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Seinfeldplease do not let the unfunny alt poster spam posting about your nationality convince you that your posts aren't retarded either
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Polish_Painter"He has since disavowed the ideology and its associated movements"
if this line had a source at all it would either be from when he was on trial for being a nazi, or one of the times he's criticized the nazi party for being too soft on non-aryan people
varg continues to publicly express white nationalist/antisemitic views as well as explicit support for the views of the german nazi party
all that said if u want to call mong a nazi or whatever theres much better things to point to
[quote=Polish_Painter]"He has since disavowed the ideology and its associated movements"[/quote]
if this line had a source at all it would either be from when he was on trial for being a nazi, or one of the times he's criticized the nazi party for being too soft on non-aryan people
varg continues to publicly express white nationalist/antisemitic views as well as explicit support for the views of the german nazi party
all that said if u want to call mong a nazi or whatever theres much better things to point to
if this line had a source at all it would either be from when he was on trial for being a nazi, or one of the times he's criticized the nazi party for being too soft on non-aryan people
varg continues to publicly express white nationalist/antisemitic views as well as explicit support for the views of the german nazi party
all that said if u want to call mong a nazi or whatever theres much better things to point to
Mongnot mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.
[quote=Mong]not mention the innocent killings by hamas on oct 7[/quote]
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.
Rocko
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.
The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his in-group. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.
[quote=Rocko]
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.[/quote]
The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his [url=https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/]in-group[/url]. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.[/quote]
The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his [url=https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/]in-group[/url]. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.
I can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)
I can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)
"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all time
"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all time
loot"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all time
ok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert
[quote=loot]"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all time[/quote]
ok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert
ok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert
pot8oloot"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all timeok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert
Be that as it may, concluding that someone may a Nazi on those grounds is at best an educated guess. At worst, it is guilt by association.
[quote=pot8o][quote=loot]"if you listen to Burzum you're a nazi" is a whole new level of tftv hot take, he was one of the most popular black metal musicians of all time[/quote]
ok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert[/quote]
Be that as it may, concluding that someone may a Nazi on those grounds is at best an educated guess. At worst, it is guilt by association.
ok but black metal is definitely the genre where you are most likely to see a sketchy tattoo at a concert[/quote]
Be that as it may, concluding that someone may a Nazi on those grounds is at best an educated guess. At worst, it is guilt by association.
MongRockoThe take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his in-group. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.
lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.
"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is. You talk about OP being biased but I bet you're the kind of person to read an NY times article about dead babies and parade it around as evidence that palestinian children should die.
[quote=Mong][quote=Rocko]
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.[/quote]
The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his [url=https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/]in-group[/url]. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.[/quote]
lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.
"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is. You talk about OP being biased but I bet you're the kind of person to read an NY times article about dead babies and parade it around as evidence that palestinian children should die.
Braindead take ngl
"oh yea ten thousand children have died but did you ask them if they support hamas???"
Hamas is fuckin evil, doesn't mean that the IDF is doing the correct thing right now. It's becoming more likely by the day that the entire Gaza strip is just gonna get wiped out and become Israeli land.[/quote]
The take is not that strawman, it's that OP made a one sided thread not mentioning Oct 7th or Hamas at all. OP could be 100% right about everything and my criticism that he ignores any justification for why Gaza is getting bombed and the terrorist attacks by the Palestinian side, likely because all he has read about this is from tweets and he became blinded by ideological bias to please his [url=https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/]in-group[/url]. Dehumanizing and not understanding why people disagree with you are clear evidence of this.
If children die in a war against terrorists, that obviously sucks. Doesn't mean you can't still support what the IDF is doing (destroying Hamas is great). Furthermore, a lot of Palestinian "civilians" support the IDF both ideologically and giving them shelter (Hamas is notoriously known for using civilian buildings and human shields; there are no military buildings in Gaza). Collateral damage is expected, to some unclear extent. Note that Save The Children data is based on the numbers from Palestinian Ministries of Health (Hamas) so their numbers need to be independently confirmed to be trusted.[/quote]
lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.
"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is. You talk about OP being biased but I bet you're the kind of person to read an NY times article about dead babies and parade it around as evidence that palestinian children should die.
tojoI can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)
Awww poor baby chungus cant laugh at his shitposts without being reminded of a genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign happening in this world? If you don't have a real opinion, you're either a psychopath who is willingly ignorant to the crimes of the IDF and equate what happened on ONE DAY (oct 7) to the past 75+ years of bloodshed and oppression and massacring that has gone on, OR you are naive child who knows nothing about the world and is too selfish to spend any % of your brainpower on anything except your own personal desires. So either you are a smelly centrist or a narcissistic moron, either way you are fucked in the head.
[quote=tojo]I can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)[/quote]
Awww poor baby chungus cant laugh at his shitposts without being reminded of a genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign happening in this world? If you don't have a real opinion, you're either a psychopath who is willingly ignorant to the crimes of the IDF and equate what happened on ONE DAY (oct 7) to the past 75+ years of bloodshed and oppression and massacring that has gone on, OR you are naive child who knows nothing about the world and is too selfish to spend any % of your brainpower on anything except your own personal desires. So either you are a smelly centrist or a narcissistic moron, either way you are fucked in the head.
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)[/quote]
Awww poor baby chungus cant laugh at his shitposts without being reminded of a genocide and ethnic cleansing campaign happening in this world? If you don't have a real opinion, you're either a psychopath who is willingly ignorant to the crimes of the IDF and equate what happened on ONE DAY (oct 7) to the past 75+ years of bloodshed and oppression and massacring that has gone on, OR you are naive child who knows nothing about the world and is too selfish to spend any % of your brainpower on anything except your own personal desires. So either you are a smelly centrist or a narcissistic moron, either way you are fucked in the head.
tojoI can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)
the thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.
[quote=tojo]I can’t say I have a real opinion, other than I’m sick of social media “activists” putting war crimes and bloodied children on my feed “in the name of awareness”. Sure dude, now that you’ve shown me an amputee mother of 6, I’ll burn down ____ ___ in order to change where my tax money goes !!
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)[/quote]
the thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.
edit: not to say posting and spreading awareness is bad, I’m just sick of trying to look at funny post ! and then it’s someone reminding me of something awful I have 0 ability to change (outside of not getting starbucks or mcdonald’s lol)[/quote]
the thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.
alex80lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists")
IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.
alex80what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
alex80"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.
[quote=alex80]lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") [/quote]
IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.
[quote=alex80]what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.[/quote]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.
IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.
[quote=alex80]what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.[/quote]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.
Mongalex80"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
^ expected to be underreported as many dead are buried under rubble / not locateable
[quote=Mong]
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. [/quote]
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
^ expected to be underreported as many dead are buried under rubble / not locateable
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. [/quote]
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
^ expected to be underreported as many dead are buried under rubble / not locateable
Mongalex80lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists")IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.alex80what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.alex80"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.
You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from? It's fucking insane that you equate Israel to the Allies here, its absurd.
Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.
Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.
So now you can see that it was not proportionate, just by comparing those simple and easy to access numbers. Then you can finally come to the conclusion that your argument of allies vs japan is fucking moronic and based on facetious assumptions.
There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?
Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en and according to them, of the total 30,000 dead palestinians since Oct 7th, 27000 are civilians. Meaning (using simple math here i know its hard for you to understand) 3000 of the 30,000 are militants. 3000 dead militants for 27,000 dead civilians. So there are your numbers.
[quote=Mong][quote=alex80]lets act for a minute that your horrific premise is true (you can support IDF while they kill thousands of children because they claim to be "fighting terrorists") [/quote]
IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.
[quote=alex80]what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.[/quote]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.[/quote]
You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from? It's fucking insane that you equate Israel to the Allies here, its absurd.
Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.
Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.
So now you can see that it was not proportionate, just by comparing those simple and easy to access numbers. Then you can finally come to the conclusion that your argument of allies vs japan is fucking moronic and based on facetious assumptions.
There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?
Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en and according to them, of the total 30,000 dead palestinians since Oct 7th, 27000 are civilians. Meaning (using simple math here i know its hard for you to understand) 3000 of the 30,000 are militants. 3000 dead militants for 27,000 dead civilians. So there are your numbers.
IDF does not just claim to fight terrorists, they actually do. The fact that you can support them despite collateral damage is obvious. This is believed by anyone who doesn't have an infantile view of war. The Tokyo fire bombings killed 100k civilians. You can still support the Allies.
[quote=alex80]what about the west bank then? Hamas is not the leader of the west bank, yet children there die to IDF atrocities all the time as well.[/quote]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
[quote=alex80]"collateral damage" doesnt apply when the ratio of dead civilians per dead hamas is as high as it is.[/quote]
I don't know if this is true. You provide no evidence for the ratio of dead civilians or why the ratio is too high. I don't trust Hamas data. There's a few unique things about this conflict: enemy uses human shields, no military buildings, dense population, one side much more technologically superior. How much do these matter? I don't know. The ICC is currently investigating Israel. I'll wait for that.[/quote]
You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from? It's fucking insane that you equate Israel to the Allies here, its absurd.
Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.
Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.
So now you can see that it was not proportionate, just by comparing those simple and easy to access numbers. Then you can finally come to the conclusion that your argument of allies vs japan is fucking moronic and based on facetious assumptions.
There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?
Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en and according to them, of the total 30,000 dead palestinians since Oct 7th, 27000 are civilians. Meaning (using simple math here i know its hard for you to understand) 3000 of the 30,000 are militants. 3000 dead militants for 27,000 dead civilians. So there are your numbers.
being an american has given me a pro-terrorist stance
being an american has given me a pro-terrorist stance
its crazy to think about how Palestinians are genetically more "Jewish" than the people who practice Judaism
its crazy to think about how Palestinians are genetically more "Jewish" than the people who practice Judaism
MongThe West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
well yeah but they're israeli
[quote=Mong]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.[/quote]
well yeah but they're israeli
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.[/quote]
well yeah but they're israeli
mustardoverlordtojothe thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.
valid, I guess my point moreso is it feels performative from some of these people that I know personally, and I just don't feel like seeing mutilated people when I'm expecting to see a cute selfie of my friend :\ hear ur point tho definitely a very privileged thing to say
also #132, I said I don't have a real opinion bcus I'm not educated enough to say something that hasn't been said, I obviously would love to hear about a cease fire happening
also edit:
https://www.ihrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/boycott-genocide-800-2of4.jpg
here's the boycott I'm partaking in just for anyone reading my post and assuming I'm some apathetic fuck. I'm genuinely just sick of seeing shit that I already heard about in the news lol
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=tojo][/quote]
the thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.[/quote]
valid, I guess my point moreso is it feels performative from some of these people that I know personally, and I just don't feel like seeing mutilated people when I'm expecting to see a cute selfie of my friend :\ hear ur point tho definitely a very privileged thing to say
also #132, I said I don't have a real opinion bcus I'm not educated enough to say something that hasn't been said, I obviously would love to hear about a cease fire happening
also edit: [img]https://www.ihrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/boycott-genocide-800-2of4.jpg[/img] here's the boycott I'm partaking in just for anyone reading my post and assuming I'm some apathetic fuck. I'm genuinely just sick of seeing shit that I already heard about in the news lol
the thing is though, there's a sort of perverse privilege to make this argument, yknow? like no one is forcing you to invest all your time doomscrolling, feel free to live your life, etc. but, in the process of saying this, you're basically saying that you would be able to tune out with no consequences, if not for the dang social media algorithm. if you were a Palestinian/Muslim/Arab in the US (to say nothing of being IN Gaza), you would absolutely not have that luxury. if I were you, I'd count my blessings that seeing some fucked up images is the worst outcome that you can't avoid.[/quote]
valid, I guess my point moreso is it feels performative from some of these people that I know personally, and I just don't feel like seeing mutilated people when I'm expecting to see a cute selfie of my friend :\ hear ur point tho definitely a very privileged thing to say
also #132, I said I don't have a real opinion bcus I'm not educated enough to say something that hasn't been said, I obviously would love to hear about a cease fire happening
also edit: [img]https://www.ihrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/boycott-genocide-800-2of4.jpg[/img] here's the boycott I'm partaking in just for anyone reading my post and assuming I'm some apathetic fuck. I'm genuinely just sick of seeing shit that I already heard about in the news lol
alex80You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from?
IDF. They fight and kill Hamas, and Hamas are terrorists. This is obvious. Hamas attacked civilians on Oct 7th and this is why they are now getting bombed.
alex80Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.
Allies didn't care how many Asians the Japanese killed (pre 1945 Asia was a hellhole and everyone killed everyone). They declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor (really, it was in their strategic interest). Your "ratio of civilians killed to Hamas" applied to the Tokyo Fire Bombings does not look good given that they were specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. US didn't have to do that, given that Japan has a real working military, but Israel has to target civilian buildings because there are no military buildings in Gaza, so yes these two bombings aren't fully comparable but this does not help your case at all. Also, you keep switching your "proportionality" from Hamas vs Palestinian civilians and Israeli deaths vs Palestinian deaths. Which is it? I mentioned the Tokyo Fire Bombings because you said people shouldn't support Israel because they (accidentally) kill civilians.
alex80Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.
Sure, more Palestinians died than Israelis. I agree. This doesn't mean Israel is necessarily wrong. Israel has a much, much better military, with military buildings. They don't hide in civilian buildings using human shields. This also means most innocent Israeli deaths can be easily avoided but Hamas have to kill and rape festival goers because they're barbarians.
vlad80There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?
I'm iffy on Iraq, and kinda support Afghanistan but that's beside the point, and the argument for these wars is more than just "they have terrorists". They're not comparable. Palestine is part of Israel. Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this). Palestine-Israel conflict would probably still exist even if there was no Hamas terrorism (it would just make Palestine seem much better).
vlad80Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en
From the link:
in addition to the statistics provided by the Palestinian Health Ministry, its own figures include people who have been missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes for more than 14 days now, with very little hope of survival.
PHM-West Bank takes its casualty numbers from PHM-Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. Not only are you giving me figures likely inflated by Hamas, but also inflated with people missing. Note that I do not claim these figures are necessarily wrong, but that we don't yet know for sure their true number. One thing about the PHM-Gaza figures we know is that they do not differentiate between civilians and militants.
What is the point of arguing about this when the ICC is currently investigating Israel? Why not wait for their independent conclusion? Are we that desperate to score political points for the in-group?
pajaroMongwell yeah but they're israeli
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.
[quote=alex80]You don't trust Hamas data, okay so where do you get the data that they are "fighting terrorists" from?
[/quote]
IDF. They fight and kill Hamas, and Hamas are terrorists. This is obvious. Hamas attacked civilians on Oct 7th and this is why they are now getting bombed.
[quote=alex80]Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.[/quote]
Allies didn't care how many Asians the Japanese killed (pre 1945 Asia was a hellhole and everyone killed everyone). They declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor (really, it was in their strategic interest). Your "ratio of civilians killed to Hamas" applied to the Tokyo Fire Bombings does not look good given that they were specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. US didn't have to do that, given that Japan has a real working military, but Israel [b]has[/b] to target civilian buildings because there are no military buildings in Gaza, so yes these two bombings aren't fully comparable but this does not help your case at all. Also, you keep switching your "proportionality" from Hamas vs Palestinian civilians and Israeli deaths vs Palestinian deaths. Which is it? I mentioned the Tokyo Fire Bombings because you said people shouldn't support Israel because they (accidentally) kill civilians.
[quote=alex80]Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.[/quote]
Sure, more Palestinians died than Israelis. I agree. This doesn't mean Israel is necessarily wrong. Israel has a much, much better military, with military buildings. They don't hide in civilian buildings using human shields. This also means most innocent Israeli deaths can be easily avoided but Hamas have to kill and rape festival goers because they're barbarians.
[quote=vlad80]There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?[/quote]
I'm iffy on Iraq, and kinda support Afghanistan but that's beside the point, and the argument for these wars is more than just "they have terrorists". They're not comparable. Palestine is part of Israel. Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this). Palestine-Israel conflict would probably still exist even if there was no Hamas terrorism (it would just make Palestine seem much better).
[quote=vlad80]Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en [/quote]
From the link:
[i]in addition to the statistics provided by the [b]Palestinian Health Ministry,[/b] its own figures include people who have been missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes for more than 14 days now, with very little hope of survival. [/i]
PHM-West Bank takes its casualty numbers from PHM-Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. Not only are you giving me figures likely inflated by Hamas, but also inflated with people missing. Note that I do not claim these figures are necessarily wrong, but that we don't yet know for sure their true number. One thing about the PHM-Gaza figures we know is that they do not differentiate between civilians and militants.
What is the point of arguing about this when the ICC is currently investigating Israel? Why not wait for their independent conclusion? Are we that desperate to score political points for the in-group?[quote=pajaro][quote=Mong]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.[/quote]
well yeah but they're israeli[/quote]
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.
[/quote]
IDF. They fight and kill Hamas, and Hamas are terrorists. This is obvious. Hamas attacked civilians on Oct 7th and this is why they are now getting bombed.
[quote=alex80]Some quick googling reveals that the Japanese Empire was responsible for tens of millions of deaths, many many civilian deaths. So you can use your little brain to work out some proportionality argument, seeing as the Japanese empire did so much destruction, atrocities, massacres etc, then the firebombing could be seen as proportionate.[/quote]
Allies didn't care how many Asians the Japanese killed (pre 1945 Asia was a hellhole and everyone killed everyone). They declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor (really, it was in their strategic interest). Your "ratio of civilians killed to Hamas" applied to the Tokyo Fire Bombings does not look good given that they were specifically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. US didn't have to do that, given that Japan has a real working military, but Israel [b]has[/b] to target civilian buildings because there are no military buildings in Gaza, so yes these two bombings aren't fully comparable but this does not help your case at all. Also, you keep switching your "proportionality" from Hamas vs Palestinian civilians and Israeli deaths vs Palestinian deaths. Which is it? I mentioned the Tokyo Fire Bombings because you said people shouldn't support Israel because they (accidentally) kill civilians.
[quote=alex80]Now let me hold your hand and walk you through this: how many Israeli's have been killed by the Palestine entity? How many civilians did Palestinian groups kill in the past 2 decades? Compare that with the amount of Palestinians that the IDF has killed in JUST THE LAST 3 MONTHS. I'm already trying to skew it in favour of your argument, compare a 20 year death toll to a 3 month death toll. Unfortunately you will come to the conclusion that the Israeli lives lost absolutely pale in comparison to the Palestinian death toll.[/quote]
Sure, more Palestinians died than Israelis. I agree. This doesn't mean Israel is necessarily wrong. Israel has a much, much better military, with military buildings. They don't hide in civilian buildings using human shields. This also means most innocent Israeli deaths can be easily avoided but Hamas have to kill and rape festival goers because they're barbarians.
[quote=vlad80]There are terrorists in every country in the world. Does that justify an invasion? Can I please get your stance on the US invasion of Iraq? On their invasion of Afghanistan? You must support those wars because "there were terrorists". So you view collective punishment as ethical, reasonable, correct?[/quote]
I'm iffy on Iraq, and kinda support Afghanistan but that's beside the point, and the argument for these wars is more than just "they have terrorists". They're not comparable. Palestine is part of Israel. Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this). Palestine-Israel conflict would probably still exist even if there was no Hamas terrorism (it would just make Palestine seem much better).
[quote=vlad80]Now for the ratio, I am sourcing a non-hamas, Switzerland based group, https://euromedmonitor.org/en [/quote]
From the link:
[i]in addition to the statistics provided by the [b]Palestinian Health Ministry,[/b] its own figures include people who have been missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes for more than 14 days now, with very little hope of survival. [/i]
PHM-West Bank takes its casualty numbers from PHM-Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. Not only are you giving me figures likely inflated by Hamas, but also inflated with people missing. Note that I do not claim these figures are necessarily wrong, but that we don't yet know for sure their true number. One thing about the PHM-Gaza figures we know is that they do not differentiate between civilians and militants.
What is the point of arguing about this when the ICC is currently investigating Israel? Why not wait for their independent conclusion? Are we that desperate to score political points for the in-group?[quote=pajaro][quote=Mong]
The West Bank... also... has... terrorists.[/quote]
well yeah but they're israeli[/quote]
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.
Mong Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this).
native americans did violently resist US settlers & expansion and it was justified
[quote=Mong] Something more comparable would be if a native american group wanted to own the US and started waging war and committing terror attacks (lol at any nutjob who would support this). [/quote]
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified
Mong
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100706021237/http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/131/1671.pdf
https://www.government.se/statements/2023/12/joint-statement-on-settler-violence-on-the-west-bank/
[quote=Mong]
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.[/quote]
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-dynamics-of-israeli-settler-terrorism-and-us-options/#:~:text=Jewish%20terrorism%20in%20Palestine%20is,been%20in%20existence%20for%20decades.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100706021237/http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/131/1671.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/france-calls-west-bank-israeli-settler-violence-policy-terror-2023-11-16/
https://www.government.se/statements/2023/12/joint-statement-on-settler-violence-on-the-west-bank/
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/israelpalestine-statement-spokesperson-latest-developments-west-bank_en
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/3/unsafe-in-own-home-israeli-settlers-spread-terror-in-south-hebron-hills
Settlers are not terrorists, no. I don't particularly agree with settlers being in the West Bank either. Doesn't mean Hamas is justified or that innocent settlers should be killed.[/quote]
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/the-dynamics-of-israeli-settler-terrorism-and-us-options/#:~:text=Jewish%20terrorism%20in%20Palestine%20is,been%20in%20existence%20for%20decades.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100706021237/http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/131/1671.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/france-calls-west-bank-israeli-settler-violence-policy-terror-2023-11-16/
https://www.government.se/statements/2023/12/joint-statement-on-settler-violence-on-the-west-bank/
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/israelpalestine-statement-spokesperson-latest-developments-west-bank_en
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/3/unsafe-in-own-home-israeli-settlers-spread-terror-in-south-hebron-hills
pajaro
I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
Wild_Rumpusnative americans did violently resist US settlers & expansion and it was justified
Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.
[quote=pajaro][/quote]
I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus]
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified[/quote]
Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.
I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus]
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified[/quote]
Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.
MongpajaroI don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
Wild_Rumpusnative americans did violently resist US settlers & expansion and it was justifiedSome did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.
are all of your countrymen this horrible
[quote=Mong][quote=pajaro][/quote]
I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus]
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified[/quote]
Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.[/quote] are all of your countrymen this horrible
I don't agree with illegal settlements or settler violence, but I still wouldn't call it terrorism per say, at least from what I read in the 2023 links (I don't care about 30 year old attacks). It's normal violence. If there was settler terrorism, I would also disavow that.
[quote=Wild_Rumpus]
native americans [i]did [/i]violently resist US settlers & expansion and it [i]was[/i] justified[/quote]
Some did, and they lost, as did (partly) Palestine. If it was justified back then I'd have to say it depends on the details. Justified today? Definitely not.[/quote] are all of your countrymen this horrible
EnzoDBare all of your countrymen this horrible
lol. are all your countrymen unable to defend their horrible posts?
[quote=EnzoDB]are all of your countrymen this horrible[/quote]
lol. are all your countrymen unable to defend their horrible posts?
lol. are all your countrymen unable to defend their horrible posts?
I hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing
I hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing
EnzoDBI hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing
Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.
[quote=EnzoDB]I hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing[/quote]
Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.
Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.
MongEnzoDBI hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansingWhy you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.
The IDF has been doing this well before October 7th
[quote=Mong][quote=EnzoDB]I hate that terrorism is a term that only gets applied to muslims and no other group, at least not nearly as much as them, every single imperial project/body has produced more suffering and actual terror than every terrorist group combined. The resistance group rebelling against their life long oppressors are only dubbed as terrorists because what they do is inconvenient to their occupation and goals of genocide and ethnic cleansing[/quote]
Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.[/quote]
The IDF has been doing this well before October 7th
Why you bring religion into this is beyond me. You spent the whole thread justifying terrorist actions because of "muh oppressors" while I instantly and completely deny all such violence from both sides (unless it involves bombing terrorists!). They are called terrorists because they commit terrorist actions (like killing and raping innocent festival goers on Oct 7th). It's 2024 and I can't wait for Hamas to get annihilated (with preferably no civilian casualties) because they are a 20th century terrorist group stuck in the 21st.[/quote]
The IDF has been doing this well before October 7th
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