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AG Supports CEVO in Expanded League
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#91
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As one of the team leaders that registered in cevo(and a dead team at that) i can't wait to give season 4 another shot.

As one of the team leaders that registered in cevo(and a dead team at that) i can't wait to give season 4 another shot.
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#92
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Please be pay to play CEVO. If people want to play for free they can play in UGC. I don't think anyone would have a problem with a 5 dollar league fee.

Please be pay to play CEVO. If people want to play for free they can play in UGC. I don't think anyone would have a problem with a 5 dollar league fee.
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#93
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You guys are so cheap 15$!

You guys are so cheap 15$!
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#94
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My team will be competing next season. Hope to see you all there!

My team will be competing next season. Hope to see you all there!
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#95
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$15 will still be only about half of what an open player currently plays in esea

$15 will still be only about half of what an open player currently plays in esea
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#96
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~100$ per team is a good start.

~100$ per team is a good start.
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#97
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I fucking love you guys ;_;

I fucking love you guys ;_;
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#98
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YeeegzPlease be pay to play CEVO. If people want to play for free they can play in UGC. I don't think anyone would have a problem with a 5 dollar league fee.

I think this is key. The point is to replace ESEA, and if a free league would cut it, then UGC would probably be alright.

[quote=Yeeegz]Please be pay to play CEVO. If people want to play for free they can play in UGC. I don't think anyone would have a problem with a 5 dollar league fee.[/quote]

I think this is key. The point is to replace ESEA, and if a free league would cut it, then UGC would probably be alright.
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#99
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i hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.

i hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.
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#100
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Cevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.

Cevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.
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#101
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vilei hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.

Even if everyone moved to Cevo, you still wouldn't be able to say that :P

[quote=vile]i hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.[/quote]

Even if everyone moved to Cevo, you still wouldn't be able to say that :P
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#102
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StPatrickCevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.

Yes, but the only other ways are sponsorships and donations. We've established that TF2 has few sponsors, and ETF2L's prizes aren't too great with sponsors and donations. I think ETF2L's sponsors just negate the cost of the league, while the donations are what the prizes come from.

[quote=StPatrick]Cevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.[/quote]
Yes, but the only other ways are sponsorships and donations. We've established that TF2 has few sponsors, and ETF2L's prizes aren't too great with sponsors and donations. I think ETF2L's sponsors just negate the cost of the league, while the donations are what the prizes come from.
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#103
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seanbudliterally the only argument for ESEA at this point is LAN. And I don't think it's a very good argument anymore. We are brushing aside some really really shady shit from ESEA over and over. There is drama season after season involving the admins. The community sinks thousands to ship players to Dallas because there are no sponsors. We are playing a VERY steep price just to stay in ESEA because there is a LAN. But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. lpkane will state over and over how much he does not give a fuck about tf2, and the league admins who should care about tf2 are fucking up the invite division over and over with terrible judgement calls. The client causes us to reschedule far too many matches, and doesn't ever catch a hacker, and was apparently doing shit much shadier than any of us imagined until the bitcoin shit was exposed.

If you want a LAN that badly, we can always keep sending our squad(s) to i-series. I like the idea of a LAN final, but we need to fucking move on and maybe one day we can have a LAN that's actually worth going to.

LAN is how we actually get new players into TF2.

[quote=seanbud]literally the only argument for ESEA at this point is LAN. And I don't think it's a very good argument anymore. We are brushing aside some really really shady shit from ESEA over and over. There is drama season after season involving the admins. The community sinks thousands to ship players to Dallas because there are no sponsors. We are playing a VERY steep price just to stay in ESEA because there is a LAN. But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last [img]http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg[/img] LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. lpkane will state over and over how much he does not give a fuck about tf2, and the league admins who should care about tf2 are fucking up the invite division over and over with terrible judgement calls. The client causes us to reschedule far too many matches, and doesn't ever catch a hacker, and was apparently doing shit much shadier than any of us imagined until the bitcoin shit was exposed.

If you want a LAN that badly, we can always keep sending our squad(s) to i-series. I like the idea of a LAN final, but we need to fucking move on and maybe one day we can have a LAN that's actually worth going to.[/quote]
LAN is how we actually get new players into TF2.
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#104
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Just curious, why are you guys encouraging fees so much? I appreciate what Cevo is doing, I just don't understand why you want to force people to throw money at them. If you want to donate, feel free. I'll probably chip in a bit even if I don't play comp next season, I just don't think it should be forced down everyone's throats to pay league fees. Also, if Cevo makes any mistake, no matter how small, there will be people complaining that they had to pay for the season and that mistakes shouldn't happen.
Like I mentioned before (bottom of page 1) there could be an division open to everyone and free to play, and then a more advanced league fee division that has prizes.

Just curious, why are you guys encouraging fees so much? I appreciate what Cevo is doing, I just don't understand why you want to force people to throw money at them. If you want to donate, feel free. I'll probably chip in a bit even if I don't play comp next season, I just don't think it should be forced down everyone's throats to pay league fees. Also, if Cevo makes any mistake, no matter how small, there will be people complaining that they had to pay for the season and that mistakes shouldn't happen.
Like I mentioned before (bottom of page 1) there could be an division open to everyone and free to play, and then a more advanced league fee division that has prizes.
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#105
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BurnDLseanbudliterally the only argument for ESEA at this point is LAN. And I don't think it's a very good argument anymore. We are brushing aside some really really shady shit from ESEA over and over. There is drama season after season involving the admins. The community sinks thousands to ship players to Dallas because there are no sponsors. We are playing a VERY steep price just to stay in ESEA because there is a LAN. But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. lpkane will state over and over how much he does not give a fuck about tf2, and the league admins who should care about tf2 are fucking up the invite division over and over with terrible judgement calls. The client causes us to reschedule far too many matches, and doesn't ever catch a hacker, and was apparently doing shit much shadier than any of us imagined until the bitcoin shit was exposed.

If you want a LAN that badly, we can always keep sending our squad(s) to i-series. I like the idea of a LAN final, but we need to fucking move on and maybe one day we can have a LAN that's actually worth going to.
LAN is how we actually get new players into TF2.

The viewers won't notice the difference between ESEA LAN finals and CEVO online finals.

Also: by your logic, ETF2L doesn't exist, since EU TF2 doesn't have a LAN every season which means literally no one is playing.

[quote=BurnDL][quote=seanbud]literally the only argument for ESEA at this point is LAN. And I don't think it's a very good argument anymore. We are brushing aside some really really shady shit from ESEA over and over. There is drama season after season involving the admins. The community sinks thousands to ship players to Dallas because there are no sponsors. We are playing a VERY steep price just to stay in ESEA because there is a LAN. But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last [img]http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg[/img] LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. lpkane will state over and over how much he does not give a fuck about tf2, and the league admins who should care about tf2 are fucking up the invite division over and over with terrible judgement calls. The client causes us to reschedule far too many matches, and doesn't ever catch a hacker, and was apparently doing shit much shadier than any of us imagined until the bitcoin shit was exposed.

If you want a LAN that badly, we can always keep sending our squad(s) to i-series. I like the idea of a LAN final, but we need to fucking move on and maybe one day we can have a LAN that's actually worth going to.[/quote]
LAN is how we actually get new players into TF2.[/quote]
The viewers won't notice the difference between ESEA LAN finals and CEVO online finals.

Also: by your logic, ETF2L doesn't exist, since EU TF2 doesn't have a LAN every season which means literally no one is playing.
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#106
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before cevo even considers league fees, they need to see how season 4 which will (supposedly by all these forum posts contain WAY more players than what there is right now) will pan out. If season 4 of cevo becomes a success and great alternative to esea, then they should consider implementing fees for the next season/s to come. But for now, they don't need fucking league fees.

before cevo even considers league fees, they need to see how season 4 which will (supposedly by all these forum posts contain WAY more players than what there is right now) will pan out. If season 4 of cevo becomes a success and great alternative to esea, then they should consider implementing fees for the next season/s to come. But for now, they don't need fucking league fees.
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#107
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StPatrickCevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.

but it would be cool if they could provide servers and pour some money into web development because the site is kinda bad right now (in addition to having a good prize pot)

[quote=StPatrick]Cevo has historically been a pay to play league, they're probably only free now to entice teams to play. Also having users pay for the league is not the only means of creating a good prize pot.[/quote]
but it would be cool if they could provide servers and pour some money into web development because the site is kinda bad right now (in addition to having a good prize pot)
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#108
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seanbud But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision.

I don't think moving to a different league will make the game more competitive in invite. P sure the same 2-3 teams will win invite over and over again because they're just the best.

[quote=seanbud] But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last [img]http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg[/img] LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. [/quote]

I don't think moving to a different league will make the game more competitive in invite. P sure the same 2-3 teams will win invite over and over again because they're just the best.
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#109
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I think his argument was that not having a LAN doesn't really matter. He didn't say it would be more competitive.

I think his argument was that not having a LAN doesn't really matter. He didn't say it would be more competitive.
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#110
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we need a salary cap in tf2

we need a salary cap in tf2
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#111
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Fzerovilei hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.
Even if everyone moved to Cevo, you still wouldn't be able to say that :P

why?

[quote=Fzero][quote=vile]i hope this happens so that i can finally say "i'm a cevo-a champion" without sounding like an idiot.[/quote]

Even if everyone moved to Cevo, you still wouldn't be able to say that :P[/quote]

why?
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#112
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devbefore cevo even considers league fees, they need to see how season 4 which will (supposedly by all these forum posts contain WAY more players than what there is right now) will pan out. If season 4 of cevo becomes a success and great alternative to esea, then they should consider implementing fees for the next season/s to come. But for now, they don't need fucking league fees.

I agree with this. The next season should be donations only, while the following becomes $12 entry.

Somebody on the first or second page mentioned someone who claimed they would put up $6,000 for a new leagues prize pot? Take $3,000 of that and put it to the prize pot next season (including whatever other donations come in, of course). If the season works well and people are pleased, CEVO sets up the $12 entry fee for the following season. They will have plenty of money to keep people interested, while being able to look into LANs. Worst case is they have another $3,000 from the initial donation for another free-to-play season to continue trying to figure things out. whoever's talking about donating 6,000 is crazy though :p

[quote=dev]before cevo even considers league fees, they need to see how season 4 which will (supposedly by all these forum posts contain WAY more players than what there is right now) will pan out. If season 4 of cevo becomes a success and great alternative to esea, then they should consider implementing fees for the next season/s to come. But for now, they don't need fucking league fees.[/quote]
I agree with this. The next season should be donations only, while the following becomes $12 entry.

Somebody on the first or second page mentioned someone who claimed they would put up $6,000 for a new leagues prize pot? Take $3,000 of that and put it to the prize pot next season (including whatever other donations come in, of course). If the season works well and people are pleased, CEVO sets up the $12 entry fee for the following season. They will have plenty of money to keep people interested, while being able to look into LANs. Worst case is they have another $3,000 from the initial donation for another free-to-play season to continue trying to figure things out. whoever's talking about donating 6,000 is crazy though :p
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#113
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GrImpartialJust curious, why are you guys encouraging fees so much? I appreciate what Cevo is doing, I just don't understand why you want to force people to throw money at them. If you want to donate, feel free. I'll probably chip in a bit even if I don't play comp next season, I just don't think it should be forced down everyone's throats to pay league fees. Also, if Cevo makes any mistake, no matter how small, there will be people complaining that they had to pay for the season and that mistakes shouldn't happen.
Like I mentioned before (page 2) there could be an division open to everyone and free to play, and then a more advanced league fee division that has prizes.

Everybody takes it a little more seriously when they have some skin in the game. A larger prize pot will also encourage a higher level of competition. There is a shit ton of infrastructure improvements that have to be made that will take some capital.

My biggest fear is the first season going horribly and everybody jumping ship after that.

[quote=GrImpartial]Just curious, why are you guys encouraging fees so much? I appreciate what Cevo is doing, I just don't understand why you want to force people to throw money at them. If you want to donate, feel free. I'll probably chip in a bit even if I don't play comp next season, I just don't think it should be forced down everyone's throats to pay league fees. Also, if Cevo makes any mistake, no matter how small, there will be people complaining that they had to pay for the season and that mistakes shouldn't happen.
Like I mentioned before (page 2) there could be an division open to everyone and free to play, and then a more advanced league fee division that has prizes.[/quote]
Everybody takes it a little more seriously when they have some skin in the game. A larger prize pot will also encourage a higher level of competition. There is a shit ton of infrastructure improvements that have to be made that will take some capital.

My biggest fear is the first season going horribly and everybody jumping ship after that.
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#114
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Oblivionageseanbud But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision.

I don't think moving to a different league will make the game more competitive in invite. P sure the same 2-3 teams will win invite over and over again because they're just the best.

But at least the community won't have to pay for the other two teams to go to Dallas just to get shit on by them.

[quote=Oblivionage][quote=seanbud] But honestly, how many more times do we need to see plat's team vs. b4nny's team in the grand finals in Dallas?
The last [img]http://blog.logmycalls.com/Portals/155740/images/6-call-tracking.jpg[/img] LAN's have resulted in a 1-2 finish grand final of Plat's team vs. b4nny's team. This season we had a potential competitor in watch this, and the team was killed before the season even started based on the league admin's decision. [/quote]

I don't think moving to a different league will make the game more competitive in invite. P sure the same 2-3 teams will win invite over and over again because they're just the best.[/quote]
But at least the community won't have to pay for the other two teams to go to Dallas just to get shit on by them.
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#115
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http://puu.sh/5pF0I.png

[img]http://puu.sh/5pF0I.png[/img]
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#116
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holy shit

holy shit
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#117
CEVO
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Thanks for the support everyone! All of us at CEVO are super excited about the potential influx of new teams coming on board for Season 4 and we're going to do our best to make sure that everyone's ideas and suggestions for the league are taken into consideration.

AG| Nahanni is going to be organizing a "town hall" meeting of sorts at some point next week that will give everyone an opportunity to ask us any questions that you may have about CEVO and our plans for TF2 Season 4 and beyond.

Thanks,

Chris Pipher
General Manager
CEVO.com

Thanks for the support everyone! All of us at CEVO are super excited about the potential influx of new teams coming on board for Season 4 and we're going to do our best to make sure that everyone's ideas and suggestions for the league are taken into consideration.

AG| Nahanni is going to be organizing a "town hall" meeting of sorts at some point next week that will give everyone an opportunity to ask us any questions that you may have about CEVO and our plans for TF2 Season 4 and beyond.

Thanks,

Chris Pipher
General Manager
CEVO.com
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#118
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Deerhttp://puu.sh/5pF0I.png

new league fee: you have to make a graphical representation of your team joining cevo to play

[quote=Deer][img]http://puu.sh/5pF0I.png[/img][/quote]

new league fee: you have to make a graphical representation of your team joining cevo to play
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#119
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trade hats to cover league fees

trade hats to cover league fees
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#120
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frknEverybody takes it a little more seriously when they have some skin in the game. A larger prize pot will also encourage a higher level of competition. There is a shit ton of infrastructure improvements that have to be made that will take some capital.

My biggest fear is the first season going horribly and everybody jumping ship after that.

True, I just feel like mistakes are magnified to the extreme when customers are paying for the service. I feel like if the 1st season had a league fee, and Cevo made a mistake, we'd be right back to jumping ships to a new league...

[quote=frkn]Everybody takes it a little more seriously when they have some skin in the game. A larger prize pot will also encourage a higher level of competition. There is a shit ton of infrastructure improvements that have to be made that will take some capital.

My biggest fear is the first season going horribly and everybody jumping ship after that.[/quote]
True, I just feel like mistakes are magnified to the extreme when customers are paying for the service. I feel like if the 1st season had a league fee, and Cevo made a mistake, we'd be right back to jumping ships to a new league...
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