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baud banned again..
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neroDenniahttp://logs.tf/475608how do you hack and get 55% accuracy with shotgun...
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe
Why would u ever want to get 100% accuracy? That's just asking to get banned
[quote=nero][quote=Dennia]http://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
how do you hack and get 55% accuracy with shotgun...[/quote]
Why would u ever want to get 100% accuracy? That's just asking to get banned
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
how do you hack and get 55% accuracy with shotgun...[/quote]
Why would u ever want to get 100% accuracy? That's just asking to get banned
csgo definitely did NOT show that people HAVE hacked on lans, only that it's theoretically possible in extreme cases (which was always true- people have tried to cheat on lan before, they just mostly got caught)
still, someone having gone to lan is circumstantial evidence in favor of that person overall. does that mean they don't cheat? no. but if they replicate their form entirely it gives them some benefit of the doubt if it's a grey area. context and circumstantial evidence are and always will be used in the case of human anticheat teams. if two players do something moderately fishy but one of them has 50 hours in this game and the other is a well-known invite player the latter will be given more slack. that's just the way it has to be, it's one of the limitations of the system.
it's definitely possible that the admins gave baud the benefit of the doubt because of these facts and still thought the evidence was undeniable. it's also possible that the old ban weighed in their mind and made them more readily accept evidence that was really borderline (or make their decision off an insufficient volume of evidence). personally, I've always been in favor of releasing the evidence of one's decision. I feel like the positives outweigh the negatives. some people might harass the ac admins and say they're incompetent, but that happens if they don't release the evidence too, as people who are friends with the banned person will just assume that they were incompetent anyways. as for not alerting hackers that they're onto them, I think that's pretty stupid reasoning. it's not like there are an infinite amount of super complex private hacks out there. if one guy gets banned for triggering it's not suddenly going to make everyone switch to a different kind of cheat. the cheater's psyche is that they won't get caught, which is why people always will try to get away with it. at best, people using similar cheats will decide it's not worth it anymore and just start playing legit. isn't that victory enough? hell it worked for cookye.
csgo definitely did NOT show that people HAVE hacked on lans, only that it's theoretically possible in extreme cases (which was always true- people have tried to cheat on lan before, they just mostly got caught)
still, someone having gone to lan is circumstantial evidence in favor of that person overall. does that mean they don't cheat? no. but if they replicate their form entirely it gives them some benefit of the doubt if it's a grey area. context and circumstantial evidence are and always will be used in the case of human anticheat teams. if two players do something moderately fishy but one of them has 50 hours in this game and the other is a well-known invite player the latter will be given more slack. that's just the way it has to be, it's one of the limitations of the system.
it's definitely possible that the admins gave baud the benefit of the doubt because of these facts and still thought the evidence was undeniable. it's also possible that the old ban weighed in their mind and made them more readily accept evidence that was really borderline (or make their decision off an insufficient volume of evidence). personally, I've always been in favor of releasing the evidence of one's decision. I feel like the positives outweigh the negatives. some people might harass the ac admins and say they're incompetent, but that happens if they don't release the evidence too, as people who are friends with the banned person will just assume that they were incompetent anyways. as for not alerting hackers that they're onto them, I think that's pretty stupid reasoning. it's not like there are an infinite amount of super complex private hacks out there. if one guy gets banned for triggering it's not suddenly going to make everyone switch to a different kind of cheat. the cheater's psyche is that they won't get caught, which is why people always will try to get away with it. at best, people using similar cheats will decide it's not worth it anymore and just start playing legit. isn't that victory enough? hell it worked for cookye.
still, someone having gone to lan is circumstantial evidence in favor of that person overall. does that mean they don't cheat? no. but if they replicate their form entirely it gives them some benefit of the doubt if it's a grey area. context and circumstantial evidence are and always will be used in the case of human anticheat teams. if two players do something moderately fishy but one of them has 50 hours in this game and the other is a well-known invite player the latter will be given more slack. that's just the way it has to be, it's one of the limitations of the system.
it's definitely possible that the admins gave baud the benefit of the doubt because of these facts and still thought the evidence was undeniable. it's also possible that the old ban weighed in their mind and made them more readily accept evidence that was really borderline (or make their decision off an insufficient volume of evidence). personally, I've always been in favor of releasing the evidence of one's decision. I feel like the positives outweigh the negatives. some people might harass the ac admins and say they're incompetent, but that happens if they don't release the evidence too, as people who are friends with the banned person will just assume that they were incompetent anyways. as for not alerting hackers that they're onto them, I think that's pretty stupid reasoning. it's not like there are an infinite amount of super complex private hacks out there. if one guy gets banned for triggering it's not suddenly going to make everyone switch to a different kind of cheat. the cheater's psyche is that they won't get caught, which is why people always will try to get away with it. at best, people using similar cheats will decide it's not worth it anymore and just start playing legit. isn't that victory enough? hell it worked for cookye.
SheepylolThis shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.
Don't worry, it's already a complete joke.
[quote=Sheepylol]This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.[/quote]
Don't worry, it's already a complete joke.
Don't worry, it's already a complete joke.
insomyo how do you cheat on soldier
Seriously, this
[quote=insom]yo how do you cheat on soldier[/quote]
Seriously, this
Seriously, this
This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.
don't worry ESEA is just as bad if not worse, heres a prime example which is also a fact which is what makes it so amusing. multiple people that have openly admitted to cheating on these forums are still allowed to play in ESEA. even if an ESEA admin was to waltz in here and read it with his eyes wide open it doesn't matter because players only get banned if they're caught on client. isn't that a great system? totally not outdated keep up the good work admins
[quote]This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.[/quote]
don't worry ESEA is just as bad if not worse, heres a prime example which is also a fact which is what makes it so amusing. multiple people that have openly admitted to cheating on these forums are still allowed to play in ESEA. even if an ESEA admin was to waltz in here and read it with his eyes wide open it doesn't matter because players only get banned if they're caught on client. isn't that a great system? totally not outdated keep up the good work admins
don't worry ESEA is just as bad if not worse, heres a prime example which is also a fact which is what makes it so amusing. multiple people that have openly admitted to cheating on these forums are still allowed to play in ESEA. even if an ESEA admin was to waltz in here and read it with his eyes wide open it doesn't matter because players only get banned if they're caught on client. isn't that a great system? totally not outdated keep up the good work admins
http://youtu.be/GErIijCSthE?t=1m24s
Isn't this baud?
http://youtu.be/GErIijCSthE?t=1m24s
Isn't this baud?
Isn't this baud?
still honestly quite disappointed over the acteam not wanting to release the accursed footage. Like come on man its 2014(almost 15)
still honestly quite disappointed over the acteam not wanting to release the accursed footage. Like come on man its 2014(almost 15)
tobsstill honestly quite disappointed over the acteam not wanting to release the accursed footage. Like come on man its 2014(almost 15)
They never released any footage, why would they start now? I personally never heard of an ac team that releases proof so meh.
[quote=tobs]still honestly quite disappointed over the acteam not wanting to release the accursed footage. Like come on man its 2014(almost 15)[/quote]
They never released any footage, why would they start now? I personally never heard of an ac team that releases proof so meh.
They never released any footage, why would they start now? I personally never heard of an ac team that releases proof so meh.
Wandumhttp://youtu.be/GErIijCSthE?t=1m24s
Isn't this baud?
cheating =/= impossible to airshot
[quote=Wandum]http://youtu.be/GErIijCSthE?t=1m24s
Isn't this baud?[/quote]
cheating =/= impossible to airshot
Isn't this baud?[/quote]
cheating =/= impossible to airshot
Denniahttp://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?
[quote=Dennia]http://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?
nopeinsomyo how do you cheat on soldierSeriously, this
If you can cheat on heavy, why not on soldier?
[quote=nope][quote=insom]yo how do you cheat on soldier[/quote]
Seriously, this[/quote]
If you can cheat on heavy, why not on soldier?
Seriously, this[/quote]
If you can cheat on heavy, why not on soldier?
CHERRYDenniahttp://logs.tf/475608He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe
well in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k heals
[quote=CHERRY][quote=Dennia]http://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?[/quote]
well in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k heals
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?[/quote]
well in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k heals
Denniahttp://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe
how do you hack as soldier
i understand how but like what motivates you to do it
[quote=Dennia]http://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
how do you hack as soldier
i understand how but like what motivates you to do it
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
how do you hack as soldier
i understand how but like what motivates you to do it
StarkCHERRYwell in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k healsDenniahttp://logs.tf/475608He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe
Ah didn't see it, sorry
[quote=Stark][quote=CHERRY][quote=Dennia]http://logs.tf/475608
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?[/quote]
well in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k heals[/quote]
Ah didn't see it, sorry
http://logs.tf/503510
heehe[/quote]
He wasn't hacking at the beginning of the season and he was utter shit then which was shown in many games, why downvotes?[/quote]
well in the 1st log he was roaming and in the 2nd one he was pocket with 12k heals[/quote]
Ah didn't see it, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/user/Lucky7324/videos
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus
https://www.youtube.com/user/Lucky7324/videos
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0inNa3pTgc8
still makes me cry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0inNa3pTgc8
still makes me cry
still makes me cry
I guess it will always come down to opinion if it isn't completely obvious that someone is cheating, the AC staff must have their reasons. Same goes for sports like football where the referee also can make mistakes, but ultimately it is his decision, nothing you can do, it sucks when you're innocent tho.
I guess it will always come down to opinion if it isn't completely obvious that someone is cheating, the AC staff must have their reasons. Same goes for sports like football where the referee also can make mistakes, but ultimately it is his decision, nothing you can do, it sucks when you're innocent tho.
Sheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
Afaik he was banned for aim assist which is the same as saying, "we dont know what the fuck is happening in these demos but this guy is just 2gud, lets ban him". you would think after getting banned for 2 times and 2 years later he would already have been affected by VAC at least? Especially with vac being more and more up to date to recent cheats, even private cs ones.
To be honest I'm not gonna judge the guy until there's hard evidence of it "aka" VAC ban, any speculation otherwise would feel like an injustice. I think being labeled a cheater wrongly is probably the worst thing u can have happen to you.
Also I don't believe the "if u cheat once u will cheat again" philosophy, not even applied to real life, it's really dumb to judge someone for life and assume they are unable to better themselves based on past actions.
Sheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
Afaik he was banned for aim assist which is the same as saying, "we dont know what the fuck is happening in these demos but this guy is just 2gud, lets ban him". you would think after getting banned for 2 times and 2 years later he would already have been affected by VAC at least? Especially with vac being more and more up to date to recent cheats, even private cs ones.
To be honest I'm not gonna judge the guy until there's hard evidence of it "aka" VAC ban, any speculation otherwise would feel like an injustice. I think being labeled a cheater wrongly is probably the worst thing u can have happen to you.
Also I don't believe the "if u cheat once u will cheat again" philosophy, not even applied to real life, it's really dumb to judge someone for life and assume they are unable to better themselves based on past actions.
Afaik he was banned for aim assist which is the same as saying, "we dont know what the fuck is happening in these demos but this guy is just 2gud, lets ban him". you would think after getting banned for 2 times and 2 years later he would already have been affected by VAC at least? Especially with vac being more and more up to date to recent cheats, even private cs ones.
To be honest I'm not gonna judge the guy until there's hard evidence of it "aka" VAC ban, any speculation otherwise would feel like an injustice. I think being labeled a cheater wrongly is probably the worst thing u can have happen to you.
Also I don't believe the "if u cheat once u will cheat again" philosophy, not even applied to real life, it's really dumb to judge someone for life and assume they are unable to better themselves based on past actions.
milowho
ironic i like it
kinda agree with kaneco like the only people who actually seem to believe the ban is legit are planet express :D. baud merced with us a few times in epsilon and i've played with/against him generally numerous times over a few years, inc mge etc and i never suspected him.. the only clip which looks slightly dodgy to me is the heavy tracking but hey, my aim looks like that too. tl;dr ondkaja is an ac admin
[quote=milo]who[/quote]
ironic i like it
kinda agree with kaneco like the only people who actually seem to believe the ban is legit are planet express :D. baud merced with us a few times in epsilon and i've played with/against him generally numerous times over a few years, inc mge etc and i never suspected him.. the only clip which looks slightly dodgy to me is the heavy tracking but hey, my aim looks like that too. tl;dr ondkaja is an ac admin
ironic i like it
kinda agree with kaneco like the only people who actually seem to believe the ban is legit are planet express :D. baud merced with us a few times in epsilon and i've played with/against him generally numerous times over a few years, inc mge etc and i never suspected him.. the only clip which looks slightly dodgy to me is the heavy tracking but hey, my aim looks like that too. tl;dr ondkaja is an ac admin
Afaik he was banned for aim assist which is the same as saying, "we dont know what the fuck is happening in these demos but this guy is just 2gud, lets ban him"
I read this a lot and i can only hope that people just want to provoke with dumb statements like that.
If you guys would spend a couple of weeks on the internet and try to learn how cheats work and i dont mean watching demos (omg he cheater cuz his name is russ1anHaxxxxor) i mean actually looking into the mechanics behind cheats and the flaws most buyable cheats have you wouldnt post dumb shit like that.
Afaik he was banned for aim assist which is the same as saying, "we dont know what the fuck is happening in these demos but this guy is just 2gud, lets ban him"
I read this a lot and i can only hope that people just want to provoke with dumb statements like that.
If you guys would spend a couple of weeks on the internet and try to learn how cheats work and i dont mean watching demos (omg he cheater cuz his name is russ1anHaxxxxor) i mean actually looking into the mechanics behind cheats and the flaws most buyable cheats have you wouldnt post dumb shit like that.
I read this a lot and i can only hope that people just want to provoke with dumb statements like that.
If you guys would spend a couple of weeks on the internet and try to learn how cheats work and i dont mean watching demos (omg he cheater cuz his name is russ1anHaxxxxor) i mean actually looking into the mechanics behind cheats and the flaws most buyable cheats have you wouldnt post dumb shit like that.
insomyo how do you cheat on soldier
Wall hacks/triggerbot or aimbot when using shotgun?
[quote=insom]yo how do you cheat on soldier[/quote]
Wall hacks/triggerbot or aimbot when using shotgun?
Wall hacks/triggerbot or aimbot when using shotgun?
Toonihttps://www.youtube.com/user/Lucky7324/videos
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus
Are videos chosen to upload by him evidence?
[quote=Tooni]https://www.youtube.com/user/Lucky7324/videos
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus[/quote]
Are videos chosen to upload by him evidence?
here is his channel for if anyone here wants to make an opinion based on evidence rather than their anus[/quote]
Are videos chosen to upload by him evidence?
mike won s18 online but lost lan? yeah pretty suspicious
mike won s18 online but lost lan? yeah pretty suspicious
Sheepyloldroso
Thanks. Hopefully, you'll still be able to see us in non-ETF2L cups and lans since we should keep playing together nonetheless.
So you are saying that you plan to continue playing other tournaments and non etf2l cups with a cheater who has been caught hacking and banned from etf2l TWICE? How is this allowed, this kind of thing would never be allowed in other games, why do you think you can play other tournaments that could possibly have prizes with a hacker and just get away with it cause tf2 is a small game. Seriously what is wrong with you and your team to not only support a cheater but to then publicly announce that you want to continue playing tournaments with him and fuck over the teams who are actually legit. This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.
Well, this isn't something that happens only with TF2. In CSGO, Moe (a wellknown CSGO streamer) was banned from ESEA for testing a hack in a pug, but he is free to play in anyother tournament.
[quote=Sheepylol][quote=droso]
Thanks. Hopefully, you'll still be able to see us in non-ETF2L cups and lans since we should keep playing together nonetheless.[/quote]
So you are saying that you plan to continue playing other tournaments and non etf2l cups with a cheater who has been caught hacking and banned from etf2l TWICE? How is this allowed, this kind of thing would never be allowed in other games, why do you think you can play other tournaments that could possibly have prizes with a hacker and just get away with it cause tf2 is a small game. Seriously what is wrong with you and your team to not only support a cheater but to then publicly announce that you want to continue playing tournaments with him and fuck over the teams who are actually legit. This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.[/quote]
Well, this isn't something that happens only with TF2. In CSGO, Moe (a wellknown CSGO streamer) was banned from ESEA for testing a hack in a pug, but he is free to play in anyother tournament.
Thanks. Hopefully, you'll still be able to see us in non-ETF2L cups and lans since we should keep playing together nonetheless.[/quote]
So you are saying that you plan to continue playing other tournaments and non etf2l cups with a cheater who has been caught hacking and banned from etf2l TWICE? How is this allowed, this kind of thing would never be allowed in other games, why do you think you can play other tournaments that could possibly have prizes with a hacker and just get away with it cause tf2 is a small game. Seriously what is wrong with you and your team to not only support a cheater but to then publicly announce that you want to continue playing tournaments with him and fuck over the teams who are actually legit. This shit should not be allowed if we don't want TF2 to appear as a complete joke.[/quote]
Well, this isn't something that happens only with TF2. In CSGO, Moe (a wellknown CSGO streamer) was banned from ESEA for testing a hack in a pug, but he is free to play in anyother tournament.
KanecoSheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.
[quote=Kaneco]Sheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
[/quote]
I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.
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I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.
pfft kaneco has spoken and everyone knows he is right all the time! so clearly the anti cheat team who actually took the time to look into this in great detail know nothing.
in all seriousness since this is the second time he has done this it feels like this should be a longer ban
pfft kaneco has spoken and everyone knows he is right all the time! so clearly the anti cheat team who actually took the time to look into this in great detail know nothing.
in all seriousness since this is the second time he has done this it feels like this should be a longer ban
in all seriousness since this is the second time he has done this it feels like this should be a longer ban
SheepylolKanecoSheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.
I would guess in a game like tf2 that uses source pretty much any improvvement in detection of cheats for cs will have some effect on tf2 cheat detection as well.
So it's kinda weird that it doesn't detect some supposedly private tf2 cheats that aren't even that profitable and less feature rich than said cs cheats
[quote=Sheepylol][quote=Kaneco]Sheepy man u seem to have some deep hatred for the guy.
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I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.[/quote]
I would guess in a game like tf2 that uses source pretty much any improvvement in detection of cheats for cs will have some effect on tf2 cheat detection as well.
So it's kinda weird that it doesn't detect some supposedly private tf2 cheats that aren't even that profitable and less feature rich than said cs cheats
[/quote]
I don't hate him but I trust the AC admins judgement. If baud isn't hacking then the AC admins have fucked up big time (again) but considering the mistakes they have made in the past I am pretty sure they wouldn't ban him if they weren't totally sure he was hacking. So I am gonna trust them on this one. Also the fact he hasn't been vac banned comes down to how valve just don't care about competitive tf2 so they don't put the time and effort into finding cheats for this game.[/quote]
I would guess in a game like tf2 that uses source pretty much any improvvement in detection of cheats for cs will have some effect on tf2 cheat detection as well.
So it's kinda weird that it doesn't detect some supposedly private tf2 cheats that aren't even that profitable and less feature rich than said cs cheats
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