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Ban Pred and Degu v2
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#151
3 Frags +
rongoldecision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.

Agreed, hopefully, more people who spout bigoted drivel will receive bans as well

[quote=rongol]decision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.[/quote]

Agreed, hopefully, more people who spout bigoted drivel will receive bans as well
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#152
match.tf
20 Frags +
rongolStinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/
This is actually a joke. Pred and Degu represent like 60% of the people who play this game, mindless idiots who just exude malice constanrly. But, just because uberchain is more well known than your average pugger eating the brunt of these slurs, they get a ban? A decision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.

just to reiterate, this isn't some fucked up backhanded shot at uberchain. i'm just upset at the way this situation was handled, because we both know admins care too little to actually ban every no name dipshit who dribbles out a slur, and despite what everyone is saying, change WON'T happen.

Changes will happen, and they are happening right now. There is no difference between prem and pub idiots, besides the consequences, as lower level and less-known individuals do not care about their reputation that much.
Yes, this is a precedent, which means that actions will be taken for the majority of issues like this in future. This is a beginning of the era when we start doing something and people realize that they can't just say whatever they want.

[quote=rongol][quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]
This is actually a joke. Pred and Degu represent like 60% of the people who play this game, mindless idiots who just exude malice constanrly. But, just because uberchain is more well known than your average pugger eating the brunt of these slurs, they get a ban? A decision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.

just to reiterate, this isn't some fucked up backhanded shot at uberchain. i'm just upset at the way this situation was handled, because we both know admins care too little to actually ban every no name dipshit who dribbles out a slur, and despite what everyone is saying, change WON'T happen.[/quote]

Changes will happen, and they are happening right now. There is no difference between prem and pub idiots, besides the consequences, as lower level and less-known individuals do not care about their reputation that much.
Yes, this is a precedent, which means that actions will be taken for the majority of issues like this in future. This is a beginning of the era when we start doing something and people realize that they can't just say whatever they want.
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#153
TF2Pickup
15 Frags +
rongolStinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/
This is actually a joke. Pred and Degu represent like 60% of the people who play this game, mindless idiots who just exude malice constanrly. But, just because uberchain is more well known than your average pugger eating the brunt of these slurs, they get a ban? A decision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.

just to reiterate, this isn't some fucked up backhanded shot at uberchain. i'm just upset at the way this situation was handled, because we both know admins care too little to actually ban every no name dipshit who dribbles out a slur, and despite what everyone is saying, change WON'T happen.

As it was said before, prem players are basically the face of etf2l and should be treated as such.
Definitely not saying this kind of behaviour would be fine if the person isn't a prem player or well known (it's unacceptable anywhere really), but they have to start somewhere.
And why shouldn't they start at the highest level of play in the league, which is also eligible to receive prize money from sponsors (like stn-trading and scrap.tf).

The higher the level, the bigger the consequences.

[quote=rongol][quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]
This is actually a joke. Pred and Degu represent like 60% of the people who play this game, mindless idiots who just exude malice constanrly. But, just because uberchain is more well known than your average pugger eating the brunt of these slurs, they get a ban? A decision like this sets a big fucking precedent, and if other players don't get similar punishments for similar actions, it'll be clear that major players in the community are just flexing their power to protect their friends.

just to reiterate, this isn't some fucked up backhanded shot at uberchain. i'm just upset at the way this situation was handled, because we both know admins care too little to actually ban every no name dipshit who dribbles out a slur, and despite what everyone is saying, change WON'T happen.[/quote]

As it was said before, prem players are basically the face of etf2l and should be treated as such.
Definitely not saying this kind of behaviour would be fine if the person isn't a prem player or well known (it's unacceptable anywhere really), but they have to start somewhere.
And why shouldn't they start at the highest level of play in the league, which is also eligible to receive prize money from sponsors (like stn-trading and scrap.tf).

The higher the level, the bigger the consequences.
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#154
20 Frags +
ninjax

no offense but "depressed emo" might have to do with the names you use
i never experienced that kind of toxicity in spain btw, come play mixes sometime :D

[quote=ninjax][/quote]
no offense but "depressed emo" might have to do with [url=https://i.imgur.com/r4ZfLCH.png]the names you use[/url]
i never experienced that kind of toxicity in spain btw, come play mixes sometime :D
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#155
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GazICLi feel like there should be a distinction between things said in call/game vs being said on twitter

When you're in call you have way less time to think about what you say, so you could impulsively say something really bad.
In game I guess is on the level as twitter as you have time to think about what you type, but you also have to consider tilt factor.
Now, I feel like players SHOULD be held accountable for what they say on twitter. They have a lot of time to read a detailed post and think of something to say, prior to hitting the tweet button.

I'm not saying calling someone a hard r or a dyke is ok, I'm just stating that getting logs is a lot less accurate than a tweet.

It doesn't matter. You don't impulsively call somebody a gook or nig*** if you don't mean to use it as an insult.

Cases like that deserve a distinction, because we are part of a sometimes toxic environment in online gaming in general, and reading or hearing slurs like that all the time desensitizes you to some extent. Sometimes in the heat of a game, under stress, you might spurt out something you immediately regret. Probably like Arekk did. He realized, apologized and both parties are able to move on, hopefully with Arekk reflecting on what he said and growing from it. This single instance doesn't immediately warrant a ban.

Purposely posting a racist tweet is something entirely different.

And lets be honest, a few games suspension is merely a slap on the wrist. Maybe something to at least make them behave like a decent human in public. It surely won't change their views on homosexuals or transgender people, but that' also not the job of any league.

[quote=Gaz][quote=ICL]i feel like there should be a distinction between things said in call/game vs being said on twitter

When you're in call you have way less time to think about what you say, so you could impulsively say something really bad.
In game I guess is on the level as twitter as you have time to think about what you type, but you also have to consider tilt factor.
Now, I feel like players SHOULD be held accountable for what they say on twitter. They have a lot of time to read a detailed post and think of something to say, prior to hitting the tweet button.

I'm not saying calling someone a hard r or a dyke is ok, I'm just stating that getting logs is a lot less accurate than a tweet.[/quote]

It doesn't matter. You don't impulsively call somebody a gook or nig*** if you don't mean to use it as an insult.[/quote]

Cases like that deserve a distinction, because we are part of a sometimes toxic environment in online gaming in general, and reading or hearing slurs like that all the time desensitizes you to some extent. Sometimes in the heat of a game, under stress, you might spurt out something you immediately regret. Probably like Arekk did. He realized, apologized and both parties are able to move on, hopefully with Arekk reflecting on what he said and growing from it. This single instance doesn't immediately warrant a ban.

Purposely posting a racist tweet is something entirely different.

And lets be honest, a few games suspension is merely a slap on the wrist. Maybe something to at least make them behave like a decent human in public. It surely won't change their views on homosexuals or transgender people, but that' also not the job of any league.
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#156
-19 Frags +

degu getting banned is actually ridiculous. #unbandegu

degu getting banned is actually ridiculous. #unbandegu
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#157
8 Frags +
Jw321123https://twitter.com/fuzzymellows/status/1026931792689938434

reposting so it wouldnt get lost between two walls of text, absolutely terrifying

[quote=Jw321123]https://twitter.com/fuzzymellows/status/1026931792689938434 [/quote]

reposting so it wouldnt get lost between two walls of text, absolutely terrifying
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#158
-10 Frags +

Hello. This thread has derailed a lot but still maintains its key point: Have TF2 not be a toxic cesspool and develop effective and long bans for people who take the toxicity to the next level; straight up stalking or harrassing someone/a group of people. I wish we could get more names out in the community, to further ban people if they're continuing to be awful people. But if people aren't yet comfortable with revealing them, thats fine. But please dont stay silent if you dont have too, its one of the most common things your told, "tell an adult". Obviously change that up for our situation here, but yea it helps a lot more than you think. People are here to support you, not belittle you.

I also believe degu should be suspended, not perm banned. But thats just what I think. Pred should stay Perma banned.

I don't want to act like a saint. I know a lot of people dislike me because I was also really toxic. but as of last month or so, I've really been trying to better my act and not be so toxic. If you're reading this and you hate me, I personally apologize to you if I've insulted you in the past, and I hope to put everything in the past and drop any grudges against me, I don't think its anyone's goal in TF2 to be hated, and its certainly not mine. I've realized my mistakes and I'm really sorry.

Sorry if I missed something important or I just repeated information, I JUST learned about all of this tonight, and just crammed all the forum posts into a session of reading.

Hello. This thread has derailed a lot but still maintains its key point: Have TF2 not be a toxic cesspool and develop effective and long bans for people who take the toxicity to the next level; straight up stalking or harrassing someone/a group of people. I wish we could get more names out in the community, to further ban people if they're continuing to be awful people. But if people aren't yet comfortable with revealing them, thats fine. But please dont stay silent if you dont have too, its one of the most common things your told, "tell an adult". Obviously change that up for our situation here, but yea it helps a lot more than you think. People are here to support you, not belittle you.

I also believe degu should be suspended, not perm banned. But thats just what I think. Pred should stay Perma banned.

I don't want to act like a saint. I know a lot of people dislike me because I was also really toxic. but as of last month or so, I've really been trying to better my act and not be so toxic. If you're reading this and you hate me, I personally apologize to you if I've insulted you in the past, and I hope to put everything in the past and drop any grudges against me, I don't think its anyone's goal in TF2 to be hated, and its certainly not mine. I've realized my mistakes and I'm really sorry.

Sorry if I missed something important or I just repeated information, I JUST learned about all of this tonight, and just crammed all the forum posts into a session of reading.
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#159
32 Frags +
ScratchhI also believe degu should be suspended, not perm banned. But thats just what I think. Pred should stay Perma banned.

I don't want to act like a saint. I know a lot of people dislike me because I was also really toxic. but as of last month or so, I've really been trying to better my act and not be so toxic.

I dont know you at all but this really makes me think.
You want someone to be permabanned for something they did just now without a chance to recover themselves, while you say yourself that you have been toxic in the past and have just tried to be better for a month?

[quote=Scratchh]
I also believe degu should be suspended, not perm banned. But thats just what I think. Pred should stay Perma banned.

I don't want to act like a saint. I know a lot of people dislike me because I was also really toxic. but as of last month or so, I've really been trying to better my act and not be so toxic. [/quote]
I dont know you at all but this really makes me think.
You want someone to be [i]permabanned[/i] for something they did just now without a chance to recover themselves, while you say yourself that you have been toxic in the past and have just tried to be better for a month?
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#160
27 Frags +

Since I've had quite a few people asking me for my opinion on the situation in private messages, as well as a number of adds in steam, I suppose I should make myself clear in order to prevent misinterpritation or distortion of my stance.
Obviously I don't agree with and don't endorse pred's behaviour and his words can't be justified or excused, that's essentially asking to get banned.
Degu on the other hand is not as obvious a case. It's understandable orgs and crews and whatnot would want to distance themselves from him in light of these events, which they did. I do not agree with the other measures taken however, namely his ban, as degu didn't directly harrass anyone and has contributed to the scene in the past, and prize money cut (it's been already stated but pred was not our main player, he was moved to sub shortly prior to the season), though I see where etf2l is coming from here.

Since I've had quite a few people asking me for my opinion on the situation in private messages, as well as a number of adds in steam, I suppose I should make myself clear in order to prevent misinterpritation or distortion of my stance.
Obviously I don't agree with and don't endorse pred's behaviour and his words can't be justified or excused, that's essentially asking to get banned.
Degu on the other hand is not as obvious a case. It's understandable orgs and crews and whatnot would want to distance themselves from him in light of these events, which they did. I do not agree with the other measures taken however, namely his ban, as degu didn't directly harrass anyone and has contributed to the scene in the past, and prize money cut (it's been already stated but pred was not our main player, he was moved to sub shortly prior to the season), though I see where etf2l is coming from here.
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#161
18 Frags +

I understand this was important as it was harssment within the TF2 community and as it's volunteer ran, the community can decide when to punish/exile it's own members (similar to what Turbo said about not scrimming teams).

The question is where does the monitoring now start/stop?
Does this cover my facebook (of which I am friends with 2 ETF2L head admins)?
Could I get banned for posting something that isn't related to TF2 but may be considered harassment?
Who decides what constitutes future harassment/offense? Context matters, look back at Mould's post regarding homophobic slurs and extrasolar about the Count Dankula case.

I understand this was important as it was harssment within the TF2 community and as it's volunteer ran, the community can decide when to punish/exile it's own members (similar to what Turbo said about not scrimming teams).

The question is where does the monitoring now start/stop?
Does this cover my facebook (of which I am friends with 2 ETF2L head admins)?
Could I get banned for posting something that isn't related to TF2 but may be considered harassment?
Who decides what constitutes future harassment/offense? Context matters, look back at Mould's post regarding homophobic slurs and extrasolar about the Count Dankula case.
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#162
3 Frags +

lmao, imagine somebody would save these threads and they pop up in 10years right before some person has a job interview haha.. imagine people would develop conciousness because they're afraid of long time consequences xD imagine the endless possibilities haha

lmao, imagine somebody would save these threads and they pop up in 10years right before some person has a job interview haha.. imagine people would develop conciousness because they're afraid of long time consequences xD imagine the endless possibilities haha
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#163
21 Frags +

Back in my shoutcasting days, the amount of harassment I got was crazy. Looking back, I don't know how I managed to stay involved for as long as I did. Many other casters were also crazily harassed.

I'm glad to see that it's being brought more to light. Hopefully it'll help reduce the amount of harassment

Back in my shoutcasting days, the amount of harassment I got was crazy. Looking back, I don't know how I managed to stay involved for as long as I did. Many other casters were also crazily harassed.

I'm glad to see that it's being brought more to light. Hopefully it'll help reduce the amount of harassment
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#164
92 Frags +

My thoughts on the recent events and a statement on Credu's loadout:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqkb1j

My thoughts on the recent events and a statement on Credu's loadout:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqkb1j
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#165
-21 Frags +
cryosiseevvso anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought
so anyway how bout u dont use slurs and be a normal person if u dont like to be banned from leagues idk just a thought

sry im not a crybaby just saying no offensive

[quote=cryosis][quote=eevv]so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought[/quote]

so anyway how bout u dont use slurs and be a normal person if u dont like to be banned from leagues idk just a thought[/quote]

sry im not a crybaby just saying no offensive
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#166
13 Frags +

I honestly had no idea kaibug was used as an insult and thought it was a joke like dmoule Smorc

I honestly had no idea kaibug was used as an insult and thought it was a joke like dmoule Smorc
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#167
-41 Frags +

degu getting banned is actually ridiculous. #unbandegu

degu getting banned is actually ridiculous. #unbandegu
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#168
27 Frags +
kaidusMy thoughts on the recent events and a statement on Credu's loadout:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqkb1j

Man, that really sucks to hear the harassment got worse the past few years. It feels like the kinda thing were behavior that is bizarre becomes so... normal, so much so you don't even notice until an event like this were everyone gets shaken up

[quote=kaidus]My thoughts on the recent events and a statement on Credu's loadout:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqkb1j[/quote]

Man, that really sucks to hear the harassment got worse the past few years. It feels like the kinda thing were behavior that is bizarre becomes so... normal, so much so you don't even notice until an event like this were everyone gets shaken up
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#169
-17 Frags +

Okey instead of posting shits like #unbandegu or something like that i wanna say what i really think about it. Also i apologize my english is not really perfect.

No one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.
Internet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is. Also i agree that pred said something wrong( he should have apologize for it) and didnt apologize but i disagree with banning degu. He just posted picture that basically means "if you dont like what other people say about you on internet you shouldnt post it on internet" Its twitter - anonymous people can write whatever they want and you cant do anything about it. Im not defending pred or degu but i think its just a big mistake by admins banning them because now it looks like you did it only cuz its big Uberchain. This is not going to help the community at all. Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. There is even rule for it - Be respectful to your fellow players and users.

If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3

Okey instead of posting shits like #unbandegu or something like that i wanna say what i really think about it. Also i apologize my english is not really perfect.

No one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.
Internet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is. Also i agree that pred said something wrong( he should have apologize for it) and didnt apologize but i disagree with banning degu. He just posted picture that basically means "if you dont like what other people say about you on internet you shouldnt post it on internet" Its twitter - anonymous people can write whatever they want and you cant do anything about it. Im not defending pred or degu but i think its just a big mistake by admins banning them because now it looks like you did it only cuz its big Uberchain. This is not going to help the community at all. Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. There is even rule for it - Be respectful to your fellow players and users.

If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3
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#170
6 Frags +

Why not start with pred and degu and have this as a precedent for future cases. What's really hard to understand about admins not wanting this shit in their community and taking a (possible overdue) stance on it?

Why not start with pred and degu and have this as a precedent for future cases. What's really hard to understand about admins not wanting this shit in their community and taking a (possible overdue) stance on it?
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#171
11 Frags +
LukasCZNo one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.

Because at some point you have to start caring or you will drive everyone non-toxic away.

LukasCZInternet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is.

Yeah, people can post harassing stuff, and just like they can do that, they can expect the consequences/backlash of doing so too. Your actions aren't free from consequences and I'm tired of how people think saying racist, sexist etc. stuff is normal in any way.

[quote=LukasCZ]No one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.[/quote]
Because at some point you have to start caring or you will drive everyone non-toxic away.

[quote=LukasCZ]Internet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is.[/quote]
Yeah, people can post harassing stuff, and just like they can do that, they can expect the consequences/backlash of doing so too. Your actions aren't free from consequences and I'm tired of how people think saying racist, sexist etc. stuff is normal in any way.
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#172
-18 Frags +
zxpWhy not start with pred and degu and have this as a precedent for future cases. What's really hard to understand about admins not wanting this shit in their community and taking a (possible overdue) stance on it?

Sorry but why do you want to start right now?
Why did they not start ages ago?
I dont think something like that happened for the first time.

Everyone cares only because it happened to uberchain, everyone is so nice because she is a girl, no one would defend random guy from prem.
I dont want to say something bad about uberchain i have nothing against her its just what i really think about it.

Image this happening to me - fucking 17yo invite no name player calling for help on twitter
No one would actually care lol

Can we just end this thread unban both,let pred apologize and move on?
Everyone is just going to shittalk others in community cuz one guy is on uberchains side and others on theirs,

You should just learn internet is not the right place to write that kind of stuff, if you have problems like this you should fix them irl, not online trust me.

[quote=zxp]Why not start with pred and degu and have this as a precedent for future cases. What's really hard to understand about admins not wanting this shit in their community and taking a (possible overdue) stance on it?[/quote]

Sorry but why do you want to start right now?
Why did they not start ages ago?
I dont think something like that happened for the first time.

Everyone cares only because it happened to uberchain, everyone is so nice because she is a girl, no one would defend random guy from prem.
I dont want to say something bad about uberchain i have nothing against her its just what i really think about it.


Image this happening to me - fucking 17yo invite no name player calling for help on twitter
No one would actually care lol

Can we just end this thread unban both,let pred apologize and move on?
Everyone is just going to shittalk others in community cuz one guy is on uberchains side and others on theirs,

You should just learn internet is not the right place to write that kind of stuff, if you have problems like this you should fix them irl, not online trust me.
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#173
28 Frags +
LukasCZIf you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3

You're not the first person to miss the point and you sadly won't be the last. Stop trivializing the conversation because "w-well you're only having it because the person is known now!!". Yes, this happened to other people too. They did not have the platform to publicize it, or felt pressured not to. Now that we have a spotlight on the issue, we need to immediately use it to decide as a community how we deal with it. Uberchain being a community figure does not make the problem any less real, and does not make the concern any less sincere.

LukasCZCan we just end this thread unban both,let pred apologize and move on?
Everyone is just going to shittalk others in community cuz one guy is on uberchains side and others on theirs,

Again, you are trivializing the point. Now that everyone knows of the issue we can fix it moving forward. It would have been ideal to begin much earlier but there was never a major discussion on the topic. Now there is one. Let's use this opportunity. Why would you just ignore it because "it's too late"? It's never too late.

[quote=LukasCZ]If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3[/quote]

You're not the first person to miss the point and you sadly won't be the last. Stop trivializing the conversation because "w-well you're only having it because the person is known now!!". Yes, this happened to other people too. They did not have the platform to publicize it, or felt pressured not to. Now that we have a spotlight on the issue, we need to immediately use it to decide as a community how we deal with it. Uberchain being a community figure does not make the problem any less real, and does not make the concern any less sincere.

[quote=LukasCZ]
Can we just end this thread unban both,let pred apologize and move on?
Everyone is just going to shittalk others in community cuz one guy is on uberchains side and others on theirs,
[/quote]

Again, you are trivializing the point. Now that everyone knows of the issue we can fix it moving forward. It would have been ideal to begin much earlier but there was never a major discussion on the topic. Now there is one. Let's use this opportunity. Why would you just ignore it because "it's too late"? It's never too late.
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#174
-25 Frags +
FUNKeLukasCZIf you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3
You're not the first person to miss the point and you sadly won't be the last. Stop trivializing the conversation because "w-well you're only having it because the person is known now!!". Yes, this happened to other people too. They did not have the platform to publicize it, or felt pressured not to. Now that we have a spotlight on the issue, we need to immediately use it to decide as a community as we deal with it. Uberchain being a community figure does not make the problem any less real, and does not make the concern any less sincere.

Ok so if someone call me nig*a,bitch,slut,cock etc. on pugchamp can i report it aswell and be sure admins will ban him on etf2l?

[quote=FUNKe][quote=LukasCZ]If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3[/quote]

You're not the first person to miss the point and you sadly won't be the last. Stop trivializing the conversation because "w-well you're only having it because the person is known now!!". Yes, this happened to other people too. They did not have the platform to publicize it, or felt pressured not to. Now that we have a spotlight on the issue, we need to immediately use it to decide as a community as we deal with it. Uberchain being a community figure does not make the problem any less real, and does not make the concern any less sincere.[/quote]

Ok so if someone call me nig*a,bitch,slut,cock etc. on pugchamp can i report it aswell and be sure admins will ban him on etf2l?
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#175
33 Frags +
LukasCZEveryone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community.

it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable. also you can stop upfragging your own posts
and yes champgg has stated that its going to punish harrasment on all of their platforms with a minimum of a 1 week ban

[quote=LukasCZ]Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. [/quote]

it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable. also you can stop upfragging your own posts
and yes champgg has stated that its going to punish harrasment on all of their platforms with a minimum of a 1 week ban
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#176
17 Frags +
LukasCZOkey instead of posting shits like #unbandegu or something like that i wanna say what i really think about it. Also i apologize my english is not really perfect.

No one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.
Internet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is. Also i agree that pred said something wrong( he should have apologize for it) and didnt apologize but i disagree with banning degu. He just posted picture that basically means "if you dont like what other people say about you on internet you shouldnt post it on internet" Its twitter - anonymous people can write whatever they want and you cant do anything about it. Im not defending pred or degu but i think its just a big mistake by admins banning them because now it looks like you did it only cuz its big Uberchain. This is not going to help the community at all. Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. There is even rule for it - Be respectful to your fellow players and users.

If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3

You are right no one did care before all of this. Given how certain groups of people at the top interact between each other everyone of them (myself included) have said things that should have been punished. Etf2l have never really taken a strong stance on it apart from warnings for flaming etc.
Now however, degu and pred have done something that has caused a massive shitstorm. Something that has not really been done when it comes to flaming etc in tf2 apart from the usual b4nny chatting out of his arse on twitter.
The admins have now seen what happens when this sort of stuff goes unchecked, just like every other video game thats played at an pro level, and are now taking action against it.
It just takes time for admins to discover these problems and take an actual stance on it. CS:GO now takes a big stance on fining pro players for being disrespectful but if you have knew anything about the CS:S scene you would know that all this flaming and that was on such a larger and more widespread scale and nothing was really done about it.

Pretty simple really.

[quote=LukasCZ]Okey instead of posting shits like #unbandegu or something like that i wanna say what i really think about it. Also i apologize my english is not really perfect.

No one cared about these racist things in our officials so why would you care now? Only because its uberchain? That doesnt make any sense at all.
Internet isnt the right place to post these private things from your life. I heard uberchain is nice girl and i agree sexual harassment is bad but you cant expect every single person on internet to agree with your situation. Some people make fun of it,some people care about it and some people disslike it. Its just how it is. Also i agree that pred said something wrong( he should have apologize for it) and didnt apologize but i disagree with banning degu. He just posted picture that basically means "if you dont like what other people say about you on internet you shouldnt post it on internet" Its twitter - anonymous people can write whatever they want and you cant do anything about it. Im not defending pred or degu but i think its just a big mistake by admins banning them because now it looks like you did it only cuz its big Uberchain. This is not going to help the community at all. Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. There is even rule for it - Be respectful to your fellow players and users.

If you want to ban people, ban everyone who said something wrong, not only because it happened to someone who is something else in this community. Peace and love <3[/quote]
You are right no one did care before all of this. Given how certain groups of people at the top interact between each other everyone of them (myself included) have said things that should have been punished. Etf2l have never really taken a strong stance on it apart from warnings for flaming etc.
Now however, degu and pred have done something that has caused a massive shitstorm. Something that has not really been done when it comes to flaming etc in tf2 apart from the usual b4nny chatting out of his arse on twitter.
The admins have now seen what happens when this sort of stuff goes unchecked, just like every other video game thats played at an pro level, and are now taking action against it.
It just takes time for admins to discover these problems and take an actual stance on it. CS:GO now takes a big stance on fining pro players for being disrespectful but if you have knew anything about the CS:S scene you would know that all this flaming and that was on such a larger and more widespread scale and nothing was really done about it.

Pretty simple really.
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#177
-24 Frags +
adyskyLukasCZEveryone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community.
it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable. also you can stop upfragging your own posts
and yes champgg has stated that its going to punish harrasment on all of their platforms with a minimum of a 1 week ban

The thing is
No one is going to report it because its normal, this is internet ppl can say whatever they want. Zero admins banned people on pugchamp for bein racist or something lol

Also do they want to ban them on etf2l or just on pugchamp

[quote=adysky][quote=LukasCZ]Everyone is calling each other ni**a,bitch,slut,cock,faggot,idiot,retard etc. on pugchamp and no one cares because its normal in this community. [/quote]

it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable. also you can stop upfragging your own posts
and yes champgg has stated that its going to punish harrasment on all of their platforms with a minimum of a 1 week ban[/quote]

The thing is
No one is going to report it because its normal, this is internet ppl can say whatever they want. Zero admins banned people on pugchamp for bein racist or something lol

Also do they want to ban them on etf2l or just on pugchamp
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#178
-13 Frags +
adysky also you can stop upfragging your own posts

i feel discrimination towards self-uprfaggers

[quote=adysky] also you can stop upfragging your own posts[/quote]

i feel discrimination towards self-uprfaggers
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#179
24 Frags +
LukasCZ

alright, again
it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable to call people these things, from now on people will be banned from pugchamp and its up to etf2l if they want to punish players with a case by case approach

[quote=LukasCZ][/quote]
alright, again
it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable to call people these things, from now on people will be banned from pugchamp and its up to etf2l if they want to punish players with a case by case approach
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#180
-21 Frags +
adyskyLukasCZalright, again
it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable to call people these things, from now on people will be banned from pugchamp and its up to etf2l if they want to punish players with a case by case approach

I dont think admins will ban someone being mean on pugchamp. Just big expectations
If you ban someone on pughcamp its not going to change anything - its same with offclassing (people play sniper for 20 mins get banned and after 2 days they do the same shit)

[quote=adysky][quote=LukasCZ][/quote]
alright, again
it shouldnt be normal let alone acceptable to call people these things, from now on people will be banned from pugchamp and its up to etf2l if they want to punish players with a case by case approach[/quote]

I dont think admins will ban someone being mean on pugchamp. Just big expectations
If you ban someone on pughcamp its not going to change anything - its same with offclassing (people play sniper for 20 mins get banned and after 2 days they do the same shit)
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