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YipyapperI'm not a huge connoisseur of american politics, but do the wins he had in the primaries yesterday pretty much secure his place in the republican nomination or no? I'm taking realistically, I'm at least aware that he needs a certain amount of delegates to win it

like are the remaining states ones that he'd likely win? is he not well liked in those states? also someone tell me whether sanders or clinton seem likely to win the democratic nomination because apparently she's leading but all I've heard from the internet is people praising bernie

it doesnt really secure it because if Kasich and Carson swallow their pride and drop out, 90% of their votes with go to Rubio/Cruz. Kasich and Carson made up around 15-20% in most states so it's kind of a big deal. IMO Carson wants to sell books and Kasich wants to be Trumps running mate.

[quote=Yipyapper]I'm not a huge connoisseur of american politics, but do the wins he had in the primaries yesterday pretty much secure his place in the republican nomination or no? I'm taking realistically, I'm at least aware that he needs a certain amount of delegates to win it

like are the remaining states ones that he'd likely win? is he not well liked in those states? also someone tell me whether sanders or clinton seem likely to win the democratic nomination because apparently she's leading but all I've heard from the internet is people praising bernie[/quote]
it doesnt really secure it because if Kasich and Carson swallow their pride and drop out, 90% of their votes with go to Rubio/Cruz. Kasich and Carson made up around 15-20% in most states so it's kind of a big deal. IMO Carson wants to sell books and Kasich wants to be Trumps running mate.
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phraxcandidates should be judged on the validity of their actual stance, not the scalar controversy they create.

Yeah and Trump's stances on American issues are remarkably moderate and rational

Copy pasted from reddit:

No more nation building in the Middle East. He openly called the Iraq War a mistake even back when it wasn't cool to do so.

He wants lower and middle class tax cuts.

He is focused on American jobs.

He wants to reduce student loan debt. Is against the government charging interest on student loans: "That's probably one of the only things the government shouldn't make money off – I think it's terrible that one of the only profit centers we have is student loans." Openness to lowering student loan interest rates and making loan forgiveness programs.
Wants to audit the Federal Reserve.

He's genuinely against TPP, which screws over American producers through a guise of "free trade" (Only candidate other than Sanders who is against TPP)

Doesn't have any special interests groups funding him unlike the other candidates. Has called for all candidates to return the money they're getting back to Super PACs and to remove special interest groups from our election process.
Likes universal healthcare, is open to replacing America's broken system with something similar to Canada but better.
Moderate on social issues (e.g. affirmative action, women's health, gay rights)

Focus on broad-based American nationalism instead of narrow and divisive race and gender identity politics.
Acknowledgement that political correctness is obnoxious.

Desire to put America first in trade deals instead of pure Wall Street globalism that exploits third world workers abroad and destroys domestic jobs.

Realist based foreign policy. (e.g. deal with Putin if it is in our national interest to do so, even if he isn't a nice guy).
National pride. The man loves his country and thinks it is the best. Every country should have a leader like that.

Diversity: he employed women in leadership roles before it was popular to do that. And he did it in the construction industry of all places. He has absolutely nothing against legal immigration, he's encouraged it many times. His grandparents are immigrants, his wife is an immigrant, several of his closest business partners in New York are immigrants. He is against uncontrolled, illegal immigration.

Hugely successful businessman, knows how to manage money, how to invest for the future and a fantastic negotiator.
Unlike other candidates, his economic plan actually makes sense. It would result in "an 11 percent higher GDP, a 29 percent larger capital stock, 6.5 percent higher wages, and 5.3 million more full-time equivalent jobs". Take a look at the video of him back in 1991 talking about how to utilize the upper class to re-invest in America or face higher taxes .Not only is he very knowledgable in economics and investment, but the tax structure he offers up back in 91' seems relevant even today to help alleviate some of the complaints we have about 1%'ers and wall street.

Acknowledges the danger of allowing mass refugees from places governed by fundamentalist terrorist groups, even if such acknowledgment is not politically correct.

[quote=phrax]candidates should be judged on the validity of their actual stance, not the scalar controversy they create.[/quote]

Yeah and Trump's stances on American issues are remarkably moderate and rational

Copy pasted from reddit:

No more nation building in the Middle East. He openly called the Iraq War a mistake even back when it wasn't cool to do so.

He wants lower and middle class tax cuts.

He is focused on American jobs.

He wants to reduce student loan debt. Is against the government charging interest on student loans: "That's probably one of the only things the government shouldn't make money off – I think it's terrible that one of the only profit centers we have is student loans." Openness to lowering student loan interest rates and making loan forgiveness programs.
Wants to audit the Federal Reserve.

He's genuinely against TPP, which screws over American producers through a guise of "free trade" (Only candidate other than Sanders who is against TPP)

Doesn't have any special interests groups funding him unlike the other candidates. Has called for all candidates to return the money they're getting back to Super PACs and to remove special interest groups from our election process.
Likes universal healthcare, is open to replacing America's broken system with something similar to Canada but better.
Moderate on social issues (e.g. affirmative action, women's health, gay rights)

Focus on broad-based American nationalism instead of narrow and divisive race and gender identity politics.
Acknowledgement that political correctness is obnoxious.

Desire to put America first in trade deals instead of pure Wall Street globalism that exploits third world workers abroad and destroys domestic jobs.

Realist based foreign policy. (e.g. deal with Putin if it is in our national interest to do so, even if he isn't a nice guy).
National pride. The man loves his country and thinks it is the best. Every country should have a leader like that.

Diversity: he employed women in leadership roles before it was popular to do that. And he did it in the construction industry of all places. He has absolutely nothing against legal immigration, he's encouraged it many times. His grandparents are immigrants, his wife is an immigrant, several of his closest business partners in New York are immigrants. He is against uncontrolled, illegal immigration.

Hugely successful businessman, knows how to manage money, how to invest for the future and a fantastic negotiator.
Unlike other candidates, his economic plan actually makes sense. It would result in "an 11 percent higher GDP, a 29 percent larger capital stock, 6.5 percent higher wages, and 5.3 million more full-time equivalent jobs". Take a look at the video of him back in 1991 talking about how to utilize the upper class to re-invest in America or face higher taxes .Not only is he very knowledgable in economics and investment, but the tax structure he offers up back in 91' seems relevant even today to help alleviate some of the complaints we have about 1%'ers and wall street.

Acknowledges the danger of allowing mass refugees from places governed by fundamentalist terrorist groups, even if such acknowledgment is not politically correct.
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#333
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flyyyyTrumpWillMake_______Again
Thoughts?

Trump will make ANIME great again.

but really, I think most of the hatred for trump is just people following what they see in the media (99% of the media being extremely liberal and anti-trump)

[quote=flyyyy]TrumpWillMake_______Again
Thoughts?[/quote]

Trump will make ANIME great again.

but really, I think most of the hatred for trump is just people following what they see in the media (99% of the media being [i]extremely[/i] liberal and anti-trump)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ
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#335
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In addition, if you compare Trump's speeches to every other candidate, not only are they more evocative than any other candidate, but they address real issues from his platform. Every other candidate in yesterday's speeches did not talk about their platform much at all, instead focusing on insulting Trump/Hillary.

In addition, if you compare Trump's speeches to every other candidate, not only are they more evocative than any other candidate, but they address real issues from his platform. Every other candidate in yesterday's speeches did not talk about their platform much at all, instead focusing on insulting Trump/Hillary.
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#336
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

Top video explaining the issue of Muslims from high risk areas. inb4 "SHEEPY HATES MUSLIMS!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

Top video explaining the issue of Muslims from high risk areas. inb4 "SHEEPY HATES MUSLIMS!!!"
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#337
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quintoshhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

I am seriously disappointed in anyone that uses a British comedian to shape their views on American politics.

[quote=quintosh]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/quote]

I am seriously disappointed in anyone that uses a British comedian to shape their views on American politics.
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#338
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good, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better

good, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better
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#339
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-fish-flyyyyTrumpWillMake_______Again
Thoughts?

Trump will make ANIME great again.

but really, I think most of the hatred for trump is just people following what they see in the media (99% of the media being extremely liberal and anti-trump)

TrumpWillMakeMyHairGreatAgain

Every time there's a change in the US is when republicans are at power. And every time they have the plurality, democrats call them out for being rich. Political ballet.

[quote=-fish-][quote=flyyyy]TrumpWillMake_______Again
Thoughts?[/quote]

Trump will make ANIME great again.

but really, I think most of the hatred for trump is just people following what they see in the media (99% of the media being [i]extremely[/i] liberal and anti-trump)[/quote]

TrumpWillMakeMyHairGreatAgain

Every time there's a change in the US is when republicans are at power. And every time they have the plurality, democrats call them out for being rich. Political ballet.
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#340
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quintoshgood, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better

Alright then, I'll just tell you all the stupid shit contained in that video.

-First off, the Trump family has had the name Trump since the 1600s, and never had the name Drumpf in the first place, just a complete lie
-The Jon Stewart tweets were the end of a chain of tweets which started by Trump innocently using Jon Stewart's birth name then Stewart replying by saying that Trumps birth name was "Fuckface Von Nervestick". Yeah, alright, that's good enough grounds to respond like a sarcastic asshole in my book.
-He actually used Politifact polls as a source to saying Trump is a liar. LOL
-Oliver is acting like a company being in debt is a bad thing? Companies ALWAYS have liabilities including debt.
-He has no policies unlike Rubio and Cruz? Just a blatant lie, he arguably focuses on policies publicly more than those two combined.
-He changed his mind on some issues? So does fucking everybody, the difference is Trump isn't a career politician. It makes sense that his views changed upon his first venture into politics.

It's good comedy, but it has little to no actual importance.

[quote=quintosh]good, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better[/quote]

Alright then, I'll just tell you all the stupid shit contained in that video.

-First off, the Trump family has had the name Trump since the 1600s, and never had the name Drumpf in the first place, just a complete lie
-The Jon Stewart tweets were the end of a chain of tweets which started by Trump innocently using Jon Stewart's birth name then Stewart replying by saying that Trumps birth name was "Fuckface Von Nervestick". Yeah, alright, that's good enough grounds to respond like a sarcastic asshole in my book.
-He actually used Politifact polls as a source to saying Trump is a liar. LOL
-Oliver is acting like a company being in debt is a bad thing? Companies ALWAYS have liabilities including debt.
-He has no policies unlike Rubio and Cruz? Just a blatant lie, he arguably focuses on policies publicly more than those two combined.
-He changed his mind on some issues? So does fucking everybody, the difference is Trump isn't a career politician. It makes sense that his views changed upon his first venture into politics.

It's good comedy, but it has little to no actual importance.
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#341
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Welp, every primary that Drumpf wins means one step closer to moving to Denmark.

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Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate
Welp, every primary that Drumpf wins means one step closer to moving to Denmark.

[spoiler]Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate[/spoiler]
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#342
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liasDonald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156697871260725&id=153080620724&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FDonaldTrump%2Fvideos%2F10156697871260725%2F

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/27/donald-trump-protester-kkk-shirt.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/

???

[quote=lias]Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate[/quote]

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156697871260725&id=153080620724&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FDonaldTrump%2Fvideos%2F10156697871260725%2F

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/02/27/donald-trump-protester-kkk-shirt.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/

???
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sheepy_dogs_handhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

Top video explaining the issue of Muslims from high risk areas. inb4 "SHEEPY HATES MUSLIMS!!!"

holy fuck this video is eye-opening

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

Top video explaining the issue of Muslims from high risk areas. inb4 "SHEEPY HATES MUSLIMS!!!"[/quote]

holy fuck this video is eye-opening
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#344
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liasWelp, every primary that Drumpf wins means one step closer to moving to Denmark.

hows denmark? i was thinking about canada

[quote=lias]Welp, every primary that Drumpf wins means one step closer to moving to Denmark.[/quote]


hows denmark? i was thinking about canada
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#345
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trippaliasDonald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156697871260725&id=153080620724&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FDonaldTrump%2Fvideos%2F10156697871260725%2F

???

Yeah he had a "bad earpiece," that's believable. Even racists know that they can't be racist in public. Donald is playing this so perfectly, he does this so that racists are like "yep this is our guy" and then he comes out the next day and then blames it on a bad earpiece which I'm sure his idiotic support group will believe.

[quote=trippa][quote=lias]Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate[/quote]

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156697871260725&id=153080620724&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2FDonaldTrump%2Fvideos%2F10156697871260725%2F

???[/quote]
Yeah he had a "bad earpiece," that's believable. Even racists know that they can't be racist in public. Donald is playing this so perfectly, he does this so that racists are like "yep this is our guy" and then he comes out the next day and then blames it on a bad earpiece which I'm sure his idiotic support group will believe.
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liasDonald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate

The way people are trying to shut down trump is plain fucking stupid. Like how a few days a go Trump tweeted a quote from some Italian facist and people jumped on him for posting a nice quote just because some "bad" guy said it. If Hitler said that he likes eggs does that mean everyone who likes eggs supports Hitler? Same with this KKK guy, I don't see why he should have to react because some guy in the KKK said that people should vote for him. People are acting like this means he supports the KKK. I don't even care about Trumps politics I just wanna see him win to spite these people.

[quote=lias]
Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate[/quote]

The way people are trying to shut down trump is plain fucking stupid. Like how a few days a go Trump tweeted a quote from some Italian facist and people jumped on him for posting a nice quote just because some "bad" guy said it. If Hitler said that he likes eggs does that mean everyone who likes eggs supports Hitler? Same with this KKK guy, I don't see why he should have to react because some guy in the KKK said that people should vote for him. People are acting like this means he supports the KKK. I don't even care about Trumps politics I just wanna see him win to spite these people.
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#347
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If you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.

If you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.
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#348
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how many europeans are discussing us politics?

how many europeans are discussing us politics?
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#349
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quintoshhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQquintoshgood, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better

I'm sure you do that as well, as an eternally angry furry, you need to soothe yourself by a narrative brought by a comedian, on a show owned by Time Warner, who's current CEO Jeff Bewkes personally donated to Rubio http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/?q=bewkes&cx=010677907462955562473%3Anlldkv0jvam&cof=FORID%3A11 and who's multinational, Time Warner bankrolled the democrats http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/media-political-donations-democrats_n_1855502.html. So you take a media show as your source of facts and call others ignorant? Krankzinnig.

liasIf you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pls6pnaVxrA

yea, he seems very supportive of this protestor who alludes to it.

I think it's funny to me, that euros can show themselves as so dumb while gloating they are so much smarter than Americans, don't be fooled a lot of Germans and other Europeans are fiercely anti-American, so they will develop delusions like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism

as you can see on the poll the BBC did in 2014, Germany is in the presence of other great nations like Pakistan, China and Russia in their Anti-Americanism with 57% Unfavourable rating. That's what you get USA for protecting them against the USSR for 50 years.

[quote=quintosh]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/quote]

[quote=quintosh]good, then move on and ignore the facts, whatever makes you feel better[/quote]

I'm sure you do that as well, as an eternally angry furry, you need to soothe yourself by a narrative brought by a comedian, on a show owned by Time Warner, who's current CEO Jeff Bewkes personally donated to Rubio http://www.opensecrets.org/usearch/?q=bewkes&cx=010677907462955562473%3Anlldkv0jvam&cof=FORID%3A11 and who's multinational, Time Warner bankrolled the democrats http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/media-political-donations-democrats_n_1855502.html. So you take a media show as your source of facts and call others ignorant? Krankzinnig.

[quote=lias]If you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pls6pnaVxrA

yea, he seems very supportive of this protestor who alludes to it.

I think it's funny to me, that euros can show themselves as so dumb while gloating they are so much smarter than Americans, don't be fooled a lot of Germans and other Europeans are fiercely anti-American, so they will develop delusions like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism

as you can see on the poll the BBC did in 2014, Germany is in the presence of other great nations like Pakistan, China and Russia in their Anti-Americanism with 57% Unfavourable rating. That's what you get USA for protecting them against the USSR for 50 years.
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#350
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liasIf you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.

I don't understand this statement. Just because a shitty shitty group of people support trump doesn't mean that genuinely good people shouldn't. It's totally irrelevant. If you want to use the KKK card, the Clintons' relationship with Robert Byrd (a former KKK LEADER) is far more condemning.

[quote=lias]If you support a candidate that is backed by a group of white supremacists, you should probably reconsider who you are voting for.[/quote]

I don't understand this statement. Just because a shitty shitty group of people support trump doesn't mean that genuinely good people shouldn't. It's totally irrelevant. If you want to use the KKK card, the Clintons' relationship with Robert Byrd (a former KKK LEADER) is far more condemning.
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#351
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https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's the group of people you stand with.

https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's the group of people you stand with.
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#352
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flyyyyhow many europeans are discussing us politics?

I'm American, not Danish, though I wish I was. Trippa is also American, I can only assume that he has an Italian flag because he supports Mussolini.

[quote=flyyyy]how many europeans are discussing us politics?[/quote]

I'm American, not Danish, though I wish I was. Trippa is also American, I can only assume that he has an Italian flag because he supports Mussolini.
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musmausratonsourismyshhttps://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's who you're voting for.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/16/where-did-all-the-money-shaun-king-raised-for-black-lives-go.html

they would have yelled at him, black or white, what's way worse is guild tripping people to give money for a cause and then line your own pockets.

[quote=musmausratonsourismysh]https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's who you're voting for.[/quote]
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/16/where-did-all-the-money-shaun-king-raised-for-black-lives-go.html

they would have yelled at him, black or white, what's way worse is guild tripping people to give money for a cause and then line your own pockets.
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Realistically, I can't see Trump winning the Presidential election, especially against Clinton. Clinton's moderate views may have turned off several of the left-wing demographic who supported Sanders during the Democrat primaries, but come November, there's no chance in hell the Sanders supporters will vote Republican, let alone Trump, and unless they waste their vote on a third-party, their votes will be going to Clinton. The moderates will be turned off by Trump's extremist views, which will further solidify Clinton's route to the White House. To add to this, a few Republicans are repulsed with the idea of Trump becoming President, which could easily see votes flow away from the Republican and into the Democrats favour. This isn't a large percentage of course, but these aren't just votes disappearing from the GOP, these are votes reappearing on the other side of the fence, which has twice the impact.

Trump will earn votes from the die-hard Republicans, even those currently backing other candidates and will secure common strongholds within the Republican dominated states, but will struggle in most other areas. His anti-political rhetoric is attractive to the undecided voter, but ultimately, I can't see enough of them voting Trump to give him the edge over Clinton.

As a side-note, it's so cute seeing Chris Christie attempting to cling onto relevancy. He's trying so hard to be Trump's running mate, it hurts.

Realistically, I can't see Trump winning the Presidential election, especially against Clinton. Clinton's moderate views may have turned off several of the left-wing demographic who supported Sanders during the Democrat primaries, but come November, there's no chance in hell the Sanders supporters will vote Republican, let alone Trump, and unless they waste their vote on a third-party, their votes will be going to Clinton. The moderates will be turned off by Trump's extremist views, which will further solidify Clinton's route to the White House. To add to this, a few Republicans are repulsed with the idea of Trump becoming President, which could easily see votes flow away from the Republican and into the Democrats favour. This isn't a large percentage of course, but these aren't just votes disappearing from the GOP, these are votes reappearing on the other side of the fence, which has twice the impact.

Trump will earn votes from the die-hard Republicans, even those currently backing other candidates and will secure common strongholds within the Republican dominated states, but will struggle in most other areas. His anti-political rhetoric is attractive to the undecided voter, but ultimately, I can't see enough of them voting Trump to give him the edge over Clinton.

As a side-note, it's so cute seeing Chris Christie attempting to cling onto relevancy. He's trying so hard to be Trump's running mate, it hurts.
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musmausratonsourismyshhttps://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's the group of people you stand with.

why are you posting from your alt lias

[quote=musmausratonsourismysh]https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/705010478200717312

People shoving a black protestor out of a Trump while screaming deragatory curses at her. That's the group of people you stand with.[/quote]
why are you posting from your alt lias
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flyyyyhow many europeans are discussing us politics?

Fellow europeans, would you like to change anything in your countries?

[quote=flyyyy]how many europeans are discussing us politics?[/quote]

Fellow europeans, would you like to change anything in your countries?
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honestly bernie's agenda is more edgy and radical then trump's

honestly bernie's agenda is more edgy and radical then trump's
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liasDonald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate

seriously?

[quote=lias]
Donald failing to condemn the support of the KKK pretty much sums him up as a candidate[/quote]

seriously?
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do0mhonestly bernie's agenda is more edgy and radical then trump's

does trump even have an agenda?

[quote=do0m]honestly bernie's agenda is more edgy and radical then trump's[/quote]
does trump even have an agenda?
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Trump is pretty moderate politically to be honest, I would not consider him an extreme conservative

Trump is pretty moderate politically to be honest, I would not consider him an extreme conservative
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