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Announcing RGL.gg Sixes - Season 1
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#181
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My only hope is that those in charge will take the constructive criticism from this thread and make changes. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is all falling on deaf ears.

My only hope is that those in charge will take the constructive criticism from this thread and make changes. Unfortunately I get the feeling that this is all falling on deaf ears.
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#182
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I feel like we're missing some valuable opinions in these rules discussions with invite players. It would be ideal if someone like nursey was there who has played both esea and etf2l extensively. Or one of the etf2l admins to at least give some pointers on how a non org league runs.

I feel like we're missing some valuable opinions in these rules discussions with invite players. It would be ideal if someone like nursey was there who has played both esea and etf2l extensively. Or one of the etf2l admins to at least give some pointers on how a non org league runs.
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#183
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Writer job security, another union win.

Writer job security, another union win.
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serveme.tf
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I'm a little late to the party, so first of all, good luck Sigafoo with this first season of real competitive TF2 at RGL (lolhl). You've shown your dedication and tenacity in your previous leagues, so I'm confident you have the skills to make this 6v6 league a success.
I am still hoping for some competition though ;)

Like others before me in this thread, I was hoping to change your/RGLs mind about two things planned for this first season:

The whitelist:
Using the global whitelist instead of a modified ESEA one would be great. You could still modify it mid-season if stuff seems broken, exactly like it's mentioned in the current rules for the ESEA whitelist. Basically a RGL-version of the global whitelist, but only if it's needed. No bureaucracy required.

External casters
I get the technical concerns about allowing more people on STV, but simply attaching an STV relay yourself (a good idea anyway) or requiring 3rd party casters to bring their own relay solves this.

That just leaves the exposure for the sponsor and the stream viewer numbers. I think more streams get more people to watch a game, not less, so just request 3rd party streams to use your sponsor's assets when casting RGL games. Seems fair to me. I'm willing to provide STV relays to any caster that needs them.

To anyone unhappy with RGL or Sigafoo and thinking it's unfixable, please support those working on alternatives and actually try to help them, because it's going to take the amount of effort Sigafoo puts into RGL to deliver a better product and he's already done this before.

I'm a little late to the party, so first of all, good luck Sigafoo with this first season of real competitive TF2 at RGL (lolhl). You've shown your dedication and tenacity in your previous leagues, so I'm confident you have the skills to make this 6v6 league a success.
I am still hoping for some competition though ;)

Like others before me in this thread, I was hoping to change your/RGLs mind about two things planned for this first season:

[b]The whitelist:[/b]
Using the global whitelist instead of a modified ESEA one would be great. You could still modify it mid-season if stuff seems broken, exactly like it's mentioned in the current rules for the ESEA whitelist. Basically a RGL-version of the global whitelist, but only if it's needed. No bureaucracy required.


[b]External casters[/b]
I get the technical concerns about allowing more people on STV, but simply attaching an STV relay yourself (a good idea anyway) or requiring 3rd party casters to bring their own relay solves this.

That just leaves the exposure for the sponsor and the stream viewer numbers. I think more streams get more people to watch a game, not less, so just request 3rd party streams to use your sponsor's assets when casting RGL games. Seems fair to me. I'm willing to provide STV relays to any caster that needs them.


To anyone unhappy with RGL or Sigafoo and thinking it's unfixable, please support those working on alternatives and actually try to help them, because it's going to take the amount of effort Sigafoo puts into RGL to deliver a better product and he's already done this before.
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plusProtonHow is sigafoo going to ruin NA 6s when he's barely making many decisions?

Anything with sigafoo's hand is cursed, change that barely to none , and find someone else to run traditional 6s. And a lot of people will breathe way easier. And put a restriction on him that he cant say or do anything to the traditional 6s league. For people like myself that have been playing for a while know just how much a weirdo/big ego sigafoo was back in the day. And to just repeat i don't feel comfortable with a engi running a 6s league doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe someone of Tri's status or a collective of people would be nice.

[quote=plusProton]How is sigafoo going to ruin NA 6s when he's [b][i]barely[/i][/b] making many decisions?[/quote]
Anything with sigafoo's hand is cursed, change that barely to [b][i]none[/i] [/b], and find someone else to run traditional 6s. And a lot of people will breathe way easier. And put a restriction on him that he cant say or do anything to the traditional 6s league. For people like myself that have been playing for a while know just how much a weirdo/big ego sigafoo was back in the day. And to just repeat i don't feel comfortable with a engi running a 6s league doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe someone of Tri's status or a collective of people would be nice.
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#186
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>anything with sigafoos hand is cursed

Why. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.

>don't feel comfortable about an engie running a 6s league

??? Why does what class he plays matter. (Also he doesn't play tf2 much anymore, just runs RGL)

>anything with sigafoos hand is cursed

Why. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.

>don't feel comfortable about an engie running a 6s league

??? Why does what class he plays matter. (Also he doesn't play tf2 much anymore, just runs RGL)
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#187
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ok saying anything related to sigafoo is cursed is pretty dumb. we can at least find something more substantial

ok saying anything related to sigafoo is cursed is pretty dumb. we can at least find something more substantial
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#188
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plusProton>anything with sigafoos hand is cursed

Why. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.

>don't feel comfortable about an engie running a 6s league

??? Why does what class he plays matter. (Also he doesn't play tf2 much anymore, just runs RGL)
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1st - personal opinion - because of how hes acted in the past, rgl is bound to fail personally not the hl part of it( he will eventually get tired of putting money into a dead game and getting nothing back)

2nd - The reason RGL is growing because NA players have really no wheres else to turn too, and when you offer up some of your own money as a prize that is more then esea, people wanna gravitate towards that league regardless of rules( but they play esea at the same time). Now that esea is gone this will cause some problems.

3rd - If the only class you ever played was engi (maybe some 6s pugs idk, sigafoo is a hater of 6s) and you try running a league where you should have top level knowledge of the format because you are making the rules and etc. Its hard to just trust someone like that. For example, getting rid of two perfectly good 6s maps granary and badlands, and put two random ass maps ive never heard of. Thats bad league managing, when you don't offer choices to the masses and just make every decision like you know whats going on. no no

4th - If sigafoo was smart he should realize he can't run a traditional 6s league for shit. Keep the whitelist and map rotation the same as EU, then there are no more issues with whitelists or maps when people go to lans .Sigafoo should keep his grubby little hands out of transitioning the future of traditional 6s and just give us prize money if he wants too or not idc personally. Give the reins of leading the traditional 6s league to someone that knows what do, he just sit back watch, and handle his highlander league/free spirited 6s league garbage.

5th - ESEA can't support tf2 anymore so if sigafoo wants to adopt traditional 6s he needs to not be the head admin of the league. If he cant accept someone else coming in and taking of the reins of traditional 6s league he should not be the one to take over.

-sorry for long message sucks to see tf2 take this type of turn, if this is the road tf2 takes i feel like some people will not want to play in this league, and tf2 needs all the people you can get.
[quote=plusProton]>anything with sigafoos hand is cursed

Why. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.

>don't feel comfortable about an engie running a 6s league

??? Why does what class he plays matter. (Also he doesn't play tf2 much anymore, just runs RGL)[/quote]

[spoiler]1st - personal opinion - because of how hes acted in the past, rgl is bound to fail personally not the hl part of it( he will eventually get tired of putting money into a dead game and getting nothing back)

2nd - The reason RGL is growing because NA players have really no wheres else to turn too, and when you offer up some of your own money as a prize that is more then esea, people wanna gravitate towards that league regardless of rules( but they play esea at the same time). Now that esea is gone this will cause some problems.

3rd - If the only class you ever played was engi (maybe some 6s pugs idk, sigafoo is a hater of 6s) and you try running a league where you should have top level knowledge of the format because you are making the rules and etc. Its hard to just trust someone like that. For example, getting rid of two perfectly good 6s maps granary and badlands, and put two random ass maps ive never heard of. Thats bad league managing, when you don't offer choices to the masses and just make every decision like you know whats going on. no no

4th - If sigafoo was smart he should realize he can't run a traditional 6s league for shit. Keep the whitelist and map rotation the same as EU, then there are no more issues with whitelists or maps when people go to lans .Sigafoo should keep his grubby little hands out of transitioning the future of traditional 6s and just give us prize money if he wants too or not idc personally. Give the reins of leading the traditional 6s league to someone that knows what do, he just sit back watch, and handle his highlander league/free spirited 6s league garbage.

5th - ESEA can't support tf2 anymore so if sigafoo wants to adopt traditional 6s he needs to not be the head admin of the league. If he cant accept someone else coming in and taking of the reins of traditional 6s league he should not be the one to take over.

-sorry for long message sucks to see tf2 take this type of turn, if this is the road tf2 takes i feel like some people will not want to play in this league, and tf2 needs all the people you can get.
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#189
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PlusProton hoping he gets picked to run the sixes league

PlusProton hoping he gets picked to run the sixes league
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#190
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i meant jetz is high im so at least now rgl will have someone who actually has experience with sixes
nvm lol idk who plusproton is
guess rgl is back down to no sixes experience
nvmnvm i guess jetz just has two accounts lol
rgl is back up to one actual sixes player as an admin
lets go

i meant jetz is high im so at least now rgl will have someone who actually has experience with sixes
nvm lol idk who plusproton is
guess rgl is back down to no sixes experience
nvmnvm i guess jetz just has two accounts lol
rgl is back up to one actual sixes player as an admin
lets go
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#191
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wait plusproton isnt jetz?

wait plusproton isnt jetz?
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#192
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calling jetz high im :thinking:

calling jetz high im :thinking:
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#193
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I get carried by hedge

I get carried by hedge
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#194
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Now the thread has devolved into making fun of jetz, sick.
Let RGL run the first season and participate, and see how it goes. Provide good feedback and Changes can be made.

Now the thread has devolved into making fun of jetz, sick.
Let RGL run the first season and participate, and see how it goes. Provide good feedback and Changes can be made.
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#195
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Nobody is making fun of jetz (except air but fuck air) I was just confused

Nobody is making fun of jetz (except air but fuck air) I was just confused
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#196
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same as dishsoap. lets go back to talking about how sigafoo is scheming to destroy sixes as we know it from his throne of rgl built of the corpses of innocent hl players. it's not like he could actually be offering something of value for the betterment of the community as a whole

same as dishsoap. lets go back to talking about how sigafoo is scheming to destroy sixes as we know it from his throne of rgl built of the corpses of innocent hl players. it's not like he could actually be offering something of value for the betterment of the community as a whole
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#197
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cant believe we got rid of mirage and dust2

cant believe we got rid of mirage and dust2
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I'm 99.9% sure he wrote his own liquidpedia article which is THE most egotistical thing I have ever seen

https://liquipedia.net/teamfortress/index.php?title=RGL&oldid=37433

theres no way someone other than sigafoo wrote this.

also I could probably get my brother in middle school to re-write this and it would still have better grammar and sentence structure

[quote=I'm 99.9% sure he wrote his own liquidpedia article which is THE most egotistical thing I have ever seen][/quote]

https://liquipedia.net/teamfortress/index.php?title=RGL&oldid=37433

theres no way someone other than sigafoo wrote this.

also I could probably get my brother in middle school to re-write this and it would still have better grammar and sentence structure
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#199
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plusProtonWhy. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.

RGL 7v and HL catered to UGC HL players at a time where nothing new had happened in months/years.
Sigafoo has been aggressive advertising his leagues both on Reddit and TFTV, especially targeting newbies asking where to get started playing competitive. There's nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong, but it's obviously been a big factor in its success, similarly TF2PL achieved a lot of signups because of the constant advert that was on top of the TF2 directory on Twitch. I don't believe any other organizer has ever advertised beyond announcements, ESEA doesn't even get that far.
I'm not saying the service is shit, it's just obvious that what he keeps bringing up (My Ideas are successful!) is completely disingenuous at best. Maybe he doesn't realize that, I'm sure I could fool myself just the same if I was in his situation.
I'm willing to be disproved but I never see this point being brought up and I feel it should be shared.

Also, to sigafoo, I'm still waiting on that data analysis and any sort of answer to my queries on reddit from a while back, it seems you kinda gave up when you managed to convince yourself that "Well, this isn't complete aids!", which is a shame.

[quote=plusProton]Why. What makes you think that. He's run RGL for like 2 years and it's been growing this whole time.[/quote]

RGL 7v and HL catered to UGC HL players at a time where nothing new had happened in months/years.
Sigafoo has been aggressive advertising his leagues both on Reddit and TFTV, especially targeting newbies asking where to get started playing competitive. There's nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong, but it's obviously been a big factor in its success, similarly TF2PL achieved a lot of signups because of the constant advert that was on top of the TF2 directory on Twitch. I don't believe any other organizer has ever advertised beyond announcements, ESEA doesn't even get that far.
I'm not saying the service is shit, it's just obvious that what he keeps bringing up (My Ideas are successful!) is completely disingenuous at best. Maybe he doesn't realize that, I'm sure I could fool myself just the same if I was in his situation.
I'm willing to be disproved but I never see this point being brought up and I feel it should be shared.

Also, to sigafoo, I'm still waiting on that data analysis and any sort of answer to my queries on reddit from a while back, it seems you kinda gave up when you managed to convince yourself that "Well, this isn't complete aids!", which is a shame.
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twiikuu

I know you said "there's nothing wrong with that" but it literally looks like you don't like how Sigafoo actually knows how to advertise a league. You know advertising is an important thing for a business, right? It's not like he's wrong with it either. Playing RGL for HL has been much better than UGC for me and I've enjoyed playing Prolander as well. It's literally not a bad website to use at all. I have had an easier time using it than ESEA, ETF2L, and UGC.

[quote=twiikuu][/quote]

I know you said "there's nothing wrong with that" but it literally looks like you don't like how Sigafoo actually knows how to advertise a league. You know advertising is an important thing for a business, right? It's not like he's wrong with it either. Playing RGL for HL has been much better than UGC for me and I've enjoyed playing Prolander as well. It's literally not a bad website to use at all. I have had an easier time using it than ESEA, ETF2L, and UGC.
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#201
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What the fuck am I supposed to respond to that? "Yes, I said that there's nothing wrong with that and I think there's nothing wrong with that"?

What the fuck am I supposed to respond to that? "Yes, I said that there's nothing wrong with that and I think there's nothing wrong with that"?
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It just sounds like you have a sigafoo hate boner? What did your original comment add besides "he advertised his league in an accurate way"? There was literally zero input from that post and you're trying your best to bring up something out of nothing, lmao.

I've played in multiple leagues, talk to new players/spectating players constantly, and have a shit ton of experience across like any game mode you can think of. The only thing I don't agree with in RGL is the spectating, map changes, and I wish we started playing matches on the european ruleset. Even then, RGL is 100% going to provide a better experience for anybody involved over ESEA. It's super lame seeing everyone trying to start shit over nothing.

It just sounds like you have a sigafoo hate boner? What did your original comment add besides "he advertised his league in an accurate way"? There was literally zero input from that post and you're trying your best to bring up something out of nothing, lmao.

I've played in multiple leagues, talk to new players/spectating players constantly, and have a shit ton of experience across like any game mode you can think of. The only thing I don't agree with in RGL is the spectating, map changes, and I wish we started playing matches on the european ruleset. Even then, RGL is 100% going to provide a better experience for anybody involved over ESEA. It's super lame seeing everyone trying to start shit over nothing.
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#203
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NursayWhat did your original comment add besides "he advertised his league in an accurate way"?

I'm quoting a post asking "Why do you think it's successful?" and bringing up the reason why I think it's successful.

[quote=Nursay]What did your original comment add besides "he advertised his league in an accurate way"?[/quote]

I'm quoting a post asking "Why do you think it's successful?" and bringing up the reason why I think it's successful.
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#204
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Ahh shit, here we go again.

Ahh shit, here we go again.
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#205
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What I took from nurseys comments is that she also doesn't like the stuff everyone else is mad about but is mad that people are mad at sigafoo for it

What I took from nurseys comments is that she also doesn't like the stuff everyone else is mad about but is mad that people are mad at sigafoo for it
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#206
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my twiikuu translation:

the existing formats are bad, but the marketing and service offering is very good. twiikuu attributes past success NOT to the popularity of prolander and unrestricted 6s as formats, but to sigafoo's ability to convert newbies to these formats.

my twiikuu translation:

the existing formats are bad, but the marketing and service offering is very good. twiikuu attributes past success NOT to the popularity of prolander and unrestricted 6s as formats, but to sigafoo's ability to convert newbies to these formats.
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#207
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Idk why nobody has brought this up but these map selection systems seem really poorly thought out. In invite it has one team ban a single map and then the other team chooses from the remaining. On the one hand this means Kalinka and cp_coldcut will literally never get played which is a relief but it will also make it so every single team gets to choose one of their two best maps in one of their matchups.

This just encourages people to play the maps they are already good at because they can always pick their #1 or #2 of their competitors and secure a win that way. The current esea system allows for one of the best of three maps in playoffs to be like that for each team and the other is chosen by each team progressively banning down until there's one left, which is a much more fair system. The reg season way of each team banning 3 maps that may overlap and cancel is much better because it at least puts games on an even playing field where both teams have a say versus in RGL just getting dicked by the system and having to play either propaganda or viaduct vs ascent for example (in fairness they are really good at a lot of maps but these two most teams are not good at and do not frequently practice).

The weekly map system would be a fine option too esp given how much people were asking for it but they removed badlands and granary for some new koth map and kalinka (which most invite teams thought was bad and severely flawed in the invite new map cup btw, my team's even preferred cp_auschwitz as phlps calls whatever that prison themed map is called) so it would just be two weeks of upsets on these new maps nobody has played which would definitely fuck up invite standings and be too much. Idk why he doesn't literally just copy esea rules and shit to get people to jump ships without question and then slowly change it to his own personal brand of aids over time like he's clearly already planning to do.

Also Imma have to agree with twiiku here even if his leagues are successful, the way he frames it is disingenuous at best (for example, just on this thread he edited the op to claim sign ups have been great and they have "up to eight invite teams" but I'm fairly sure only a couple teams have actually decided they will play and the rest of us are on the fence (I know my team and ascent are both hesitant to say the least but he has us both down because Ma3la and sandblast asserted they would make teams and want an invite slot in case, but that's by no means guaranteed)

Idk why nobody has brought this up but these map selection systems seem really poorly thought out. In invite it has one team ban a single map and then the other team chooses from the remaining. On the one hand this means Kalinka and cp_coldcut will literally never get played which is a relief but it will also make it so every single team gets to choose one of their two best maps in one of their matchups.

This just encourages people to play the maps they are already good at because they can always pick their #1 or #2 of their competitors and secure a win that way. The current esea system allows for one of the best of three maps in playoffs to be like that for each team and the other is chosen by each team progressively banning down until there's one left, which is a much more fair system. The reg season way of each team banning 3 maps that may overlap and cancel is much better because it at least puts games on an even playing field where both teams have a say versus in RGL just getting dicked by the system and having to play either propaganda or viaduct vs ascent for example (in fairness they are really good at a lot of maps but these two most teams are not good at and do not frequently practice).

The weekly map system would be a fine option too esp given how much people were asking for it but they removed badlands and granary for some new koth map and kalinka (which most invite teams thought was bad and severely flawed in the invite new map cup btw, my team's even preferred cp_auschwitz as phlps calls whatever that prison themed map is called) so it would just be two weeks of upsets on these new maps nobody has played which would definitely fuck up invite standings and be too much. Idk why he doesn't literally just copy esea rules and shit to get people to jump ships without question and then slowly change it to his own personal brand of aids over time like he's clearly already planning to do.

Also Imma have to agree with twiiku here even if his leagues are successful, the way he frames it is disingenuous at best (for example, just on this thread he edited the op to claim sign ups have been great and they have "up to eight invite teams" but I'm fairly sure only a couple teams have actually decided they will play and the rest of us are on the fence (I know my team and ascent are both hesitant to say the least but he has us both down because Ma3la and sandblast asserted they would make teams and want an invite slot in case, but that's by no means guaranteed)
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#208
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blog post about changes: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1250
league survey: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Players/My/Survey.aspx?s=5

blog post about changes: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1250
league survey: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Players/My/Survey.aspx?s=5
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#209
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beatriceblog post about changes: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1250
league survey: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Players/My/Survey.aspx?s=5

"IM / Main / Advance / Invite - We are moving it from 9:30pm to 10:30pm Eastern
Open - We are moving it from 9pm to 9:30pm Eastern

The difference for these two times is that ESEA players commonly play at 1030pm Eastern and Open players (which remember ARE NOT ESEA-Open but more like UGC-Steel players) are used to playing at 9:30pm in UGC so we will adjust to that time. "

This is a bit confusing...

1st - why so many divisions if you only have 55 teams makes no sense. CSGO can have that many divisions because of more teams like 300+(i havent looked in a while).

2nd - Soooo is open not open , but ugc steel???? Sigafoo do you know what open means? Anyone of any skill level can play in open techincally because its open. For example, "old guys club" csgo team with shroud, nothing,fifflaren,seangares played open ex pro players. This doesnt make any sense either. Please make only 3 divisions , if you wanna make a newbie league for steel players then make a seperate division. All these divisions are miss leading. And it splits up the player base even more.

[quote=beatrice]blog post about changes: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Public/Articles/Default.aspx?a=1250
league survey: http://sixes.rgl.gg/Players/My/Survey.aspx?s=5[/quote]

"IM / Main / Advance / Invite - We are moving it from 9:30pm to 10:30pm Eastern
Open - We are moving it from 9pm to 9:30pm Eastern

The difference for these two times is that ESEA players commonly play at 1030pm Eastern and Open players (which remember ARE NOT ESEA-Open but more like UGC-Steel players) are used to playing at 9:30pm in UGC so we will adjust to that time. "

This is a bit confusing...

1st - why so many divisions if you only have 55 teams makes no sense. CSGO can have that many divisions because of more teams like 300+(i havent looked in a while).

2nd - Soooo is open not open , but ugc steel???? Sigafoo do you know what open means? Anyone of any skill level can play in open techincally because its open. For example, "old guys club" csgo team with shroud, nothing,fifflaren,seangares played open ex pro players. This doesnt make any sense either. Please make only 3 divisions , if you wanna make a newbie league for steel players then make a seperate division. All these divisions are miss leading. And it splits up the player base even more.
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#210
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frenzy_1st - why so many divisions if you only have 55 teams makes no sense. CSGO can have that many divisions because of more teams like 300+(i havent looked in a while).

2nd - Soooo is open not open , but ugc steel???? Sigafoo do you know what open means? Anyone of any skill level can play in open techincally because its open. For example, old guys csgo team with shroud, nothing,fifflaren,seangares played open ex pro players. This doesnt make any sense either. Please make only 3 divisions , if you wanna make a newbie league for steel players then make a seperate division. All these divisions are miss leading. And it splits up the player base even more.

i feel like you're just complaining to complain at this point

1. the divisions aren't promised and are just a "if this many teams sign up, then this many divisions will happen." also he announced that he's making this league like 3 days ago, i think 55 is a pretty impressive number for especially since the esea season isn't even over

2nd. open has always been the worst division barre none. every time there's been a league with a division called open it was the bottom one where the worst teams would play, why would this one be any different?? and also i don't understand how he's dividing the player base if they're all still playing the same league, just playing closer matches instead of people who ate like 2 or 3 subdivisions above them

[quote=frenzy_]1st - why so many divisions if you only have 55 teams makes no sense. CSGO can have that many divisions because of more teams like 300+(i havent looked in a while).

2nd - Soooo is open not open , but ugc steel???? Sigafoo do you know what open means? Anyone of any skill level can play in open techincally because its open. For example, old guys csgo team with shroud, nothing,fifflaren,seangares played open ex pro players. This doesnt make any sense either. Please make only 3 divisions , if you wanna make a newbie league for steel players then make a seperate division. All these divisions are miss leading. And it splits up the player base even more.[/quote]
i feel like you're just complaining to complain at this point

1. the divisions aren't promised and are just a "if this many teams sign up, then this many divisions will happen." also he announced that he's making this league like 3 days ago, i think 55 is a pretty impressive number for especially since the esea season isn't even over

2nd. open has always been the worst division barre none. every time there's been a league with a division called open it was the bottom one where the worst teams would play, why would this one be any different?? and also i don't understand how he's dividing the player base if they're all still playing the same league, just playing closer matches instead of people who ate like 2 or 3 subdivisions above them
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