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#181
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kbtoIs casual and competitive defined by the format and not the attitude of the players?

The format of FACEIT incentivizes more competitive playing: you get points for winning, which means that if you decide to fuck around with some silly loadout etc. Different formats attracts different players; it would be an uphill battle for casual players to try to play casually in PUGs instead of Valve pubs.

kbtoand the claim about the balancing being awful about how it's always rolls and they need a working elo system would just turn it into a competitive mode as people would now care about win / loss.

A working ELO system is not the same as caring about win / loss. A behind-the-scenes ELO system would mean that players play with their respective skill ranges. But having a ranking system that (roughly) displays that ELO incentivizes getting better and is what creates value of that win / loss. If you are a casual player and just want to fuck around, you don't want to care about raising your ELO; you just want to be in the right ELO: I assume that casual players don't really want to try, but still want to get a kill and win every once in a while.

kbtoloud uneducated hyper casual players who don't even know what they want

That is pretty patronizing. It's not like these casual players are just where the special-ed kids go; it's the majority of the player base. They probably know what they want.

kbtoso many of these players take a hive mind opinion off of some god awful video

This whole thread is a circlejerk. I actually quite like FaceIt: it's much more gratifying to win and get kills when everyone is actually trying, and there are no bots.

[quote=kbto]Is casual and competitive defined by the format and not the attitude of the players?[/quote]
The format of FACEIT incentivizes more competitive playing: you get points for winning, which means that if you decide to fuck around with some silly loadout etc. Different formats attracts different players; it would be an uphill battle for casual players to try to play casually in PUGs instead of Valve pubs.

[quote=kbto]and the claim about the balancing being awful about how it's always rolls and they need a working elo system would just turn it into a competitive mode as people would now care about win / loss.[/quote]
A working ELO system is not the same as caring about win / loss. A behind-the-scenes ELO system would mean that players play with their respective skill ranges. But having a ranking system that (roughly) displays that ELO incentivizes getting better and is what creates value of that win / loss. If you are a casual player and just want to fuck around, you don't want to care about raising your ELO; you just want to be in the right ELO: I assume that casual players don't really want to try, but still want to get a kill and win every once in a while.

[quote=kbto]loud uneducated hyper casual players who don't even know what they want[/quote]
That is pretty patronizing. It's not like these casual players are just where the special-ed kids go; it's the majority of the player base. They probably know what they want.
[quote=kbto]so many of these players take a hive mind opinion off of some god awful video[/quote]
This whole thread is a circlejerk. I actually quite like FaceIt: it's much more gratifying to win and get kills when everyone is actually trying, and there are no bots.
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#182
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Zestykirisameedit: as insufferable zesty is as well (as mentioned by someone else once again)
wtf cmon man

tesco carpark tomorrow at 20 be there or be square!!!!!!!11

[quote=Zesty][quote=kirisame]
edit: as insufferable zesty is as well (as mentioned by someone else once again)[/quote]

wtf cmon man[/quote]
tesco carpark tomorrow at 20 be there or be square!!!!!!!11
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#183
10 Frags +

I still don't see why people who don't like Faceit just don't play them... If it ruins the casual nature just go back to casual then.

I still don't see why people who don't like Faceit just don't play them... If it ruins the casual nature just go back to casual then.
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#184
5 Frags +
bean_spruggetkbtoIs casual and competitive defined by the format and not the attitude of the players?The format of FACEIT incentivizes more competitive playing: you get points for winning, which means that if you decide to fuck around with some silly loadout etc. Different formats attracts different players; it would be an uphill battle for casual players to try to play casually in PUGs instead of Valve pubs.
kbtoand the claim about the balancing being awful about how it's always rolls and they need a working elo system would just turn it into a competitive mode as people would now care about win / loss.A working ELO system is not the same as caring about win / loss. A behind-the-scenes ELO system would mean that players play with their respective skill ranges. But having a ranking system that (roughly) displays that ELO incentivizes getting better and is what creates value of that win / loss. If you are a casual player and just want to fuck around, you don't want to care about raising your ELO; you just want to be in the right ELO: I assume that casual players don't really want to try, but still want to get a kill and win every once in a while.
kbtoloud uneducated hyper casual players who don't even know what they wantThat is pretty patronizing. It's not like these casual players are just where the special-ed kids go; it's the majority of the player base. They probably know what they want.kbtoso many of these players take a hive mind opinion off of some god awful videoThis whole thread is a circlejerk. I actually quite like FaceIt: it's much more gratifying to win and get kills when everyone is actually trying, and there are no bots.

Signed Up March 25, 2021

gtfo

[quote=bean_sprugget][quote=kbto]Is casual and competitive defined by the format and not the attitude of the players?[/quote]
The format of FACEIT incentivizes more competitive playing: you get points for winning, which means that if you decide to fuck around with some silly loadout etc. Different formats attracts different players; it would be an uphill battle for casual players to try to play casually in PUGs instead of Valve pubs.

[quote=kbto]and the claim about the balancing being awful about how it's always rolls and they need a working elo system would just turn it into a competitive mode as people would now care about win / loss.[/quote]
A working ELO system is not the same as caring about win / loss. A behind-the-scenes ELO system would mean that players play with their respective skill ranges. But having a ranking system that (roughly) displays that ELO incentivizes getting better and is what creates value of that win / loss. If you are a casual player and just want to fuck around, you don't want to care about raising your ELO; you just want to be in the right ELO: I assume that casual players don't really want to try, but still want to get a kill and win every once in a while.

[quote=kbto]loud uneducated hyper casual players who don't even know what they want[/quote]
That is pretty patronizing. It's not like these casual players are just where the special-ed kids go; it's the majority of the player base. They probably know what they want.
[quote=kbto]so many of these players take a hive mind opinion off of some god awful video[/quote]
This whole thread is a circlejerk. I actually quite like FaceIt: it's much more gratifying to win and get kills when everyone is actually trying, and there are no bots.[/quote]

Signed Up March 25, 2021


gtfo
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#185
8 Frags +

Just play video game, if u like play more if u don't like stop

Just play video game, if u like play more if u don't like stop
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#186
7 Frags +

Some ppl are doing this annoying trick to win daily ladders.

since you win by total games played in that ladder (and not winrate etc..) , ppl are !gg ing after one round of payload. It happened to me 4 times in a row, everytime with top3 players from daily ladder. They stay in spawn so ppl will actually agree on surrendering cause its basically 7v12.

Some ppl are doing this annoying trick to win daily ladders.

since you win by total games played in that ladder (and not winrate etc..) , ppl are !gg ing after one round of payload. It happened to me 4 times in a row, everytime with top3 players from daily ladder. They stay in spawn so ppl will actually agree on surrendering cause its basically 7v12.
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#187
12 Frags +

I've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.

Overall I find these faceit pubs to be very enjoyable. It's refreshing when most of the people in the game aren't day-1-noobs and are actually trying and playing the objective. And no random crits and no hackerbots.

I've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.

Overall I find these faceit pubs to be very enjoyable. It's refreshing when most of the people in the game aren't day-1-noobs and are actually trying and playing the objective. And no random crits and no hackerbots.
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#188
22 Frags +

daily ladders is such a dumb design.
total games played in 24 hours wins..

How did they not see the exploit possibilities in that one
Literally every game I played today was either a forfeit, or like jaguar said, a stack staying in spawn.
They have to fix this asap or the faceit hype is going to end as quickly as last time

daily ladders is such a dumb design.
total games played in 24 hours wins..

How did they not see the exploit possibilities in that one
Literally every game I played today was either a forfeit, or like jaguar said, a stack staying in spawn.
They have to fix this asap or the faceit hype is going to end as quickly as last time
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#189
3 Frags +
JaguarFiendI've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.

Overall I find these faceit pubs to be very enjoyable. It's refreshing when most of the people in the game aren't day-1-noobs and are actually trying and playing the objective. And no random crits and no hackerbots.

i wouldn't be surprised if these guys were connected to ladder players somehow

[quote=JaguarFiend]I've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.

Overall I find these faceit pubs to be very enjoyable. It's refreshing when most of the people in the game aren't day-1-noobs and are actually trying and playing the objective. And no random crits and no hackerbots.[/quote]
i wouldn't be surprised if these guys were connected to ladder players somehow
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#190
0 Frags +

idk, the league system is kinda retarded past like whatever the fuck rank you start losing points at. theres 0 incentive to try unless youre in a stack because pubbers have been lobotomised or some shit other than that add pro versions of maps

idk, the league system is kinda retarded past like whatever the fuck rank you start losing points at. theres 0 incentive to try unless youre in a stack because pubbers have been lobotomised or some shit other than that add pro versions of maps
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#191
2 Frags +

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734892380964126821/826458488837636167/unknown.png

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nice anti-cheat))

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nice anti-cheat))
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#192
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BumFreezecre-8is it time for me to revive 6v6 tf2 faceit? i can do so. i just need legitimate support thatll increase my emotional stability for this community.thanks for the offer but i think i'll wait for the official launch

there will be no official launch because of what happened last time. remember TF2PL? that sucked major balls, i called them out when i was even worse than i am now, and they died due to RGL and that place sucks too. i will rebel if i have to.

[quote=BumFreeze][quote=cre-8]is it time for me to revive 6v6 tf2 faceit? i can do so. i just need legitimate support thatll increase my emotional stability for this community.[/quote]
thanks for the offer but i think i'll wait for the official launch[/quote]
there will be no official launch because of what happened last time. remember TF2PL? that sucked major balls, i called them out when i was even worse than i am now, and they died due to RGL and that place sucks too. i will rebel if i have to.
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#193
5 Frags +
cre-8BumFreezecre-8is it time for me to revive 6v6 tf2 faceit? i can do so. i just need legitimate support thatll increase my emotional stability for this community.thanks for the offer but i think i'll wait for the official launchthere will be no official launch because of what happened last time. remember TF2PL? that sucked major balls, i called them out when i was even worse than i am now, and they died due to RGL and that place sucks too. i will rebel if i have to.

no really thats okay

[quote=cre-8][quote=BumFreeze][quote=cre-8]is it time for me to revive 6v6 tf2 faceit? i can do so. i just need legitimate support thatll increase my emotional stability for this community.[/quote]
thanks for the offer but i think i'll wait for the official launch[/quote]
there will be no official launch because of what happened last time. remember TF2PL? that sucked major balls, i called them out when i was even worse than i am now, and they died due to RGL and that place sucks too. i will rebel if i have to.[/quote]
no really thats okay
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#194
6 Frags +

I find it so frustrating that we have the chance to improve on casual yet everyone wants to keep everything exactly the same. FACEIT has said they are against using custom maps like product/badwater_pro. Why? They could even go as far as implementing balance changes decided by the community - buffing weapons that have no use. But nah, we cant possibly change anything about this 13 year old game beyond random crits.

I find it so frustrating that we have the chance to improve on casual yet everyone wants to keep everything exactly the same. FACEIT has said they are against using custom maps like product/badwater_pro. Why? They could even go as far as implementing balance changes decided by the community - buffing weapons that have no use. But nah, we cant possibly change anything about this 13 year old game beyond random crits.
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#195
-2 Frags +

I just want cp_badlands in the map pool

I just want cp_badlands in the map pool
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#196
0 Frags +

Anyone else just getting matched with people staying in spawn farming heals?
Lost 1 game with 3 turks doing that and next one 3 kazakhs doing the same thing...

Anyone else just getting matched with people staying in spawn farming heals?
Lost 1 game with 3 turks doing that and next one 3 kazakhs doing the same thing...
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#197
2 Frags +
JaguarFiendI've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.
[quote=JaguarFiend]I've seen groups of 2-4 guys join on sunshine (the fastest map to lose on) and pick medic and then afk in the spawn basically. So that sabotages the team into getting rolled real quick and they still pick up a ton of ladder points or whatever they're farming. Annoying. At least hit them with the thumbs-down report thingy after the game ends.[/quote]
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#198
2 Frags +
SagaAnyone else just getting matched with people staying in spawn farming heals?
Lost 1 game with 3 turks doing that and next one 3 kazakhs doing the same thing...

the premium medic mission is such an insane grind that this is pretty much the only way to complete it and the other missions in time.
pretty unfortunate

[quote=Saga]Anyone else just getting matched with people staying in spawn farming heals?
Lost 1 game with 3 turks doing that and next one 3 kazakhs doing the same thing...[/quote]
the premium medic mission is such an insane grind that this is pretty much the only way to complete it and the other missions in time.
pretty unfortunate
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#199
17 Frags +

https://blog.faceit.com/faceit-tf2-season-2-the-beta-so-far-7577e1427b4

New faceit update. Season 2 launches May 1. Here are the changes to season 2 as well as some changes they plan to make in the future at an unspecified date

Season 2 changes

  • Reworking missions to be less painful to complete and award more points
  • New shop items
  • New ladders and point resets

Changes for the future

  • New matchmaking algorithm to improve balance
  • Anticheat improvements, as well as less players being required to run the anticheat
  • 12v12 premade matches called "clan wars"
  • A more casual replacement for quickplay, separate from Faceit's current matchmaking
  • Servers for Asia, Australia, and South America (no timeframe on these except that they'll be after they're happy with the state of Faceit matchmaking)
  • Support for competitive tf2 (they explicitly mention 6s and growing the current competitive scene)
https://blog.faceit.com/faceit-tf2-season-2-the-beta-so-far-7577e1427b4

New faceit update. Season 2 launches May 1. Here are the changes to season 2 as well as some changes they plan to make in the future at an unspecified date

Season 2 changes
[list]
[*] Reworking missions to be less painful to complete and award more points
[*] New shop items
[*] New ladders and point resets
[/list]

Changes for the future
[list]
[*] New matchmaking algorithm to improve balance
[*] Anticheat improvements, as well as less players being required to run the anticheat
[*] 12v12 premade matches called "clan wars"
[*] A more casual replacement for quickplay, separate from Faceit's current matchmaking
[*] Servers for Asia, Australia, and South America (no timeframe on these except that they'll be after they're happy with the state of Faceit matchmaking)
[*] Support for competitive tf2 (they explicitly mention 6s and growing the current competitive scene)
[/list]
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