RainofLighttbh this kind of ruins my motivation because I always looked forward to an invite lan experience, and if all the invite label conveys now is being a bunch of onliners it becomes way less prestigious. I'll keep playing in the hopes that lpkane brings lan back but if it was for sure gone forever I'd quit ESEA.
the motivation to be good at tf2 should be higher now if valve is actually going to support tf2 dudeeeee
[quote=RainofLight]tbh this kind of ruins my motivation because I always looked forward to an invite lan experience, and if all the invite label conveys now is being a bunch of onliners it becomes way less prestigious. I'll keep playing in the hopes that lpkane brings lan back but if it was for sure gone forever I'd quit ESEA.[/quote]
the motivation to be good at tf2 should be higher now if valve is actually going to support tf2 dudeeeee
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[quote=aiera][img]http://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png[/img][/quote]
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I'm happy I didn't put this game down
I'm happy I didn't put this game down
[quote=riot124][quote=aiera][img]http://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png[/img][/quote]
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aierariot124aierahttp://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png
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It's almost like that quote was referring to the 16(?) seasons before it and not the ones coming after
It's almost like lpkane has every right to make this decision, and could have just gotten rid of the whole game instead
It's almost like this could have easily happened seasons ago, when numbers were way lower, but he didn't do it and waited until he had an opportunity he couldn't pass up, which had the side effect of making it nigh-impossible to do a TF2 LAN final
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. Why do you insist so much on twisting a year-old statement about a LAN you couldn't even compete in this season?
[quote=aiera][quote=riot124][quote=aiera][img]http://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png[/img][/quote]
[img]http://puu.sh/hxfte/ff93c75c55.png[/img][/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3VazyNR.png[/img][/quote]
It's almost like that quote was referring to the 16(?) seasons before it and not the ones coming after
It's almost like lpkane has every right to make this decision, and could have just gotten rid of the whole game instead
It's almost like this could have easily happened seasons ago, when numbers were way lower, but he didn't do it and waited until he had an opportunity he couldn't pass up, which had the side effect of making it nigh-impossible to do a TF2 LAN final
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. Why do you insist so much on twisting a year-old statement about a LAN you couldn't even compete in this season?
aierahttp://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png
Surprise I'm here! Now, Professional is always on LAN! Thanks for bringing back something I said about a year or so ago.
[quote=aiera][img]http://i.imgur.com/Iy5LqFL.png[/img][/quote]
Surprise I'm here! Now, Professional is always on LAN! Thanks for bringing back something I said about a year or so ago.
2cesea lie to me?
Should we just call it Premier then?
[quote=2c]esea lie to me?[/quote]
Should we just call it Premier then?
mixup dream is alive then
mixup dream is alive then
89zombiezNice! This season of invite is gearing to be amazing to watch.
froyotechs gonna win
[quote=89zombiez]Nice! This season of invite is gearing to be amazing to watch.[/quote]
froyotechs gonna win
TwilitlordWhat the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN.
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk
[quote=Twilitlord]
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. [/quote]
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk
TwiggyTwilitlordWhat the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN.
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk
Did he really fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).
[quote=Twiggy][quote=Twilitlord]
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. [/quote]
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk[/quote]
Did he [i]really[/i] fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).
The amount of entitlement in this thread is amazing. Losing LAN sucks, but at the same time now Invite teams get a chance to break even on winnings from finals. AND we have some actual support coming from valve. Sure the finals will be online, but hopefully they will also be featured in the main menu of the game. Imagine what would happen if we put on an amazing show (and considering the production quality of the last LAN that wouldn't be hard to do) and start pulling in even a fraction of the casual player base as viewers.
LAN is gone this season, but that doesn't mean it is going to be gone forever. It means that this season we really push for exposure, we work with valve, we make our game appealing to watch and more known to casual players so that they can watch. Then, next season, we take those numbers back to ESEA and see about getting our LAN back (maybe with a bigger prize pool as well if the support from valve starts to take off in big ways.
Its a business, lets prove that TF2 still has a market.
Or you know, we could look at Valve finally offering direct support... and decide that after 7 years of keeping this scene alive without any of that we've had enough. That seems like it would be a waste to me.
The amount of entitlement in this thread is amazing. Losing LAN sucks, but at the same time now Invite teams get a chance to break even on winnings from finals. AND we have some actual support coming from valve. Sure the finals will be online, but hopefully they will also be featured in the main menu of the game. Imagine what would happen if we put on an amazing show (and considering the production quality of the last LAN that wouldn't be hard to do) and start pulling in even a fraction of the casual player base as viewers.
LAN is gone this season, but that doesn't mean it is going to be gone forever. It means that this season we really push for exposure, we work with valve, we make our game appealing to watch and more known to casual players so that they can watch. Then, next season, we take those numbers back to ESEA and see about getting our LAN back (maybe with a bigger prize pool as well if the support from valve starts to take off in big ways.
Its a business, lets prove that TF2 still has a market.
Or you know, we could look at Valve finally offering direct support... and decide that after 7 years of keeping this scene alive without any of that we've had enough. That seems like it would be a waste to me.
TwiggyTwilitlordWhat the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN.
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk
youre really underestimating how many big established PC lans there are here
[quote=Twiggy][quote=Twilitlord]
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. [/quote]
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk[/quote]
youre really underestimating how many big established PC lans there are here
Speaking of i55 when's the fundraiser gonna get put up?
Speaking of i55 when's the fundraiser gonna get put up?
lanskypeople have shown this many times but lpkane mentioned they aren't operating at a loss for TF2
very rough estimates ( feel free to correct any incorrect numbers, 7 player average per roster came from lkpane)
invite: $85 * (9 teams * 7 players each) = $5355
IM: $15 (unsure about this, rough estimate) * (16 teams * 7 players each) = $1680
open: $7.50 (unsure again) * (almost 60 open teams last season * 7 players each) = $3150
very rough premium estimate: (60 open + 16 im) * 7 players * (2 months a season? * 6.95/mo) = $7400
total not including premium fees $6.95 ish a month for every player in open/im: $10,185 (premium adds quite a lot to this), putting it over the prize pool of 16k when you add premium
cant speak for the rest of invite, but all i am truly concerned with is not being at a loss for going to an event. if i can break even, i'd still go just because it's a fun hobby. im sure this sum can help facilitate that to some degree. i'd be willing to not have a significant prize pool if travel could be covered for all teams
Obviously they aren't operating at a loss as far as mathematics, he definitely meant an opportunity loss. If you could put those resources for tf2 into something else and make more money, that is a loss.
[quote=lansky]people have shown this many times but lpkane mentioned they aren't operating at a loss for TF2
very rough estimates ( feel free to correct any incorrect numbers, 7 player average per roster came from lkpane)
invite: $85 * (9 teams * 7 players each) = $5355
IM: $15 (unsure about this, rough estimate) * (16 teams * 7 players each) = $1680
open: $7.50 (unsure again) * (almost 60 open teams last season * 7 players each) = $3150
very rough premium estimate: (60 open + 16 im) * 7 players * (2 months a season? * 6.95/mo) = $7400
total [i]not including[/i] premium fees $6.95 ish a month for every player in open/im: [b]$10,185[/b] (premium adds quite a lot to this), putting it over the prize pool of 16k when you add premium
cant speak for the rest of invite, but all i am truly concerned with is not being at a loss for going to an event. if i can break even, i'd still go just because it's a fun hobby. im sure this sum can help facilitate that to some degree. i'd be willing to not have a significant prize pool if travel could be covered for all teams[/quote]
Obviously they aren't operating at a loss as far as mathematics, he definitely meant an opportunity loss. If you could put those resources for tf2 into something else and make more money, that is a loss.
radiumTwiggyTwilitlordWhat the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN.
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk
Did he really fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).
You're perfectly right indeed.
I was saying that because on TFTV TF2 isn't a business, and in EU TF2 isn't one either.
Also, no one really quits TF2 8)
@downpour : what do you mean? If there's tons of LAN it still means there's room for 24-120 people more for TF2. Hell there's even flight simulations players that went to GA 2015
[quote=radium][quote=Twiggy][quote=Twilitlord]
What the fuck is your problem? You sound like you'd rather have had them drop TF2 altogether than have invite without LAN. [/quote]
This is a totally legit standpoint.
Looking at the ridiculous annoucement by Ipkane (dont make me regret this lol) he poses as the saviour of TF2 when all he did was fuck you over and have you say thanks to him.
I mean i understand you guys this is the only viable competition you know for TF2 in NA but if in europe we had to rely on shit like ESL to get the job done game would be dead for a long time already.
In France, we even have a LAN circuit with 2 to 3 regular events. Without a paid league. Because some LANs still want us to fill up slots at their events.
I mean don't tell me in the states there aren't more things like gaming festivals or LAN events similar to GXL. The organisers of said events want to be filled up as much as possible. Sometimes that's all they ask. Attendance.
Stop praising ESEA and start helping fragile, idk[/quote]
Did he [i]really[/i] fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).[/quote]
You're perfectly right indeed.
I was saying that because on TFTV TF2 isn't a business, and in EU TF2 isn't one either.
Also, no one really quits TF2 8)
@downpour : what do you mean? If there's tons of LAN it still means there's room for 24-120 people more for TF2. Hell there's even flight simulations players that went to GA 2015
radium
Did he really fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).
Let's not pretend this isn't also a business opportunity he's trying to take here.
I'm sure he didn't just keep the tf2 season out of good will, valve actually announcing matchmaking is breaking news for comp tf2 and if the scene really does take off then esea will be in prime position to reap the numbers and take it to the next level. Where as if he dropped tf2 now, by the time matchmaking would be released there would be other leagues (community run or not) taking from what esea left and he would have no market share, so what he's doing is actually a smart business decision because he's keeping his market share in a game which potentially will pay out in the near future, it's still a risk but I'm sure it doesn't lose them money and they have the opportunity to be the industry leaders in 2 esports instead of 1.
[quote=radium]
Did he [i]really[/i] fuck us over?
Think like a businessman for a second. He could have looked at the numbers and just removed the tf2 division just like a candy store removes a less popular (but unique) brand of chocolate. He's in it to make a profit - and he had enough financial incentive to make the cut altogether.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but it does take a little bit of grace to back away from the knife in the business world. This kind of stuff is 95% of the time NOT about feelings but about finances.
If you remove ESEA, what does the NA tf2 scene turn into? I could see a lot of the "established" people here hanging it up and going elsewhere (or just stopping video games altogether).[/quote]
Let's not pretend this isn't also a business opportunity he's trying to take here.
I'm sure he didn't just keep the tf2 season out of good will, valve actually announcing matchmaking is breaking news for comp tf2 and if the scene really does take off then esea will be in prime position to reap the numbers and take it to the next level. Where as if he dropped tf2 now, by the time matchmaking would be released there would be other leagues (community run or not) taking from what esea left and he would have no market share, so what he's doing is actually a smart business decision because he's keeping his market share in a game which potentially will pay out in the near future, it's still a risk but I'm sure it doesn't lose them money and they have the opportunity to be the industry leaders in 2 esports instead of 1.
Twiggy@downpour : what do you mean? If there's tons of LAN it still means there's room for 24-120 people more for TF2. Hell there's even flight simulations players that went to GA 2015
i meant overestimating FUCK ME
[quote=Twiggy]
@downpour : what do you mean? If there's tons of LAN it still means there's room for 24-120 people more for TF2. Hell there's even flight simulations players that went to GA 2015[/quote]
i meant overestimating FUCK ME
Schedule just got revealed.
Schedule just got revealed.
They moved to 5 weeks of advance scheduling. ESEA...
They moved to 5 weeks of advance scheduling. ESEA...
might as well do the whole season, it doesn't matter at this point anyway
might as well do the whole season, it doesn't matter at this point anyway
tscThey moved to 5 weeks of advance scheduling. ESEA...
Trying to make sure 6cuties doesn't meet up with any competition until playoffs
Also why is show me the monet in IM with 1 person on the roster. They're our first match of the season lol
[quote=tsc]They moved to 5 weeks of advance scheduling. ESEA...[/quote]
Trying to make sure 6cuties doesn't meet up with any competition until playoffs
Also why is show me the monet in IM with 1 person on the roster. They're our first match of the season lol
yeah whats the DDD roster doing in IM, isn't it dead? same with monet and mad men. also mal actually allowed to play? seems kinda lame.
yeah whats the DDD roster doing in IM, isn't it dead? same with monet and mad men. also mal actually allowed to play? seems kinda lame.
IM schedules will probably get redone after dead teams are removed, it's happened before
IM schedules will probably get redone after dead teams are removed, it's happened before