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UGC Sandbagging at its finest.
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#31
RGL.gg
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Gasol, my sandbagging team beat your team and you never made a thread about it 0.o

Gasol, my sandbagging team beat your team and you never made a thread about it 0.o
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#32
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musmausratonsourismyshhttp://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325

the second one isnt really sandbaggy at all and not sure how you can sandbag the top division. in fact if more good teams played in plat the divisions would get a better skill spread and people could take ugc more seriously.

[quote=musmausratonsourismysh]
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325[/quote]

the second one isnt really sandbaggy at all and not sure how you can sandbag the top division. in fact if more good teams played in plat the divisions would get a better skill spread and people could take ugc more seriously.
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#33
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arcadiaGasol, my sandbagging team beat your team and you never made a thread about it 0.o

I don't remember you at all. Unless you're a dan squad guy?

[quote=arcadia]Gasol, my sandbagging team beat your team and you never made a thread about it 0.o[/quote]
I don't remember you at all. Unless you're a dan squad guy?
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#34
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GasolliasI try to stay optimistic about getting shit on. Say in CS:GO the other team has a smurf. I try my best against the player that is ultimately better than me. I find that playing better and more challenging opposition makes me better faster than playing people my own skill level. Same thing in TF2, I learn more by getting shit on in Pug.me than playing low open inhouse pugs. It sucks but it's worth it.

Yeah sandbaggers suck but make the most out of it when you can =)

Sniper to mid isn't helping anyone though.

That doesn't have to necessarily be true, it makes you think about how to approach the mid differently. For example it can make you think how do I get my med from point a to b without being in sniper sights. Anyway sniper to mid is used (rarely) but definitely utilized in higher divisions.

[quote=Gasol][quote=lias]I try to stay optimistic about getting shit on. Say in CS:GO the other team has a smurf. I try my best against the player that is ultimately better than me. I find that playing better and more challenging opposition makes me better faster than playing people my own skill level. Same thing in TF2, I learn more by getting shit on in Pug.me than playing low open inhouse pugs. It sucks but it's worth it.

Yeah sandbaggers suck but make the most out of it when you can =)[/quote]

Sniper to mid isn't helping anyone though.[/quote]
That doesn't have to necessarily be true, it makes you think about how to approach the mid differently. For example it can make you think how do I get my med from point a to b without being in sniper sights. Anyway sniper to mid is used (rarely) but definitely utilized in higher divisions.
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#35
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Gasolhttp://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=4223

This team's roster has a combined total of 35 platinum seasons and they're playing in silver 6s. I played them today and they pretty much rolled us and very obviously threw 2 rounds to make it look at little close probably? I asked the admins beforehand how this was even allowed and come to find out they're buddy with an admin, surprise right?

http://i.imgur.com/bgEd7JX.png

This is really dumb I don't think any player with platinum experience should be allowed in silver let alone every single player on the roster. What do you guys think? I just need to get good fast and get on an open team.

First lets get some facts straight. Me and my friend Hildreth was on the team before, but we were roster riding. We had to get removed because the admins would have placed them in gold, which obviously they don't belong in gold. Some of them are off classing and are learning how to play that class. You have to check on history to see if they were even active on a previous team. A few of them are just getting back into TF2 competitive from being inactive. Its a fun team, they want to learn something new. It isn't right to place someone in a higher division, because you think they know how to play that class. Do log check first, and see the scrims before hand. The admins were aware of the situation, if not Hildreth and I would still be on the roster.

[quote=Gasol]http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=4223

This team's roster has a combined total of 35 platinum seasons and they're playing in silver 6s. I played them today and they pretty much rolled us and very obviously threw 2 rounds to make it look at little close probably? I asked the admins beforehand how this was even allowed and come to find out they're buddy with an admin, surprise right?

http://i.imgur.com/bgEd7JX.png

This is really dumb I don't think any player with platinum experience should be allowed in silver let alone every single player on the roster. What do you guys think? I just need to get good fast and get on an open team.[/quote]

First lets get some facts straight. Me and my friend Hildreth was on the team before, but we were roster riding. We had to get removed because the admins would have placed them in gold, which obviously they don't belong in gold. Some of them are off classing and are learning how to play that class. You have to check on history to see if they were even active on a previous team. A few of them are just getting back into TF2 competitive from being inactive. Its a fun team, they want to learn something new. It isn't right to place someone in a higher division, because you think they know how to play that class. Do log check first, and see the scrims before hand. The admins were aware of the situation, if not Hildreth and I would still be on the roster.
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#36
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liasGasolliasI try to stay optimistic about getting shit on. Say in CS:GO the other team has a smurf. I try my best against the player that is ultimately better than me. I find that playing better and more challenging opposition makes me better faster than playing people my own skill level. Same thing in TF2, I learn more by getting shit on in Pug.me than playing low open inhouse pugs. It sucks but it's worth it.

Yeah sandbaggers suck but make the most out of it when you can =)

Sniper to mid isn't helping anyone though.
That doesn't have to necessarily be true, it makes you think about how to approach the mid differently. For example it can make you think how do I get my med from point a to b without being in sniper sights. Anyway sniper to mid is used (rarely) but definitely utilized in higher divisions.

Sniper to mid makes me cry but I guess you are right. Do people actually do sniper to mid in esea?

[quote=lias][quote=Gasol][quote=lias]I try to stay optimistic about getting shit on. Say in CS:GO the other team has a smurf. I try my best against the player that is ultimately better than me. I find that playing better and more challenging opposition makes me better faster than playing people my own skill level. Same thing in TF2, I learn more by getting shit on in Pug.me than playing low open inhouse pugs. It sucks but it's worth it.

Yeah sandbaggers suck but make the most out of it when you can =)[/quote]

Sniper to mid isn't helping anyone though.[/quote]
That doesn't have to necessarily be true, it makes you think about how to approach the mid differently. For example it can make you think how do I get my med from point a to b without being in sniper sights. Anyway sniper to mid is used (rarely) but definitely utilized in higher divisions.[/quote]

Sniper to mid makes me cry but I guess you are right. Do people actually do sniper to mid in esea?
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#37
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Yes

Yes
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#38
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liasYes

I am crying irl right now.

[quote=lias]Yes[/quote]
I am crying irl right now.
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#39
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fatswimdudemusmausratonsourismyshhttp://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325

the second one isnt really sandbaggy at all and not sure how you can sandbag the top division. in fact if more good teams played in plat the divisions would get a better skill spread and people could take ugc more seriously.

the only reason this worked in HL is because there isn't a paid league for NA highlander like ESEA, so UGC plat was the only place to go. invite players aren't all gonna go to UGC to play 6s for no real gain

[quote=fatswimdude][quote=musmausratonsourismysh]
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325[/quote]

the second one isnt really sandbaggy at all and not sure how you can sandbag the top division. in fact if more good teams played in plat the divisions would get a better skill spread and people could take ugc more seriously.[/quote]
the only reason this worked in HL is because there isn't a paid league for NA highlander like ESEA, so UGC plat was the only place to go. invite players aren't all gonna go to UGC to play 6s for no real gain
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#40
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wtf we just showed up for matches, codexa just wanted to try demo for a season of 6s thats literally why that team was made we're just friends

i'm sorry

wtf we just showed up for matches, codexa just wanted to try demo for a season of 6s thats literally why that team was made we're just friends

i'm sorry
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#41
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Does Messiah Even Care?

Does Messiah Even Care?
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#42
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http://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png

http://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png
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#43
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Gasolhttp://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png

HIGHLANDER

[quote=Gasol]http://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png[/quote]
HIGHLANDER
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#44
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if u have the DM to be a plat HL player and you can't play silver 6s something is wrong with u as a human being

if u have the DM to be a plat HL player and you can't play silver 6s something is wrong with u as a human being
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#45
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i remember when i was in iron SteveC ran fulltime fish melee and shit on us

i remember when i was in iron SteveC ran fulltime fish melee and shit on us
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#46
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I mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me

I mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me
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#47
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messiah stop sandbagging you scumbag

and i'm pretty sure pulse doesn't even play tf2 anymore lol

messiah stop sandbagging you scumbag

and i'm pretty sure pulse doesn't even play tf2 anymore lol
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#48
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Se7enI mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me

it's completely understandable but it is funny that the only player u havent heard of on this list is the person who played in invite

[quote=Se7en]I mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me[/quote] it's completely understandable but it is funny that the only player u havent heard of on this list is the person who played in invite
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#49
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musmausratonsourismyshEvery league UGC, ESEA, whatever, is going to have player playing lower than their true capability for a variety for reasons. It might be a desire to dick around or they might not have time to play in a higher more serious division or maybe they just want to seem like gods. As long as people want to do this it isn't gonna stop, this is true in games like CS:GO too and I'm sure it's true in other games as well. If it's any consolation this is true in Gold and Plat

http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325

and if you want proof for ESEA just look at the top open teams from the last few seasons.

If you are going to complain about sandbagging at least link to the undefeated team in Gold lol

Also how do you sandbag the top division exactly?

[quote=musmausratonsourismysh]Every league UGC, ESEA, whatever, is going to have player playing lower than their true capability for a variety for reasons. It might be a desire to dick around or they might not have time to play in a higher more serious division or maybe they just want to seem like gods. As long as people want to do this it isn't gonna stop, this is true in games like CS:GO too and I'm sure it's true in other games as well. If it's any consolation this is true in Gold and Plat

http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=10255
http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=18325

and if you want proof for ESEA just look at the top open teams from the last few seasons.[/quote]
If you are going to complain about sandbagging at least link to the undefeated team in Gold lol

Also how do you sandbag the top division exactly?
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#50
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shruggerSe7enI mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me
it's completely understandable but it is funny that the only player u havent heard of on this list is the person who played in invite

rofl this was my exact thought. he's one of the only people on that list who I do recognize.

As for the bigger issue: sack up and accept that you lost. Nobody in any league is gonna move up a .500 team because they have players with experience.

[quote=shrugger][quote=Se7en]I mean, you can look at literally every player on the roster and make the analysis for yourself.

CrazyErika- Mains pyro, hasn't even started in a single season since season 11
Pulse- best spy in tf2 and amazing at every class like two years ago, but idk how good he is now AND from looking at his logs he hardly even plays for them
Misskay- Medmain, hasn't started since like season 8
Daft Kid- pyromain
Nokk- engiemain
WD whaz- never even heard of him
kyle- hl plat scout in like season 5?????
messiah- haven't seen him play in ages either, can't judge his skill

idk if this qualifies as blatant sandbagging but that's just me[/quote] it's completely understandable but it is funny that the only player u havent heard of on this list is the person who played in invite[/quote]

rofl this was my exact thought. he's one of the only people on that list who I do recognize.

As for the bigger issue: sack up and accept that you lost. Nobody in any league is gonna move up a .500 team because they have players with experience.
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#51
11 Frags +

I was the admin in charge of 6v6 placements this season. Just wanted to explain how I saw the situation since I'm being accused of wrongdoing here.

I told Codexa what the guidelines I had been placing with were, and we worked out which players had to be removed to fit the criteria I placed every other team by. It should be obvious that years-old HL experience doesn't carry as much weight as recent 6s experience.

My connection to them helped me understand exactly how good they are (having played with half of them), and it helped them understand what they needed to do to qualify for Silver. Not favoritism, just doing my job.

Sorry this match didn't go your way Gasol. Sandbagging is an issue that requires compromise, and you can't make everyone happy.

I was the admin in charge of 6v6 placements this season. Just wanted to explain how I saw the situation since I'm being accused of wrongdoing here.

I told Codexa what the guidelines I had been placing with were, and we worked out which players had to be removed to fit the criteria I placed every other team by. It should be obvious that years-old HL experience doesn't carry as much weight as recent 6s experience.

My connection to them helped me understand exactly how good they are (having played with half of them), and it helped them understand what they needed to do to qualify for Silver. Not favoritism, just doing my job.

Sorry this match didn't go your way Gasol. Sandbagging is an issue that requires compromise, and you can't make everyone happy.
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#52
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Don't worry they are shit anyways

Don't worry they are shit anyways
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#53
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http://i.imgur.com/ifoE1uF.png

they are awful who cares

[img]http://i.imgur.com/ifoE1uF.png[/img]
they are awful who cares
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#54
1 Frags +
Gasolhttp://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=4223

This team's roster has a combined total of 35 platinum seasons and they're playing in silver 6s. I played them today and they pretty much rolled us and very obviously threw 2 rounds to make it look at little close probably? I asked the admins beforehand how this was even allowed and come to find out they're buddy with an admin, surprise right?

http://i.imgur.com/bgEd7JX.png

This is really dumb I don't think any player with platinum experience should be allowed in silver let alone every single player on the roster. What do you guys think? I just need to get good fast and get on an open team.

It's not sandbagging if they're only winning half their matches
For anyone looking for the stats of the match
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/423985
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/424026

You got out played, learn from it.

[quote=Gasol]http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=4223

This team's roster has a combined total of 35 platinum seasons and they're playing in silver 6s. I played them today and they pretty much rolled us and very obviously threw 2 rounds to make it look at little close probably? I asked the admins beforehand how this was even allowed and come to find out they're buddy with an admin, surprise right?

http://i.imgur.com/bgEd7JX.png

This is really dumb I don't think any player with platinum experience should be allowed in silver let alone every single player on the roster. What do you guys think? I just need to get good fast and get on an open team.[/quote]

It's not sandbagging if they're only winning half their matches
For anyone looking for the stats of the match
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/423985
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/424026

You got out played, learn from it.
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#55
-11 Frags +

Are you guys really this disconnected from highlander you think it has no effect on how good you are? If you have the dm and gamesense good enough for multiple seasons of platinum HL you should not be in low silver for 6s. I don't care if you're "just offclassing and goofing off" the gamesense and dm carries over just the same.

I also think a lot of people are skimming over the fact that the main reason these guys are even in silver in the first place is because they have connections with a questionable UGC admin.

Are you guys really this disconnected from highlander you think it has no effect on how good you are? If you have the dm and gamesense good enough for multiple seasons of platinum HL you should not be in low silver for 6s. I don't care if you're "just offclassing and goofing off" the gamesense and dm carries over just the same.

I also think a lot of people are skimming over the fact that the main reason these guys are even in silver in the first place is because they have connections with a questionable UGC admin.
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#56
7 Frags +
Gasolhttp://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png

He's a fucking highlander spy main. Albeit he was a god at it, and most of those seasons he backed up anyway.

-fish-Are you guys really this disconnected from highlander you think it has no effect on how good you are? If you have the dm and gamesense good enough for multiple seasons of platinum HL you should not be in low silver for 6s. I don't care if you're "just offclassing and goofing off" the gamesense and dm carries over just the same.

I also think a lot of people are skimming over the fact that the main reason these guys are even in silver in the first place is because they have connections with a questionable UGC admin.

Idk if you realize this or not, but most people are not always very good at classes they don't main especially when they've been basically not existant for the past 3-6 seasons. Also Platinum HL to Silver 6s is perfectly fine unless all of those platinum HL players are also experienced in ESEA, especially when most of the HL some of them have is non 6s main classes.

to clarify I 100% agree with smobos decision to let them play silver. Which is exactly where the belong with a 3-3 record rofl.

[quote=Gasol]http://i.imgur.com/azqsYgr.png[/quote]

He's a fucking highlander spy main. Albeit he was a god at it, and most of those seasons he backed up anyway.

[quote=-fish-]Are you guys really this disconnected from highlander you think it has no effect on how good you are? If you have the dm and gamesense good enough for multiple seasons of platinum HL you should not be in low silver for 6s. I don't care if you're "just offclassing and goofing off" the gamesense and dm carries over just the same.

I also think a lot of people are skimming over the fact that the main reason these guys are even in silver in the first place is because they have connections with a questionable UGC admin.[/quote]

Idk if you realize this or not, but most people are not always very good at classes they don't main especially when they've been basically not existant for the past 3-6 seasons. Also Platinum HL to Silver 6s is perfectly fine unless all of those platinum HL players are also experienced in ESEA, especially when most of the HL some of them have is non 6s main classes.

to clarify I 100% agree with smobos decision to let them play silver. Which is exactly where the belong with a 3-3 record rofl.
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#57
8 Frags +
-fish-

i dont remember you complaining when me and sigh were carrying your steel highlander team

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i dont remember you complaining when me and sigh were carrying your steel highlander team

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#58
3 Frags +

O>O

O>O
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#59
14 Frags +

man fuck ascent they are sandbagging my division im not going to learn from anything and just keep complaining

http://i.imgur.com/lhLeWw4.gif

man fuck ascent they are sandbagging my division im not going to learn from anything and just keep complaining

[img]http://i.imgur.com/lhLeWw4.gif[/img]
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#60
-11 Frags +
tetromino-fish-i dont remember you complaining when me and sigh were carrying your steel highlander team

sigh was the carry. You were the bitchy engie main. Trust me, there was a lot of complaining about you.

You seem to forget that was literally my first season of competitive anything. If I knew we were "sandbagging" at the time I wouldn't have joined the team.

[quote=tetromino][quote=-fish-][/quote]
i dont remember you complaining when me and sigh were carrying your steel highlander team[/quote]

sigh was the carry. You were the bitchy engie main. Trust me, there was a lot of complaining about you.

You seem to forget that was literally my first season of competitive anything. If I knew we were "sandbagging" at the time I wouldn't have joined the team.
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