https://imgur.com/a/VVVLoMi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGbXc2rE3c

cant find a video of that rollout but its basically crouchdet straight from spawn like i did in the video, that rollout is very inconsistent for most of the people because you hit your head most of the times because of the roof. Now when roof is gone you can fuck up the rollout and still be faster than other demoman placing sticky on that default pillar outside spawn

edit: with this default rollout most of the demos do you get to pack at 9:46 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGBKyd0y4Ps&t=4s)

with crouchdet you get to pack at 9:48 if im correct

you made demoman class on gully mid even more powerful with clearing roof on last/balcony, now everyone can directly jump from spawndoor and be faster on mid (old kaido rollout) i think this change is going to hurt alot with no med scout speed. video for showcase - https://streamable.com/dfbyrf

also i think this is gonna cause some last push problems - https://streamable.com/pwq4o2

why did this thing got removed? https://ctrlv.cz/shots/2020/11/11/HwTp.png - was pretty good for holding last because you get frag on that trap almost all the time, i dont see any point in removing that, dont think it caused any problems there.

@collaide please dont ruin every stickytrap on the map like someone did on badlands remake ty

i dont think iron bomber is making any impact on the game there are many more unlocks/things in the game that make bigger impact than this, just my opinion i guess.

ive built i would say good muscle memory on demoman sticking with same sensitivity and same weapon for over 3 years and thats why i got better at demoman, this would just make every demo used to iron bomber worse thats what i think

i dont want to make drama here or something so im just gonna leave this thread with that i think it wouldnt really change anything

This weapon is here for like 3 years or something and you want to ban it NOW. Its the same weapon as it came out few years ago why would you want it to be banned NOW after like 3 years i dont get that

edit- also i dont think this thread is gonna make something change so we should just take it down lol

if you have that opportunity to use as you say "better/op weapon" why dont you use it aswell, seen you in many season use stock and now you cry

wasnt there a thread by soldier mains that were mad about winger being kinda op on scout? you can literally pull out winger and dodge every rocket like its the same thing you want to point here with iron bomber

I made quick strawpoll and asked few prem/div 1 demos what they would like to use.
From 10 demos i asked 75% ppl wanted to use iron bomber (posted here the link so ppl from thread could actually vote my b lol)

didnt msg mak cuz its pretty obvs he wants to use stock

if you wanna use iron bomber just use it, if you wanna use stock use stock. If you choose iron bomber i guess you have higher % hitting a pipe, but if you choose stock you get more spam thats it pros/cons of both weapons. I would say 90% ppl are using iron bomber over stock pipes so why would you want to ban it :D we could say stock pipe spam is op lets ban it in etf2l, its the same thing. Who voted "yes" is just someone who has been using stock for years or scout main being mad about getting double piped by iron bomber lol

im sorry but iron bomber is not breaking any tf2 gameplay, ppl are just mad cuz someone can actually aim thats it, also i dont think demoman needs nerf at this point its just another stupid thing how to get "better rules in etf2l or someshit"

also i would like to say - OnLy GoOd CuZ oF iRoN bOmBe -____-

ADDED - IF YOU WANT TO BAN IRON BOMBER PLEASE BAN WINGER BECAUSE ITS OP TO HAVE WINGER IN YOUR HAND AND DODGE EVERY SINGLE ROCKET

only good cuz of iron bombe

Thank you!

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