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What do you HATE about TF2?
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#151
5 Frags +

the ambassador nerf
the fact that the maps valve chooses to add to the game are clearly made to look pretty rather than play well
random crits
random bullet spread
froyo's absolute dominance over the NA (and possibly EU) scene
casual in itself
skial servers
ddos protection on servers that make playing on them feel like garbage
pyro as a whole
the fact that this game is poorly optimized
the size of the tf2 coding team
medic scout speed buff
mge demomen who run to the corner of the map and sit there every single life
the fact that barely any good players stream consistently
the rampant amount of cheaters that installed the game because valve added pointless ranks to casual mode

the ambassador nerf
the fact that the maps valve chooses to add to the game are clearly made to look pretty rather than play well
random crits
random bullet spread
froyo's absolute dominance over the NA (and possibly EU) scene
casual in itself
skial servers
ddos protection on servers that make playing on them feel like garbage
pyro as a whole
the fact that this game is poorly optimized
the size of the tf2 coding team
medic scout speed buff
mge demomen who run to the corner of the map and sit there every single life
the fact that barely any good players stream consistently
the rampant amount of cheaters that installed the game because valve added pointless ranks to casual mode
152
#152
-6 Frags +

highlander as a whole

highlander as a whole
153
#153
2 Frags +

shitty map clipping

shitty map clipping
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#154
3 Frags +

airblast stun so you cant strafe whatsoever

airblast stun so you cant strafe whatsoever
155
#155
31 Frags +

I hate that TF2's a game with all these beautiful mechanics, depth, a high skill ceiling, and fast-paced action, a pretty extensive competitive history, a community that will still crowdfund teams going to lan, and people choose to play engineer sitting in the intel in 2fort for hours at a time.

I hate that TF2's a game with all these beautiful mechanics, depth, a high skill ceiling, and fast-paced action, a pretty extensive competitive history, a community that will [b]still[/b] crowdfund teams going to lan, and people choose to play engineer sitting in the intel in 2fort for hours at a time.
156
#156
2 Frags +
Likokoneairblast stun so you cant strafe whatsoever

i'll extend this to generally when the patch notes say one thing but the gameplay is completely different

https://i.imgur.com/5BVSuYz.png

I think the only true statement here is that the angle of airblast is factored in (maybe airblast being a cone, haven't tested), everything else is the opposite of what the patch notes says it should be. somehow made it even worse to play against.

edit: i guess reduced footing meaning turning the map into an ice rink is also true but seems a bit extreme considering how its worded

[quote=Likokone]airblast stun so you cant strafe whatsoever[/quote]

i'll extend this to generally when the patch notes say one thing but the gameplay is completely different

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5BVSuYz.png[/img]

I think the only true statement here is that the angle of airblast is factored in (maybe airblast being a cone, haven't tested), everything else is the [i]opposite[/i] of what the patch notes says it should be. somehow made it even worse to play against.

edit: i guess reduced footing meaning turning the map into an ice rink is also true but seems a bit extreme considering how its worded
157
#157
7 Frags +

Why do people disappear when I tab out
It's so aids having to record a demo and end it everytime it happens

Why do people disappear when I tab out
It's so aids having to record a demo and end it everytime it happens
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#158
20 Frags +

soldiers who wait for u to land

have some pride u pussies

soldiers who wait for u to land

have some pride u pussies
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#159
17 Frags +

VALVE
SRS
FUCK THOSE GUYS
COULDN'T EVEN LET THIS GAME DIE WITH ITS DIGNITY
THEY HAD TO KILL COMMUNITY SERVERS AND ADD A JOKE COMP MODE
YES IM MAD

ALSO FUCK THE SCOUT MEDIC SPEED BUFF/90% OF UNLOCKS/ OPTIMIZATION/HITREG/COSMETICS/RANDOM CRITS/THE DEMO NERF/AND OPEN PLAYERS

VALVE
SRS
FUCK THOSE GUYS
COULDN'T EVEN LET THIS GAME DIE WITH ITS DIGNITY
THEY HAD TO KILL COMMUNITY SERVERS AND ADD A JOKE COMP MODE
YES IM MAD

ALSO FUCK THE SCOUT MEDIC SPEED BUFF/90% OF UNLOCKS/ OPTIMIZATION/HITREG/COSMETICS/RANDOM CRITS/THE DEMO NERF/AND OPEN PLAYERS
160
#160
3 Frags +

I think the most hurtful thing about tf2 is that it made valve so much money and was really the first of their games to do that with the micro transaction system but compared to csgo and dota2 the developers never cared much for the competitive scene whereas in all the other games it was used to fund tournaments and whatnot. The graphics setting being restricted is also quite annoying in the official competitive and makes me not even want to try it even though it is something I had wanted for forever, I personally thought csgo's in game mm was pretty fun and having something similar in tf2 would've been great but at this point it just doesn't interest me anymore, csgo has a bunch of it's own problems too though and I don't play it anymore either because of them.

TF2 was honestly a really fun game competitively when I played it but years of getting neglected by the developers in lieu of their other titles and then getting too little too late wasn't too great.

Optimization is also horrible in my experience I couldn't run TF2 the last few times I tried with a stable fps so I've just given up even trying to open it at this point and I could run much better looking games with much better fps.

As for unlocks it could be a bit annoying that some unlocks were pretty much always better than stocks in 99% of situations hence you would always wish to use them or else be at a disadvantage, although many weapon ban lists partly solved this, many of them kept vital ones which were part of the meta. I never played tf2 when it had only stock and I wish I did, I tried a bit of tfc and enjoyed it with it's list of weapons. But considering that most of these unlocks could also be gotten quite cheaply from gameplay I'd say this is less major.

For classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.

Honestly though I think the 6v6 format was pretty good and most fault lay in valve not being interested in listening to the competitive scene and giving little support especially compared to how much money they passively made off tf2. And then seeing the support given to csgo and dota2

I think the most hurtful thing about tf2 is that it made valve so much money and was really the first of their games to do that with the micro transaction system but compared to csgo and dota2 the developers never cared much for the competitive scene whereas in all the other games it was used to fund tournaments and whatnot. The graphics setting being restricted is also quite annoying in the official competitive and makes me not even want to try it even though it is something I had wanted for forever, I personally thought csgo's in game mm was pretty fun and having something similar in tf2 would've been great but at this point it just doesn't interest me anymore, csgo has a bunch of it's own problems too though and I don't play it anymore either because of them.

TF2 was honestly a really fun game competitively when I played it but years of getting neglected by the developers in lieu of their other titles and then getting too little too late wasn't too great.

Optimization is also horrible in my experience I couldn't run TF2 the last few times I tried with a stable fps so I've just given up even trying to open it at this point and I could run much better looking games with much better fps.

As for unlocks it could be a bit annoying that some unlocks were pretty much always better than stocks in 99% of situations hence you would always wish to use them or else be at a disadvantage, although many weapon ban lists partly solved this, many of them kept vital ones which were part of the meta. I never played tf2 when it had only stock and I wish I did, I tried a bit of tfc and enjoyed it with it's list of weapons. But considering that most of these unlocks could also be gotten quite cheaply from gameplay I'd say this is less major.

For classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.


Honestly though I think the 6v6 format was pretty good and most fault lay in valve not being interested in listening to the competitive scene and giving little support especially compared to how much money they passively made off tf2. And then seeing the support given to csgo and dota2
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#161
-2 Frags +

Searching for a team
My ping

Searching for a team
My ping
162
#162
6 Frags +

Badlands last cap time not being like it used to. People did not complain about that map this much back then and its obvious why.

Badlands last cap time not being like it used to. People did not complain about that map this much back then and its obvious why.
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#163
4 Frags +
lynaFor classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.

i always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun

[quote=lyna]
For classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.
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i always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun
164
#164
1 Frags +
Spui always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun

you're right, I just meant in addition too. thinking of all the times a pug would sit for a long time at 10/12 needing medics whereas with scrims your medic was always there

[quote=Spu]i always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun[/quote]

you're right, I just meant in addition too. thinking of all the times a pug would sit for a long time at 10/12 needing medics whereas with scrims your medic was always there
165
#165
6 Frags +

slightly elevated inclines

slightly elevated inclines
166
#166
13 Frags +

when someone says "join on me" and you click join game on their server info but then it just puts you into their party and you can't join their server.
does anyone know why this happens

when someone says "join on me" and you click join game on their server info but then it just puts you into their party and you can't join their server.
does anyone know why this happens
167
#167
1 Frags +

snipers
the lack of 6s games played on koth maps
5cp maps that use the same layouts and have the same flaws

the medigun speed boost
crossbow healing at close range

Not really a fault with the game, but as a bad jumper the game gives me no good help in seeing what I did wrong; like in a car game i can look at a replay and say ok i mistook this corner here but when i jump i have big trouble understanding if i should fire earlier/higher/if i missed a strafe, and it makes it frustrating. It's even more frustrating as flying in FPS (for example some jurf jumps or tribes gameplay) feels very relaxing to me, but I can't reach it.

snipers
the lack of 6s games played on koth maps
5cp maps that use the same layouts and have the same flaws

the medigun speed boost
crossbow healing at close range

Not really a fault with the game, but as a bad jumper the game gives me no good help in seeing what I did wrong; like in a car game i can look at a replay and say ok i mistook this corner here but when i jump i have big trouble understanding if i should fire earlier/higher/if i missed a strafe, and it makes it frustrating. It's even more frustrating as flying in FPS (for example some jurf jumps or tribes gameplay) feels very relaxing to me, but I can't reach it.
168
#168
3 Frags +
SpulynaFor classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.i always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun

I'd play medic in pugs if I felt like people care, pay attention to comms, and generally behaved like they would in a proper team. But as you say, people just want to frag and chill. Whenever you start asking what went wrong on mid, or can player X do Y next round all you get is either silence or 'who cares its a pug'. That relegates medic gameplay to surfing rockets and hitting arrows.

[quote=Spu][quote=lyna]
For classes I personally enjoyed playing all the classes and did medic for a while but maybe the fact that it was always very hard to get a medic in a pug speaks of his role and maybe it deserves to take a look at him from a fundamental level? Yes you can medic but most would agree I think that playing scout, soldier, sniper, (won't speak for demoman because I always thought he had a very high learning curve in competitive and I was always trash at him) tended to be a better experience in pugs where most players were primarily concerned with practicing their own play rather than full on strategy where medics tended to be more important.
[/quote]
i always thought that the reason people dont want to play medic is killing people is fun[/quote]
I'd play medic in pugs if I felt like people care, pay attention to comms, and generally behaved like they would in a proper team. But as you say, people just want to frag and chill. Whenever you start asking what went wrong on mid, or can player X do Y next round all you get is either silence or 'who cares its a pug'. That relegates medic gameplay to surfing rockets and hitting arrows.
169
#169
5 Frags +
TwiggyI'd play medic in pugs if I felt like people care, pay attention to comms, and generally behaved like they would in a proper team. But as you say, people just want to frag and chill. Whenever you start asking what went wrong on mid, or can player X do Y next round all you get is either silence or 'who cares its a pug'. That relegates medic gameplay to surfing rockets and hitting arrows.

Agreed. I main and love playing medic but i REFUSE to play medic in pugs. The class is no fun when people dont care.

[quote=Twiggy]
I'd play medic in pugs if I felt like people care, pay attention to comms, and generally behaved like they would in a proper team. But as you say, people just want to frag and chill. Whenever you start asking what went wrong on mid, or can player X do Y next round all you get is either silence or 'who cares its a pug'. That relegates medic gameplay to surfing rockets and hitting arrows.[/quote]
Agreed. I main and love playing medic but i REFUSE to play medic in pugs. The class is no fun when people dont care.
170
#170
10 Frags +

Medic running at scout speed and crossbow seriously fuck you whoever came up with the concept like why fuck that

Medic running at scout speed and crossbow seriously fuck you whoever came up with the concept like why fuck that
171
#171
1 Frags +

koth_cascade_rc1a

koth_cascade_rc1a
172
#172
1 Frags +

heavy
non stock weapons (almost all of em)
playing soldier on high ping (just a personal grievance)
spy backstab changes a really long time ago
crouch animation changes
demo nerfs
rampbugs
the great divide between pub play and competitive. it feels like two different games
valve not giving a fuck about us (the competitive community)

heavy
non stock weapons (almost all of em)
playing soldier on high ping (just a personal grievance)
spy backstab changes a really long time ago
crouch animation changes
demo nerfs
rampbugs
the great divide between pub play and competitive. it feels like two different games
valve not giving a fuck about us (the competitive community)
173
#173
-1 Frags +

heavies getting arrow tanked at last

heavies getting arrow tanked at last
174
#174
1 Frags +
ScrewballVALVE
SRS
FUCK THOSE GUYS
COULDN'T EVEN LET THIS GAME DIE WITH ITS DIGNITY
THEY HAD TO KILL COMMUNITY SERVERS AND ADD A JOKE COMP MODE
YES IM MAD

Think you also got to point your finger at some of the administrators of this website who ran away to Overwatch for this as well.

[quote=Screwball]VALVE
SRS
FUCK THOSE GUYS
COULDN'T EVEN LET THIS GAME DIE WITH ITS DIGNITY
THEY HAD TO KILL COMMUNITY SERVERS AND ADD A JOKE COMP MODE
YES IM MAD

[/quote]

Think you also got to point your finger at some of the administrators of this website who ran away to Overwatch for this as well.
175
#175
3 Frags +

how the medic's movement speed changes depending on what class you are healing

how the medic's movement speed changes depending on what class you are healing
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#176
-2 Frags +

etf2l being held by biased germans admins, and controlled by virgins brits

etf2l being held by biased germans admins, and controlled by virgins brits
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#177
1 Frags +

the fact that some players are just naturally good at video games and will trash u consistently even though u practice/play more often and have more time in the game.

the fact that some players are just naturally good at video games and will trash u consistently even though u practice/play more often and have more time in the game.
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#178
5 Frags +

team issues leading to me losing close friends ive made over the years

team issues leading to me losing close friends ive made over the years
179
#179
0 Frags +

playoffs choking

playoffs choking
180
#180
1 Frags +

Pyro
The potential this game has being wasted due to lack of real valve support
Quickplay being removed

Pyro
The potential this game has being wasted due to lack of real valve support
Quickplay being removed
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