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My medic, ghadilli, was banned 2/28 for "Antisemitic comments."
The context: "bad players jew wins"

Not only is it ridiculous to be banned from the platform for such a small context, but RGL Admins whom ghad spoke to aren't certain whether or not that warranted the ban. It's a "maybe this", but no specific direction to lead to understanding. The bans are unclear, and sometimes unjustified, and I think this case is not only unclear but not warranted at all, specified in paragraph 2.

Ghadilli reached out to try to appeal his ban. After a few hours, he was met with a LOGIN BAN. What? How do you go from a ban for saying what he said to a full-on login ban. Is reaching out for an appeal and going through the appeal form some sort of trap? Trying to make sense of it, ghadilli reaches out to with some RGL admins, with no good results. It's a pity to see a full team of admins come up with this. What could warrant a login ban? Is asking for a reason for the ban going to result in a even worse ban? I'm surprised they didn't put him on full probation as well, just like the cember case not too long ago. This case led to ghadilli full quitting the platform entirely. All the work he puts into the team, into TF2 as a whole just got wasted due to this minuscule exchange of hatred towards another player (In this context, would it be considered harassment instead?) due to the large amount of time we as a team spent reasoning with the other team. Not only did we try professionally to handle the situation ourselves during that matchup, we tried to talk with reason and was just met with bad sportsmanship on their end, which resulted in our medic saying that phrase. Ghadilli understands that it could have been mistaken as hurtful, and has stated that. It's not about the ban, but the response of this ban.

I do want to say that Daffodil did help make sense and tried to help ghadilli.

The ways you can get banned on this platform are plentiful, and they ways that the RGL admin team respond with are outright wrong and stupid. Everything this season has led to a thread or to something bigger about the RGL admin team and how they handle things like this. Not saying he should be unbanned or anything, I want to try to tell others about this situation and hope reconsideration occurs. If not, then I waste time writing and I'll fall out with my medic friend ghadilli.

Sigafoo reached out (to me?) and told me all bans on RGL are login bans, and they should log you out when you are banned. This was not the case with ghadilli, and logged in to see the ban the next day. This problem resolution is awful, and resulted in the confusion of not only me and ghadilli, but our entire team. Doesn't matter the outcome, nothing will be changed. Having any criticism of this platform either leads to a ban or is outright ignored by players like me. Since i'm known as that certified eTerrorist™️, anything I do will just be ignored.

I've explained how much I hate the system that RGL uses to handle bans in a professional manner before, but none come close to actually being banned yourself or having a teammate banned like this.

My medic, ghadilli, was banned 2/28 for "Antisemitic comments."
The context: "bad players jew wins"

Not only is it ridiculous to be banned from the platform for such a small context, but RGL Admins whom ghad spoke to aren't certain whether or not that warranted the ban. It's a "maybe this", but no specific direction to lead to understanding. The bans are unclear, and sometimes unjustified, and I think this case is not only unclear but not warranted at all, specified in paragraph 2.

Ghadilli reached out to try to appeal his ban. After a few hours, he was met with a LOGIN BAN. What? How do you go from a ban for saying what he said to a full-on login ban. Is reaching out for an appeal and going through the appeal form some sort of trap? Trying to make sense of it, ghadilli reaches out to with some RGL admins, with no good results. It's a pity to see a full team of admins come up with this. What could warrant a login ban? Is asking for a reason for the ban going to result in a even worse ban? I'm surprised they didn't put him on full probation as well, just like the cember case not too long ago. This case led to ghadilli full quitting the platform entirely. All the work he puts into the team, into TF2 as a whole just got wasted due to this minuscule exchange of hatred towards another player (In this context, would it be considered harassment instead?) due to the large amount of time we as a team spent reasoning with the other team. Not only did we try professionally to handle the situation ourselves during that matchup, we tried to talk with reason and was just met with bad sportsmanship on their end, which resulted in our medic saying that phrase. Ghadilli understands that it could have been mistaken as hurtful, and has stated that. It's not about the ban, but the response of this ban.

I do want to say that Daffodil did help make sense and tried to help ghadilli.

The ways you can get banned on this platform are plentiful, and they ways that the RGL admin team respond with are outright wrong and stupid. Everything this season has led to a thread or to something bigger about the RGL admin team and how they handle things like this. Not saying he should be unbanned or anything, I want to try to tell others about this situation and hope reconsideration occurs. If not, then I waste time writing and I'll fall out with my medic friend ghadilli.

Sigafoo reached out (to me?) and told me all bans on RGL are login bans, and they should log you out when you are banned. This was not the case with ghadilli, and logged in to see the ban the next day. This problem resolution is awful, and resulted in the confusion of not only me and ghadilli, but our entire team. Doesn't matter the outcome, nothing will be changed. Having any criticism of this platform either leads to a ban or is outright ignored by players like me. Since i'm known as that certified eTerrorist™️, anything I do will just be ignored.

I've explained how much I hate the system that RGL uses to handle bans in a professional manner before, but none come close to actually being banned yourself or having a teammate banned like this.
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#2
45 Frags +

10 million jews died in the holocaust and he has the gall to say that

unbelievable

10 million jews died in the holocaust and he has the gall to say that

unbelievable
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#3
54 Frags +

how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesus

how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesus
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#4
-8 Frags +
Air_how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesus

I mean you talk quite a lot too.

[quote=Air_]how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesus[/quote]
I mean you talk quite a lot too.
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#5
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rgl admins are poopyheads

rgl admins are poopyheads
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#6
1 Frags +

the gritoma curse kills its fourth team

the gritoma curse kills its fourth team
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#7
26 Frags +

is the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself

is the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself
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#8
13 Frags +

of course not

of course not
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#9
-6 Frags +
Gritomathe gritoma curse kills its fourth team

We're far from dead buddy, leave that to me next week!

[quote=Gritoma]the gritoma curse kills its fourth team[/quote]
We're far from dead buddy, leave that to me next week!
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#10
-18 Frags +

deserved

dont be stupid

deserved

dont be stupid
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#11
8 Frags +
dishsoapdeserved

dont be stupid

?????????????????
so he should get a login ban for appealing?

[quote=dishsoap]deserved

dont be stupid[/quote]
?????????????????
so he should get a login ban for appealing?
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#12
-10 Frags +

what did his appeal say.

im not accepting his login ban was unjustified until i got the context.

what did his appeal say.

im not accepting his login ban was unjustified until i got the context.
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#13
28 Frags +

unbind y. chat is no longer safe. big brother is always watching

unbind y. chat is no longer safe. big brother is always watching
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#14
7 Frags +
dishsoap

I said that I was sorry for saying what I did and would try to be respectful in the future. At this point it doesn't even matter anyway, I talked to Daf about it and he told me there was nothing he could do because the other admins (whether that's the sixes admins or the head admins, I don't know) don't care.

If you want the full story, my team was trying roster Owib for the rest of the season. Through a comedy of errors that doesn't matter at this point, nobody talked to an admin about getting him rostered or anything until the day of the match, so to have him play he would officially be a ringer, even though we were planning on rostering him. When match time came, Jag waited until 10 minutes after our match time to tell us the ringer was denied (he didn't count as a default ringer because he was previously on an advanced roster), and then threatened to "force the issue" (presumably meaning he intended to report a forfeit win) if we didn't play right then. So in a scramble to find a way to play, Jag denied a few other players, and after talking to Daf (I'm pretty sure he was in the middle of playing a match or scrim of his own at the time, too) we figured the only way to play that wouldn't be 5v6 was to have Owib med (Daf specifically said he could play medic and only medic as a default ringer) and have me play scout/soldier (without warmup I'm pretty awful on both, and Owib wasn't the best medic either). Already tilted and with 2 players playing classes they were VERY uncomfortable on, we got rolled. Before we started I told Jag & friends that what they were doing was bullshit and I wasn't happy with the way they were handling the situation. And then after we got rolled I said, "bad players [BAD WORD] wins" and left the server.

Did I fuck up? sure. Was Jag extremely fucking petty and unsportsmanlike through our match and then continued to act like a child by reporting me? yep. Am I sorry? I'm sorry if I hurt any feelings, but I strongly suspect I didn't. At this point it doesn't really matter though, I'm certainly never playing RGL again after this season, and as a result probably TF2 as a whole. It sucks that this is how it ends, but I'm not really interested in playing a game where this kind of behavior still happens at this level of competition, and where this kind of admin negligence happens at all. Daf was chill and down to earth with me about this after the fact, and I haven't spoken to any of the other admins for any problems like this before, but clearly there's some flaw in the system. I hope it gets sorted out before some other idiot like me gets banned for being mad on the internet, but I won't be around to see it either way. I love you guys and I'll miss the way this game used to make me feel, but I don't have the mental wherewithal to deal with this level of bullshit. cu@ RGB, hope I get to go out with another banger of a LAN.

[quote=dishsoap][/quote]

I said that I was sorry for saying what I did and would try to be respectful in the future. At this point it doesn't even matter anyway, I talked to Daf about it and he told me there was nothing he could do because the other admins (whether that's the sixes admins or the head admins, I don't know) don't care.

If you want the full story, my team was trying roster Owib for the rest of the season. Through a comedy of errors that doesn't matter at this point, nobody talked to an admin about getting him rostered or anything until the day of the match, so to have him play he would officially be a ringer, even though we were planning on rostering him. When match time came, Jag waited until 10 minutes after our match time to tell us the ringer was denied (he didn't count as a default ringer because he was previously on an advanced roster), and then threatened to "force the issue" (presumably meaning he intended to report a forfeit win) if we didn't play right then. So in a scramble to find a way to play, Jag denied a few other players, and after talking to Daf (I'm pretty sure he was in the middle of playing a match or scrim of his own at the time, too) we figured the only way to play that wouldn't be 5v6 was to have Owib med (Daf specifically said he could play medic and only medic as a default ringer) and have me play scout/soldier (without warmup I'm pretty awful on both, and Owib wasn't the best medic either). Already tilted and with 2 players playing classes they were VERY uncomfortable on, we got rolled. Before we started I told Jag & friends that what they were doing was bullshit and I wasn't happy with the way they were handling the situation. And then after we got rolled I said, "bad players [BAD WORD] wins" and left the server.

Did I fuck up? sure. Was Jag extremely fucking petty and unsportsmanlike through our match and then continued to act like a child by reporting me? yep. Am I sorry? I'm sorry if I hurt any feelings, but I strongly suspect I didn't. At this point it doesn't really matter though, I'm certainly never playing RGL again after this season, and as a result probably TF2 as a whole. It sucks that this is how it ends, but I'm not really interested in playing a game where this kind of behavior still happens at this level of competition, and where this kind of admin negligence happens at all. Daf was chill and down to earth with me about this after the fact, and I haven't spoken to any of the other admins for any problems like this before, but clearly there's some flaw in the system. I hope it gets sorted out before some other idiot like me gets banned for being mad on the internet, but I won't be around to see it either way. I love you guys and I'll miss the way this game used to make me feel, but I don't have the mental wherewithal to deal with this level of bullshit. cu@ RGB, hope I get to go out with another banger of a LAN.
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#15
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Spuis the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself

dont be a dumbass, hes clearly using the word "jew" to mean "person who abuses the rules to achieve a specific result"

idk i guess i could be offended by it, but its clearly not intended in an offensive manner and to me seems like it straddles the line of policing words too harshly. definitely a heat of the moment phrase, not directed as an insult to jews specifically, but also it is an insult to jag? and therefore is using jew as an insult? idk

also im pretty sure jag is jewish too so that might be why he bothered reporting it

[quote=Spu]is the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself[/quote]

dont be a dumbass, hes clearly using the word "jew" to mean "person who abuses the rules to achieve a specific result"

idk i guess i could be offended by it, but its clearly not intended in an offensive manner and to me seems like it straddles the line of policing words too harshly. definitely a heat of the moment phrase, not directed as an insult to jews specifically, but also it is an insult to jag? and therefore is using jew as an insult? idk

also im pretty sure jag is jewish too so that might be why he bothered reporting it
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#16
0 Frags +
ghadilli

I would also like to emphasize that not only did we want to get another ringer, and were willing to grab another ringer, all the options were either low advanced or not available due to it being a match night, plus we reached out and tried to grab some but all of our options were denied or did not respond. The idea of limiting an advanced player to just medic when there's plenty of advanced players on offclasses this season in main is an idea of itself.

[quote=ghadilli][/quote]

I would also like to emphasize that not only did we want to get another ringer, and were willing to grab another ringer, all the options were either low advanced or not available due to it being a match night, plus we reached out and tried to grab some but all of our options were denied or did not respond. The idea of limiting an advanced player to just medic when there's plenty of advanced players on offclasses this season in main is an idea of itself.
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#17
32 Frags +
dishsoapdeserved

dont be stupid

hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys

rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it

[quote=dishsoap]deserved

dont be stupid[/quote]
hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys


rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it
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#18
-20 Frags +
edindishsoapdeserved

dont be stupid
hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys

rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it

our team literally got disqualified from the league for that bro. thats the definition of deserved, no favors given to us.

[quote=edin][quote=dishsoap]deserved

dont be stupid[/quote]
hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys


rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it[/quote]
our team literally got disqualified from the league for that bro. thats the definition of deserved, no favors given to us.
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#19
21 Frags +
dishsoapedindishsoapdeserved

dont be stupid
hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys

rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it
our team literally got disqualified from the league for that bro. thats the definition of deserved, no favors given to us.

you shouldnt call other people stupid without taking a look at yourself

[quote=dishsoap][quote=edin][quote=dishsoap]deserved

dont be stupid[/quote]
hey remember when you wasted an hour of me and 5 of my teammates time for a joke and then proceeded to enter the match as a win for you guys

yeah dont be stupid guys


rgl is going to ban the people they dont like and "warn" the people they do like there is nothing you can do about it[/quote]
our team literally got disqualified from the league for that bro. thats the definition of deserved, no favors given to us.[/quote]
you shouldnt call other people stupid without taking a look at yourself
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#20
-24 Frags +

stupid recognize stupid man sorry for not being apologetic to people acting stupid

stupid recognize stupid man sorry for not being apologetic to people acting stupid
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#21
-9 Frags +

Honestly a ridiculous ban. Afaik, Sigafoo himself is Jewish, or at least a lot of people assume he is. However, with that being said, people getting butt hurt over something that held little to no context and showed no hate to Semites, doesn't surprise me in the world that we live in. A majority of folks within the TF2 community are snowflakes and will use any excuse to ruin something for someone.

#Freeghadilli

Honestly a ridiculous ban. Afaik, Sigafoo himself is Jewish, or at least a lot of people assume he is. However, with that being said, people getting butt hurt over something that held little to no context and showed no hate to Semites, doesn't surprise me in the world that we live in. A majority of folks within the TF2 community are snowflakes and will use any excuse to ruin something for someone.

#Freeghadilli
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#22
-3 Frags +

edited post. Seems that their admin division is trying to clear out confusion but in a way that I disagree with. read more!

edited post. Seems that their admin division is trying to clear out confusion but in a way that I disagree with. read more!
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#24
44 Frags +

Now that the anti semite menace has finally been stopped let us all tune into the NURBY Stream featured on the rgl homepage!

Now that the anti semite menace has finally been stopped let us all tune into the NURBY Stream featured on the rgl homepage!
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#25
-13 Frags +

"jewing" wins and "forfeit jewing" have been terms for over a decade

"jewing" wins and "forfeit jewing" have been terms for over a decade
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#26
3 Frags +
24Air_how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesusI mean you talk quite a lot too.

yet i'm not banned somehow, weird

[quote=24][quote=Air_]how hard is it to stop talking in chat jesus[/quote]
I mean you talk quite a lot too.[/quote]

yet i'm not banned somehow, weird
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#27
39 Frags +
MRfunnyalien"jewing" wins and "forfeit jewing" have been terms for over a decade

the funny word has been a term since the 1700s whats ur point

[quote=MRfunnyalien]"jewing" wins and "forfeit jewing" have been terms for over a decade[/quote]
the funny word has been a term since the 1700s whats ur point
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#28
-48 Frags +

For real you guys are idiots if you get banned for saying shit in a chat box

For real you guys are idiots if you get banned for saying shit in a chat box
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#29
39 Frags +
BrockFor real you guys are idiots if you get banned for saying shit in a chat box

dont care didnt read autodownfragged because your posts suck

[quote=Brock]For real you guys are idiots if you get banned for saying shit in a chat box[/quote]
dont care didnt read autodownfragged because your posts suck
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#30
26 Frags +
MenachemSpuis the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself
dont be a dumbass, hes clearly using the word "jew" to mean "person who abuses the rules to achieve a specific result"

idk i guess i could be offended by it, but its clearly not intended in an offensive manner and to me seems like it straddles the line of policing words too harshly. definitely a heat of the moment phrase, not directed as an insult to jews specifically, but also it is an insult to jag? and therefore is using jew as an insult? idk

also im pretty sure jag is jewish too so that might be why he bothered reporting it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/287032820109410304/671398274942369803/unknown.png

[quote=Menachem][quote=Spu]is the word "Jew" anti-semitic in itself[/quote]

dont be a dumbass, hes clearly using the word "jew" to mean "person who abuses the rules to achieve a specific result"

idk i guess i could be offended by it, but its clearly not intended in an offensive manner and to me seems like it straddles the line of policing words too harshly. definitely a heat of the moment phrase, not directed as an insult to jews specifically, but also it is an insult to jag? and therefore is using jew as an insult? idk

also im pretty sure jag is jewish too so that might be why he bothered reporting it[/quote]


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