if you were to post credible sources and statistics to back up any of your claims without relying on completely rhetorical situations that wouldn't feasibly happen in real life & anecdotal evidence based on your experience with bathroom janitors then more people might be willing to listen to your bigoted claims masquerading as "opinions"

but, so far, you really haven't

people in this thread have done nothing but refute your arguments with sources and point out fallacies and suddenly it's just "liberal logic this liberals don't want to argue :( :( :(." like, never once have you actually responded to someone completely refuting your point & instead you just shifted onto another shitty argument

like your entire point of view is so incoherent that cleaning ladies make you vaguely uncomfortable and yet you're arguing that trans woman be forced into the same bathroom as you?? what the fuck are you on

cleaning ladies confirmed for evil transgender bathroom rapists

do you seriously think a non-passing trans person would try to go into the bathroom in the first place and completely disregard their own safety what the fuck

if you think perverts and rapists are going to just not enter bathrooms no matter what transgender laws exist you're seriously kidding yourself & if you seriously cared about victims of sexual assault you wouldn't be bring them up as a rhetorical gotcha against a group that's more statistically likely to be raped in the first place. do you think bathrooms forcing trans people into the bathroom that corresponds with their sex assigned to them at birth wouldn't be difficult to enforce, either?

it's kind of telling that you choose to ignore actual statistics in favor of cherry picked stories, none of which were committed by a trans person in the first place and rely on completely hypothetical situations as the basis for your arguments. do you think an entire group of people should be punished on the off chance that someone might do a bad thing when they go to pee? do you not see how stupid that is?

first of all, the incident you linked is from fucking 2013. in may 2013, no less. i think this speaks volumes about both your reading comprehension and your knee jerk "hurr trans people are predators" reaction.

http://i.imgur.com/tDYeIiE.png

lmao

& yeah i admit i was confused for a moment about who i was talking to bc both of your arguments kind of sound the same to me, but... one isolated incident changes the fact that trans people are actually at a higher risk to be assaulted in public bathroom? i watched the video and read the article and didn't even read one word about this person "identifying" as a woman. i think you have a serious case of confirmation bias, because the statistics are really, really against you, even if this person WAS a trans woman. did you ignore the links i posted? who the fuck am i kidding, of course you did. here's some more to drill it into your head:

Debunking The Big Myth About Transgender-Inclusive Bathrooms

PolitiFact NC: Virtually no cases of sexual predators benefiting from transgender anti-discrimination laws

here's a survey on trans people and bathroom assault. it focuses on the population of DC, however.

what's stopping someone of the same sex from video tape in the bathroom? hell, what's stopping cis men from going into the women's restroom in the first place? the sign of a stick figure in a dress? sexual predators don't need permission to enter restrooms. hell, i find it kind of sickening that you use rape as a rhetorical gotcha against a group that's is more likely to be victims of sexual assault, statistically. source 1 source 2 source 3. also a post on the whole bathroom law.

if you think "but i'm transgender" would be a defense that holds water when caught attacking someone in restroom then you might be kind of stupid.

trans people need to piss just like every other human being, shocker! do you think one of those cis woman you seem to care so much about would want a (trans) man that looks like this in their bathrooms, either? no?

personally, i think gendering bathrooms in the first place is dumb. but, as things are, these laws help no one.

"here's a study"
"here's why that study is bad, also links to more credible sources"
"no that's wrong because i said so. also i'm sure there are studies that prove my point of view out there somewhere, but, i mysteriously don't know where they are"

if you linked to actual, credible studies & sources then i'm sure people would be willing to listen to your bad "opinions." but, so far, none of you have.

i get bigots confused with each other, sorry :(

OH BOY I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA NOT POST IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE, BUT,

do you want to know how many proven assaults there are from trans people to others in bathrooms? it's a big fat whopping zero. inversely, trans people are more likely to be the ones assaulted in bathrooms, not the other way around.

you want to know how mental illnesses are treated, usually? you're given medication and therapy to stop or control the symptoms or irrational thoughts. a lot of mental illnesses never fully go away, but, with proper help, you are able to better control the symptoms and manage your life better.

you want to know how NOT to treat being trans? it's trying to make a person stop being trans. (i implore you to google the evils of conversion therapy and why it's bad and honestly if you don't think how evil it is you're kind of a lost cause. actually here, have an article because you probably don't. have another helpful link, even).

you want to know what is treated? the dysphoria. transitioning is what helps ease the dysphoria and help the trans person live a more happy and comfortable life. and that's where the comparison to mental illness falls flat. treatment doesn't make someone stop being trans. trying to make someone stop being trans does nothing but hurt them. i even linked this a couple pages ago, it's right in the DSM-V that being trans is, in itself, not a mental disorder, and what should be treated is the dysphoria surrounding it.

what helps trans people being able to live as themselves and if you seriously think this is comparable to cutting off your leg then pls google the term "false equivalence" because jesus christ it's like talking to a brick wall

please stop posting

ok i really wanna nip this one in the bud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

pls don't confuse it with the American Academy of Pediatrics

and for the record, no one under 18 would be given genital reassignment surgery. the most a minor would be given is puberty blockers and HRT at an older age. puberty blockers can have permanent effects on fertility, but, no way in hell would a young child who doesn't know what they're in for be given genital reassignment surgery lol it's kind of absurd to think that this actually happens. hell, HRT is hard enough to get enough as it is as an adult.

furthermore, this tries to assert the tired notion that being trans is in itself a mental illness. the APA says the exact opposite:

translation: being trans isn't a mental illness and what should be treated is the distress surrounding it.

they also try to rely on the desistance myth. hell, a recent study shows that trans kids with parents who embrace their trans identities are happy and healthy. they even cited the swedish study that didn't actually find any evidence that undergoing surgery contributed to higher suicide rates. which was also debunked last page with the 5456456 sources lsrainbows linked. the point that no child would be actually allowed to have genital reassignment surgery notwithstanding.

the ACP is just an anti-LGBT hate group masquerading as medical professionals lol

sorry if this isn't really coherent, i'm really tired rn

this "cultural difference" is that "lol gay people are funny weirdos" jokes aren't nearly as accepted as they used to be & i fail to see how this is a bad thing

homophobes and racists are still alive and well i assure u

If you think getting SRS is going to form a forcefield to stop being from being bigoted towards them then I think you're seriously kidding yourself.

No, transitioning isn't going to solve all trans people's problems. They're still going to have a mountain of violence against them. It's almost as if people are happier when they're allowed to be themselves! #woah

My last point is that not every trans person pursues or even wants surgery. It all depends on the individual.

The APA is the most influential psychology association in America and the DSM is widely regarded as a manual for psychiatric diagnosis. You argued that it was a disorder and brought up gender identity disorder. My point was that it has been reclassified, and that this is no longer the case. It's almost as if people in the medical field change terminology all the time and phase out old ones because they're inaccurate and sometimes harmful.

Where the fuck did you get this information from? It was a single article with a whopping sample size of 1 from 20 years ago. Please read things before you post about them.

re the suicide rate/depression thing: yeah it's almost as if society's widespread violence and bigotry against trans people and being raised to believe that you're a gender you're not can lead to being sad. Correlation isn't causation. It's honestly kind of appalling to see people bring up trans suicide rates as a gotcha without taking a second to think about why that is.