shorasOkiePonyThey're also playing TF2, in ETF2L high - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.
They won fair and square and it was fun to watch because someone beat the top seeded team relatively unexpectedly with something new, it's not as if it was lol lemmings tilt fest 2k16 XD it was legitimate good play. If you want examples I'll provide.
[quote=shoras][quote=OkiePony]They're also playing [i]TF2, in ETF2L high[/i] - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.[/quote]
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.[/quote]
They won fair and square and it was fun to watch because someone beat the top seeded team relatively unexpectedly with something new, it's not as if it was lol lemmings tilt fest 2k16 XD it was legitimate good play. If you want examples I'll provide.
tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Hildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tell
[quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tell
DollyHildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tell
OkiePony is Kissa's mom
[quote=Dolly][quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tell[/quote]
OkiePony is Kissa's mom
Hildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?
[quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?
GentlemanJonbubblebobblerScrambledI think the big thing that a lot of people are missing here, is that lowpander are playing for fun. It's not like muuki isn't a perfectly capable soldier or anything.
and unless people think highpander are sandbagging (which is a fair thing to think I guess, it's not like they knew they'd be capable for prem with a full time offclasser at the start of the season though imo), it's not like they're 'griefing'. They still played seriously and came up with strats for a particular style
I dunno though I still think hildreth got carried
Pretty sure given the current state of the game that's a prem team (easy to say now obviously...), running some offclasses versus the roamer isn't that big a handicap. Probably wouldn't have worked out a year ago
One year ago these unlocks were not allowed that strengthen classes like Heavy/Engineer, so it would not have worked as well. I remember when Mini sentries got banned because Schocky started using them in 6's on certain maps for ButtonBashers back in like Season 8 or 9 or something, rather than learn to play with it then all the Prem players got tilted and pressured admin team to ban it. No doubt this may happen again, but you really take away from the game doing this, I think maybe the unpopular lesson here is to accept the metagame can change and there is more viability to run certain strategies around "off-classes" thanks to the whitlelist strengthening certain classes. I am sure teams will learn to counter us better, but we will learn to counter their counters.
For the record the top teams would have beaten us one year ago even if we ran a roamer, because you know, they're THE BEST teams with THE BEST players. If we play Crowns pre-game for their Grand Final warmup (this is an invitation to pcw us btw) they will most likely stuff us 5-0 like they have a lot of teams, whether we ran a Roamer or a Flex.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=bubblebobbler][quote=Scrambled]I think the big thing that a lot of people are missing here, is that lowpander are playing for [b]fun[/b]. It's not like muuki isn't a perfectly capable soldier or anything.[/quote]
and unless people think highpander are sandbagging (which is a fair thing to think I guess, it's not like they knew they'd be capable for prem with a full time offclasser at the start of the season though imo), it's not like they're 'griefing'. They still played seriously and came up with strats for a particular style
I dunno though I still think hildreth got carried[/quote]
Pretty sure given the current state of the game that's a prem team (easy to say now obviously...), running some offclasses versus the roamer isn't that big a handicap. Probably wouldn't have worked out a year ago[/quote]
One year ago these unlocks were not allowed that strengthen classes like Heavy/Engineer, so it would not have worked as well. I remember when Mini sentries got banned because Schocky started using them in 6's on certain maps for ButtonBashers back in like Season 8 or 9 or something, rather than learn to play with it then all the Prem players got tilted and pressured admin team to ban it. No doubt this may happen again, but you really take away from the game doing this, I think maybe the [b]unpopular [/b]lesson here is to accept the metagame can change and there is more viability to run certain strategies around "off-classes" thanks to the whitlelist strengthening certain classes. I am sure teams will learn to counter us better, but we will learn to counter their counters.
For the record the top teams would have beaten us one year ago even if we ran a roamer, because you know, they're THE BEST teams with THE BEST players. If we play Crowns pre-game for their Grand Final warmup (this is an invitation to pcw us btw) they will most likely stuff us 5-0 like they have a lot of teams, whether we ran a Roamer or a Flex.
damneasyHildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)
[quote=damneasy][quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?[/quote]
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)
HildrethdamneasyHildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)
I said i will stop because im going to get triggered soon, you triggered me so i posted anyway
[quote=Hildreth][quote=damneasy][quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?[/quote]
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)[/quote]
I said i will stop because im going to get triggered soon, you triggered me so i posted anyway
bubblebobblerrunning a flex is good for the meme value tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOy6Mia6eH0
best fragvid i've seen this year IMO
And congrats to lowpander, see you at Gamers Assembly Hildreth ;)
[quote=bubblebobbler]running a flex is good for the meme value tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOy6Mia6eH0[/quote]
best fragvid i've seen this year IMO
And congrats to lowpander, see you at Gamers Assembly Hildreth ;)
damneasyScrambledIf the heavy or the engie held with a bit of distance and highground, 1 scout and solly wouldn't win that, because the heavy and engie do more damage at range.
I mean sure, if he holds agro on his own like a retard he'll die.
Hmm, solly who can shoot around the corner and hit 80 damage shots on heavy, while the heavy just sits there doing 5 damage every 2 seconds to the solly? Yeah seems like heavy would win that xD, or let me just run behind as scout while you do 30 damage to me because you are too far away to stop me....
im stopping here because im going to get triggered soon :D
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
[quote=damneasy][quote=Scrambled]
If the heavy or the engie held with a bit of distance and highground, 1 scout and solly wouldn't win that, because the heavy and engie do more damage at range.
I mean sure, if he holds agro on his own like a retard he'll die.[/quote]
Hmm, solly who can shoot around the corner and hit 80 damage shots on heavy, while the heavy just sits there doing 5 damage every 2 seconds to the solly? Yeah seems like heavy would win that xD, or let me just run behind as scout while you do 30 damage to me because you are too far away to stop me....
im stopping here because im going to get triggered soon :D[/quote]
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
ScrambledIf a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 (depends on how far but usually its around 80) damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??
[quote=Scrambled]
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.[/quote]
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 (depends on how far but usually its around 80) damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??
damneasyScrambledIf a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S
[quote=damneasy][quote=Scrambled]
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.[/quote]
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??[/quote]
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S
ScrambleddamneasyScrambledIf a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S
Yeah maybe in highlander where they cant hit shit :D
[quote=Scrambled][quote=damneasy][quote=Scrambled]
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.[/quote]
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??[/quote]
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S[/quote]
Yeah maybe in highlander where they cant hit shit :D
damneasyScrambleddamneasyScrambledIf a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S
Yeah maybe in highlander where they cant hit shit :D
I don't think you understand, spam rockets at range are very easy to dodge in team fortress 2.
[quote=damneasy][quote=Scrambled][quote=damneasy][quote=Scrambled]
If a heavy is holding that close to a corner that a soldier can peak and get any damage on, never mind 80 damage rockets, he's retarded.[/quote]
What? No heavy is standing far away, you can still do 80 damage rockets to them lol I thought you were a heavy main??[/quote]
You can move while spun up to the point of avoiding pipes and rockets you know, idk how much you play heavy :S[/quote]
Yeah maybe in highlander where they cant hit shit :D[/quote]
I don't think you understand, spam rockets at range are very easy to dodge in team fortress 2.
Ok we are discussing this on steam, we were both right I guess in some situations you can spam for 80 damage but in some you cant :D
Ok we are discussing this on steam, we were both right I guess in some situations you can spam for 80 damage but in some you cant :D
DollyshorasOkiePonyThey're also playing TF2, in ETF2L high - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.
They won fair and square and it was fun to watch because someone beat the top seeded team relatively unexpectedly with something new, it's not as if it was lol lemmings tilt fest 2k16 XD it was legitimate good play. If you want examples I'll provide.
You're saying as if they won because of muuki.
[quote=Dolly][quote=shoras][quote=OkiePony]They're also playing [i]TF2, in ETF2L high[/i] - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.[/quote]
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.[/quote]
They won fair and square and it was fun to watch because someone beat the top seeded team relatively unexpectedly with something new, it's not as if it was lol lemmings tilt fest 2k16 XD it was legitimate good play. If you want examples I'll provide.[/quote]
You're saying as if they won [i]because of[/i] muuki.
if y'alls argument was just "lowpander had fun playing with a flex and they won high anyways so why are you complaining" that's perfectly valid
but to conflate that with "having a flex instead of a roamer is just as good" or even "flex is the new meta, better than roamer" is ridiculous
people who are trying to tell you the latter two statements are inaccurate because it's high and not prem and because of players like uubers and mr. epic are being treated as if they hate fun or think there was some sort of luck involved with winning high, but that's not it at all
I have no skin in this game but I hate poor argumentation
if y'alls argument was just "lowpander had fun playing with a flex and they won high anyways so why are you complaining" that's perfectly valid
but to conflate that with "having a flex instead of a roamer is just as good" or even "flex is the new meta, better than roamer" is ridiculous
people who are trying to tell you the latter two statements are inaccurate because it's high and not prem and because of players like uubers and mr. epic are being treated as if they hate fun or think there was some sort of luck involved with winning high, but that's not it at all
I have no skin in this game but I hate poor argumentation
mustardoverlord
I have no skin in this game but I hate poor argumentation
you must hate yourself a lot then
[quote=mustardoverlord]
I have no skin in this game but I hate poor argumentation[/quote]
you must hate yourself a lot then
damneasyHildrethdamneasyHildrethtfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)
I said i will stop because im going to get triggered soon, you triggered me so i posted anyway
That in turn sums up how we won High, superior mental game.
[quote=damneasy][quote=Hildreth][quote=damneasy][quote=Hildreth]tfw when Kissa's mum knows more about how TF2 works than all of the TF2 Prem players :>[/quote]
Tfw your only argument is "lol prem players dont know tf2", where the fuck is ur argument that im wrong?[/quote]
I thought you were too triggered to post? Kissa's mum articulated my thoughts perfectly. :)[/quote]
I said i will stop because im going to get triggered soon, you triggered me so i posted anyway[/quote]
That in turn sums up how we won High, superior mental game.
saamHildrethMost viable strat is suicide, cos then you don't have to play this shit game anymore
LUL
Get triggered TFTV nerds.
didnt u peak at playing on a highlander team with stabby stabby
move along boys
[quote=saam][quote=Hildreth]Most viable strat is suicide, cos then you don't have to play this shit game anymore
LUL
Get triggered TFTV nerds.[/quote]
didnt u peak at playing on a highlander team with stabby stabby[/quote]
move along boys
shorasOkiePonyThey're also playing TF2, in ETF2L high - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.
You surely realize this goes deep in the territory of 'personal opinions", and not everyone feels the same way about either one of those points.
For me - yeah, playing against engi is part of the game, and brings its own challenge. I *love* taking down sentries, for example.
Second - yeah, watching Muuki's engi plays is highly entertaining - his gunslinger play where he took out the combo was awesome!
But, like I said, we all have different opinions about it.
Now, for the other question if it's better or worse to have roamer vs. flex?
It's neither. It's just different, and it brings its own spice to the game.
I would still bite my fingernails off watching the games, flex or roamer, but I do get more laughs out of the surprising flex plays, and I imagine those plays also give extra fuel to Lowpander players when they're successful :)
[quote=shoras][quote=OkiePony]They're also playing [i]TF2, in ETF2L high[/i] - not Dota2 in TI6. It *should* be fun and entertaining, not serious, blood thirsty grinding, for the players as well as the spectators.[/quote]
Yeah as if playing against engi is fun and watching this is actually entertaining.[/quote]
You surely realize this goes deep in the territory of 'personal opinions", and not everyone feels the same way about either one of those points.
For me - yeah, playing against engi is part of the game, and brings its own challenge. I *love* taking down sentries, for example.
Second - yeah, watching Muuki's engi plays is highly entertaining - his gunslinger play where he took out the combo was awesome!
But, like I said, we all have different opinions about it.
Now, for the other question if it's better or worse to have roamer vs. flex?
It's neither. It's just [i]different[/i], and it brings its own spice to the game.
I would still bite my fingernails off watching the games, flex or roamer, but I do get more laughs out of the surprising flex plays, and I imagine those plays also give extra fuel to Lowpander players when they're successful :)
god bless the global whitelist
god bless the global whitelist
You know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect
edit: ok this just sounds cocky sorry for saying this
You know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect
edit: ok this just sounds cocky sorry for saying this
damneasyYou know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect
I respect you as a player, you're very good but you're talking absolute bollocks mate and I don't really care about gaining respect from random people I don't know. I only post here now to trigger Americans and get downfrags, keeps me entertained on a Friday night.
[quote=damneasy]You know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect[/quote]
I respect you as a player, you're very good but you're talking absolute bollocks mate and I don't really care about gaining respect from random people I don't know. I only post here now to trigger Americans and get downfrags, keeps me entertained on a Friday night.
damneasyYou know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect
lmao who the fuck cares
can everyone stop being a degenerate now and say something that's actually not retarded
[quote=damneasy]You know I had some respect for you Hildreth, I think ur team did great.
You lost that respect[/quote]
lmao who the fuck cares
can everyone stop being a degenerate now and say something that's actually not retarded
Im the only one saying valid arguments all you are saying is trashtalk lol
Im the only one saying valid arguments all you are saying is trashtalk lol
Blithewhat is "flex"?
ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ FLEX ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ
also a buzzword for someone swapping between multiple classes for different situations. muuki plays 'flex' instead of roamer, and generally plays engi/spy/sniper/heavy/pyro
[quote=Blithe]what is "flex"?[/quote]
ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ FLEX ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ
also a buzzword for someone swapping between multiple classes for different situations. muuki plays 'flex' instead of roamer, and generally plays engi/spy/sniper/heavy/pyro