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120hz vs 140hz at 120fps
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Hey I have a question regarding 120+hz monitors as im currently shopping for one.
I am aware that there is a monitor thread but Im not actually looking for a specific 120 or 144 monitor.
Knowing I have no problem playing at 120fps at every game I currently play (And that I really like to keep 120 FPS in every game), Should I get a 120 HZ or a 144HZ?
Would it "playback" better at 120hz since I cap at 120 fps?
Also would It be harder for my computer since im upgrading from 60 to 120 or 144hz?

Thanks!

Hey I have a question regarding 120+hz monitors as im currently shopping for one.
I am aware that there is a monitor thread but Im not actually looking for a specific 120 or 144 monitor.
Knowing I have no problem playing at 120fps at every game I currently play (And that I really like to keep 120 FPS in every game), Should I get a 120 HZ or a 144HZ?
Would it "playback" better at 120hz since I cap at 120 fps?
Also would It be harder for my computer since im upgrading from 60 to 120 or 144hz?

Thanks!
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newbie.tf
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24 difference when you have 3 digit FPS is not a huge deal. Save your money, gamer.

24 difference when you have 3 digit FPS is not a huge deal. Save your money, gamer.
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roody buys single songs for $1000, money is of no concern

roody buys single songs for $1000, money is of no concern
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just don't cap at 120 fps
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144hz but you can set 144hz monitors to 120hz if you want

edited for clarity

just don't cap at 120 fps
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144hz but you can set 144hz monitors to 120hz if you want

edited for clarity
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phrax120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better

[quote=phrax]
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144[/quote]

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better
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144 hz > 120 hz usually. In your situation you're only getting 120 FPS so unless you plan on getting a new pc/uncapping your fps(?) soon you might aswell buy a 120 hz monitor as kevin said your fps is so low that the 24 difference isn't a big deal.

144 hz > 120 hz usually. In your situation you're only getting 120 FPS so unless you plan on getting a new pc/uncapping your fps(?) soon you might aswell buy a 120 hz monitor as kevin said your fps is so low that the 24 difference isn't a big deal.
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I notice a difference on 144hz vs 120hz

I notice a difference on 144hz vs 120hz
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deetrphrax120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144
this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing

[quote=deetr][quote=phrax]
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144[/quote]

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better[/quote]

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing
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newbie.tf
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I misread the question. I thought it was asking if he should upgrade from 120hz to 144hz. If you are currently on a 60hz monitor and want to upgrade, definitely go for the 144hz.

I misread the question. I thought it was asking if he should upgrade from 120hz to 144hz. If you are currently on a 60hz monitor and want to upgrade, definitely go for the 144hz.
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Shiftadeetrphrax120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144
this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing

If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive

[quote=Shifta][quote=deetr][quote=phrax]
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144[/quote]

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better[/quote]

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing[/quote]
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive
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bearodactylShiftadeetrphrax120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144
this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive

I'd think so but from empirical testing 120fps looks noticeably worse at 144hz than at 120hz

[quote=bearodactyl][quote=Shifta][quote=deetr][quote=phrax]
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144[/quote]

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better[/quote]

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing[/quote]
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive[/quote]

I'd think so but from empirical testing 120fps looks noticeably worse at 144hz than at 120hz
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phraxbearodactylShiftadeetrphrax120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144
this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive

I'd think so but from empirical testing 120fps looks noticeably worse at 144hz than at 120hz

Yeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.

[quote=phrax][quote=bearodactyl][quote=Shifta][quote=deetr][quote=phrax]
120 fps does look better on 120hz than 144[/quote]

this is objectively wrong, unless your eyes are fucked up a higher framerate will always look and respond better[/quote]

120 fps is 120 fps regardless of your refresh rate

more hz is just gonna give tearing[/quote]
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive[/quote]

I'd think so but from empirical testing 120fps looks noticeably worse at 144hz than at 120hz[/quote]

Yeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.
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#1
You can set a 144Hz monitor to 120Hz.
Getting a monitor that can do 120Hz but not 144Hz will be difficult.
Behold: 120Hz monitors
How many of those are available? A grand total of ZERO.
>=144Hz monitors
How many are available? All except 3 that have been replaced by newer models and the monoprice one.

To the rest:
Have you ever played with 50fps on 60Hz?
120fps on 144Hz is the same. So yes, if you can't get 144fps you shouldn't use 144Hz. If you can get >=144fps and use 144Hz then capping to 120fps is just plain stupid.

#1
You can set a 144Hz monitor to 120Hz.
Getting a monitor that can do 120Hz but not 144Hz will be difficult.
Behold: [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#H=120&sort=a8&page=1]120Hz monitors
[/url]How many of those are available? A grand total of [b]ZERO[/b].
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#H=144,240&sort=a8&page=1]>=144Hz monitors[/url]
How many are available? All except 3 that have been replaced by newer models and the monoprice one.

To the rest:
Have you ever played with 50fps on 60Hz?
120fps on 144Hz is the same. So yes, if you can't get 144fps you shouldn't use 144Hz. If you can get >=144fps and use 144Hz then capping to 120fps is just plain stupid.
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deetrYeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.

response time is not determined by refresh rate. If you're talking about the time it takes to display a frame, the difference is <2ms at most, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about?

[quote=deetr]
Yeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.[/quote]

response time is not determined by refresh rate. If you're talking about the time it takes to display a frame, the difference is <2ms at most, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about?
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ShiftadeetrYeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.
response time is not determined by refresh rate. If you're talking about the time it takes to display a frame, the difference is <2ms at most, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about?

Yeah that 2ms is what I'm talking about

[quote=Shifta][quote=deetr]
Yeah but it is more responsive objectively. Whether you care more about the tearing than the few ms of better response time is subjective.[/quote]

response time is not determined by refresh rate. If you're talking about the time it takes to display a frame, the difference is <2ms at most, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about?[/quote]

Yeah that 2ms is what I'm talking about
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deetr, 120fps at 144Hz is objectively a worse experience than 120fps at 120Hz, because frames are being duplicated which causes stutter. There is no true upside as any slight input lag reduction is completely nullified by duplicated frames.

Of course, you could always just get 144fps and them have a better experience.

deetr, 120fps at 144Hz is objectively a worse experience than 120fps at 120Hz, because frames are being duplicated which causes stutter. There is no true upside as any slight input lag reduction is completely nullified by duplicated frames.

Of course, you could always just get 144fps and them have a better experience.
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you should not cap your fps in tf2, gives some nasty input lag (for me atleast)

you should not cap your fps in tf2, gives some nasty input lag (for me atleast)
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Capping your FPS does help. Wildly fluctuating frame rates both above and below your refresh rate will throw off all your timing for projectiles.

Capping your FPS does help. Wildly fluctuating frame rates both above and below your refresh rate will throw off all your timing for projectiles.
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Setsul#1
You can set a 144Hz monitor to 120Hz.
Getting a monitor that can do 120Hz but not 144Hz will be difficult.
Behold: 120Hz monitors
How many of those are available? A grand total of ZERO.
>=144Hz monitors
How many are available? All except 3 that have been replaced by newer models and the monoprice one.

To add to this most 120Hz monitors (where 120Hz is the highest refresh rate) are a bit old, and don't have nearly as good color quality and/or gtg response times.

[quote=Setsul]#1
You can set a 144Hz monitor to 120Hz.
Getting a monitor that can do 120Hz but not 144Hz will be difficult.
Behold: [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#H=120&sort=a8&page=1]120Hz monitors
[/url]How many of those are available? A grand total of [b]ZERO[/b].
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/monitor/#H=144,240&sort=a8&page=1]>=144Hz monitors[/url]
How many are available? All except 3 that have been replaced by newer models and the monoprice one.
[/quote]

To add to this most 120Hz monitors (where 120Hz is the highest refresh rate) are a bit old, and don't have nearly as good color quality and/or gtg response times.
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Thanks for all the replies, I will probally get a new 144 HZ that has 120hz setting, I will also look into the tf.tv monitor thread to guide me!

Thanks for all the replies, I will probally get a new 144 HZ that has 120hz setting, I will also look into the tf.tv monitor thread to guide me!
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bearodactylIf I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive

quicker? 120hz means a refresh every 8,3r ms, 144hz means a refresh every 6,94r ms. Now 8,3r - 6,94r = 1,38r ms, my question is, how can it be quicker if it doesn't receive anything to refresh for? it'll refresh 24 frames of nothing new. So if you use a certain Refresh Frequency, you need to have at least the same amount of FPS, in order to see differences, doesn't matter if you have more, it'll be capped at 144 (in case of 144hz monitor), this is how theoretically works, but if you use a 60hz and put 60fps cap, and then switch to 100 for example, you'll notice something is different, that's probably related to how the game works, and to other stuff, so basically it's always better to have a certain FPS amount above the monitor's max frequency, in order to be sure you're using that refresh rate.

[quote=bearodactyl]
If I'm not mistaken, even on 120fps, each frame is displayed quicker on 144hz so it would make it feel more responsive[/quote]

quicker? 120hz means a refresh every 8,3r ms, 144hz means a refresh every 6,94r ms. Now 8,3r - 6,94r = 1,38r ms, my question is, how can it be quicker if it doesn't receive anything to refresh for? it'll refresh 24 frames of nothing new. So if you use a certain Refresh Frequency, you need to have at least the same amount of FPS, in order to see differences, doesn't matter if you have more, it'll be capped at 144 (in case of 144hz monitor), this is how theoretically works, but if you use a 60hz and put 60fps cap, and then switch to 100 for example, you'll notice something is different, that's probably related to how the game works, and to other stuff, so basically it's always better to have a certain FPS amount above the monitor's max frequency, in order to be sure you're using that refresh rate.
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