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631
#631
3 Frags +

Tbh I wanted more (although they have said comp changes are coming)but I'm just grateful they still do updates like this and am looking forward to playing it.

Love the game and hopefully they've made it even better.

Tbh I wanted more (although they have said comp changes are coming)but I'm just grateful they still do updates like this and am looking forward to playing it.

Love the game and hopefully they've made it even better.
632
#632
-8 Frags +
roachlol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv

[quote=roach]lol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit[/quote]

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv
633
#633
22 Frags +
goblinroachlol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv

Reddit is happy because they got updates for the shitty pyro, tf.tv is sad because comp got neglected. Two different target audiences.

[quote=goblin][quote=roach]lol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit[/quote]

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv[/quote]

Reddit is happy because they got updates for the shitty pyro, tf.tv is sad because comp got neglected. Two different target audiences.
634
#634
0 Frags +
it_is_crownAs a Medic main, Im interested if vita saw will be viable and will be allowed

I mean, you can get a saw and have 25% uber right now that might put you over the top

or you can get a saw, die and save 15% uber per swipe that you might not even have

I guess the latter is preferable if you keep dying in post-uber fights, but otherwise I'm not seeing the appeal (unless organs somehow carry over through deaths?)

[quote=it_is_crown]As a Medic main, Im interested if vita saw will be viable and will be allowed[/quote]

I mean, you can get a saw and have 25% uber right now that might put you over the top

or you can get a saw, die and save 15% uber per swipe that you might not even have

I guess the latter is preferable if you keep dying in post-uber fights, but otherwise I'm not seeing the appeal (unless organs somehow carry over through deaths?)
635
#635
16 Frags +

valve seems to still not understand how the übercharge build rate works

valve seems to still not understand how the übercharge build rate works
636
#636
3 Frags +
damneasyLike the game might have 10 years old code in it, and fixing someone elses code is not very easy.

matchmaking is 18 month old code, that excuse is meaningless

[quote=damneasy]Like the game might have 10 years old code in it, and fixing someone elses code is not very easy.[/quote]
matchmaking is 18 month old code, that excuse is meaningless
637
#637
17 Frags +
nopedamneasyLike the game might have 10 years old code in it, and fixing someone elses code is not very easy.matchmaking is 18 month old code, that excuse is meaningless

FRESH CODE GET YOUR FRESH CODE HERE

18 MONTHS OR NEWER

NO 5 YEAR OLD ROTTING CODE HERE ONLY THE FRESHEST CODE

GUARANTEED 5% OR LESS SPAGHETTI CONTENT

[quote=nope][quote=damneasy]Like the game might have 10 years old code in it, and fixing someone elses code is not very easy.[/quote]
matchmaking is 18 month old code, that excuse is meaningless[/quote]

FRESH CODE GET YOUR FRESH CODE HERE

18 MONTHS OR NEWER

NO 5 YEAR OLD ROTTING CODE HERE ONLY THE FRESHEST CODE

GUARANTEED 5% OR LESS SPAGHETTI CONTENT
638
#638
-20 Frags +
Inogoblinroachlol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv

Reddit is happy because they got updates for the shitty pyro, tf.tv is sad because comp got neglected. Two different target audiences.

Ouch the edge

[quote=Ino][quote=goblin][quote=roach]lol u guys are hella ungrateful

be happy u even got a fuckign update.. haha seriously devs read the shit u post. If I was a tf2 dev I would be more inclined to go work on something else than rigorously produce updates for u fucks to throw it back in their face n say it's shit[/quote]

Honestly they should just move onto Dota with feed back like what's in this thread. It's a sad day when reddit is less toxic than tf.tv[/quote]

Reddit is happy because they got updates for the shitty pyro, tf.tv is sad because comp got neglected. Two different target audiences.[/quote]

Ouch the edge
639
#639
46 Frags +

It's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made

It's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made
640
#640
6 Frags +

i actually wanted to open some crates to thank valve for the changes but now theyll get no money from me >:(

i actually wanted to open some crates to thank valve for the changes but now theyll get no money from me >:(
641
#641
2 Frags +

Can they nerf quickfix and vaccinator, please

Can they nerf quickfix and vaccinator, please
642
#642
11 Frags +

day 1-3 tf.tv : this is the best update

day 4 tf.tv : im disappointed

day 1-3 tf.tv : this is the best update

day 4 tf.tv : im disappointed
643
#643
8 Frags +

i just want some optimizations man, not even looking for balancing changes cuz i know they'll fuck it up

i just want some optimizations man, not even looking for balancing changes cuz i know they'll fuck it up
644
#644
8 Frags +
kawaIt's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house.

This but to be fair most of the stuff they did do was good. I think it's the first time I've ever looked at an update's patch notes and not immediately thought 'holy shit at least half of these changes are terrible'. They even ditched the amby rng idea they put out in the blogpost. Some of the new weapons are probably going to be aids but that's par for the course for pyro.

I'm still hella upset but even when I looked at the notes this morning I was pretty happy with what was with there. The only issue I have is what wasn't. These changes + matchmaking (and more balance changes in the same vein in the future) have the potential to revive tf2, it's just going to take another ten years at this rate by which point pc gaming will be dead and vr dota will kill the game instead.

[quote=kawa]It's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house.[/quote]

This but to be fair most of the stuff they did do was good. I think it's the first time I've ever looked at an update's patch notes and not immediately thought 'holy shit at least half of these changes are terrible'. They even ditched the amby rng idea they put out in the blogpost. Some of the new weapons are probably going to be aids but that's par for the course for pyro.

I'm still hella upset but even when I looked at the notes this morning I was pretty happy with what was with there. The only issue I have is what wasn't. These changes + matchmaking (and more balance changes in the same vein in the future) have the potential to revive tf2, it's just going to take another ten years at this rate by which point pc gaming will be dead and vr dota will kill the game instead.
645
#645
9 Frags +

darwin's danger shield

current:
+25 max health on wearer
+15% bullet damage resistance on wearer
20% explosive damage vulnerability on wearer

future:
+afterburn (which was just nerfed lmao) immunity
+50% fire resist

GOAL: remove the increased survivability against enemy snipers

o idk how about you just frickin
+25 hp
+20% bullet damage vulnerability on wearer

sdfkl.sdfsdfjklfkl?sdfjklsdklsdf I dont get how valve can be so crappy at coming up with solutions to simple problems
I swear to god 80% of people on this forum no matter the division could put up a better patch than this in like, an hour

darwin's danger shield

current:
+25 max health on wearer
+15% bullet damage resistance on wearer
20% explosive damage vulnerability on wearer


future:
+afterburn (which was just nerfed lmao) immunity
+50% fire resist

GOAL: remove the increased survivability against enemy snipers


o idk how about you just frickin
+25 hp
+20% bullet damage vulnerability on wearer


sdfkl.sdfsdfjklfkl?sdfjklsdklsdf I dont get how valve can be so crappy at coming up with solutions to simple problems
I swear to god 80% of people on this forum no matter the division could put up a better patch than this in like, an hour
646
#646
-23 Frags +
kawaIt's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made

you're trying to make a valid point but you insist on calling the only few people willing to work on the game incompetent fucks? bro fuck u

[quote=kawa]It's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made[/quote]

you're trying to make a valid point but you insist on calling the only few people willing to work on the game incompetent fucks? bro fuck u
647
#647
-17 Frags +
kawaIt's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made

It's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.

[quote=kawa]It's not fucking edgy to be disappointed by an update that took 18 months to release with about 3ish months worth of content from any mid-sized developer. You're a fucking moron if you think you can cry about your fanbase being disappointed when you're sitting there getting 90% of your new content by utilizing community maps and cosmetics, not even making them in house. Tf2 updates used to be fucking great for the first 3-4 years of the game, you'd get something decent every 6-8 months at least. This update was hyped up to be a serious game changer, and valve couldn't even live up to the promise of helping out their most dedicated fanbase (competitive matchmaking) after a year and a fucking half. Go the fuck back to reddit if you can't handle people being upset when their favorite game is being ruined by awful devs. And holy fuck this roach guy, "rigorously producing updates" give me a fucking break man

To be honest, they could see huge returns by putting a few people on the tf2 staff who know what they're doing and cutting the interns who would be better off making free mobile phone games. But alas, gabe newell needs to eat his daily gold-plated truffle cake so we'll continue to have incompetent fucks behind one of the greatest games ever made[/quote]

It's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.
648
#648
12 Frags +

With the like 5 coders and 25 artists and this new map being about the only non community made thing, it better be the best thing since sliced bread.

With the like 5 coders and 25 artists and this new map being about the only non community made thing, it better be the best thing since sliced bread.
649
#649
12 Frags +

aaaaaaa help me im going insane

I guess this is what happens when they use EQUIP RATES to balance their game

o hey this item is equipped a lot it probably means it's fun let's fuck it up

aaaaaaa help me im going insane

I guess this is what happens when they use EQUIP RATES to balance their game


o hey this item is equipped a lot it probably means it's fun let's fuck it up
650
#650
21 Frags +

i dont know whars worse: every dissapointing update since 2014 or valve apologists

i dont know whars worse: every dissapointing update since 2014 or valve apologists
651
#651
7 Frags +

it's really not that bad people. They fixed the Pyro, just like promise

it's really not that bad people. They fixed the Pyro, just like promise
652
#652
-7 Frags +

REEE wtf valve, comp is the only good thing about tf2, how dare you make content that appeals to the casual playerbase and not the one that less than 10% of the playerbase plays!?!?!?

REEE wtf valve, comp is the only good thing about tf2, how dare you make content that appeals to the casual playerbase and not the one that less than 10% of the playerbase plays!?!?!?
653
#653
-20 Frags +
Ambassador
probably doesn't need changing, keep the distance falloff but don't add the 1200 world units stuff bc it's unnecessary with distance falloff

Dead Ringer
literally doesnt need changing

Your Eternal Reward
+1 caprate on the existing version so it has its own other niche use

Bone Atomic Punch
literally doesnt need changing, increase cooldown if you want

The Atomizer
literally doesnt need changing, add some garbage downside to make it mildly worse if you want

BASE Jumper
literally doesnt need changing

mantreads
cool change tbh maybe

cow mangler
uh maybe not needed but I'm ok with the change

Righteous Bison
cool change

Darwin's Danger Shield
+25hp
+20% bullet vulnerability

Crusader's Crossbow
seems like an ok change but I might be wrong on this one

all miniguns
cool change

Fists of Steel
if you rly wanna change it add a 'marked for death' thingy on weapon switch for 3 seconds or whatever

Pomson
Go back to the old design of penetrating players and remove the cloak + ubercharge stuff entirely, just make it a slightly better righteous bison

I wrote this in literally 15 minutes and I might be one of those deluded spuf losers but I'm p sure this is just straight up an improvement to the things I wrote about, I haven't played this game in like a year

[quote]Ambassador
probably doesn't need changing, keep the distance falloff but don't add the 1200 world units stuff bc it's unnecessary with distance falloff

Dead Ringer
literally doesnt need changing

Your Eternal Reward
+1 caprate on the existing version so it has its own other niche use

Bone Atomic Punch
literally doesnt need changing, increase cooldown if you want

The Atomizer
literally doesnt need changing, add some garbage downside to make it mildly worse if you want

BASE Jumper
literally doesnt need changing

mantreads
cool change tbh maybe

cow mangler
uh maybe not needed but I'm ok with the change

Righteous Bison
cool change

Darwin's Danger Shield
+25hp
+20% bullet vulnerability

Crusader's Crossbow
seems like an ok change but I might be wrong on this one

all miniguns
cool change

Fists of Steel
if you rly wanna change it add a 'marked for death' thingy on weapon switch for 3 seconds or whatever

Pomson
Go back to the old design of penetrating players and remove the cloak + ubercharge stuff entirely, just make it a slightly better righteous bison
[/quote]






I wrote this in literally 15 minutes and I might be one of those deluded spuf losers but I'm p sure this is just straight up an improvement to the things I wrote about, I haven't played this game in like a year
654
#654
18 Frags +
goblinIt's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.

You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.

[quote=goblin]
It's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.[/quote]

You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.
655
#655
-10 Frags +
Doom1goblinIt's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.
You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.

Knowing this, it doesn't excuse personally insulting the devs.

[quote=Doom1][quote=goblin]
It's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.[/quote]

You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.[/quote]
Knowing this, it doesn't excuse personally insulting the devs.
656
#656
0 Frags +

Am I the only one who doesn't like the mantreads change? I think it's wrong to mess with the core physics of the game. Also hitting an airshot on a player that has them will be pure luck. It's something that you'd see in a silly community pub not in the official game.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the mantreads change? I think it's wrong to mess with the core physics of the game. Also hitting an airshot on a player that has them will be pure luck. It's something that you'd see in a silly community pub not in the official game.
657
#657
19 Frags +
bubblebobblerI wrote this in literally 15 minutes and I might be one of those deluded spuf losers but I'm p sure this is just straight up an improvement to the things I wrote about, I haven't played this game in like a year

yeah youre wrong about like 90% of those

[quote=bubblebobbler]
I wrote this in literally 15 minutes and I might be one of those deluded spuf losers but I'm p sure this is just straight up an improvement to the things I wrote about, I haven't played this game in like a year[/quote]

yeah youre wrong about like 90% of those
658
#658
2 Frags +
syphAm I the only one who doesn't like the mantreads change? I think it's wrong to mess with the core physics of the game. Also hitting an airshot on a player that has the will be pure luck. It's something that you'd see in a silly community pub not in the official game.

we still don't know what "+200% air control" means
the clip you've seen before is just fan-made, not official

but if it's truth, strafejumping is possible now

edit: the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-alVnATcZmk
oh wait, i forgot, only when blast-jumping

[quote=syph]Am I the only one who doesn't like the mantreads change? I think it's wrong to mess with the core physics of the game. Also hitting an airshot on a player that has the will be pure luck. It's something that you'd see in a silly community pub not in the official game.[/quote]

we still don't know what "+200% air control" means
the clip you've seen before is just fan-made, not official

but if it's truth, strafejumping is possible now

edit: the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-alVnATcZmk
oh wait, i forgot, only when blast-jumping
659
#659
6 Frags +
blAstroDoom1goblinIt's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.
You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.
Knowing this, it doesn't excuse personally insulting the devs.

Calling them incompetent in the context of their product (TF2) is not really the same as a personal insult that has nothing to do with the topic. They're putting out mostly garbage with a little bit of okay content while the community does a lot of heavy lifting with maps, items etc. and it's taking them way longer than it should as well.

Any company that is creating a product people are putting money and time into is going to told they're incompetent if they produce way less than their pay and time spent should produce and especially if they neglect some massive things the community has been ranting and raving about for ages. Valve is not a tiny little indie studio making zero money off of their time, they are paid well and they have all the information they need.

[quote=blAstro][quote=Doom1][quote=goblin]
It's not edgy to be disappointed in the update, but is edgy to personally insult the small development team we're lucky enough to have even bothered to stick around. Fuck off.[/quote]

You're acting as if they don't get paid for it. It took them a year to put out a mediocre update stuffed with community made content. They said it will be size of 2-3 major updates, but it' clearly fucking not.[/quote]
Knowing this, it doesn't excuse personally insulting the devs.[/quote]
Calling them incompetent in the context of their product (TF2) is not really the same as a personal insult that has nothing to do with the topic. They're putting out mostly garbage with a little bit of okay content while the community does a lot of heavy lifting with maps, items etc. and it's taking them way longer than it should as well.

Any company that is creating a product people are putting money and time into is going to told they're incompetent if they produce way less than their pay and time spent should produce and [b]especially[/b] if they neglect some massive things the community has been ranting and raving about for ages. Valve is not a tiny little indie studio making zero money off of their time, they are paid well and they have all the information they need.
660
#660
5 Frags +
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holy shit milo is still alive!?

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holy shit milo is still alive!?
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