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#211
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sheepy_dogs_hand
I disagree, I don't think a few scientists disagreeing with it means it isn't true.

at least 150 scientists and literally the journal it was published in considering it later published an audit saying the original study should have never made it through peer review and a counter study that concluded the original study was flawed

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]

I disagree, I don't think a few scientists disagreeing with it means it isn't true.[/quote]

[i]at least[/i] 150 scientists and literally the journal it was published in considering it later published an audit saying the original study should have never made it through peer review [i]and[/i] a counter study that concluded the original study was flawed
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#212
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sheepy_dogs_handDrPloxoThe wall he posted showed it is more than likely not true.

Are You Illiterate?

I disagree, I don't think a few scientists disagreeing with it means it isn't true. Also it's been proven that being homosexual has many negatives compared to being heterosexual and I would think the same goes for raising a child.
AvastYeah anyone that replies to a scientific analysis with the summary of "wall" should not be engaging in any sort of intellectual debate because it is clear you don't have a brain.

If you can't take the time to read analysis then you don't deserve to have scientific opinions. Please leave this thread sheepy unless you plan on using your brain.

Calm down buddy I did read what you posted and I only changed it to "wall" so it would take up less space when I quoted you.

Yeah its clear you didn't really read the study considering how poor your counter-argument was so when you quoted the well done post as "wall" I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions by saying you should stay away from scientific articles.

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=DrPloxo]
The wall he posted showed it is more than likely not true.

Are You Illiterate?[/quote]

I disagree, I don't think a few scientists disagreeing with it means it isn't true. Also it's been proven that being homosexual has many negatives compared to being heterosexual and I would think the same goes for raising a child.

[quote=Avast]Yeah anyone that replies to a scientific analysis with the summary of "wall" should not be engaging in any sort of intellectual debate because it is clear you don't have a brain.

If you can't take the time to read analysis then you don't deserve to have scientific opinions. Please leave this thread sheepy unless you plan on using your brain.[/quote]

Calm down buddy I did read what you posted and I only changed it to "wall" so it would take up less space when I quoted you.[/quote]

Yeah its clear you didn't really read the study considering how poor your counter-argument was so when you quoted the well done post as "wall" I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions by saying you should stay away from scientific articles.
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LsRainbows
at least 150 scientists and literally the journal it was published in considering it later published an audit saying the original study should have never made it through peer review

Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me. You are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.

[quote=LsRainbows]

[i]at least[/i] 150 scientists and literally the journal it was published in considering it later published an audit saying the original study should have never made it through peer review[/quote]

Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me. You are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.
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#214
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i read the title of the thread and read the last page of this thread and expected related discussion

fuck me right

i read the title of the thread and read the last page of this thread and expected related discussion

fuck me right
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#215
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u see because you're either

1.) autistic
or
2.) literally retarded

you don't understand how science works

please seek mental help u are a pedophile and a lunatic :)

u see because you're either

1.) autistic
or
2.) literally retarded

you don't understand how science works

please seek mental help u are a pedophile and a lunatic :)
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#216
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hoolifatswimdude"hey im not being intolerant but i cant tolerate your lifestyle"

its not just that ur opinion is bad, ur just saying words that dont make sense when u put them together in a sentence
It's more like "yeah man I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages"

Have you never had friends with different opinions than you? Both parties can tolerate the other without indulging in it.

if your argument was only "I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages" then you'd have something to talk about, but considering the context of this thread, its hard to interpret that as anything homosexuals are bad at marriage, rather than any social problems homosexuals face might make successful marriages more difficult.

[quote=hooli][quote=fatswimdude]"hey im not being intolerant but i cant tolerate your lifestyle"

its not just that ur opinion is bad, ur just saying words that dont make sense when u put them together in a sentence[/quote]
It's more like "yeah man I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages"

Have you never had friends with different opinions than you? Both parties can tolerate the other without indulging in it.[/quote]
if your argument was [i]only[/i] "I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages" then you'd have something to talk about, but considering the context of this thread, its hard to interpret that as anything homosexuals are bad at marriage, rather than any social problems homosexuals face might make successful marriages more difficult.
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#217
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eeeu see because you're either

1.) autistic
or
2.) literally retarded

you don't understand how science works

please seek mental help u are a pedophile and a lunatic :)

woah elliott thats pretty rude u shouldn't be rude to people its intolerant!

[quote=eee]u see because you're either

1.) autistic
or
2.) literally retarded

you don't understand how science works

please seek mental help u are a pedophile and a lunatic :)[/quote]

woah elliott thats pretty rude u shouldn't be rude to people its intolerant!
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#218
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im a rude dude, dude sorry i hurt yr feelings

im a rude dude, dude sorry i hurt yr feelings
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#219
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#220
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sheepy_dogs_hand
Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me.

1. It proves your claim has no scientific basis and is instead a product of your own preconceived biases

sheepy_dogs_handYou are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.

2.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false
and a direct link to the article
http://faculty.law.miami.edu/mcoombs/documents/Stacey_Biblarz.pdf

note that this is a meta-analysis of multiple studies

studyToward this end, we examined the findings of 21 psychological studies (listed at the bottom of the Table 1)
published between 1981 and 1998 that we considered best equipped to address sociological questions about how
parental sexual orientation matters to chil- dren. One meta-analysis of 18 such studies (11 of which are included among our 21) characteristically concludes that"the results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the
heterosexual and homosexual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and sexual orientation of the
child(ren)
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]

Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me. [/quote]

1. It proves your claim has no scientific basis and is instead a product of your own preconceived biases
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
You are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.[/quote]

2.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false
and a direct link to the article
http://faculty.law.miami.edu/mcoombs/documents/Stacey_Biblarz.pdf

note that this is a meta-analysis of multiple studies

[quote=study]Toward this end, we examined the findings of 21 psychological studies (listed at the bottom of the Table 1)
published between 1981 and 1998 that we considered best equipped to address sociological questions about how
parental sexual orientation matters to chil- dren. One meta-analysis of 18 such studies (11 of which are included among our 21) characteristically concludes that"the results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the
heterosexual and homosexual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and sexual orientation of the
child(ren)


[/quote]
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#221
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Been away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

I'm starting to notice an interesting trend.

We have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."

Conservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy. The same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual. The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

Most liberals in this thread seem to feel that everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want to their bodies and behave however they want "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". If that means identifying as a straight individual or as a dragon lady, or a blind person with no legs (because they cut them off) its all good and they don't need any psychological treatment. I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm). Do you see how tolerance of accepting a 52 year old man as a 6 year old girl, could lead to quite a big problem in some environments? You have to look at both sides of the coin. Sure if that 52 year old man that thinks he is a 6 year old girl lives in an isolated environment, no one would really care about how he acts or behaves or what restroom he enters. But when the individual enters normal society and expects everyone to bend over backwards to accommodate his needs at their expense, it becomes a problem.

Been away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

I'm starting to notice an interesting trend.

We have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."

Conservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy. The same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual. The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

Most liberals in this thread seem to feel that everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want to their bodies and behave however they want "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". If that means identifying as a straight individual or as a dragon lady, or a blind person with no legs (because they cut them off) its all good and they don't need any psychological treatment. I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm). Do you see how tolerance of accepting a 52 year old man as a 6 year old girl, could lead to quite a big problem in some environments? You have to look at both sides of the coin. Sure if that 52 year old man that thinks he is a 6 year old girl lives in an isolated environment, no one would really care about how he acts or behaves or what restroom he enters. But when the individual enters normal society and expects everyone to bend over backwards to accommodate his needs at their expense, it becomes a problem.
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#222
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You guys are like hawks -4 frags in 120 seconds, I'm impressed! :D

You guys are like hawks -4 frags in 120 seconds, I'm impressed! :D
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#223
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"they don't need any psychological treatment"

man you literally have no idea how most people want to handle trans people

and considering sheepy and co. regularly shit on entire races, orientations, and religions, calling them retarded is still the lesser of two evils

"they don't need any psychological treatment"

man you [i]literally[/i] have no idea how most people want to handle trans people

and considering sheepy and co. regularly shit on entire races, orientations, and religions, calling them retarded is still the lesser of two evils
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LsRainbowssheepy_dogs_hand
Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me.

1. It proves your claim has no scientific basis and is instead a product of your own preconceived biasessheepy_dogs_handYou are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.
2.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false
and a direct link to the article
http://faculty.law.miami.edu/mcoombs/documents/Stacey_Biblarz.pdf

note that this is a meta-analysis of multiple studies
studyToward this end, we examined the findings of 21 psychological studies (listed at the bottom of the Table 1)
published between 1981 and 1998 that we considered best equipped to address sociological questions about how
parental sexual orientation matters to chil- dren. One meta-analysis of 18 such studies (11 of which are included among our 21) characteristically concludes that"the results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the
heterosexual and homosexual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and sexual orientation of the
child(ren)

ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.

[quote=LsRainbows][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]

Yes this doesn't prove anything about me being wrong about heterosexual marriages being better for a child growing up. I could probably find other studies because it seems logical to me. [/quote]

1. It proves your claim has no scientific basis and is instead a product of your own preconceived biases
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
You are trying to argue that homosexual marriages and heterosexual marriages are exactly the same and it make's no difference how many mothers or fathers you have, if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance but from my own sense and research it seems like you are wrong about this.[/quote]

2.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false
and a direct link to the article
http://faculty.law.miami.edu/mcoombs/documents/Stacey_Biblarz.pdf

note that this is a meta-analysis of multiple studies

[quote=study]Toward this end, we examined the findings of 21 psychological studies (listed at the bottom of the Table 1)
published between 1981 and 1998 that we considered best equipped to address sociological questions about how
parental sexual orientation matters to chil- dren. One meta-analysis of 18 such studies (11 of which are included among our 21) characteristically concludes that"the results demonstrate no differences on any measures between the
heterosexual and homosexual parents regarding parenting styles, emotional adjustment, and sexual orientation of the
child(ren)


[/quote][/quote]

ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.
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#225
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eee"they don't need any psychological treatment"

man you literally have no idea how most people want to handle trans people

Care to enlighten me with what you mean by that?

I'm aware that there are some "extremists" that wouldn't mind just shooting them. I'm not one of those people, I think they need to be loved and cared for just like any human deserves. But I think they need psychological treatment and guidance and just need good friends and family to support them, in the same way someone needs support if they are going through depression.

[quote=eee]"they don't need any psychological treatment"

man you [i]literally[/i] have no idea how most people want to handle trans people[/quote]

Care to enlighten me with what you mean by that?

I'm aware that there are some "extremists" that wouldn't mind just shooting them. I'm not one of those people, I think they need to be loved and cared for just like any human deserves. But I think they need psychological treatment and guidance and just need good friends and family to support them, in the same way someone needs support if they are going through depression.
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#226
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OH BOY I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE, BUT,

hooli I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm).

do you want to know how many proven assaults there are from trans people to others in bathrooms? it's a big fat whopping zero. inversely, trans people are more likely to be the ones assaulted in bathrooms, not the other way around.

you want to know how mental illnesses are treated, usually? you're given medication and therapy to stop or control the symptoms or irrational thoughts. a lot of mental illnesses never fully go away, but, with proper help, you are able to better control the symptoms and manage your life better.

you want to know how NOT to treat being trans? it's trying to make a person stop being trans. (i implore you to google the evils of conversion therapy and why it's bad and honestly if you don't think how evil it is you're kind of a lost cause. actually here, have an article because you probably don't. have another helpful link, even).

you want to know what is treated? the dysphoria. transitioning is what helps ease the dysphoria and help the trans person live a more happy and comfortable life. and that's where the comparison to mental illness falls flat. treatment doesn't make someone stop being trans. trying to make someone stop being trans does nothing but hurt them. i even linked this a couple pages ago, it's right in the DSM-V that being trans is, in itself, not a mental disorder, and what should be treated is the dysphoria surrounding it.

It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.

what helps trans people being able to live as themselves and if you seriously think this is comparable to cutting off your leg then pls google the term "false equivalence" because jesus christ it's like talking to a brick wall

OH BOY I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE, BUT,
[quote=hooli] I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm).[/quote]

do you want to know how many proven assaults there are from trans people to others in bathrooms? [url=http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533]it's a big fat whopping zero.[/url] [url=http://www.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/06/25/transgender-people-are-harassed-and-assaulted-in-public-bathrooms-survey-says]inversely, trans people are more likely to be the ones assaulted in bathrooms, not the other way around.[/url]

you want to know how mental illnesses are treated, usually? you're given medication and therapy to stop or control the symptoms or irrational thoughts. a lot of mental illnesses never fully go away, but, with proper help, you are able to better control the symptoms and manage your life better.

you want to know how NOT to treat being trans? it's trying to make a person stop being trans. (i implore you to google the evils of conversion therapy and why it's bad and honestly if you don't think how evil it is you're kind of a lost cause. actually here, [url=http://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy]have an article[/url] because you probably don't. have [url=http://www.nclrights.org/bornperfect-the-facts-about-conversion-therapy/]another helpful link[/url], even).

you want to know what is treated? the dysphoria. transitioning is what helps ease the dysphoria and help the trans person live a more happy and comfortable life. and that's where the comparison to mental illness falls flat. treatment doesn't make someone stop being trans. trying to make someone stop being trans does nothing but hurt them. i even linked this a couple pages ago, [url=http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf]it's right in the DSM-V[/url] that being trans is, in itself, not a mental disorder, and what should be treated is the dysphoria surrounding it.
[quote]It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria
is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.[/quote]

what helps trans people being able to live as themselves and if you seriously think this is comparable to cutting off your leg then pls google the term "false equivalence" because jesus christ it's like talking to a brick wall
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#227
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have u even bothered to look into the basics of treatment for GD? People aren't just doing reassignment with no prior counseling or attempts at resolution dude, the entire reason people are supposed to be accepting of anyone who's transgender is because its a lot easier for them to feel like themselves and any other treatment doesn't work as well

have u even bothered to look into the basics of treatment for GD? People aren't just doing reassignment with no prior counseling or attempts at resolution dude, the entire reason people are supposed to be accepting of anyone who's transgender is because its a lot easier for them to feel like themselves and any other treatment doesn't work as well
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#228
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dollarlayerWe have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster When a person makes an extremely poorly reasoned argument often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."

I try to avoid name calling but its exceedingly hard when people do incredible things like post articles that state exactly the opposite of what they are claiming it says

dollarlayerConservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy for having intolerant, racist opinions

dont wanna get called a racist/bigot etc, dont post racist/bigoted stuff

dollarlayerThe same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual.

"People who criticize _______ are the real _______!"

Please. heard it all before. You want to spout stupid stuff and not be criticized about it. Yawn.

dollarlayerThe liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

l m a o

[quote=dollarlayer]
We have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). [s]When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster[/s] [i]When a person makes an extremely poorly reasoned argument[/i] often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."[/quote]

I try to avoid name calling but its exceedingly hard when people do incredible things like post articles that state exactly the opposite of what they are claiming it says

[quote=dollarlayer]Conservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for [s]not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy[/s] [i]for having intolerant, racist opinions[/i][/quote]

dont wanna get called a racist/bigot etc, dont post racist/bigoted stuff

[quote=dollarlayer]The same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual. [/quote]

"People who criticize _______ are the real _______!"

Please. heard it all before. You want to spout stupid stuff and not be criticized about it. Yawn.

[quote=dollarlayer]
The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.
[/quote]

[b]l m a o[/b]
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#229
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sheepy_dogs_handif you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance

lmao

sheepy_dogs_handok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.

how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance[/quote]

lmao

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.[/quote]

how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"
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#231
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hooliIt's more like "yeah man I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages"

The annual divorce rate of same-sex couples in the US is actually LOWER than hetereosexual couples: http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/relationship-data-2014/ (1.1% to 2.0%)

As far as the other "concern" that conservatives raise about same-sex couples, how children of same-sex couples fair, 78 studies have been conducted on the topic of if having same-sex parents effects a child's well being. 74 of those studies concluded that children of same-sex couples were no worse off than children of heterosexual couples. The 4 studies that did say there was some negative impact? Here's what an article published by the Colombia Law School has to say on those four articles: " We identified four studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents face added disadvantages. Since all four took their samples from children who endured family break-ups, a cohort known to face added risks, these studies have been criticized by many scholars as unreliable assessments of the wellbeing of LGB-headed households. Taken together, this research forms an overwhelming scholarly consensus, based on over three decades of peer-reviewed research, that having a gay or lesbian parent does not harm children." http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

So yeah, you're just making shit up. If anything homosexual marriages are more successful.

[quote=hooli]It's more like "yeah man I don't really think homosexual marriages are as successful as heterosexual marriages"[/quote]

The annual divorce rate of same-sex couples in the US is actually LOWER than hetereosexual couples: http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/relationship-data-2014/ (1.1% to 2.0%)

As far as the other "concern" that conservatives raise about same-sex couples, how children of same-sex couples fair, 78 studies have been conducted on the topic of if having same-sex parents effects a child's well being. 74 of those studies concluded that children of same-sex couples were no worse off than children of heterosexual couples. The 4 studies that did say there was some negative impact? Here's what an article published by the Colombia Law School has to say on those four articles: " We identified four studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents face added disadvantages. Since all four took their samples from children who endured family break-ups, a cohort known to face added risks, these studies have been criticized by many scholars as unreliable assessments of the wellbeing of LGB-headed households. Taken together, this research forms an overwhelming scholarly consensus, based on over three decades of peer-reviewed research, that having a gay or lesbian parent does not harm children." http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

So yeah, you're just making shit up. If anything homosexual marriages are more successful.
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#232
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hoolisaturn_OH BOY I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE, BUT,hooli I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm).saturn i never posted that, i think you have a crush on me

i get bigots confused with each other, sorry :(

[quote=hooli][quote=saturn_]OH BOY I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE, BUT,
[quote=hooli] I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm).[/quote][/quote]
saturn i never posted that, i think you have a crush on me[/quote]
i get bigots confused with each other, sorry :(
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#233
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dollarlayerBeen away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

How is it even remotely possible to be this delusional. Literally nothing you or sheepy has posted has been of any substance. It has been refuted over and over and over again, with multiple credible sources. How can you possibly come to this conclusion after people have clearly explained directly in front of you why the things you both say and cite are wrong.

In fact the only person that has posted anything of substance who is "not a liberal" is hooli. And he has been posting some very different things, on average much more scientific and rational things, than either one of you.

And you have the audacity to make this claim while also claiming you're somehow being persecuted because we say mean words to you, the people who are invalidating and belittling an entire group of people, people who are killed and harassed on a daily basis?

At what point do we stop pretending this is a conversation and just acknowledge its you wanting to seem like you're morally superior by claiming victimhood while also trying to perpetuate harmful stereotypes.

[quote=dollarlayer]Been away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

[b] The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.[/b]

[/quote]

How is it even remotely possible to be this delusional. Literally nothing you or sheepy has posted has been of any substance. It has been refuted over and over and over again, with multiple credible sources. How can you possibly come to this conclusion after people have clearly explained directly in front of you why the things you both say and cite are wrong.

In fact the only person that has posted anything of substance who is "not a liberal" is hooli. And he has been posting some very different things, on average much more scientific and rational things, than either one of you.

And you have the audacity to make this claim while also claiming you're somehow being persecuted because we say mean words to you, the people who are invalidating and belittling an entire group of people, people who are killed and harassed on a daily basis?

At what point do we stop pretending this is a conversation and just acknowledge its you wanting to seem like you're morally superior by claiming victimhood while also trying to perpetuate harmful stereotypes.
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#234
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LsRainbowssheepy_dogs_handif you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance
lmao
sheepy_dogs_handok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.
how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.

[quote=LsRainbows][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance[/quote]

lmao

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.[/quote]

how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"[/quote]

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.
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#235
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dollarlayerBeen away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

I'm starting to notice an interesting trend.

We have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."

Conservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy. The same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual. The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

Most liberals in this thread seem to feel that everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want to their bodies and behave however they want "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". If that means identifying as a straight individual or as a dragon lady, or a blind person with no legs (because they cut them off) its all good and they don't need any psychological treatment. I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm). Do you see how tolerance of accepting a 52 year old man as a 6 year old girl, could lead to quite a big problem in some environments? You have to look at both sides of the coin. Sure if that 52 year old man that thinks he is a 6 year old girl lives in an isolated environment, no one would really care about how he acts or behaves or what restroom he enters. But when the individual enters normal society and expects everyone to bend over backwards to accommodate his needs at their expense, it becomes a problem.

this literally includes a strawman, false equivalence, and a slippery slope fallacy all in one fucking post. maybe even more. holy shit.

[quote=dollarlayer]Been away from this thread for a while, but I'd just like to echo that I agree with almost everything hooli's been posting.

I'm starting to notice an interesting trend.

We have some obvious liberals and then some people that fall more on the conservative side of the political spectrum (at least in regards to this subject). When a liberal disagrees with a conservative poster often times there are some direct attacks and name calling. Such as "you're an idiot" or "you have no brain" or "you are a retard."

Conservatives are labeled as being intolerant racists bigots for not accepting that being transsexual is not normal and doesn't require any mental treatment or therapy. The same liberals however are ironically being intolerant for not accepting that someone else may have a varying opinion on the subject and a varying idea on how to treat the individual. The liberals want to ban people and tell them to stop posting when the post a valid argument which they are unable to refute in many cases.

Most liberals in this thread seem to feel that everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want to their bodies and behave however they want "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone". If that means identifying as a straight individual or as a dragon lady, or a blind person with no legs (because they cut them off) its all good and they don't need any psychological treatment. I mean its not like a 52 year old man identifying as a 6 year old girl, in girls bathroom at an elementary school could be considered a problem by the kids or parents.... (/sarcasm). Do you see how tolerance of accepting a 52 year old man as a 6 year old girl, could lead to quite a big problem in some environments? You have to look at both sides of the coin. Sure if that 52 year old man that thinks he is a 6 year old girl lives in an isolated environment, no one would really care about how he acts or behaves or what restroom he enters. But when the individual enters normal society and expects everyone to bend over backwards to accommodate his needs at their expense, it becomes a problem.[/quote]
this literally includes a strawman, false equivalence, and a slippery slope fallacy all in one fucking post. maybe even more. holy shit.
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#236
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sheepy_dogs_handLsRainbowssheepy_dogs_handif you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance
lmao
sheepy_dogs_handok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.
how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.

Yeah if mean by some then you mean about 99% of all just about every actually objective, scientific study and the other 1% funded by "family values" groups. Then sure.

Face it, this isn't you having a different scientific opinion because science has a relatively unified stance on the topic based off evidence.

You just have an opinion, not fact. Which is your right, but it certainly doesn't make you right.

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=LsRainbows][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance[/quote]

lmao

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.[/quote]

how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"[/quote]

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.[/quote]

Yeah if mean by some then you mean about 99% of all just about every actually objective, scientific study and the other 1% funded by "family values" groups. Then sure.

Face it, this isn't you having a different scientific opinion because science has a relatively unified stance on the topic based off evidence.

You just have an opinion, not fact. Which is your right, but it certainly doesn't make you right.
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#237
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TF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :(

TF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :(
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#238
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eeeTF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :(

I don't think the conservatives could be weeaboos. It's not 1800s enough for them.

[quote=eee]TF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :([/quote]
I don't think the conservatives could be weeaboos. It's not 1800s enough for them.
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#239
11 Frags +
sheepy_dogs_handLsRainbowssheepy_dogs_handif you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance
lmao
sheepy_dogs_handok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.
how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.

I'm sorry man but you keep talking about these studies that prove your side right but you've yet to post one that credibly validates your assertion. As far as I'm concerned you can't just come at everyone strong and then when the odds are scientifically stacked against you just say "let's agree to disagree", that's not how debate or discourse works. You won't learn or grow intellectually as a human being if you only WANT to believe your opinion no matter the evidence against you.

But it is an internet cartoon game forum so I guess do whatever

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=LsRainbows][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]if you can find studies to support this I will give that idea a chance[/quote]

lmao

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]
ok im tired and can't be bothered so ill just say again what I said from the start. I do think that having straight parents has certain benefits considering being heterosexual has certain benefits. I have seen studies that say one thing and others that say something else and even so there is no way to prove any of this. I think having a father is a benefit compared to having 2 mothers because it's good to have a father figure and I do not think it is homophobic to think this like people here are saying.[/quote]

how quickly we went from that to "WELL THERES NO WAY TO PROVE ANYTHING SO IM JUST GONNA BELEIVE WHAT I BELIEVE"[/quote]

Well some of the studies follow your side and some follow my side. If there is no definitive proof and only studies that have different results then what should I believe other than what I believe.[/quote]

I'm sorry man but you keep talking about these studies that prove your side right but you've yet to post one that credibly validates your assertion. As far as I'm concerned you can't just come at everyone strong and then when the odds are scientifically stacked against you just say "let's agree to disagree", that's not how debate or discourse works. You won't learn or grow intellectually as a human being if you only WANT to believe your opinion no matter the evidence against you.

But it is an internet cartoon game forum so I guess do whatever
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#240
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fahrenheitI'm sorry man but you keep talking about these studies that prove your side right but you've yet to post one that credibly validates your assertion. As far as I'm concerned you can't just come at everyone strong and then when the odds are scientifically stacked against you just say "let's agree to disagree", that's not how debate works.

But it is an internet cartoon game forum so I guess do whatever

I already did post an imgur link of a study but whatever I must be wrong if everyone says so then. It only seemed logical to me that having 2 mothers and missing a father for your whole life would have some sort of negative impact.

eeeTF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :(

I'm not really a conservative, i'm against illegal immigration but apart from that I am pretty left wing.

[quote=fahrenheit]
I'm sorry man but you keep talking about these studies that prove your side right but you've yet to post one that credibly validates your assertion. As far as I'm concerned you can't just come at everyone strong and then when the odds are scientifically stacked against you just say "let's agree to disagree", that's not how debate works.

But it is an internet cartoon game forum so I guess do whatever[/quote]

I already did post an imgur link of a study but whatever I must be wrong if everyone says so then. It only seemed logical to me that having 2 mothers and missing a father for your whole life would have some sort of negative impact.


[quote=eee]TF.TV leftists: College educated young adults with bright futures and understanding of science

TF.TV conservatives: Smelly weeaboos and low income 40 year olds who peddle hatred and bigotry

enigma pls ban these losers they're making the site worse :([/quote]

I'm not really a conservative, i'm against illegal immigration but apart from that I am pretty left wing.
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