its easy to watch someone for 8 hours. its hard to do it for 24 hours without sleeping and keep it up for years and years

saying hats ruined the game's performance is a bit wrong since it has less to do with hats and more to do with entities, which hats happen to be. We've seen entity bloat in other areas though, with added weapons, taunts, and action items, which together add just as many entities per player as 3 hats does.

Also hats and hat gamers are the only reason this game is still alive. Anyone who started playing after 2009 wouldn't be here if valve hadn't monetized the game because tf2 would have a per mill of its player base if valve hadn't maintained it.

"The number of children who ingest laundry detergent packets in Alabama is on the rise"

cuck becoming a meme again is the worst part of the trump candidacy

my root point was

meaning:
the kind of person who ends up in a circlejerk of the TF2 community is also the kind of person who'll stick around longer and therefore get better at the game. I never said circlejerking was the best way to get into invite, I said that a player who circlejerks is more likely to get into invite than one who doesn't.

I was kind of upset you were taking me seriously earlier but now I don't feel bad because you really misunderstood what I was saying.

This entire chain started because someone said "Everyone in invite doesn't know everyone in invite because tf2 is a circlejerk community that doesn't let anyone in, everyone in invite knows everyone in invite because this game's competitive community has consisted of the same handful of players for 9 years" and I pointed out that the kind of person who wouldn't fit into the TF2 community wouldn't stick around long enough to make it to Invite, so you wouldn't see many out-of-circlejerk invite players. The result is that everyone in invite knows each other because the people who didn't get to know the invite players didn't make it to invite because of half a dozen reasons.

I don't think circlejerks are all that necessary to improve, but playing this game if you don't get along with anyone in the community is gonna make you bitter af and odds are you won't enjoy it enough to actually get to invite. That makes it different from Elo Hell because there's a direct cause between the player and the position (being shit and being stuck), whereas being circlejerkless is more of a correlation between lack of friends and lack of opportunity. Without changing your personality, there's no real way to practice your way into a high value friendship.

being able to name players "who fit under "not in a circle jerk who made it to invite." " doesn't mean being in a circlejerk isn't an advantage, it just means that getting better at the game is a good way to get into invite. It doesn't really defeat the point that a fair portion of people get into invite based on friendships nor does it dispel the idea that being in a circlejerk is a good way to improve at tf2

You're trying to fight anecdotes with more anecdotes.

i dont want to spend time playing a game i dont find fun? Not everyone is playing tf2 to improve or be the best. I played open for a while and realized the effort to improve was too much for me :(

idk how this chain went from me being upvoted and having invite players say the same thing as me and then me being downvoted :(

sorry 4 using my phone to talk to internet virgins on the video game forum :(

i'll proofread my shitposts in advance to make sure the mistakes are consistent

u forgot the part where i didnt use any punctuation or capitalization

like it must be tough going through life with brain damage

*you're

and its not my fault people can't accept that sometimes things other than pure hard work and training is the reason they succeed :)

i havent played this game in a year but gj trying to find a way to tell me im wrong that doesnt actually involve thinking about what I said ;)

i had too unpopular of an opinion

well considering the average tf2 player lacks all social contact explaining that pretty much anything that is based on a community is going to favor those with an ability to work with other people

sorry that you're too retarded to udnerstand things tho

gj retard u also managed to get cause and effect of what i was saying backwards

"I don't like your argument so its not a real argument"

ok

u did say
"tf2 being a circle jerk is so utterly unremarkable that I can't see why you would have bothered to write about it in this thread."
tho