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#1 Head Cavers refresh with Paulsen, drop HERTZ in News

CRIKEY

posted 3 months ago
#41 Redeye thinks TF2 should be an esport in TF2 General Discussion

I really debated whether I should post here since I haven't been around for years, and a lot has changed for me since (I also barely follow anything anymore lol), but I'll be honest, Jeff, it makes me pretty annoyed that you're in denial of how much Valve's influence could help in current era TF2 (which I'm spanning from the time I was still involved, around 2013, to current times). And I think you know me well enough that I'm not going to respond with bullshit (at least not intentionally). I hope not. If I am, I absolutely should be called out on it.

TLDR: nerd essay on why eXtine is wrong and what I want him to ACTUALLY do

eXtineI still think the community isn't interfacing with Valve correctly and that we can still create better relationships with them that could lead to something like a compendium eventually.

What SHOULD be the way the community "interfaces" with Valve? In all my years of randomly checking the forums and seeing you and b4nny post about this subject, neither of you have EVER elaborated what these exact steps are. I don't think people here are unwilling to engage Valve. If you look at the patterns of how people respond to anything related to Valve, it tells me that Valve has not made clear how to communicate. The onus of opening communication is not on the community. It's on Valve. As someone who works a job with a lot of high stakes customers, and communicates fairly often with them (and with other employees), we lay out and make open a very clear way of communicating with us. Hell, we have MULTIPLE ways of that, and we accommodate all of it. I don't know if you're basing what you know off of the meeting we had way back when, but, I don't remember them ever discussing how we can keep a line of communication going. Do you? Or did you just make that up based on speculation?

Can you imagine if a customer you were serving in a restaurant was dissatisfied (in an extremely noticeable way), and then you just sat there and did literally nothing? That's what the Valve + competitive community relationship looks like to me right now.

I do agree with you, though, that the Valve boat hasn't sailed. I just think they're not making the right decisions, or have decided (actively or passively) that it's not worth it to advance things. That, or we'll see said advancements in a way that's not directly related to TF2 (e.g. TF3).

eXtineIf your answer to the question of why TF2 didn't take off as an esport is "Valve's fault" you're not looking at the issue deeply enough.

I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying, but, do you wanna elaborate? Sitting on a high horse like that isn't going to win you points in this community. Evidence and deductive reasoning will (and good shitposts). The thing is, even if it's not their fault, Valve is the one in the position of power and influence, and has been this whole time. They're the ones with the power to make unlock balance changes, bug fixes, map fixes, map inclusion, etc. I'm really loving the fact that there's a pro-mod that's starting to gain legit support AND is making legitimate fixes. While I was still active, and there were only discussions of adopting a pro-mod, I actually was against it (but I never posted about it, that I remember; I didn't feel that strongly, and at the time, the closest pro-mod existing was through minor options in TFTrue), but not too long after I stopped being active, I changed my mind. Valve doesn't even really care about the pub experience, either, let's be honest. At this point in time, it looks like they're doing the minimum to keep a safe, steady playerbase. From what I can tell, they're not interested in sinking even a moderate amount of dev time, much less towards anything more serious than that. What I'm thinking is that they see development targeted at competitive support as high risk AND long term. I don't think either of those estimates are accurate, but this is speculation on my part. Maybe they're right, since they have insider info. But also, maybe they're wrong, because they're still humans who are speculating on the future and can make mistakes. Maybe they just don't feel like doing it.

Also, whatever happened to your anti-banned item stance? Way back when, you were ALL about "adapting" to Valve's item balance and allowing all unlocks. Has that changed? I didn't expect you to advocate for a pro-mod, given what stances you've held in the past. Anyways, piggy backing off of the previous point, I think you should explain what the community could do and advocate for those changes. But if you don't have any concrete actions for the community to act upon, then you're either seeing specters or being unclear. Either way isn't good for advancing the overall goals of doing more for Valve.

My own "controversial" opinion is that I would've loved to have seen more maps and game modes in the map rotation. Another KotH map to complement Viaduct Pro, and a new map to successfully replace Gravel Pit. Something like that. And probably some other stuff, but those were probably the biggest impact that I held an opinion on.

eXtineWe need to continue to focus on growing the fundamentals of the competitive community, stuff like infrastructure (volunteers, admins, leagues/websites), media (Producers, Casters, Streamers, tf2bers), and events (LANs/Tournaments/Pug nights/Newbie MiX).

I agree with you on this, but I don't think you're seeing the entire picture around what you're saying objectively. Growth in the community's infrastructure CAN'T be the only thing that's necessary for Valve to give a shit. It'll take too long and we'll all be retired from every game ever (AKA dead) by the point that we see metaphorical returns, if at all. And the question of how to grow that fundamental infrastructure has a complex answer. On top of that, TF2 looking like it's on the gaming population's backburner is an uphill battle to developing that infrastructure. With a relatively small audience, there's less incentive to invest the time to volunteer/admin/produce besides growing a love of the game (which can only keep you going for so long, as I found out). I don't entirely know what the right answers are to that question, but the status quo is (and has been for a long time) incredibly dangerous for that infrastructure. These league sign ups are most likely correlated to COVID-19, you can't count on the same numbers happening the next seasons. I've seen the cycle of abysmal to massive back to abysmal ESEA team counts even in my relatively short time of being active.

On top of that, maintaining and growing the producer/caster/etc. count is an insane challenge. American network infrastructure still sucks ass except in specific areas/cases, the scheduling logistics are all or nothing (being on the west coast, you definitely get what I mean), and, of course, as we saw last year, that shit can go nuclear at pretty much any moment. When I was admin for TFTV streams, I was CONSTANTLY recruiting producers, backup producers, AND backup to the backup producers. I frequently ran into situations where I had to call in backups. The other issue is that the competitive population is relatively young. They, most likely, haven't seen what a constructive environment can do not just for themselves but for the community as a whole. Creating and making sure that environment keeps up is a whole challenge by itself, for sure. And, just for reference, I definitely didn't know what one looked like, nor how to create it, back then. Can't say I do, now, as a "grown-ass" adult. It's a complicated question.

I really wish I could have. I most likely could have prevented the situation last year, among other things.

Anyways, sorry for the slam post, Jeff. Hope I can make a trip to Portland after the pandemic is over and hang out with you.

posted 4 months ago
#157 BTS TF2 insanity in TF2 General Discussion

hey guys when can i start the purge

posted 11 months ago
#3 Whats the fastest a thread has ever been dumpsterd in The Dumpster

< 1 minute.

posted about 2 years ago
#16 V!s hate thread in The Dumpster
SpaceNovadont dumpster this idiots

fuck you i'll do what i want

posted about 2 years ago
#21 Cant join TF.TV discord??? in TF2 General Discussion
sageits the heat of the moment, i like to see whos looking for a match and im mad that im banned and can no longer do it

Why don't you go think about who or what you're actually mad at instead of just bitching at the admins?

posted about 2 years ago
#37 neetgear.net in TF2 General Discussion

If you're buying from the site, consider mentioning teamfortress.tv in the order notes; it'd be pretty funny if they legitimately start noticing how many people are ordering because of this thread. I'm going to do it (because what else would I put there anyways).

posted about 2 years ago
#10 What ever happened to arena respawn? in TF2 General Discussion

it didn't respawn

posted about 2 years ago
#67 rewind 2 shoutouts in TF2 General Discussion

Shout out to everyone who thinks I'm old school........I'm definitely not. LOL.

posted about 2 years ago
#3 So I really can just walk into Rewind to spectate? in TF2 General Discussion

Yes, cu@ my man.

posted about 2 years ago
#11 Want to try casting? in TF2 General Discussion
MR_SLINI nominate rocketking

i nominate slin

posted about 2 years ago
#57 Danish upcoming lan? in LAN Discussion

Stinson...buddy...why'd you have to do this? Now I HAVE to slam this post. I have respect for what you do, and hey, if we're ever at the same event, drinks on me, but, I'm calling out what you said.

Stinson_OutAm I the only one who is happy about the fact that there is yet another TF2 event? As Toast said, people who preferingly play Highlander come to 6v6 LANs regardless because they want to hang out with their friends that they play with online week in and week out. Why cant it be the other way round?

Yes, you are literally the only person in this whole world who's happy about it.

Of course not. Acting like a martyr in this post is not going to help your case, especially when you contradict yourself.

Stinson_OutI have honestly never wondered what gamemode is being played at a LAN when considering to attend. Logistics, accommodation, and in the end budget was always a far more important concern. I love TF2 and I couldnt care less if I am playing 9v9 or 6v6., LANs are awesome! Cu@!

Haha, if you actually care about logistics, accommodations, and budget, then 9v9 is out of question. Mathematically, it doesn't add up to be cheaper. You can't be for 9v9 AND logistics. At this point in time, they're at odds with each other. Choose one, and be honest about it. Stop lying to yourself.

People here express their dislike of a 9v9 centric LAN (I don't, for the record; it's irrelevant to me), but, I don't think anyone but the most vocal would straight up DENY 9v9 players having a LAN. That's quite an extreme position to take, in my view.

Stinson_OutMy body is ready for the shit and the downfrags I am about to get for this.

Sure, and deservedly so. But, it's because you're just ignoring the truth. Don't martyr yourself on this one.

posted about 2 years ago
#68 OWL starting today in e-Sports

what up nerds

http://i.imgur.com/n9wuumU.jpg

posted about 2 years ago
#1 Light Strike Array (for HTC Vive) in Other Games

Hey guys, this is pretty niche since it's a VR game, but a friend of mine has been developing it for a while now, and I did the music for the Steam Early Access trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmS6EyUYGsE

Feel free to post your thoughts; I'll pass this thread along to him.

He's still figuring out what exactly will happen with the music and audio in the game, but there's a good chance I'll be doing the music for it, either way.

posted about 2 years ago
#4 #UnbanFuture in The Dumpster
ExoIsn't it rather autistic to ban a relevent competitive player like Future from posting??? The dude's even organizing a tf2 lan like wtf?

No, it isn't "autistic" (terrible usage of that, thanks). future was banned a WHILE ago for posting a shitty joke (presumably) of the Holocaust. I wouldn't bet on him being unbanned again. Also, "relevant". Nice. There are very, very few people on these forums I'd call "relevant". I don't consider myself one of them, and future definitely is not.

A couple problems I see with this:

  • Saying that you're trying to plan a LAN doesn't make you a better person. I've known absolute shit people who continue to be event organizers.
  • This LAN's planning is absolutely off. future has no track record with this kind of thing, and he's banned from posting here for a legit reason (you can go look up his past posts; would you trust him with being able to run a good event and communicate well?).
  • No budget planning at all.
  • Modest Mouse? What?

Can you honestly tell yourself that this event isn't in shit taste of Miggy's memory? I would love to attend a FLan in his memory, but this is not it. This is honestly disgraceful. I hope future reconsiders and backs off. He's the wrong person for this.

Stop blindly defending your "friend" (it sounds like he's using you, by the way).

posted about 2 years ago
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