"I don't like your argument so its not a real argument"

ok

u did say
"tf2 being a circle jerk is so utterly unremarkable that I can't see why you would have bothered to write about it in this thread."
tho

I provided a pretty reasonable argument and yr nerdlogic was "lol no one was even talking about that"

i dont really know how to communicate with someone who can't follow a conversation over 3 pages tbh

yeah u actually are disabled wow

Its not "circlejerk" its "community" and I wrote about it because people were pretending that being friends with people isn't an important part of being in Invite

serious question do u have down syndrome because yr inability to actually use yr eyes to read text seems debilitating

>What do you mean by independent? Tf2 is a team game. To make it into invite, you need a team of 6 people who are better at tf2 than the teams they play against in open and IM and nothing else.

so then you'd agree that a player needs other players to improve correct? This would mean players who are more popular will have more opportunities to improve faster

>Implying that if you are not 18-22, not awkward, or not white, you have a smaller chance of finding a team? Proof?

Unless girls and old people just dont play TF2, the fact that there's only a handful of them in the 6s community seems odd. This could just be selection bias or smthn because older players can't commit to a team

>this does not make tf2 a circlejerk community

it does by definition actually. You can argue the degree, but until a player can make it into invite without speaking to other players or interacting with others, the game will always favor people who are more personable.

The types of people who play TF2 are pretty limited idk what you're talking about. Slightly awkward 18-22 year old white guys make up a good 80-90% of the playerbase. Most people here are computer literate, laugh at ironic internet culture, and have a consistent sense of humor. If you enjoy TF2 but don't like memes, anime, or trannies you're not going to fit in well at all.

Unless you're going to argue that the only way to make it into invite is 100% independent work, you're gonna have to admit that the culture of the TF2 community is at least somewhat self-selective when it comes to who it chooses to support

i dont think u understood what I was saying so:

player A fits in well with the TF2 community while player B does not

Player A finds it easy to join teams based on his personality. He sits in mumble with his friends all day, many of whom are better at TF2. Playing casually with them and having access to their network means he'll improve much faster than Player B. Player B could be good at the game with enough dedication and practice, but he'd need to work a lot harder than someone who manages to fit in.

In a small community like this one, you can quickly end up with a small variety of "acceptable" personalities, where a certain percentage of the player base that'd otherwise be decent players lacks the network to get better and entrench themselves in the community. Because they never take hold, they never start their own circlejerk and as a result that personality type continues to have trouble getting "in".

positive feedback loop, self fulfilling prophecy, w/e u want to call it, with a limited number of people you're eventually going to see any community cull itself down into a few dominant personality types

any publicity is good publicity if your goal is brand recognition. I have no idea how esports sponsors make money since they don't really sell anything; but if the #1 deciding factor in your income is being known, then being known as the worst team in CS is still doing something

my point wasn't that good players are being unnoticed, it was players who could've been good didn't ever become anything more than open because they didn't have any friends to play with or push them. If that was the case, invite would become a positive feedback loop where 80 or 90 people decide who becomes good at tf2 based solely on personality. People who make it to midopen without getting absorbed into a circlejerk will have a harder time finding a team and will have a harder time practicing or getting feedback

what about the people in open/IM who could've been invite level in a year but never meshed into the circlejerks very well and dropped the game? Maybe you have the causality backwards and the only people who stick around long enough to make it to invite are people who have friends in invite

u can get into IM even if only 5 people like u flatline

the game is less fun in open than UGC because it becomes a stalemate simulator until your team gets good enough to actually push on advantages :)

The Army has a pretty good healthcare plan compared to what the vast majority of Americans get, its free for the most part and the deductible is only like $200. Combined with dental, vision, and the other benefits you get as a soldier the army is actually an insanely well paying job. You get ~$70k+ in benefits right out of high school and since you're not paying for housing, healthcare, transport, education, or anything you end up pocketing most of your salary. IDK how it is in other countries but the backlist to get into the military here is long for a reason

maybe they should do what the US does and make joining the Army something worth doing? Soldiers here get hella benefits

tho I guess other countries don't consider basic human rights like healthcare benefits but w/e

finished with the second highest grade in an introductory bio class but still made a low B

doctors in this city are scary af