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so uhh..
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#31
20 Frags +
sakuNickzzzzzikaYou all salty about the bonk being unbanned even tho you never really tested it in a game for real loli have and its stupid shut the fuck up

like its not really broken its just annoying as fuck and gimmicky, the reason i started playing comp is to get away from all the gimmicky shit from pubs but as the whitelist keeps "evolving" it just feels more and more like a pub and it kinda kills my drive to keep playing, and im sure a lot of other people feel the same way

just stop

couldn't agree more, what has always made 6s so enjoyable to me is that it took away almost everything wrong/dumb the game had. Judging by the changes that are being made to the whitelist we're slowly going towards the matchmaking 6s

[quote=saku][quote=Nickzzzzzika]You all salty about the bonk being unbanned even tho you never really tested it in a game for real lol[/quote]
i have and its stupid shut the fuck up

like its not really broken its just annoying as fuck and gimmicky, the reason i started playing comp is to get away from all the gimmicky shit from pubs but as the whitelist keeps "evolving" it just feels more and more like a pub and it kinda kills my drive to keep playing, and im sure a lot of other people feel the same way

just stop[/quote]
couldn't agree more, what has always made 6s so enjoyable to me is that it took away almost everything wrong/dumb the game had. Judging by the changes that are being made to the whitelist we're slowly going towards the matchmaking 6s
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#32
46 Frags +

Boston Basher up drop down> Soda popper PUSSY jumps

Boston Basher up drop down> Soda popper PUSSY jumps
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#33
13 Frags +

Agreed with so many people before me, I play 6s to get away from the "randomness"and annoying weapons and it is going to take a part of the joy from me if more and more weapons are being unbanned for the sake of "VALVe major" or support from TF2 dev's. Anyways, happy holidays to all!

Agreed with so many people before me, I play 6s to get away from the "randomness"and annoying weapons and it is going to take a part of the joy from me if more and more weapons are being unbanned for the sake of "VALVe major" or support from TF2 dev's. Anyways, happy holidays to all!
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#34
38 Frags +

now that we have unbanned the bonk the million dollar major is right around the corner

now that we have unbanned the bonk the million dollar major is right around the corner
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#35
50 Frags +

title reminded me of this meme btw

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/333749109385199627/526450256649519116/whitelist.png

title reminded me of this meme btw
[img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/333749109385199627/526450256649519116/whitelist.png[/img]
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#36
36 Frags +

lets turn on tf_weapon_criticals too that way we'll get our epic major

just let us enjoy the game while its still sort of alive instead of doing this shit

lets turn on tf_weapon_criticals too that way we'll get our epic major

just let us enjoy the game while its still sort of alive instead of doing this shit
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#37
25 Frags +

Hello Mr ETF2L please don't get stupid ideas from this. Thank you :)

Hello Mr ETF2L please don't get stupid ideas from this. Thank you :)
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#38
11 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBZrRCCrXE

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBZrRCCrXE[/youtube]
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#39
Momentum Mod
9 Frags +

They do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat. I know phantom was concerned that everyone in the whitelist pugs were b4nny subs lol

They do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat. I know phantom was concerned that everyone in the whitelist pugs were b4nny subs lol
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#40
42 Frags +

"You Can't Have Opinions Because You're A Bad Player And A Circle Jerker" - froyo members

It's honestly tiring, it's not hard to see that people don't enjoy having unlocks unecessarily shoved down their throats, it's far from being an insane opinion. It's easy to shit on everyone who doesn't agree with you just because there's ingenious theorycrafters but it's not okay
There's still no guidelines for whitelist design other than "OPEN = GOOD" which is an arbitrary position that very little agree with

It honestly doesn't matter much at this point, people suffered through enough that going back is unlikely, you'll have your absolutely stupid open whitelist that literally nobody agrees with, stop whining about people being disappointed.
You're out of touch.

"You Can't Have Opinions Because You're A Bad Player And A Circle Jerker" - froyo members

It's honestly tiring, it's not hard to see that people don't enjoy having unlocks unecessarily shoved down their throats, it's far from being an insane opinion. It's easy to shit on everyone who doesn't agree with you just because there's ingenious theorycrafters but it's not okay
There's still no guidelines for whitelist design other than "OPEN = GOOD" which is an arbitrary position that very little agree with

It honestly doesn't matter much at this point, people suffered through enough that going back is unlikely, you'll have your absolutely stupid open whitelist that literally nobody agrees with, stop whining about people being disappointed.
You're out of touch.
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#41
-2 Frags +

I think we're overestimating how many people would run stupid unlocks even if they were unbanned.

HellbentThey do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat.
I think we're overestimating how many people would run stupid unlocks even if they were unbanned.

[quote=Hellbent]They do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat.[/quote]
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#42
Process/Gullywash Refresh
6 Frags +

http://whitelist.tf/competitive_6v6

Just saying, all those 3 unlocks banned here. Start using the global whitelist again!!!

http://whitelist.tf/competitive_6v6

Just saying, all those 3 unlocks banned here. Start using the global whitelist again!!!
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#43
32 Frags +

EVEN if you want to argue that the changes made to bonk over the years makes a difference (it doesn't, a not retarded scout will already be within his teams safety by the time bonk would wear off) the issue I'll always with have with a lot of unlocks is they just enable unfun and degenerative gameplay. Like there is nothing interesting or unique about the fact that a scout can get a free info check while the other team has to just look at him like morons or maybe attempt to juggle him into an inescapable position.

Yes I'm aware competitive and fun are two different things but I don't think anyone here thinks that adding weapons to enable lazy and degenerate playstyles is fun. Same goes for the Solemn Vow, its not adding anything to the meta beyond allowing the medic to make specific calls on health, which itself is taking away a dynamic of bluffing your health.

Also Soda Popper lol

tldr: if a weapon just leads to degenerative gameplay approaches I think its better it stays away

EVEN if you want to argue that the changes made to bonk over the years makes a difference (it doesn't, a not retarded scout will already be within his teams safety by the time bonk would wear off) the issue I'll always with have with a lot of unlocks is they just enable unfun and degenerative gameplay. Like there is nothing interesting or unique about the fact that a scout can get a free info check while the other team has to just look at him like morons or maybe attempt to juggle him into an inescapable position.

Yes I'm aware competitive and fun are two different things but I don't think anyone here thinks that adding weapons to enable lazy and degenerate playstyles is fun. Same goes for the Solemn Vow, its not adding anything to the meta beyond allowing the medic to make specific calls on health, which itself is taking away a dynamic of bluffing your health.

Also Soda Popper lol

tldr: if a weapon just leads to degenerative gameplay approaches I think its better it stays away
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#44
Twitch Prime
22 Frags +
zandaI think we're overestimating how many people would run stupid unlocks even if they were unbanned.

HellbentThey do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat.

but what would be gained from allowing pointless weapons? More pubbers playing 6s cause they can now use their fav meme weapon? (which already hasnt happened after the first global whitelist) Dev support from the TF2 team that is so dedicated they literally didnt do anything for christmas or fix year old glarring bugs? what progress is being stopped here exactly?
also i dont envy newer open players that have to deal with being memed on by new weapons instead of getting atleast quickly destroyed in games where they can learn from mistakes

*I used to be much more in favor of allowing atleast inconsequential weapons cause "whats the worst that could happen". Realistically this game isnt gonna be a big money esport and i hope we arent delunisional enough here to think that unbanning things willl magically change that. why make changes that wont make changes for the better just cause they "they might atleast not be bad" when they definitely could negatively impact the current (stagnating) playerbases enjoyment of the game

[quote=zanda]I think we're overestimating how many people would run stupid unlocks even if they were unbanned.

[quote=Hellbent]They do play test these things btw it's not just theorycrafting. I think the problem with that is that a lot of people against unlocks aren't even going to play those pugs because they don't want to play with those weapons off the bat.[/quote][/quote]
but what would be gained from allowing pointless weapons? More pubbers playing 6s cause they can now use their fav meme weapon? (which already hasnt happened after the first global whitelist) Dev support from the TF2 team that is so dedicated they literally didnt do anything for christmas or fix year old glarring bugs? what progress is being stopped here exactly?
also i dont envy newer open players that have to deal with being memed on by new weapons instead of getting atleast quickly destroyed in games where they can learn from mistakes

*I used to be much more in favor of allowing atleast inconsequential weapons cause "whats the worst that could happen". Realistically this game isnt gonna be a big money esport and i hope we arent delunisional enough here to think that unbanning things willl magically change that. why make changes that wont make changes for the better just cause they "they might atleast not be bad" when they definitely could negatively impact the current (stagnating) playerbases enjoyment of the game
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#45
2 Frags +
DuMmTmbut what would be gained from allowing pointless weapons? More pubbers playing 6s cause they can now use their fav meme weapon? (which already hasnt happened after the first global whitelist) Dev support from the TF2 team that is so dedicated they literally didnt do anything for christmas or fix year old glarring bugs? what progress is being stopped here exactly?
also i dont envy newer open players that have to deal with being memed on by new weapons instead of getting atleast quickly destroyed in games where they can learn from mistakes

yeah that's a fair point. I also dont know if after the tests people are gonna go through with the unbans. All the newer unlocks do remove some small mechanic of the game (cowmangler = ammo management, bonk = risking your life to get info, etc.) which I'm not a huge fan of. Seems like adding those weapons kinda dumbs down the game and makes the time people put in to those small things worthless. Idk if that's good or bad tho. I'm just spitting thoughts out at this point lmao

[quote=DuMmTm]but what would be gained from allowing pointless weapons? More pubbers playing 6s cause they can now use their fav meme weapon? (which already hasnt happened after the first global whitelist) Dev support from the TF2 team that is so dedicated they literally didnt do anything for christmas or fix year old glarring bugs? what progress is being stopped here exactly?
also i dont envy newer open players that have to deal with being memed on by new weapons instead of getting atleast quickly destroyed in games where they can learn from mistakes[/quote]

yeah that's a fair point. I also dont know if after the tests people are gonna go through with the unbans. All the newer unlocks do remove some small mechanic of the game (cowmangler = ammo management, bonk = risking your life to get info, etc.) which I'm not a huge fan of. Seems like adding those weapons kinda dumbs down the game and makes the time people put in to those small things worthless. Idk if that's good or bad tho. I'm just spitting thoughts out at this point lmao
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#46
11 Frags +
zanda

making things easier and just pretty much baby sitting in comp games is always a bad thing, casualizing something that's supposed to be competitive is just like shooting yourself in the foot

even though tf2 was not meant to be a competitive game to begin with (get this into ur head people), people experimented and just came up with a sick gamemode with no bullshit and annoying weapons. at this point people are just trying to nullify what these people did and just be like "fuck it man lets just unban shit bro" its just upsetting, the game was fine circa 2013/14 idk why do this shit

and its always the same shit every season too and the majority is always displeased, honestly man it just kills people's drive to play

BUT WHO AM I TO HAVE AN OPINION RIGHT IM JUST AN OPEN PLAYER

[quote=zanda][/quote]
making things easier and just pretty much baby sitting in comp games is always a bad thing, casualizing something that's supposed to be competitive is just like shooting yourself in the foot

even though tf2 was not meant to be a competitive game to begin with (get this into ur head people), people experimented and just came up with a sick gamemode with no bullshit and annoying weapons. at this point people are just trying to nullify what these people did and just be like "fuck it man lets just unban shit bro" its just upsetting, the game was fine circa 2013/14 idk why do this shit

and its always the same shit every season too and the majority is always displeased, honestly man it just kills people's drive to play

BUT WHO AM I TO HAVE AN OPINION RIGHT IM JUST AN OPEN PLAYER
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#47
Momentum Mod
30 Frags +

https://twitter.com/NurseyTF2/status/1076892620167753728?s=19

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455541200418504726/526469122859728916/Screenshot_20181223-103947__01.jpg

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https://twitter.com/NurseyTF2/status/1076892620167753728?s=19
[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/455541200418504726/526469122859728916/Screenshot_20181223-103947__01.jpg[/img]
x.x
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#48
6 Frags +

I'm not particularly concerned about the Solemn Vow it could be a good thing, but Bonk and Soda Popper are going to be cancer, the steak sandvich might be a bit lame but it won't change to much anyway.

I'm not particularly concerned about the Solemn Vow it [i]could[/i] be a good thing, but Bonk and Soda Popper are going to be cancer, the steak sandvich might be a bit lame but it won't change to much anyway.
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#49
60 Frags +

Hey guys do you have fun playing tf2? Lets make the game less fun for no real reason.
??????

Hey guys do you have fun playing tf2? Lets make the game less fun for no real reason.
??????
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#50
5 Frags +
kalieaswariBUT WHO AM I TO HAVE AN OPINION RIGHT IM JUST AN OPEN PLAYER

(same)

[quote=kalieaswari]BUT WHO AM I TO HAVE AN OPINION RIGHT IM JUST AN OPEN PLAYER[/quote]
(same)
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#51
7 Frags +

did my post really get deleted

thats just sad

did my post really get deleted

thats just sad
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#52
-10 Frags +
kalieaswaridid my post really get deleted

thats just sad

fat finger, sorry!

[quote=kalieaswari]did my post really get deleted

thats just sad[/quote]

fat finger, sorry!
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#53
21 Frags +

until i see invite players using these against other invite players with money on the line i will just assume theyre all bad and useless edge cases

until i see invite players using these against other invite players with money on the line i will just assume theyre all bad and useless edge cases
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#54
Twitch Prime
7 Frags +

So when are we all gonna start playing sigafoolander so all classes are viable for the average pubber to enjoy

So when are we all gonna start playing sigafoolander so all classes are viable for the average pubber to enjoy
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#55
73 Frags +
twiikuu"You Can't Have Opinions Because You're A Bad Player And A Circle Jerker" - froyo members

It's honestly tiring, it's not hard to see that people don't enjoy having unlocks unecessarily shoved down their throats, it's far from being an insane opinion. It's easy to shit on everyone who doesn't agree with you just because there's ingenious theorycrafters but it's not okay
There's still no guidelines for whitelist design other than "OPEN = GOOD" which is an arbitrary position that very little agree with

It honestly doesn't matter much at this point, people suffered through enough that going back is unlikely, you'll have your absolutely stupid open whitelist that literally nobody agrees with, stop whining about people being disappointed.
You're out of touch.

What? I mean there is a lot wrong with that quote, but why are you clumping people together? The only members I've recently seen post/speak publicly about any of this is Nursey, b4nny, and arekk. I've been one of the biggest advocates for banning bonk since it's release... It's just an inherently poorly designed item for competitive play. My stance hasn't changed, and as far as I know, I never indicated that it did.

I would have preferred to see play testing of it in pugs before being reentered into league play. I've been out of touch for a long time, so for all I know maybe that's happened. This is usually why I remain quiet on these topics.

[quote=twiikuu]"You Can't Have Opinions Because You're A Bad Player And A Circle Jerker" - froyo members

It's honestly tiring, it's not hard to see that people don't enjoy having unlocks unecessarily shoved down their throats, it's far from being an insane opinion. It's easy to shit on everyone who doesn't agree with you just because there's ingenious theorycrafters but it's not okay
There's still no guidelines for whitelist design other than "OPEN = GOOD" which is an arbitrary position that very little agree with

It honestly doesn't matter much at this point, people suffered through enough that going back is unlikely, you'll have your absolutely stupid open whitelist that literally nobody agrees with, stop whining about people being disappointed.
You're out of touch.[/quote]

What? I mean there is a lot wrong with that quote, but why are you clumping people together? The only members I've recently seen post/speak publicly about any of this is Nursey, b4nny, and arekk. I've been one of the biggest advocates for banning bonk since it's release... It's just an inherently poorly designed item for competitive play. My stance hasn't changed, and as far as I know, I never indicated that it did.

I would have preferred to see play testing of it in pugs before being reentered into league play. I've been out of touch for a long time, so for all I know maybe that's happened. This is usually why I remain quiet on these topics.
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#56
5 Frags +
blazeWhat? I mean there is a lot wrong with that quote, but why are you clumping people together? The only members I've recently seen post/speak publicly about any of this is Nursey, b4nny, and arekk.

Yup, my bad, I didn't intend to target you/habib/whoever else with this.

[quote=blaze]What? I mean there is a lot wrong with that quote, but why are you clumping people together? The only members I've recently seen post/speak publicly about any of this is Nursey, b4nny, and arekk.[/quote]

Yup, my bad, I didn't intend to target you/habib/whoever else with this.
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#57
28 Frags +

Oh look it's this thread again again again again again again again

Gee I wonder how long it'll take for no improvement to occur, god I'm glad to be rid of this loser ass game and its delusional administration sry that was toxic merry Christmas nerds

Oh look it's this thread again again again again again again again

Gee I wonder how long it'll take for no improvement to occur, god I'm glad to be rid of this loser ass game and its delusional administration sry that was toxic merry Christmas nerds
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#58
25 Frags +

i still don't get who the target audience of open whitelists is supposed to be. when has any pubber ever said "gee i don't want to play 6s because i can't use the solemn vow!"?

the "closing the gap" argument doesn't really work either because class limits and format (winlimit/difference 5) still add a huge divide (bigger than weapon bans that's for sure).

on top of all of this there's no evidence, as far as i know, that the changes that have been made over the past couple of years have done anything to increase league signups or even general interest in 6s, yet we keep pushing this idea of "progress" as if it means anything at all.

i still don't get who the target audience of open whitelists is supposed to be. when has any pubber ever said "gee i don't want to play 6s because i can't use the solemn vow!"?

the "closing the gap" argument doesn't really work either because class limits and format (winlimit/difference 5) still add a huge divide (bigger than weapon bans that's for sure).

on top of all of this there's no evidence, as far as i know, that the changes that have been made over the past couple of years have done anything to increase league signups or even general interest in 6s, yet we keep pushing this idea of "progress" as if it means anything at all.
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#59
22 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/HYtlXoe.png

[img]https://i.imgur.com/HYtlXoe.png[/img]
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#60
-2 Frags +

I think we should just chill a bit pls..

How do americans feel about cowmangler now that the season is over?

I think we should just chill a bit pls..

How do americans feel about cowmangler now that the season is over?
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