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#121
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http://strawpoll.me/741150

http://strawpoll.me/741150
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And just like the Roman Republic, once it demonstrated that it could no longer govern, was usurped by Caesar, we should all hope for the day when the fat cock himself ascends to the mighty twitch throne.

And just like the Roman Republic, once it demonstrated that it could no longer govern, was usurped by Caesar, we should all hope for the day when the fat cock himself ascends to the mighty twitch throne.
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Niko_JimsNew streaming site when?

the one person being shitty causing every kid to blacklist companies is getting old

what is likely to happen is twitch distances itself from the issue. silently unbans everyone and evaluates whether to drop the furry dude at a later time. if you give in to riots then you get this shit every time people want something cause they think it causes shit to happen.

its natural for a company to back an employee over what people on the outside consider as over the line. he's someones friend... and john is tftv's friend so stop with the backlash warcries ya goddam noname cocksucker : -- )

[quote=Niko_Jims]
New streaming site when?[/quote]

the one person being shitty causing every kid to blacklist companies is getting old

what is likely to happen is twitch distances itself from the issue. silently unbans everyone and evaluates whether to drop the furry dude at a later time. if you give in to riots then you get this shit every time people want something cause they think it causes shit to happen.

its natural for a company to back an employee over what people on the outside consider as over the line. he's someones friend... and john is tftv's friend so stop with the backlash warcries ya goddam noname cocksucker : -- )
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#124
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#125
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Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often

Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often
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#126
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Tino_Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often

And perhaps, partially explains the response. They haven't had a crisis before so they're running off of instinct trying to put the fire out, but they grabbed the cooking oil instead of the water bucket. The result? Kentucky Fried Controversy.

[quote=Tino_]Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often[/quote]

And perhaps, partially explains the response. They haven't had a crisis before so they're running off of instinct trying to put the fire out, but they grabbed the cooking oil instead of the water bucket. The result? Kentucky Fried Controversy.
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#127
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LKincheloeTino_Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often
And perhaps, partially explains the response. They haven't had a crisis before so they're running off of instinct trying to put the fire out, but they grabbed the cooking oil instead of the water bucket. The result? Kentucky Fried Controversy.

Love the comparison you made Kinch.

[quote=LKincheloe][quote=Tino_]Not going to lie but i am really surprised this is the first real shitstorm on twitch, with how many people stream and how many more watch those streams per day its kinda amazing that nothing has happened sooner and more often[/quote]

And perhaps, partially explains the response. They haven't had a crisis before so they're running off of instinct trying to put the fire out, but they grabbed the cooking oil instead of the water bucket. The result? Kentucky Fried Controversy.[/quote]

Love the comparison you made Kinch.
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#128
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"Twitch.tv speedrunners banned by admin abusing power" is now the number one thread on reddit and the first thread on r/all for default users. Today Twitch learns what the Streisand Effect is.

In other news: It has come out that Horror is, in fact, the only admin of Twitch that is an actual, paid Twitch employee, and everyone else is just a volunteer. The bad news: Good luck getting him removed. The "good" news: if he is removed, he'll suffer financially.

"Twitch.tv speedrunners banned by admin abusing power" is now the number one thread on reddit and the first thread on r/all for default users. Today Twitch learns what the Streisand Effect is.

In other news: It has come out that Horror is, in fact, the only admin of Twitch that is an actual, paid Twitch employee, and everyone else is just a volunteer. The bad news: Good luck getting him removed. The "good" news: if he is removed, he'll suffer financially.
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#129
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r4ptureIn other news: It has come out that Horror is, in fact, the only admin of Twitch that is an actual, paid Twitch employee, and everyone else is just a volunteer.

Rather sure he is paid because he handles all emotes, most admins just moderate chats.

[quote=r4pture]
In other news: It has come out that Horror is, in fact, the only admin of Twitch that is an actual, paid Twitch employee, and everyone else is just a volunteer.[/quote]
Rather sure he is paid because he handles all emotes, most admins just moderate chats.
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#130
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Horror is head admin in that he oversee's all other admins, as well as the emotes. He is definitely a member of staff, the fact he wears an admin badge instead of a staff badge is likely just choice.

Horror is head admin in that he oversee's all other admins, as well as the emotes. He is definitely a member of staff, the fact he wears an admin badge instead of a staff badge is likely just choice.
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#131
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i cant think of a better word to use than retarded if you guys honestly think that one furry admin going haywire with bans merits switching back to a company that literally scammed destiny/tobiwan and a ton of others out of more than 100,000 dollars

i cant think of a better word to use than retarded if you guys honestly think that one furry admin going haywire with bans merits switching back to a company that literally scammed destiny/tobiwan and a ton of others out of more than 100,000 dollars
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#132
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Turn on ad-block on twitch if you won't stop using the service. Should dent their income.

Turn on ad-block on twitch if you won't stop using the service. Should dent their income.
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#133
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How in the actual fuck did these admins think this would lead to a good outcome for them...

How in the actual fuck did these admins think this would lead to a good outcome for them...
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#134
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save_us.y2john

save_us.y2john
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#135
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mi cant think of a better word to use than retarded if you guys honestly think that one furry admin going haywire with bans merits switching back to a company that literally scammed destiny/tobiwan and a ton of others out of more than 100,000 dollars

People keep saying this but last I heard the guy who runs Hitbox.tv was brought in as CFO of own3d after own3d fucked themselves, he was hired to try and fix things but it was too far gone. Can we get some proof on either side?

[quote=m]i cant think of a better word to use than retarded if you guys honestly think that one furry admin going haywire with bans merits switching back to a company that literally scammed destiny/tobiwan and a ton of others out of more than 100,000 dollars[/quote]

People keep saying this but last I heard the guy who runs Hitbox.tv was brought in as CFO of own3d [b]after[/b] own3d fucked themselves, he was hired to try and fix things but it was too far gone. Can we get some proof on either side?
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#136
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https://twitter.com/TwitchTVSupport

https://twitter.com/TwitchTVSupport
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#137
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Reddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.

Reddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.
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#138
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r4ptureReddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.

I find it odd the reddit admins/mods get really bent out of shape when companies use multiple alt accounts in order to simulate organic feedback, opinions, or upvotes, yet they oblige to twitch's request of censorship.

[quote=r4pture]Reddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.[/quote]

I find it odd the reddit admins/mods get really bent out of shape when companies use multiple alt accounts in order to simulate organic feedback, opinions, or upvotes, yet they oblige to twitch's request of censorship.
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#139
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I find it really sinister that Twitch have asked for the threads to be removed from Reddit. It can't be easy for Twitch_Jon as he can't just remove a large number of his modding staff. Yes a lot of people would apply to replace them but it would be very time consuming for him to vet them all and if it is true that this Horror character is indeed the only paid admin then removing the person who would logically conduct the recruitment is even more of a ball ache. Also, he seems like the type of idiot who would try and drag the name of twitch through the mud saying he was sacked because he was gay blah blah.

The silence from the higher ups at Twitch needs to be broken soon because if enough people jump ship to the hitbox platform then the money will go down. It's the streamers who have the power in this situation and by the looks of it the speedrun community is large, vocal and pissed off. It would only take a few leaders/celebs in the community to do a Moses and lead everyone off. Or at least, that is my opinion.

I find it really sinister that Twitch have asked for the threads to be removed from Reddit. It can't be easy for Twitch_Jon as he can't just remove a large number of his modding staff. Yes a lot of people would apply to replace them but it would be very time consuming for him to vet them all and if it is true that this Horror character is indeed the only paid admin then removing the person who would logically conduct the recruitment is even more of a ball ache. Also, he seems like the type of idiot who would try and drag the name of twitch through the mud saying he was sacked because he was gay blah blah.

The silence from the higher ups at Twitch needs to be broken soon because if enough people jump ship to the hitbox platform then the money will go down. It's the streamers who have the power in this situation and by the looks of it the speedrun community is large, vocal and pissed off. It would only take a few leaders/celebs in the community to do a Moses and lead everyone off. Or at least, that is my opinion.
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ColemanAlso, he seems like the type of idiot who would try and drag the name of twitch through the mud saying he was sacked because he was gay blah blah.

I highly doubt anybody would even listen to him at this point.

ColemanIt would only take a few leaders/celebs in the community to do a Moses and lead everyone off. Or at least, that is my opinion.

Get on this, it has to be the best way to do things for now. I could see LoL players migrating being a huge boost to Hitbox, but I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon because of the probable loss in revenue for them. Best (viable) way to go seems to be to get popular unpaid streamers to move over until Hitbox becomes a more established platform.

[quote=Coleman]Also, he seems like the type of idiot who would try and drag the name of twitch through the mud saying he was sacked because he was gay blah blah. [/quote]

I highly doubt anybody would even listen to him at this point.

[quote=Coleman]It would only take a few leaders/celebs in the community to do a Moses and lead everyone off. Or at least, that is my opinion.[/quote]

Get on this, it has to be the best way to do things for now. I could see LoL players migrating being a huge boost to Hitbox, but I don't think it's likely to happen anytime soon because of the probable loss in revenue for them. Best (viable) way to go seems to be to get popular unpaid streamers to move over until Hitbox becomes a more established platform.
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#141
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In my opinion, a good business would have higher ups take matters into their own hands and not let a situation like this get out of control. I may have just missed something, but without a statement from a higher up it feels like twitch just wants to sweep this under the rug and ignore the issue.

Edit: Ok, 2 minutes after I posted Twitch Apology

In my opinion, a good business would have higher ups take matters into their own hands and not let a situation like this get out of control. I may have just missed something, but without a statement from a higher up it feels like twitch just wants to sweep this under the rug and ignore the issue.

Edit: Ok, 2 minutes after I posted [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1r64e8/apology_official_twitch_response_to_controversy/]Twitch Apology[/url]
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#142
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edit got ninjad

edit got ninjad
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#143
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That's actually a legit apology, I'm satisfied once they unban me.

That's actually a legit apology, I'm satisfied once they unban me.
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#144
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Interesting how posts critical of the moderators/enigma are dealt with so swiftly compared to the dozen or so walls of anti-semitic garbage blinky posted yesterday.

Interesting how posts critical of the moderators/enigma are dealt with so swiftly compared to the dozen or so walls of anti-semitic garbage blinky posted yesterday.
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#145
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ya blink definitely isnt banned or anything after what he said yesterday

ya blink definitely isnt banned or anything after what he said yesterday
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#146
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mya blink definitely isnt banned or anything after what he said yesterday

After like an hour or two of posting. Yet posting remove enigma gets deleted instantly. Keyword in my post would have been swiftly.

[quote=m]ya blink definitely isnt banned or anything after what he said yesterday[/quote]
After like an hour or two of posting. Yet posting remove enigma gets deleted instantly. Keyword in my post would have been swiftly.
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#147
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who

who
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#148
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buckweetr4ptureReddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.

I find it odd the reddit admins/mods get really bent out of shape when companies use multiple alt accounts in order to simulate organic feedback, opinions, or upvotes, yet they oblige to twitch's request of censorship.

That requires a dive into the Meta section of Reddit.

Protip: Don't dive into the Meta section of Reddit.

[quote=buckweet][quote=r4pture]Reddit Mods/admins have deleted/hidden the front-page thread from r/gaming

the plot thickens.[/quote]

I find it odd the reddit admins/mods get really bent out of shape when companies use multiple alt accounts in order to simulate organic feedback, opinions, or upvotes, yet they oblige to twitch's request of censorship.[/quote]

That requires a dive into the Meta section of Reddit.

Protip: Don't dive into the Meta section of Reddit.
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#149
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They really needed to sack Horror to be honest. In Wales we have a saying. "Jobs for the boys" and they're just keeping him on as he's one of them and not because he is any good at his job. It also looks like Twitch is abdicating its responsibility and protecting a member of staff who created a massive shit storm that made the organisation look like a joke and has impacted on other peoples positions within the organisation. The volunteer admins were only following Horror's lead. Hope that hitbox doesn’t turn out to be a failure. Twitch needs competition, it's too divisive of a platform to be monopolised.

They really needed to sack Horror to be honest. In Wales we have a saying. "Jobs for the boys" and they're just keeping him on as he's one of them and not because he is any good at his job. It also looks like Twitch is abdicating its responsibility and protecting a member of staff who created a massive shit storm that made the organisation look like a joke and has impacted on other peoples positions within the organisation. The volunteer admins were only following Horror's lead. Hope that hitbox doesn’t turn out to be a failure. Twitch needs competition, it's too divisive of a platform to be monopolised.
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#150
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http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1r64e8/apology_official_twitch_response_to_controversy/

optimizeprimeWe at Twitch apologize for our role in what has been an unfortunate and ugly chapter for the streaming community. We'd like to repair the damage that has been done to the relationship between

Twitch and the Speedrunning community, in particular.

For context, here is a summary of the events as Twitch understands they occurred:

Twitch discovered that copyrighted images had been uploaded as emoticons to cyghfer’s chatroom on Twitch. Twitch policy clearly forbids unlicensed images from being used as subscription emoticons.
One of our staff members, Horror, notified cyghfer of this violation and removed the emoticons. Additionally, of the three emoticons which were removed, only two were actually unlicensed. One of them was actually licensed under Creative Commons and should not have been removed. We have notified cyghfer of our mistake in this matter.

Several Twitch users begin looking into our general policy for emoticons on Twitch, as they felt this policy was being enforced unevenly. One discovered the NightLight emoticon, a globally available emoticon, had been promoted to global status as a personal favor. It was clearly a licensed image however, as it had been commissioned explicitly as an emoticon for the Twitch site. The NightLight emoticon should not have been approved as a global emoticon and has been removed by request of the channel owner.

In reaction to this discovery about the NightLight emoticon and the previous emoticon removals, many users began to make jokes and other much less funny derogatory and/or offensive remarks in chat. Additionally, many of these users began harassing our staff and admins outside of Twitch chat using other social media channels.

Horror then banned many users from the Twitch site for this behavior. Harassment and/or defamation of any user on the site, including a staff member, is clearly against the Twitch terms of service. Some of the banned user’s remarks clearly cross this line, and those users were correctly banned. Other users made more innocuous remarks and should not have been banned. Horror was too close to this situation and should have recused himself in favor of less conflicted moderators. Being personally involved led to very poor decisions being made.

This whole situation began blowing up outside Twitch, including but not limited to Twitter and Reddit. One of our volunteer admins took it upon themselves to attempt to censor threads on Reddit. This was obviously a mistake, was not approved by Twitch, and the volunteer admin has since been removed. We at Twitch do not believe in censoring discussion, and more to the point know that it’s doomed to failure.

We take this incident very seriously and apologize for not better managing our staff, admins and policies regarding community moderation. There were several key mistakes made by Twitch in this process:

We failed to provide a valued partner with proper support when we needed to remove their unlicensed emoticons

We allowed a questionable emoticon to be made available in global chat

We failed to properly train our staff members to recuse themselves from personally involved situations, and as a result poor moderation decisions were made.

We did not have the structure or training in place in our moderation policies and training to deal with this episode properly.

What we're doing now and in the future:

Twitch users who were unfairly banned due to this incident are being systematically unbanned today.
The Twitch partners who were banned due to this incident have been provisionally unbanned pending investigation.

The NightLight emoticon has been removed.

Disciplinary action is being taken with regard to Twitch staff and members of the volunteer admin team who overstepped their authority.

Due to this incident, we are embarking on a full review of Twitch admin policies and community moderation procedures.

Horror has voluntarily stepped back from public facing moderation work at Twitch, as right now pretty much every moderation issue will be tainted by this episode.

In Our Defense:

Note that harassment and defamation (as opposed to criticism) of Twitch employees, partners, users, broadcasters, and humans in general is strictly prohibited by our terms of service and remain grounds for removal. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Users who committed acts of harassment or defamation will remain banned. Feel free to complain, protest, petition, etc. if you feel Twitch is making a mistake. Don’t harass or defame people.

Twitch staff did not ask any reddit moderators to remove or censor any threads.

“Twitch Administrators” are volunteer moderators who are not employed by Twitch. The activities depicted here and being falsely attributed to Twitch staff were undertaken by a volunteer admin who has since been removed from the program.

If you have further questions or comments, feel free to contact us directly via email at support@twitch.tv. Due to high expected volume, please be patient with us for responses in general on this topic.

Justice is served.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1r64e8/apology_official_twitch_response_to_controversy/

[quote=optimizeprime]
We at Twitch apologize for our role in what has been an unfortunate and ugly chapter for the streaming community. We'd like to repair the damage that has been done to the relationship between

Twitch and the Speedrunning community, in particular.

For context, here is a summary of the events as Twitch understands they occurred:

Twitch discovered that copyrighted images had been uploaded as emoticons to cyghfer’s chatroom on Twitch. Twitch policy clearly forbids unlicensed images from being used as subscription emoticons.
One of our staff members, Horror, notified cyghfer of this violation and removed the emoticons. Additionally, of the three emoticons which were removed, only two were actually unlicensed. One of them was actually licensed under Creative Commons and should not have been removed. We have notified cyghfer of our mistake in this matter.

Several Twitch users begin looking into our general policy for emoticons on Twitch, as they felt this policy was being enforced unevenly. One discovered the NightLight emoticon, a globally available emoticon, had been promoted to global status as a personal favor. It was clearly a licensed image however, as it had been commissioned explicitly as an emoticon for the Twitch site. The NightLight emoticon should not have been approved as a global emoticon and has been removed by request of the channel owner.

In reaction to this discovery about the NightLight emoticon and the previous emoticon removals, many users began to make jokes and other much less funny derogatory and/or offensive remarks in chat. Additionally, many of these users began harassing our staff and admins outside of Twitch chat using other social media channels.

Horror then banned many users from the Twitch site for this behavior. Harassment and/or defamation of any user on the site, including a staff member, is clearly against the Twitch terms of service. Some of the banned user’s remarks clearly cross this line, and those users were correctly banned. Other users made more innocuous remarks and should not have been banned. Horror was too close to this situation and should have recused himself in favor of less conflicted moderators. Being personally involved led to very poor decisions being made.

This whole situation began blowing up outside Twitch, including but not limited to Twitter and Reddit. One of our volunteer admins took it upon themselves to attempt to censor threads on Reddit. This was obviously a mistake, was not approved by Twitch, and the volunteer admin has since been removed. We at Twitch do not believe in censoring discussion, and more to the point know that it’s doomed to failure.

We take this incident very seriously and apologize for not better managing our staff, admins and policies regarding community moderation. There were several key mistakes made by Twitch in this process:

We failed to provide a valued partner with proper support when we needed to remove their unlicensed emoticons

We allowed a questionable emoticon to be made available in global chat

We failed to properly train our staff members to recuse themselves from personally involved situations, and as a result poor moderation decisions were made.

We did not have the structure or training in place in our moderation policies and training to deal with this episode properly.

What we're doing now and in the future:

Twitch users who were unfairly banned due to this incident are being systematically unbanned today.
The Twitch partners who were banned due to this incident have been provisionally unbanned pending investigation.

The NightLight emoticon has been removed.

Disciplinary action is being taken with regard to Twitch staff and members of the volunteer admin team who overstepped their authority.

Due to this incident, we are embarking on a full review of Twitch admin policies and community moderation procedures.

[b]Horror has voluntarily stepped back from public facing moderation work at Twitch, as right now pretty much every moderation issue will be tainted by this episode.[/b]

In Our Defense:

Note that harassment and defamation (as opposed to criticism) of Twitch employees, partners, users, broadcasters, and humans in general is strictly prohibited by our terms of service and remain grounds for removal. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Users who committed acts of harassment or defamation will remain banned. Feel free to complain, protest, petition, etc. if you feel Twitch is making a mistake. Don’t harass or defame people.

Twitch staff did not ask any reddit moderators to remove or censor any threads.

“Twitch Administrators” are volunteer moderators who are not employed by Twitch. The activities depicted here and being falsely attributed to Twitch staff were undertaken by a volunteer admin who has since been removed from the program.

If you have further questions or comments, feel free to contact us directly via email at support@twitch.tv. Due to high expected volume, please be patient with us for responses in general on this topic. [/quote]

Justice is served.
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