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The 120Hz Monitor Thread
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#421
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Does anyone know if the new LG 144hz monitors are any good?

Does anyone know if the new LG 144hz monitors are any good?
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#422
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I just got an acer Z-35 which has a 21:9 aspect ratio, so about 110 FOV http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672612834

I just got an acer Z-35 which has a 21:9 aspect ratio, so about 110 FOV http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672612834
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#423
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is this list still up to date? it says last updated august 2014 so just wondering if there are any new 144Hz monitors worth checking into or if either of the two listed have newer models?

is this list still up to date? it says last updated august 2014 so just wondering if there are any new 144Hz monitors worth checking into or if either of the two listed have newer models?
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#424
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lighthouseis this list still up to date? it says last updated august 2014 so just wondering if there are any new 144Hz monitors worth checking into or if either of the two listed have newer models?

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/gaming-monitor-list-120hz-144hz-165hz-200hz-240hz/

should give you a pretty good list to go off of.

Most Recommended ones though
ASUS VG248QE
BenQ ​XL2730Z (1440p)
BenQ XL2411Z (benq has a lot of 144Hz TN panel variants they're all basically as good as each other some just have nice or niche features)

there's also some Korean models you could get that aren't listed but they have a bit of input lag (1-2ms) and pretty shitty pixel overdrive and really shitty QC and Customer Service. can be found pretty cheap though.

[quote=lighthouse]is this list still up to date? it says last updated august 2014 so just wondering if there are any new 144Hz monitors worth checking into or if either of the two listed have newer models?[/quote]

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/gaming-monitor-list-120hz-144hz-165hz-200hz-240hz/

should give you a pretty good list to go off of.

Most Recommended ones though
ASUS VG248QE
BenQ ​XL2730Z (1440p)
BenQ XL2411Z (benq has a lot of 144Hz TN panel variants they're all basically as good as each other some just have nice or niche features)

there's also some Korean models you could get that aren't listed but they have a bit of input lag (1-2ms) and pretty shitty pixel overdrive and really shitty QC and Customer Service. can be found pretty cheap though.
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#425
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So I have a question about some of those 165+ hz monitors

Would my graphics card have an output that is likely to support 200 hz? I have a gtx 970 and I seem to remember it having a 144hz max output on dvi, and I thought that HDMI and displayport all had natual limits?

What type of graphics card and connection would support a 200hz output?

So I have a question about some of those 165+ hz monitors

Would my graphics card have an output that is likely to support 200 hz? I have a gtx 970 and I seem to remember it having a 144hz max output on dvi, and I thought that HDMI and displayport all had natual limits?

What type of graphics card and connection would support a 200hz output?
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#426
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Updated a bit but since I don't have any idea right now I just reworded and reorganized stuff, and made the BenQ entry a general one for the XL series. Also added the big list of monitors.

Updated a bit but since I don't have any idea right now I just reworded and reorganized stuff, and made the BenQ entry a general one for the XL series. Also added the big list of monitors.
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#427
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What's the consensus on G/Freesync? Worth the extra premium in some (niche) cases?

What's the consensus on G/Freesync? Worth the extra premium in some (niche) cases?
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#428
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If you use Lightboost/blur reduction, you can't have it and G/Freesync on at the same time.

I haven't had the chance to use a G/Freesync monitor, so I can't say anything else.

If you use Lightboost/blur reduction, you can't have it and G/Freesync on at the same time.

I haven't had the chance to use a G/Freesync monitor, so I can't say anything else.
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#429
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#427
Only worth it in a very specific case:

You're only buying a new monitor, not a new GPU as well or you're already looking at the fastest reasonably priced single GPU (Titans don't count). Otherwise getting a better GPU (+ triple buffered VSync) solves the problem just as well and you get more fps.

Then you need at least one game which meets all of these criteria:
-you can't get enough fps to match/exceed your monitors refresh rate at all times
-the drops below the refresh rate are not acceptable
-you are not willing to lower the settings
-you won't be using Lightboost/ULMB in that game.

That said this only applies if there is a premium.
Let's take a look at one monitor which actually does come in all three versions, the AOC G2460:
G2460PQU, the old/base version sells for around 250$. 144Hz, but neither G-Sync nor FreeSync.
G2460PF, the FreeSync version, usually around 260$, actually on sale right now for 210$. Yeah I could live with that "premium". Even when not on sale you get FreeSync from 35 to 144Hz* for 10$, so I'd say it's worth it. Can't really get a better GPU for 10$ more.
And then there's the G2460PG. You can experience the great technical superiority of G-Sync for only 350$. A 100$ premium. How is it superior? Well the range is 30 to 144Hz. Not that this is actually any better since you could get the PF to do that as well (see footnote) but due to the way nVidia does it and let's you pay for it, it costs 100$ more.

*It used to be 48-144Hz due to a bug, but a driver update fixes that. There is actually one beta driver that allows 30-146Hz (yes 146).

tl;dr
FreeSync probably worth it, since it's essentially free. If there is version of the monitor you want that supports it, it'll either be the cheapest version or just a slightly newer version that's almost the same price.
G-Sync probably not worth it due to 100$ premium.

#427
Only worth it in a very specific case:

You're only buying a new monitor, not a new GPU as well or you're already looking at the fastest reasonably priced single GPU (Titans don't count). Otherwise getting a better GPU (+ triple buffered VSync) solves the problem just as well and you get more fps.

Then you need at least one game which meets all of these criteria:
-you can't get enough fps to match/exceed your monitors refresh rate at all times
-the drops below the refresh rate are not acceptable
-you are not willing to lower the settings
-you won't be using Lightboost/ULMB in that game.


That said this only applies if there is a premium.
Let's take a look at one monitor which actually does come in all three versions, the AOC G2460:
G2460PQU, the old/base version sells for around 250$. 144Hz, but neither G-Sync nor FreeSync.
G2460PF, the FreeSync version, usually around 260$, actually on sale right now for 210$. Yeah I could live with that "premium". Even when not on sale you get FreeSync from 35 to 144Hz* for 10$, so I'd say it's worth it. Can't really get a better GPU for 10$ more.
And then there's the G2460PG. You can experience the great technical superiority of G-Sync for only 350$. A 100$ premium. How is it superior? Well the range is 30 to 144Hz. Not that this is actually any better since you could get the PF to do that as well (see footnote) but due to the way nVidia does it and let's you pay for it, it costs 100$ more.

*It used to be 48-144Hz due to a bug, but a driver update fixes that. There is actually one beta driver that allows 30-146Hz (yes 146).

[b]tl;dr[/b]
FreeSync probably worth it, since it's essentially free. If there is version of the monitor you want that supports it, it'll either be the cheapest version or just a slightly newer version that's almost the same price.
G-Sync probably not worth it due to 100$ premium.
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nobelharvardshttps://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz

[quote=nobelharvards]https://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.[/quote]

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz
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Kond3Pnobelharvardshttps://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html
They have another one that is supposedly 240 Hz native.

[quote=Kond3P][quote=nobelharvards]https://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.[/quote]

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz[/quote]

[url=http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html]http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html[/url]
They have another one that is supposedly 240 Hz native.
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aslKond3Pnobelharvardshttps://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html
They have another one that is supposedly 240 Hz native.

Is that the EIZO kind of "240 Hz" which in reality is just a normal 120 Hz monitor that puts black frames between every frame?

[quote=asl][quote=Kond3P][quote=nobelharvards]https://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/Computex-2016-ASUS-Announces-ROG-Swift-PG248Q-180Hz-G-Sync-Monitor

Asus show off their ROG Swift PG248Q 180Hz 1080p TN panel G-Sync Monitor at Computex 2016.[/quote]

Interesting to see if this can actually deliver a high refresh rate with low response time. The Acer 200Hz monitor and the overclockable QNIX monitors get blurrier above 144Hz[/quote]

[url=http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html]http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52337/new-asus-rog-swift-rocks-insane-native-240hz-nvidia-sync/index.html[/url]
They have another one that is supposedly 240 Hz native.[/quote]


Is that the EIZO kind of "240 Hz" which in reality is just a normal 120 Hz monitor that puts black frames between every frame?
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#434
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does anyone have anything to say about the acer GN246HL? its only like 260 CAN which is nuts for a 144 Hz monitor. the reviews are relatively mixed so has anyone tried this and would recommend or not recommend? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-009-642-_-Product

newegg also has a refurbished asus vg248qe for the same price. anyone know if newegg is good with their refurbished products? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236627&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-236-627-_-Product

EDIT: also the acer doesnt have a dual link dvi, you need displayport, and it doesnt have freesync or gsync, which im not sure if those are very important or not?

does anyone have anything to say about the acer GN246HL? its only like 260 CAN which is nuts for a 144 Hz monitor. the reviews are relatively mixed so has anyone tried this and would recommend or not recommend? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-009-642-_-Product

newegg also has a refurbished asus vg248qe for the same price. anyone know if newegg is good with their refurbished products? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236627&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-236-627-_-Product

EDIT: also the acer doesnt have a dual link dvi, you need displayport, and it doesnt have freesync or gsync, which im not sure if those are very important or not?
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#435
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lighthousenewegg also has a refurbished asus vg248qe for the same price. anyone know if newegg is good with their refurbished products? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236627&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-236-627-_-Product

I have the refurbished asus. I got it 3 years ago now and it's never had an issue.

[quote=lighthouse]
newegg also has a refurbished asus vg248qe for the same price. anyone know if newegg is good with their refurbished products? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236627&cm_re=144_hz-_-24-236-627-_-Product[/quote]


I have the refurbished asus. I got it 3 years ago now and it's never had an issue.
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#436
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the acer is good i use it and like it

the acer is good i use it and like it
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#437
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LG 24GM77-B https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P0EOX1S/ref=ya_st_dp_summary

It's probably one of the best monitors out there for 144hz and has the best colours compared to the BenQ and Asus when adjusted...

LG 24GM77-B https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P0EOX1S/ref=ya_st_dp_summary?tag=teamfortresst-20

It's probably one of the best monitors out there for 144hz and has the best colours compared to the BenQ and Asus when adjusted...
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#438
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Pav is right. If you care for colours and blur reduction the LG is regarded as the best. Honestly I'm surprised the VG248QE is recommended here so much. Not only does it use LightBoost which is a poor implementation of blur reduction, but it uses PWM which for a lot of people is an instant no buy.

If you want good customizable motion blur reduction settings get one of the BenQ models that offer it, if you care for colours get the LG, otherwise I personally don't recommend the ASUS.

Pav is right. If you care for colours and blur reduction the LG is regarded as the best. Honestly I'm surprised the VG248QE is recommended here so much. Not only does it use LightBoost which is a poor implementation of blur reduction, but it uses PWM which for a lot of people is an instant no buy.

If you want good customizable motion blur reduction settings get one of the BenQ models that offer it, if you care for colours get the LG, otherwise I personally don't recommend the ASUS.
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#439
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Does FullHD 144Hz monitors with an IPS exists? Can someone clarify me on that or maybe recommend a thing?

Can't seem to find a single "best of" or "recommended" monitor list with that kind of product specification.

Does FullHD 144Hz monitors with an IPS exists? Can someone clarify me on that or maybe recommend a thing?

Can't seem to find a single "best of" or "recommended" monitor list with that kind of product specification.
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#440
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DampstayDoes FullHD 144Hz monitors with an IPS exists? Can someone clarify me on that or maybe recommend a thing? New to that, can't seem to find a single "best of" or "recommended" monitor list with that kind of product specification.

No. The only 144Hz IPS panels are 27 inch 1440p panels using an AU Optronics AHVA panel. They're well known for having various QC issues. They're also quite expensive.

As all the manufacturers use the same panel I just recommended picking up the cheapest unless you care for certain OSD features/looks.

Models are:
Acer xb271hu
Asus pg279q
AOC AG271QG
Viewsonic xg2703-gs

There's also cheaper equivalents minus the gsync module.

[quote=Dampstay]Does FullHD 144Hz monitors with an IPS exists? Can someone clarify me on that or maybe recommend a thing? New to that, can't seem to find a single "best of" or "recommended" monitor list with that kind of product specification.[/quote]

No. The only 144Hz IPS panels are 27 inch 1440p panels using an AU Optronics AHVA panel. They're well known for having various QC issues. They're also quite expensive.

As all the manufacturers use the same panel I just recommended picking up the cheapest unless you care for certain OSD features/looks.

Models are:
Acer xb271hu
Asus pg279q
AOC AG271QG
Viewsonic xg2703-gs

There's also cheaper equivalents minus the gsync module.
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#441
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asl

ok thanks

Will look further into it, and maybe will get lucky to find TN with a better viewing angle.

[quote=asl][/quote]

ok thanks

Will look further into it, and maybe will get lucky to find TN with a better viewing angle.
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#442
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZW50M9169

Nixeus 144hz on sale for 229 from 350. I haven't used this monitor personally but this seems like a good deal and the reviews are solid.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZW50M9169

Nixeus 144hz on sale for 229 from 350. I haven't used this monitor personally but this seems like a good deal and the reviews are solid.
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#443
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saamhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZW50M9169

Nixeus 144hz on sale for 229 from 350. I haven't used this monitor personally but this seems like a good deal and the reviews are solid.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nixeus-24-144hz-freesync-led-gaming-monitor?mode=guest_open

Even cheaper on massdrop

[quote=saam]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZW50M9169

Nixeus 144hz on sale for 229 from 350. I haven't used this monitor personally but this seems like a good deal and the reviews are solid.[/quote]

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/nixeus-24-144hz-freesync-led-gaming-monitor?mode=guest_open

Even cheaper on massdrop
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#444
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I don't know too much about monitors so if someone could explain this to me that would be nice.
Why would you you ever buy anything but the cheapest 144hz monitor? Is it a matter of how the game and looks and some people want it to look nice? or does will it also give you a gaming advantage?

I don't know too much about monitors so if someone could explain this to me that would be nice.
Why would you you ever buy anything but the cheapest 144hz monitor? Is it a matter of how the game and looks and some people want it to look nice? or does will it also give you a gaming advantage?
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#445
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yeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors

yeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors
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#446
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Cerduryeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors

ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?

[quote=Cerdur]yeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors[/quote]
ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?
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#447
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VulcanCerduryeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors
ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?

Motion blur is not only affected by how fast the screen refreshes, but also by how long it takes the screen to switch pixels from one colour to the next(pixel response time, often listed as grey-to-grey, but it's better to look at reviews than the manufacturer's spec sheet).
Then there is also the importance of input lag, which is the time it takes for your screen to start changing the pixels after it receives the data to draw the frame(the lower this is, the closer the thing you see will be to what's actually happening in the game).
A lot of people will tell you otherwise(based on their feeling), but backlight strobing technologies drastically reduce the amount of tracking-based motion blur. The quality of the various implementations of this technology varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Also, some on-screen menus will give you a brain tumour and make you question how any human being could be so incompetent at designing a settings interface. There's also FreeSync/G-sync and some more minor manufacturer-specific tech that might be appealing to you. Keep in mind that lately all monitors with equal refresh rate and resolution are using the same AUO-made panels anyway, it's just the tuning, binning and extras on top of that which make the difference.

[quote=Vulcan][quote=Cerdur]yeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors[/quote]
ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?[/quote]
Motion blur is not only affected by how fast the screen refreshes, but also by how long it takes the screen to switch pixels from one colour to the next(pixel response time, often listed as grey-to-grey, but it's better to look at reviews than the manufacturer's spec sheet).
Then there is also the importance of input lag, which is the time it takes for your screen to start changing the pixels after it receives the data to draw the frame(the lower this is, the closer the thing you see will be to what's actually happening in the game).
A lot of people will tell you otherwise(based on their feeling), but backlight strobing technologies drastically reduce the amount of tracking-based motion blur. The quality of the various implementations of this technology varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Also, some on-screen menus will give you a brain tumour and make you question how any human being could be so incompetent at designing a settings interface. There's also FreeSync/G-sync and some more minor manufacturer-specific tech that might be appealing to you. Keep in mind that lately all monitors with equal refresh rate and resolution are using the same AUO-made panels anyway, it's just the tuning, binning and extras on top of that which make the difference.
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#448
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OsirisVulcanCerduryeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors
ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?
Motion blur is not only affected by how fast the screen refreshes, but also by how long it takes the screen to switch pixels from one colour to the next(pixel response time, often listed as grey-to-grey, but it's better to look at reviews than the manufacturer's spec sheet).
Then there is also the importance of input lag, which is the time it takes for your screen to start changing the pixels after it receives the data to draw the frame(the lower this is, the closer the thing you see will be to what's actually happening in the game).
A lot of people will tell you otherwise(based on their feeling), but backlight strobing technologies drastically reduce the amount of tracking-based motion blur. The quality of the various implementations of this technology varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Also, some on-screen menus will give you a brain tumour and make you question how any human being could be so incompetent at designing a settings interface. There's also FreeSync/G-sync and some more minor manufacturer-specific tech that might be appealing to you. Keep in mind that lately all monitors with equal refresh rate and resolution are using the same AUO-made panels anyway, it's just the tuning, binning and extras on top of that which make the difference.

Thanks! So what would you say is the cheapest monitor you can buy with the guaranteed best performance (I don't care about g-sync and any other features)

[quote=Osiris][quote=Vulcan][quote=Cerdur]yeah cheap ones can look all washed out and fucky
also reliability and build quality are factors[/quote]
ahh, but lets say i didn't mind colors, would there be any other factors? What are the differences between different types of panels?[/quote]
Motion blur is not only affected by how fast the screen refreshes, but also by how long it takes the screen to switch pixels from one colour to the next(pixel response time, often listed as grey-to-grey, but it's better to look at reviews than the manufacturer's spec sheet).
Then there is also the importance of input lag, which is the time it takes for your screen to start changing the pixels after it receives the data to draw the frame(the lower this is, the closer the thing you see will be to what's actually happening in the game).
A lot of people will tell you otherwise(based on their feeling), but backlight strobing technologies drastically reduce the amount of tracking-based motion blur. The quality of the various implementations of this technology varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Also, some on-screen menus will give you a brain tumour and make you question how any human being could be so incompetent at designing a settings interface. There's also FreeSync/G-sync and some more minor manufacturer-specific tech that might be appealing to you. Keep in mind that lately all monitors with equal refresh rate and resolution are using the same AUO-made panels anyway, it's just the tuning, binning and extras on top of that which make the difference.[/quote]
Thanks! So what would you say is the cheapest monitor you can buy with the guaranteed best performance (I don't care about g-sync and any other features)
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#449
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I'm looking for a 1080p 144hz monitor with minimal input lag.
What's good now? Are the recomended monitors still the ones Comanglia listed?
Where do people buy from in Australia? I couldn't find any Australian retailers for the BenQs in his list.

I'm looking for a 1080p 144hz monitor with minimal input lag.
What's good now? Are the recomended monitors still the ones Comanglia listed?
Where do people buy from in Australia? I couldn't find any Australian retailers for the BenQs in his list.
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#450
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BenQ ZOWIE XL2430 (not XL2430T) includes DisplayPort cable or only DVI-DL cable?

BenQ ZOWIE XL2430 (not XL2430T) includes DisplayPort cable or only DVI-DL cable?
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