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#3451
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Yeah, in that case I'd get the 2060 Super.

No, that's actually worse. I guess the MWE Gold will have to do then.

Yeah, built-in PSUs are shit anyway. What about dust filters though? It's easy to buy an extra fan, dust filters not so much.

Yeah, in that case I'd get the 2060 Super.

No, that's actually worse. I guess the MWE Gold will have to do then.

Yeah, built-in PSUs are shit anyway. What about dust filters though? It's easy to buy an extra fan, dust filters not so much.
3452
#3452
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https://www.msi.com/PC-component/MAG-VAMPIRIC-010
Found this one for 63 eur. It says magnetic filters, does that mean dust filters or is it something else?

https://www.msi.com/PC-component/MAG-VAMPIRIC-010
Found this one for 63 eur. It says magnetic filters, does that mean dust filters or is it something else?
3453
#3453
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Yes, although none in the front where you usually need the most. Better than nothing I guess.
The case in general is kind of mediocre though, even for a budget case.
I guess there are no good options in the local shops so you'll have to live with some compromises either way.

Yes, although none in the front where you usually need the most. Better than nothing I guess.
The case in general is kind of mediocre though, even for a budget case.
I guess there are no good options in the local shops so you'll have to live with some compromises either way.
3454
#3454
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I'll stop spamming you with case links right after this one, I found another store with a bit more variety.

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-tower/silencio-s400/

Is this better than the last?

If it is, I'll probably build my PC in the foreseeable future, after some exams. Thank you so much for your help, you're the tftv mvp

I'll stop spamming you with case links right after this one, I found another store with a bit more variety.

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-tower/silencio-s400/

Is this better than the last?

If it is, I'll probably build my PC in the foreseeable future, after some exams. Thank you so much for your help, you're the tftv mvp
3455
#3455
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Yep, dust filters, all around good case, two fans.
It's a silent case, so in addition to some noise dampening material the intakes are a bit more restrictive, meaning a third fan could be worth it (no rush though, you can always add that later if you want lower temps), but if it's not too expensive it's definitely the best option.

Yep, dust filters, all around good case, two fans.
It's a silent case, so in addition to some noise dampening material the intakes are a bit more restrictive, meaning a third fan could be worth it (no rush though, you can always add that later if you want lower temps), but if it's not too expensive it's definitely the best option.
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#3456
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One last question because I'm apparently too stupid to figure it out on my own. Does the s400 actually fit my motherboard and other parts? (Msi b450 tomahawk, and either 2060 super or 5700 xt). You said full size motherboard = full size case but this one has mini in the name

One last question because I'm apparently too stupid to figure it out on my own. Does the s400 actually fit my motherboard and other parts? (Msi b450 tomahawk, and either 2060 super or 5700 xt). You said full size motherboard = full size case but this one has mini in the name
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#3457
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Good catch, i checked for the previous case but not that one. Only up to µATX so either µATX mobo or we're back to looking for a case. No problem with the GPU length though, 319mm is plenty.

Good catch, i checked for the previous case but not that one. Only up to µATX so either µATX mobo or we're back to looking for a case. No problem with the GPU length though, 319mm is plenty.
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#3458
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They have the s600 too, I checked and it supports atx. From what I can see it's just a bigger s400. Fuck it, 90 eur case it is. Thanks a lot again :)

They have the s600 too, I checked and it supports atx. From what I can see it's just a bigger s400. Fuck it, 90 eur case it is. Thanks a lot again :)
3459
#3459
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Upgrading/ basically just building a new computer, just made this with logicalincrements so I'd like some feedback. I just want to be able to run whatever new games come out at 120 fps high graphics for the next few years and be able to get 250 in stuff like tf2

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/saam/saved/jLYjpg

I already have the Z370 motherboard, I have to flash it to be able to use the 9900 but I think it would be worth it? Never done it before but it doesn't look to impossible as long as you follow directions. The only other thing I'm reusing is the PSU.

Budget is a soft $2500

edit: streaming is not a priority so I also kinda feel like I fucked up with the processor but I'm fine paying that much for it if it means my computer will be dope for a while

Upgrading/ basically just building a new computer, just made this with logicalincrements so I'd like some feedback. I just want to be able to run whatever new games come out at 120 fps high graphics for the next few years and be able to get 250 in stuff like tf2

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/saam/saved/jLYjpg

I already have the Z370 motherboard, I have to flash it to be able to use the 9900 but I think it would be worth it? Never done it before but it doesn't look to impossible as long as you follow directions. The only other thing I'm reusing is the PSU.

Budget is a soft $2500

edit: streaming is not a priority so I also kinda feel like I fucked up with the processor but I'm fine paying that much for it if it means my computer will be dope for a while
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#3460
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crackbabydumpster-snip-

There's little reason to buy a 2080 when the 2070 Super exists
seagate drives above 2TB have higher failure rates than other manufacturers do (ie toshiba, hitachi, idk about WD), but it's still a small percentage compared to overall purchases
you can get a 650W focus plus gold for $43 less than that bronze rated 600W corsair psu

[quote=crackbabydumpster]-snip-[/quote]

There's little reason to buy a 2080 when the 2070 Super exists
seagate drives above 2TB have higher failure rates than other manufacturers do (ie toshiba, hitachi, idk about WD), but it's still a small percentage compared to overall purchases
you can get a 650W focus plus gold for $43 less than that bronze rated 600W corsair psu
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#3461
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#3460
Well do you want it to be faster or cheaper?
7200 rpm HDD and 2070 Super are definitely things to consider, otherwise it looks fine.

120 fps on high for a few years might be a bit overoptimistic but replacing the GPU is easy.

#3461
Source? And there is a wrong answer.

EDIT: # are off by one because of nuking.

#3460
Well do you want it to be faster or cheaper?
7200 rpm HDD and 2070 Super are definitely things to consider, otherwise it looks fine.

120 fps on high for a few years might be a bit overoptimistic but replacing the GPU is easy.

#3461
Source? And there is a wrong answer.

EDIT: # are off by one because of nuking.
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#3462
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Thanks, switched to the 2070 Super after looking into it.

Only reason for the 600W Corsair is I already own it, is it worth to just get a new PSU with the money saved here though?

Also I feel like it could be worth it to do a new motherboard to save the headache of flashing the bios or whatever but on the other hand I may as well try first right

@Setsul I'd rather it be faster, budget isn't a huge deal. I still don't like overspending for small increases though

Thanks, switched to the 2070 Super after looking into it.

Only reason for the 600W Corsair is I already own it, is it worth to just get a new PSU with the money saved here though?

Also I feel like it could be worth it to do a new motherboard to save the headache of flashing the bios or whatever but on the other hand I may as well try first right

@Setsul I'd rather it be faster, budget isn't a huge deal. I still don't like overspending for small increases though
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#3463
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At that budget the price to performance ratio will only get worse, not sure if you consider that overpaying.
Maybe check whether you'd get 120 fps in recent games on the settings you want.
Short of waiting for Zen3 there isn't a whole lot you can do on the CPU side. If anything since streaming isn't a priority you'd be fine with fewer threads/cores (9700K/9600K), but that might not even be an upgrade anymore depending on what you've got right now. Maybe the 9900KS if it is in stock and not too expensive, but the difference between that and a normal 9900K(F) is probably marginal if both are overclocked.

PSU is fine. Fully modular is a bit nicer to build with, but I see no reason to replace it if it isn't that old.

Flashing is fairly easy if you've got a working CPU so yeah, definitely try it.

At that budget the price to performance ratio will only get worse, not sure if you consider that overpaying.
Maybe check whether you'd get 120 fps in recent games on the settings you want.
Short of waiting for Zen3 there isn't a whole lot you can do on the CPU side. If anything since streaming isn't a priority you'd be fine with fewer threads/cores (9700K/9600K), but that might not even be an upgrade anymore depending on what you've got right now. Maybe the 9900KS if it is in stock and not too expensive, but the difference between that and a normal 9900K(F) is probably marginal if both are overclocked.

PSU is fine. Fully modular is a bit nicer to build with, but I see no reason to replace it if it isn't that old.

Flashing is fairly easy if you've got a working CPU so yeah, definitely try it.
3464
#3464
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First, apologies for the long wall of text - copy pasted from a post elsewhere (where I've had no response) so thought I'd try my luck back here <3

With Black Friday/Christmas coming up, looking to rebuild this thing and just need to get a better idea of how overkill I need to go to get what I want out of it long-term. Ideally I don't want to have to upgrade any components for another 3 or so years.

Primary thing I'll be using the PC for will be gaming and heavy browsing. Currently run 3 monitors. I would want the PC to happily run at 144fps 1080p on max settings in pretty much any game that is out now. Note that a primary objective would be to handle something like Cyberpunk at near-max (if not max) settings. I would be interested in getting a VR headset later on down the line but am quite confident this will be possible with the spec I'm looking at - just mentioning in case there should be something else I need to take into account...

Now, keep in mind I already have a full size tower with ample cooling (CM Storm Stryker). I also have a PSU - this is a Corsair HX750 (from when I initially built), storage (although I do need an additional 1tb SSD) and CPU Cooler from my current setup.

Based in the UK, budget is around ~1.5k GBP (can go over if necessary)

Right now I can't figure out how far I need to go with the build, given the longevity I would want (at least 2-3 years of gaming at max-near max). I've listed a couple questions below which will need to be taken into account as they will naturally affect the budget

- Can I make use of my current Corsair HX750 PSU, or would it be suggested to invest in a new one (given possibility of degradation)? Also, would the 750W be enough for the below build?

- Can I make use of my current CPU cooler or is the whole "AIO cooler" thing something worth considering? (Again, circa 7 years old but have never had a single issue with temps and fans still going strong)

Currently looking at getting the following - links are primarily for the rough pricing of the items as I've budgeted:

- i7 9700k (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I79700K-CORE-I7-9700K-RETAIL/dp/B07JJ8CSNZ)
- RTX 2080 (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-gamerock-rgb-8192mb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04e-pl.html)
- 32GB @ 3200MHz (4x8GB) (https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07D5SN1ZK)
- 1TB NVMe for boot and primary games/applications (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT1000P1SSD8-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ)
- Mobo Unknown - I've set aside remaining 250GBP odd for this, please suggest possible options

What would you guys recommend? Would that keep me going and for how long? If need be, wouldn't necessarily mind upgrading just the GPU later down the line (say in 2 years time, thus getting something perhaps a little cheaper now), but not much else beyond that. Again, my pricing is based on the ability to keep parts of my current build.

Just need a rough idea on what to keep my eyes peeled for during the holiday season in terms of deals....

First, apologies for the long wall of text - copy pasted from a post elsewhere (where I've had no response) so thought I'd try my luck back here <3

With Black Friday/Christmas coming up, looking to rebuild this thing and just need to get a better idea of how overkill I need to go to get what I want out of it long-term. Ideally I don't want to have to upgrade any components for another 3 or so years.

Primary thing I'll be using the PC for will be gaming and heavy browsing. Currently run 3 monitors. I would want the PC to happily run at 144fps 1080p on max settings in pretty much any game that is out now. Note that a primary objective would be to handle something like Cyberpunk at near-max (if not max) settings. I would be interested in getting a VR headset later on down the line but am quite confident this will be possible with the spec I'm looking at - just mentioning in case there should be something else I need to take into account...

Now, keep in mind I already have a full size tower with ample cooling (CM Storm Stryker). I also have a PSU - this is a Corsair HX750 (from when I initially built), storage (although I do need an additional 1tb SSD) and CPU Cooler from my current setup.

Based in the UK, budget is around ~1.5k GBP (can go over if necessary)

Right now I can't figure out how far I need to go with the build, given the longevity I would want (at least 2-3 years of gaming at max-near max). I've listed a couple questions below which will need to be taken into account as they will naturally affect the budget

- Can I make use of my current Corsair HX750 PSU, or would it be suggested to invest in a new one (given possibility of degradation)? Also, would the 750W be enough for the below build?

- Can I make use of my current CPU cooler or is the whole "AIO cooler" thing something worth considering? (Again, circa 7 years old but have never had a single issue with temps and fans still going strong)

Currently looking at getting the following - links are primarily for the rough pricing of the items as I've budgeted:

[b]- i7 9700k[/b] (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-BX80684I79700K-CORE-I7-9700K-RETAIL/dp/B07JJ8CSNZ)
[b]- RTX 2080[/b] (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-gamerock-rgb-8192mb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04e-pl.html)
[b]- 32GB @ 3200MHz (4x8GB)[/b] (https://www.amazon.co.uk/CORSAIR-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07D5SN1ZK)
[b]- 1TB NVMe for boot and primary games/applications[/b] (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-CT1000P1SSD8-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ)
[b]- Mobo Unknown[/b] - I've set aside remaining 250GBP odd for this, please suggest possible options

What would you guys recommend? Would that keep me going and for how long? If need be, wouldn't necessarily mind upgrading just the GPU later down the line (say in 2 years time, thus getting something perhaps a little cheaper now), but not much else beyond that. Again, my pricing is based on the ability to keep parts of my current build.

Just need a rough idea on what to keep my eyes peeled for during the holiday season in terms of deals....
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#3465
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Well first of all: Overclocking yes or no?

Secondly, 144 fps at 1080p max settings in any game really isn't going to happen. In some sure. Near-max in a few. But a stock RTX 2080 doesn't quite get 144 average in Witcher 3 and that's a game from 2015. Aftermarket or 2080 Super sure, but just moving on to a 2016 game, Deus Ex: Mankind divided, even a 2080 Ti can't save you anymore. Of course on the other hand something like Wolfenstein II will happily run at 250/300 fps even though it is even more recent. So it really depends on the game. And how much you're willing to drop down from max settings. I doubt Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be any easier to run than Witcher 3, but at high, not max? Might be doable.
You could also look into G-Sync/FreeSync. Barely getting 150 avg and dropping to 120 frequently isn't going to look great. With variable refresh rate you don't care that much if it fluctuates between 100 and 144 with an average of 120 or between 130 and 144 with 140 average.

Case and PSU should be fine. Which CPU cooler exactly?

No, the "AIO cooler" thing should never be something worth considering. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#556

Could do better on the RAM and SSD, but that's fine tuning best left for later.

Well first of all: Overclocking yes or no?

Secondly, 144 fps at 1080p max settings in any game really isn't going to happen. In some sure. Near-max in a few. But [url=https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-founders-edition/images/the-witcher-3_1920-1080.png]a stock RTX 2080 doesn't quite get 144 average in Witcher 3[/url] and that's a game from 2015. Aftermarket or 2080 Super sure, but just moving on to a 2016 game, Deus Ex: Mankind divided, [url=https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition/images/deus-ex-mankind-divided_1920-1080.png]even a 2080 Ti can't save you anymore[/url]. Of course on the other hand something like Wolfenstein II will happily run at 250/300 fps even though it is even more recent. So it really depends on the game. And how much you're willing to drop down from max settings. I doubt Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be any easier to run than Witcher 3, but at high, not max? Might be doable.
You could also look into G-Sync/FreeSync. Barely getting 150 avg and dropping to 120 frequently isn't going to look great. With variable refresh rate you don't care that much if it fluctuates between 100 and 144 with an average of 120 or between 130 and 144 with 140 average.

Case and PSU should be fine. Which CPU cooler exactly?

No, the "AIO cooler" thing should never be something worth considering. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#556

Could do better on the RAM and SSD, but that's fine tuning best left for later.
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#3466
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Again, sorry for the long response. Your help is much appreciated <3

- Overclocking - probably not (at least not right off the bat), but if necessary I will. I know the CPU I mentioned is the K, but assuming I won't be overclocking, what would be the best thing for a similar price point? Just felt given the price variation vs the standard wasn't too bad so if it came to it, I would at least have the option to overclock.

- With regards to G-Sync, I would ideally not want to buy another monitor (and think I would rather spend the money on raw performance of the PC itself) - I guess this is where the compromise with regards to settings will have to come in.

- With that in mind, I think maybe the 2080 Super as you mentioned is something I should consider (I simply thought the 2080Ti isn't worth the money at the moment and didn't even realise the Super existed). The question I then have is which variants of the Super should I be looking at?

- Honestly have no idea with regards to the cooler I have. Theres no branding that I can see on the cooler and I've long since discarded the packaging. From memory, I paid c.70GBP for the cooler when I built this around 7 years ago. It's a dual heatsink with 2 fans (one wedged between the heatsinks, one on the end). As mentioned, never had an issue with CPU temps so it seems capable enough (at 15% load temps sit around 40-45). The fans are still blowing as hard as ever, so presumably theres no need to even swap those out?

- Any suggestions with regards to potential motherboards? Whilst I'm somewhat willing to upgrade the GPU in a couple years, I would want to keep everything else (including the mobo) the same.

Thanks again for your help <3

Again, sorry for the long response. Your help is much appreciated <3

- Overclocking - probably not (at least not right off the bat), but if necessary I will. I know the CPU I mentioned is the K, but assuming I won't be overclocking, what would be the best thing for a similar price point? Just felt given the price variation vs the standard wasn't too bad so if it came to it, I would at least have the option to overclock.

- With regards to G-Sync, I would ideally not want to buy another monitor (and think I would rather spend the money on raw performance of the PC itself) - I guess this is where the compromise with regards to settings will have to come in.

- With that in mind, I think maybe the 2080 Super as you mentioned is something I should consider (I simply thought the 2080Ti isn't worth the money at the moment and didn't even realise the Super existed). The question I then have is which variants of the Super should I be looking at?

- Honestly have no idea with regards to the cooler I have. Theres no branding that I can see on the cooler and I've long since discarded the packaging. From memory, I paid c.70GBP for the cooler when I built this around 7 years ago. It's a dual heatsink with 2 fans (one wedged between the heatsinks, one on the end). As mentioned, never had an issue with CPU temps so it seems capable enough (at 15% load temps sit around 40-45). The fans are still blowing as hard as ever, so presumably theres no need to even swap those out?

- Any suggestions with regards to potential motherboards? Whilst I'm somewhat willing to upgrade the GPU in a couple years, I would want to keep everything else (including the mobo) the same.

Thanks again for your help <3
3467
#3467
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Long responses are better than incomplete responses that require 3 rounds of followup questions.

For anything but TF2 I don't think CPU overclocking would really be necessary. It's not just the CPU, it's also the mobo (Z instead of B/H) and usually the cooler although not in your case. It adds up to 50-100 quid depending on the CPU price difference and mobo, which is a bit much if you're not going to use what you paid for. If you're not going to OC a 3700X might actually be faster in addition to being cheaper. Or even a 3600X. 8 cores without SMT vs 6 cores with SMT isn't necessarily a win for the 8 cores.

Yes. You should definitely consider it for the next monitor upgrade though.

Price to performance ratio always gets worse the higher you go. It's a matter of needing/wanting that much performance.
No blower/reference design (single fan), none of the crazy super expensive super high factory oc ones either. Decent cooler, a bit of factory oc are usually the most reasonable choices. You'll have to read reviews, ideally roundups, to compare the coolers. Even if you don't care about the noise GPUs with nominally the same clockspeeds and a different cooler can end up performing significantly different.

Well the temps at 15% load don't mean shit. Any decent dual tower (and I assume it is if you didn't overpay massively) will do fine though. If they fans didn't break they're fine.

Mobo doesn't matter too much for the GPU. I mean PCIe 4.0 is coming, but so far only X570 offers that which is both AMD and quite pricy. No PCIe 4.0 for Intel consumer CPUs before 2021 afaik. Either way that's a 1-2% difference and beyond that the GPU can't even tell mobos apart.
More important would be the decision between Z (overclocking) and B/H (no oc) or even AMD, which all depend on the CPU.

Long responses are better than incomplete responses that require 3 rounds of followup questions.

For anything but TF2 I don't think CPU overclocking would really be necessary. It's not just the CPU, it's also the mobo (Z instead of B/H) and usually the cooler although not in your case. It adds up to 50-100 quid depending on the CPU price difference and mobo, which is a bit much if you're not going to use what you paid for. If you're not going to OC a 3700X might actually be faster in addition to being cheaper. Or even a 3600X. 8 cores without SMT vs 6 cores with SMT isn't necessarily a win for the 8 cores.

Yes. You should definitely consider it for the next monitor upgrade though.

Price to performance ratio always gets worse the higher you go. It's a matter of needing/wanting that much performance.
No blower/reference design (single fan), none of the crazy super expensive super high factory oc ones either. Decent cooler, a bit of factory oc are usually the most reasonable choices. You'll have to read reviews, ideally roundups, to compare the coolers. Even if you don't care about the noise GPUs with nominally the same clockspeeds and a different cooler can end up performing significantly different.

Well the temps at 15% load don't mean shit. Any decent dual tower (and I assume it is if you didn't overpay massively) will do fine though. If they fans didn't break they're fine.

Mobo doesn't matter too much for the GPU. I mean PCIe 4.0 is coming, but so far only X570 offers that which is both AMD and quite pricy. No PCIe 4.0 for Intel consumer CPUs before 2021 afaik. Either way that's a 1-2% difference and beyond that the GPU can't even tell mobos apart.
More important would be the decision between Z (overclocking) and B/H (no oc) or even AMD, which all depend on the CPU.
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#3468
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I'm running into hardware issues with my current build from 2013, so since the parts are 6 years old I figure I better start from scratch. I have a soft $1000 budget and would rather buy parts now (within this month) than later so my team can actually scrim.

The worst frames I ever get in TF2 are 90 in some pubs so I'd prefer if this new PC had any form of FPS boost in comparison at all so I can always have 3 digit FPS. I'm very used to not being able to stream without dropping a lot of frames, and only really getting to play games like GTA/Rust/Borderlands/Deus Ex/Witcher ect on all low settings without seeing serious performance issues. If any of this got to change for the better with a new build that'd be great, but if my budget only allows for this to remain the status quo then I can live with that. The most stressful thing that the PC will probably have to take is Cyberpunk I would imagine. I can play that on low too if needed but something higher would be nice. I prefer not to overclock but will if deemed necessary

I had a friend make a partial build. (missing GPU/harddrive/windows) but anyone that's helping me feel free to build your own thing if you see something better.

Edit: I forgot to mention I can reuse the harddrive/PSU/case short term if it fits with the build and softens the budget, and replace the old parts sometime in 2020 when I have more money. Bear also has an old GTX 760 he can send me at break if using that for a GPU to save extra money (in general or to put towards other parts) is the play.

I'm running into hardware issues with my [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9y94n7]current build[/url] from 2013, so since the parts are 6 years old I figure I better start from scratch. I have a soft $1000 budget and would rather buy parts now (within this month) than later so my team can actually scrim.

The worst frames I ever get in TF2 are 90 in some pubs so I'd prefer if this new PC had any form of FPS boost in comparison at all so I can always have 3 digit FPS. I'm very used to not being able to stream without dropping a lot of frames, and only really getting to play games like GTA/Rust/Borderlands/Deus Ex/Witcher ect on all low settings without seeing serious performance issues. If any of this got to change for the better with a new build that'd be great, but if my budget only allows for this to remain the status quo then I can live with that. The most stressful thing that the PC will probably have to take is Cyberpunk I would imagine. I can play that on low too if needed but something higher would be nice. I prefer not to overclock but will if deemed necessary

I had a friend make a [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7L8Mc]partial build.[/url] (missing GPU/harddrive/windows) but anyone that's helping me feel free to build your own thing if you see something better.

Edit: I forgot to mention I can reuse the harddrive/PSU/case short term if it fits with the build and softens the budget, and replace the old parts sometime in 2020 when I have more money. Bear also has an old GTX 760 he can send me at break if using that for a GPU to save extra money (in general or to put towards other parts) is the play.
3469
#3469
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8NnYHB
if you don't want an ssd (you do want an ssd) you can nix it and get a 2080

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8NnYHB
if you don't want an ssd (you do want an ssd) you can nix it and get a 2080
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#3470
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Jarrett000I'm running into hardware issues with my current build from 2013, so since the parts are 6 years old I figure I better start from scratch. I have a soft $1000 budget and would rather buy parts now (within this month) than later so my team can actually scrim.

The worst frames I ever get in TF2 are 90 in some pubs so I'd prefer if this new PC had any form of FPS boost in comparison at all so I can always have 3 digit FPS. I'm very used to not being able to stream without dropping a lot of frames, and only really getting to play games like GTA/Rust/Borderlands/Deus Ex/Witcher ect on all low settings without seeing serious performance issues. If any of this got to change for the better with a new build that'd be great, but if my budget only allows for this to remain the status quo then I can live with that. The most stressful thing that the PC will probably have to take is Cyberpunk I would imagine. I can play that on low too if needed but something higher would be nice. I prefer not to overclock but will if deemed necessary

I had a friend make a partial build. (missing GPU/harddrive/windows) but anyone that's helping me feel free to build your own thing if you see something better.

Edit: I forgot to mention I can reuse the harddrive/PSU/case short term if it fits with the build and softens the budget, and replace the old parts sometime in 2020 when I have more money. Bear also has an old GTX 760 he can send me at break if using that for a GPU to save extra money (in general or to put towards other parts) is the play.

A 760 is bare minimum for today's games even at low settings, but if it's free you could go for it until you can save for a better one. You could definitely squeeze in a PC with a stupidly faster CPU and GPU for 1000 than yours from 2013, though. The 9700f is just ok but I wouldn't go for Intel unless I were overclocking with a "K" cpu; a 3600 with B450 motherboard would be cheaper and basically as fast for 100 dollars less. 100 dollars is a lot with a 1000 dollar budget.
You could also get a 3700x if you want to pick up streaming.

[quote=Jarrett000]I'm running into hardware issues with my [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9y94n7]current build[/url] from 2013, so since the parts are 6 years old I figure I better start from scratch. I have a soft $1000 budget and would rather buy parts now (within this month) than later so my team can actually scrim.

The worst frames I ever get in TF2 are 90 in some pubs so I'd prefer if this new PC had any form of FPS boost in comparison at all so I can always have 3 digit FPS. I'm very used to not being able to stream without dropping a lot of frames, and only really getting to play games like GTA/Rust/Borderlands/Deus Ex/Witcher ect on all low settings without seeing serious performance issues. If any of this got to change for the better with a new build that'd be great, but if my budget only allows for this to remain the status quo then I can live with that. The most stressful thing that the PC will probably have to take is Cyberpunk I would imagine. I can play that on low too if needed but something higher would be nice. I prefer not to overclock but will if deemed necessary

I had a friend make a [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F7L8Mc]partial build.[/url] (missing GPU/harddrive/windows) but anyone that's helping me feel free to build your own thing if you see something better.

Edit: I forgot to mention I can reuse the harddrive/PSU/case short term if it fits with the build and softens the budget, and replace the old parts sometime in 2020 when I have more money. Bear also has an old GTX 760 he can send me at break if using that for a GPU to save extra money (in general or to put towards other parts) is the play.[/quote]

A 760 is bare minimum for today's games even at low settings, but if it's free you could go for it until you can save for a better one. You could definitely squeeze in a PC with a stupidly faster CPU and GPU for 1000 than yours from 2013, though. The 9700f is just ok but I wouldn't go for Intel unless I were overclocking with a "K" cpu; a 3600 with B450 motherboard would be cheaper and basically as fast for 100 dollars less. 100 dollars is a lot with a 1000 dollar budget.
You could also get a 3700x if you want to pick up streaming.
3471
#3471
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Ignore compatibility warnings, everything will work out of the box
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vpdK4n

Ignore compatibility warnings, everything will work out of the box
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vpdK4n
3472
#3472
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#3468
Other than selling the old build I see no reason to replace the PSU and HDD at all. You could get a new case if you want one, but it's not necessary either.
The PSU should still last a few years minimum. The HDD is going to die eventually, but if you do have backups it doesn't matter and if you don't you're just playing the odds and hoping that you don't get fucked because any HDD could die at any time (more likely when it's brand new and then again increasingly likely as it gets old).

To get you from 90 to 100+ fps won't require overclocking at all so we can skip that as well.
A GPU upgrade should be quite easy as well. Even an RX 560 or GTX 1050 is faster than a 7850 and a GTX 760 loses to 1050 Ti and is hopelessly outclassed by an RX 570, neither of which are particularly expensive.

The partial build is all over the place. New cooler (not a great one at that and virtually identical to the one you already got) and Z390 mobo (most expensive, but allows overclocking and >2666 MHz RAM) but a locked CPU and 2666 MHz RAM? So yeah, don't get that. Either overclocking all the way or none of the way.

1000$ should be more than enough. It's mostly about the balance you want and if you're going to keep anything or start from scratch.
You can easily get a 3700X, 5700 XT and a nice 1 TB NVMe SSD.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($97.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB TUF Gaming X3 OC Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Optical Drive: HP 624192-B21 DVD/CD Writer (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $964.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 11:44 EST-0500

Of course if you don't think you'll need 8 cores / 16 threads because even a bit less would be quite an improvement for streaming you can do that and drop down to 6 cores to get a new case/PSU or a better GPU. The opposite is possible as well. If you want 12 cores you can get them, but you'd have to get a GPU that's only twice as fast as your current one instead of 4-5 times as fast. Or 6 cores and 3x GPU performance to save some money because that's still a huge upgrade? The choice is yours.

#3469
B365 only supports 2666 MHz RAM.

#3470
This guy speaks the truth.

#3471
Not guaranteed if it's old stock.
I like the Tomahawk too but went with the Gaming Plus because being able to update the BIOS without a CPU just in case is the safer option.

#3468
Other than selling the old build I see no reason to replace the PSU and HDD at all. You could get a new case if you want one, but it's not necessary either.
The PSU should still last a few years minimum. The HDD is going to die eventually, but if you do have backups it doesn't matter and if you don't you're just playing the odds and hoping that you don't get fucked because any HDD could die at any time (more likely when it's brand new and then again increasingly likely as it gets old).

To get you from 90 to 100+ fps won't require overclocking at all so we can skip that as well.
A GPU upgrade should be quite easy as well. Even an RX 560 or GTX 1050 is faster than a 7850 and a GTX 760 loses to 1050 Ti and is hopelessly outclassed by an RX 570, neither of which are particularly expensive.

The partial build is all over the place. New cooler (not a great one at that and virtually identical to the one you already got) and Z390 mobo (most expensive, but allows overclocking and >2666 MHz RAM) but a locked CPU and 2666 MHz RAM? So yeah, don't get that. Either overclocking all the way or none of the way.

1000$ should be more than enough. It's mostly about the balance you want and if you're going to keep anything or start from scratch.
You can easily get a 3700X, 5700 XT and a nice 1 TB NVMe SSD.
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Jf3tp]PCPartPicker Part List[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box]AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor[/url] ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3YhKHx/msi-b450-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus]MSI B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] ($94.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GmrYcf/geil-evo-potenza-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-gapb416gb3200c16adc]GeIL EVO POTENZA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory[/url] ($54.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9nhKHx/intel-660p-series-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknw010t8x1]Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive[/url] ($97.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gV8Zxr/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1002faex]Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (Purchased For $0.00)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMcRsY/asus-radeon-rx-5700-xt-8-gb-tuf-gaming-x3-oc-video-card-tuf-3-rx5700xt-o8g-gaming]Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB TUF Gaming X3 OC Video Card[/url] ($389.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vX6BD3/rosewill-case-r5]Rosewill R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (Purchased For $0.00)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R7V48d/seasonic-power-supply-ssr650rm]SeaSonic 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (Purchased For $0.00)
[b]Optical Drive:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sQXfrH/hp-optical-drive-624192b21]HP 624192-B21 DVD/CD Writer[/url] (Purchased For $0.00)
[b]Total:[/b] $964.95
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by [url=https://pcpartpicker.com]PCPartPicker[/url] 2019-11-14 11:44 EST-0500[/i]

Of course if you don't think you'll need 8 cores / 16 threads because even a bit less would be quite an improvement for streaming you can do that and drop down to 6 cores to get a new case/PSU or a better GPU. The opposite is possible as well. If you want 12 cores you can get them, but you'd have to get a GPU that's only twice as fast as your current one instead of 4-5 times as fast. Or 6 cores and 3x GPU performance to save some money because that's still a huge upgrade? The choice is yours.

#3469
B365 only supports 2666 MHz RAM.

#3470
This guy speaks the truth.

#3471
Not guaranteed if it's old stock.
I like the Tomahawk too but went with the Gaming Plus because being able to update the BIOS without a CPU just in case is the safer option.
3473
#3473
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Setsul#3469
B365 only supports 2666 MHz RAM.

it's the cheapest ddr4 kit for sale right now, it's not as though he can't just run it at a lower clock, also ryzen for pure gaming is just a waste, it still gets outperformed by intel. same for nvme ssds, just a waste of money unless you are using your computer as a workstation. Also if he plans on streaming a turing gpu will be able to output better/similar quality to x264, especially in high motion games.

[quote=Setsul]
#3469
B365 only supports 2666 MHz RAM.[/quote]
it's the cheapest ddr4 kit for sale right now, it's not as though he can't just run it at a lower clock, also ryzen for pure gaming is just a waste, it still gets outperformed by intel. same for nvme ssds, just a waste of money unless you are using your computer as a workstation. Also if he plans on streaming a turing gpu will be able to output better/similar quality to x264, especially in high motion games.
3474
#3474
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Timings tend to be suboptimal. I mean if it needs 1.35V to get to 3200CL16 it's not going to be that great with 1.2V at 2666.
If he's streaming it's not pure gaming. Also generalizing this to a "Intel always outperforms AMD" in games is wrong. You're forgetting that this isn't the usual comparision of 9900K vs 3900X with >3000 MHz RAM for both that everyone has done. Sure, that's a 5-6% difference on average, but this would be 3600(X)/3700X vs 9700(F). PBO/AutoOC will still push the 3600/3700X to about the same clocks as the 3900X. Sure, they all struggle to reach the 4.6 GHz that the 3900X should nominally get, but the point is that they all get extremely similar clocks and single threaded performance. Not ideal for AMD, good for their customers. On the other side the 9700(F) will absolutely not run at 5.0 because it's only rated for 4.7. That's already more than 5% gone. Add the lower TDP and baseclock and it will definitely lose on average. Sure it'll still win in some games, but so does a 3900X against a 9900K and you wouldn't say that that one is faster either. Then you realize that it won't be the same RAM, rather 3200 for the 3700X vs 2666 for the 9700(F) and it's really not salvageable anymore.
If you want to complain about the price difference compare the 9700 and 3600(X). 6c/12t isn't going to lose to 8c//8t in multithreaded workloads either.

EDIT: Don't forget that the jcc fix costs another 0-4% according to Intel (and Intel will always use rather optimistic numbers) so all Skylake/Coffee Lake benchmarks would have to be redone to get the current performance.

NVENC vs x264 isn't that simple either. Sure, OBS/Twitch can't use better encoders like x265, VP9 or AV1, but it doesn't support Turing HEVC or even H264-slow either (although OBS is slowly catching up). Turing NVENC still wins against x264 at 1440p or 4K or at presets like faster or veryfast. But 1080p? Things are a bit different. And on an 8 core you're really not going to use veryfast.
Not a clear win for either side. No CPU load is quite nice so that's a point for GPU encoding, but on the other hand as soon as x264/H264 isn't the only choice anymore the balance shifts in favour of CPUs again. Can't update hardware encoding after all. This would be easy if high CPU load wasn't tolerable or a lot of cores were important for another workload, but the way it is he doesn't "have to" choose GPU or CPU encoding, both would work.

Timings tend to be suboptimal. I mean if it needs 1.35V to get to 3200CL16 it's not going to be that great with 1.2V at 2666.
If he's streaming it's not pure gaming. Also generalizing this to a "Intel always outperforms AMD" in games is wrong. You're forgetting that this isn't the usual comparision of 9900K vs 3900X with >3000 MHz RAM for both that everyone has done. Sure, that's a 5-6% difference on average, but this would be 3600(X)/3700X vs 9700(F). PBO/AutoOC will still push the 3600/3700X to about the same clocks as the 3900X. Sure, they all struggle to reach the 4.6 GHz that the 3900X should nominally get, but the point is that they all get extremely similar clocks and single threaded performance. Not ideal for AMD, good for their customers. On the other side the 9700(F) will absolutely not run at 5.0 because it's only rated for 4.7. That's already more than 5% gone. Add the lower TDP and baseclock and it will definitely lose on average. Sure it'll still win in some games, but so does a 3900X against a 9900K and you wouldn't say that that one is faster either. Then you realize that it won't be the same RAM, rather 3200 for the 3700X vs 2666 for the 9700(F) and it's really not salvageable anymore.
If you want to complain about the price difference compare the 9700 and 3600(X). 6c/12t isn't going to lose to 8c//8t in multithreaded workloads either.

EDIT: Don't forget that the jcc fix costs another 0-4% according to Intel (and Intel will always use rather optimistic numbers) so all Skylake/Coffee Lake benchmarks would have to be redone to get the current performance.

NVENC vs x264 isn't that simple either. Sure, OBS/Twitch can't use better encoders like x265, VP9 or AV1, but it doesn't support Turing HEVC or even H264-slow either (although OBS is slowly catching up). Turing NVENC still wins against x264 at 1440p or 4K or at presets like faster or veryfast. But 1080p? Things are a bit different. And on an 8 core you're really not going to use veryfast.
Not a clear win for either side. No CPU load is quite nice so that's a point for GPU encoding, but on the other hand as soon as x264/H264 isn't the only choice anymore the balance shifts in favour of CPUs again. Can't update hardware encoding after all. This would be easy if high CPU load wasn't tolerable or a lot of cores were important for another workload, but the way it is he doesn't "have to" choose GPU or CPU encoding, both would work.
3475
#3475
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I just traded my Palit 1060 Dual and a bit of money for a used Palit 1070 Ti Dual.
Furmark temps with 1060 were under 70 (that is without any custom fan profiles). 1070 Ti however, gets to 82 in just 3 minutes and stays there (with a custom profile and 96% fan speed).

Shold I be worried?

I just traded my Palit 1060 Dual and a bit of money for a used Palit 1070 Ti Dual.
Furmark temps with 1060 were under 70 (that is without any custom fan profiles). 1070 Ti however, gets to 82 in just 3 minutes and stays there (with a custom profile and 96% fan speed).

Shold I be worried?
3476
#3476
0 Frags +
INSI just traded my Palit 1060 Dual and a bit of money for a used Palit 1070 Ti Dual.
Furmark temps with 1060 were under 70 (that is without any custom fan profiles). 1070 Ti however, gets to 82 in just 3 minutes and stays there (with a custom profile and 96% fan speed).

Shold I be worried?

Probably just needs repasted. Either way i hope you didn't spend much. Pascal is dead.

[quote=INS]I just traded my Palit 1060 Dual and a bit of money for a used Palit 1070 Ti Dual.
Furmark temps with 1060 were under 70 (that is without any custom fan profiles). 1070 Ti however, gets to 82 in just 3 minutes and stays there (with a custom profile and 96% fan speed).

Shold I be worried?[/quote]
Probably just needs repasted. Either way i hope you didn't spend much. Pascal is dead.
3477
#3477
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What custom fan profile did you set? 82°C is the default temperature target iirc so the fan is probably spinning up to keep it there.
Furmark isn't exactly a normal load and a GPU with the same cooler but 50% higher TDP will run hotter. If it can handle the absolute worst case like Furmark while (barely) keeping the target temperature it should be absolutely fine under normal load.
It's a used GPU but less than 2 years old so don't expect any miracles from repasting. You're not going get 70°C with that cooler while burning 300W.

What custom fan profile did you set? 82°C is the default temperature target iirc so the fan is probably spinning up to keep it there.
Furmark isn't exactly a normal load and a GPU with the same cooler but 50% higher TDP will run hotter. If it can handle the absolute worst case like Furmark while (barely) keeping the target temperature it should be absolutely fine under normal load.
It's a used GPU but less than 2 years old so don't expect any miracles from repasting. You're not going get 70°C with that cooler while burning 300W.
3478
#3478
0 Frags +
SetsulWhat custom fan profile did you set? 82°C is the default temperature target iirc so the fan is probably spinning up to keep it there.
Furmark isn't exactly a normal load and a GPU with the same cooler but 50% higher TDP will run hotter. If it can handle the absolute worst case like Furmark while (barely) keeping the target temperature it should be absolutely fine under normal load.
It's a used GPU but less than 2 years old so don't expect any miracles from repasting. You're not going get 70°C with that cooler while burning 300W.

https://puu.sh/EEUjr/8574a85063.png

Temp limit is at 83 in MSI Afterburner
It gets to 82 without custom profile as well, just faster.

[quote=Setsul]What custom fan profile did you set? 82°C is the default temperature target iirc so the fan is probably spinning up to keep it there.
Furmark isn't exactly a normal load and a GPU with the same cooler but 50% higher TDP will run hotter. If it can handle the absolute worst case like Furmark while (barely) keeping the target temperature it should be absolutely fine under normal load.
It's a used GPU but less than 2 years old so don't expect any miracles from repasting. You're not going get 70°C with that cooler while burning 300W.[/quote]
[img]https://puu.sh/EEUjr/8574a85063.png[/img]
Temp limit is at 83 in MSI Afterburner
It gets to 82 without custom profile as well, just faster.
3479
#3479
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Well the 96% seem fine then.
Does it run cooler on actual benchmarks like Unigine Heaven/Valley or whatever?
If the noise isn't bothering you you can leave it as is. If you've got thermal paste lying around you could repaste it but it doesn't seem necessary.

Well the 96% seem fine then.
Does it run cooler on actual benchmarks like Unigine Heaven/Valley or whatever?
If the noise isn't bothering you you can leave it as is. If you've got thermal paste lying around you could repaste it but it doesn't seem necessary.
3480
#3480
0 Frags +
SetsulWell the 96% seem fine then.
Does it run cooler on actual benchmarks like Unigine Heaven/Valley or whatever?
If the noise isn't bothering you you can leave it as is. If you've got thermal paste lying around you could repaste it but it doesn't seem necessary.

https://puu.sh/EEXZy/2bf24cae32.png

Don't care about the noise.
Can't repaste yet because the seller guy gave me 2 weeks to test it out and asked me not to touch all the warranty stuff.

Also, how can it not handle target temparature if it's literally limited to 83 by MSI Afterburner. I'm pretty sure it drops clocks when it gets up to 82 & close to 83 just to keep it at that level.

[quote=Setsul]Well the 96% seem fine then.
Does it run cooler on actual benchmarks like Unigine Heaven/Valley or whatever?
If the noise isn't bothering you you can leave it as is. If you've got thermal paste lying around you could repaste it but it doesn't seem necessary.[/quote]
[img]https://puu.sh/EEXZy/2bf24cae32.png[/img]
Don't care about the noise.
Can't repaste yet because the seller guy gave me 2 weeks to test it out and asked me not to touch all the warranty stuff.

Also, how can it not handle target temparature if it's literally limited to 83 by MSI Afterburner. I'm pretty sure it drops clocks when it gets up to 82 & close to 83 just to keep it at that level.
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