgur.com/n9wuumU.jpg[/img]
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#69
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HildrethLuL Sac ofc football clubs are globalized and commercialized today but that is not why people support their football team. You're making the example as a way of criticizing people for not wanting to follow their "local team" that we should because football is the same when English football clubs all have a heritage and connection with their local communities, sons bring their fathers to games, my Dad got me into football and supporting my team and I don't follow my team because they are successful but because they are my team.

Franchises will never have the same appeal to people from Britain than they will do Americans, even if the London Spitfires won everything I couldn't care less, they have zero connection to my locality, my country. If they want to attract a fanbase based on locality they should tried recruiting at least one British player and made him the face of the team, to me that just seems like a good PR move, because like it or not people connect more to people of the same nationality when they're looking for someone to follow.

And this rhetoric attacking football supporters sounds like you got some issue with the modern workings of football and how supporters act, luckily for me none of it has anything to do with my point so I can dismiss it and sleep well.

you want your dad to take you to the overwatch game?
i get your point but im saying that in this circumstance those expectations are way too old fashioned and not in touch with the reality in this global scene. and oh yes i hate modern football ive seen many poeple switch their allegiance to chelsea after the Abamovitch takeover and you seem to forget that a club will care more about a half billion foreigners buying their merch and watching their games than the 10 00 000 in the local store.Yes i hate modern football with its fraud, hooligans, nepotism, importing people and discarding them and the massive influx of money and it just seems like another way to keep the idiots entertained has gone very wrong, several countries have had their governments pumping billions in the clubs just for the prestige, while others have to dealing with failings because lack of budget.

[quote=Hildreth]LuL Sac ofc football clubs are globalized and commercialized today but that is not why people support their football team. You're making the example as a way of criticizing people for not wanting to follow their "local team" that we should because football is the same when English football clubs all have a heritage and connection with their local communities, sons bring their fathers to games, my Dad got me into football and supporting my team and I don't follow my team because they are successful but because they are my team.

Franchises will never have the same appeal to people from Britain than they will do Americans, even if the London Spitfires won everything I couldn't care less, they have zero connection to my locality, my country. If they want to attract a fanbase based on locality they should tried recruiting at least one British player and made him the face of the team, to me that just seems like a good PR move, because like it or not people connect more to people of the same nationality when they're looking for someone to follow.

And this rhetoric attacking football supporters sounds like you got some issue with the modern workings of football and how supporters act, luckily for me none of it has anything to do with my point so I can dismiss it and sleep well.[/quote]
you want your dad to take you to the overwatch game?
i get your point but im saying that in this circumstance those expectations are way too old fashioned and not in touch with the reality in this global scene. and oh yes i hate modern football ive seen many poeple switch their allegiance to chelsea after the Abamovitch takeover and you seem to forget that a club will care more about a half billion foreigners buying their merch and watching their games than the 10 00 000 in the local store.Yes i hate modern football with its fraud, hooligans, nepotism, importing people and discarding them and the massive influx of money and it just seems like another way to keep the idiots entertained has gone very wrong, several countries have had their governments pumping billions in the clubs just for the prestige, while others have to dealing with failings because lack of budget.
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#70
-3 Frags +

u ok sac?

u ok sac?
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#71
-2 Frags +

no every day i read about scandals involving local politics and football, and I wish it didnt exist in the way it does now, hence i vented my rant, becuase apparantly its the new normal.

no every day i read about scandals involving local politics and football, and I wish it didnt exist in the way it does now, hence i vented my rant, becuase apparantly its the new normal.
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#72
16 Frags +

i hate whgen mcdonalds remove mcrib

i hate whgen mcdonalds remove mcrib
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#73
9 Frags +

The production of the stream is amazing and really professional, but watching the teams have at it during a match makes me wanna stab my eyes out. The combat makes Competitive TF2's mid-fights look like regular Matchmaking in CS:GO

The production of the stream is amazing and really professional, but watching the teams have at it during a match makes me wanna stab my eyes out. The combat makes Competitive TF2's mid-fights look like regular Matchmaking in CS:GO
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#74
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Idk if anyone saw the game between outlaws and the uprising, But I was intense! glad to see the outlaws move into the stage 1 playoffs and seed #2!

anyway my predictions for stage one are

1. New York Excelsior
2. Houston Outlaws
3. London Spitfire
4. Los Angeles Valiant

Idk if anyone saw the game between outlaws and the uprising, But I was intense! glad to see the outlaws move into the stage 1 playoffs and seed #2!

anyway my predictions for stage one are

1. New York Excelsior
2. Houston Outlaws
3. London Spitfire
4. Los Angeles Valiant
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#75
-1 Frags +

go yankees!

go yankees!
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#76
1 Frags +
CorunsonIdk if anyone saw the game between outlaws and the uprising, But I was intense! glad to see the outlaws move into the stage 1 playoffs and seed #2!

anyway my predictions for stage one are

1. New York Excelsior
2. Houston Outlaws
3. London Spitfire
4. Los Angeles Valiant

LAV 4th is guaranteed only 1/2/3 play title matches
i agree with your preds tho

[quote=Corunson]Idk if anyone saw the game between outlaws and the uprising, But I was intense! glad to see the outlaws move into the stage 1 playoffs and seed #2!

anyway my predictions for stage one are

1. New York Excelsior
2. Houston Outlaws
3. London Spitfire
4. Los Angeles Valiant[/quote]
LAV 4th is guaranteed only 1/2/3 play title matches
i agree with your preds tho
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#77
3 Frags +

Anyone going to the grand finals in Brooklyn this weekend?

Anyone going to the grand finals in Brooklyn this weekend?
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#78
0 Frags +
rangaAnyone going to the grand finals in Brooklyn this weekend?

I know snivy is there but I'm unsure about anybody else

[quote=ranga]Anyone going to the grand finals in Brooklyn this weekend?[/quote]
I know snivy is there but I'm unsure about anybody else
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#79
22 Frags +

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292674309661523968/472542677511176192/unknown.png

These unbelievably stupid British clowns made it I'm so proud of our idiots

It's been fun to see how far our players got in the league overall. It's a little rough that players I thought would have done well aren't doing as well anymore, but I can only hope it's worth the struggle for them!

[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/292674309661523968/472542677511176192/unknown.png[/img]These unbelievably stupid British clowns made it I'm so proud of our idiots

It's been fun to see how far our players got in the league overall. It's a little rough that players I thought would have done well aren't doing as well anymore, but I can only hope it's worth the struggle for them!
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#80
1 Frags +

Any Londoners heading to Server in Shepherds Bush to watch the end of the finals tomorrow? Hearing it's gonna be a party.

Any Londoners heading to Server in Shepherds Bush to watch the end of the finals tomorrow? Hearing it's gonna be a party.
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#81
-1 Frags +

Is it just me, but did London get overtime after they exhausted their time on the stopwatch. Could they have theoretically won the game with a longer time? If so, that's actually retarted...

Is it just me, but did London get overtime after they exhausted their time on the stopwatch. Could they have theoretically won the game with a longer time? If so, that's actually retarted...
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#82
21 Frags +

Sideshow on ESPN what world am I living in?

Sideshow on ESPN what world am I living in?
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#83
37 Frags +

<3

<3
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#84
14 Frags +

im actually kinda speechless

https://clips.twitch.tv/BelovedFineSpiderLeeroyJenkins

im actually kinda speechless

https://clips.twitch.tv/BelovedFineSpiderLeeroyJenkins
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#85
0 Frags +

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1023322198847746054

ITS COMING HOME

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1023322198847746054

ITS COMING HOME
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#86
3 Frags +

Second season starting today, first match is philly vs london which sucks cause I was looking forward to that match but turns out shadowburn is now playing for paris.

Outlaws are still my favorite team to win still

Second season starting today, first match is philly vs london which sucks cause I was looking forward to that match but turns out shadowburn is now playing for paris.

Outlaws are still my favorite team to win still
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#87
2 Frags +

shadowburn would never be starter for philly anyways

shadowburn would never be starter for philly anyways
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#88
0 Frags +

blase (formerly known as jeff) is playing on stream rn

blase (formerly known as jeff) is playing on stream rn
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