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RGL S9 Advanced Happenings/Discussion
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#31
57 Frags +

I normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.

For the last four days, I was kept completely in the dark as to the status of my team. I continued to schedule scrims, map reviews, and even played our Thursday match (5-3 victory) thinking I was still a member of the team. After our Thursday match had finished, I attempted to discuss with the team the problems on mids, etc. After mentioning how I had a 19-5 K/D in the second half, I was met with a snide comment about how I'm "just a baiter" and the rest of the team quickly left the mumble before I could discuss what was going on with midfights. My co-leader on RGL secretly removed my leader and continued to fail to respond to my messages.

Throughout my tenure on this team, my knowledge, and the knowledge of an invite player who was happy enough to demo review for us was put into question. My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."

My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.

Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with."

Playing on this team presented an extraordinarily toxic environment that I put up with because of my desire to improve and break through into advanced. My teammates not only constantly talked about me behind my back, but even mid-scrim, scathingly criticized me when I would take my headphones off to go to the bathroom. I was constantly mocked, used as a scapegoat for every issue on the team, and lectured at mid-scrim and mid-match. Although I am unhappy to not be able to continue playing and maincalling this season, I see my departure from this team, in part, as a good thing.

To my former teammates: You won't have anyone to blame now that I'm gone, and I pity the player who decides to take my place. Go ahead and get your friends to slander my name, downfrag this post, etc. It will not change the fact that you displayed unsportsmanlike, petulant behavior not fitting of those with any desire to improve at the game.

Sincerely,
Jw.

I normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.

For the last four days, I was kept completely in the dark as to the status of my team. I continued to schedule scrims, map reviews, and even played our Thursday match (5-3 victory) thinking I was still a member of the team. After our Thursday match had finished, I attempted to discuss with the team the problems on mids, etc. After mentioning how I had a 19-5 K/D in the second half, I was met with a snide comment about how I'm "just a baiter" and the rest of the team quickly left the mumble before I could discuss what was going on with midfights. My co-leader on RGL secretly removed my leader and continued to fail to respond to my messages.

Throughout my tenure on this team, my knowledge, and the knowledge of an invite player who was happy enough to demo review for us was put into question. My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."

My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.

Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with."

Playing on this team presented an extraordinarily toxic environment that I put up with because of my desire to improve and break through into advanced. My teammates not only constantly talked about me behind my back, but even mid-scrim, scathingly criticized me when I would take my headphones off to go to the bathroom. I was constantly mocked, used as a scapegoat for every issue on the team, and lectured at mid-scrim and mid-match. Although I am unhappy to not be able to continue playing and maincalling this season, I see my departure from this team, in part, as a good thing.

To my former teammates: You won't have anyone to blame now that I'm gone, and I pity the player who decides to take my place. Go ahead and get your friends to slander my name, downfrag this post, etc. It will not change the fact that you displayed unsportsmanlike, petulant behavior not fitting of those with any desire to improve at the game.

Sincerely,
Jw.
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#32
14 Frags +

Keep your head up king

Keep your head up king
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#33
-20 Frags +

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/038/094/0a1.jpg

[img]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/038/094/0a1.jpg[/img]
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#34
28 Frags +

u joined the mudkip and ybg team u shouldve expected this

u joined the mudkip and ybg team u shouldve expected this
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#35
-7 Frags +

advanced team schizos out over suspicion that the invite-tier demo review was bait for 30 minutes

what kind of tomfoolery is that LOL

advanced team schizos out over suspicion that the invite-tier demo review was bait for 30 minutes

what kind of tomfoolery is that LOL
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#36
4 Frags +

let me out

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/mad-cat-behind-bars-310242.jpg

let me out
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#37
17 Frags +
Jw
Sincerely,
Jw.

feel bad for you cuz u were the best player on dat team

[quote=Jw]

Sincerely,
Jw.[/quote]
feel bad for you cuz u were the best player on dat team
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#38
-17 Frags +
JwI normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.

Didn't plan on it.

Jw My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless."

We never said invite strategies shouldn't be used. I said repeatedly to not anticipate an enemy team in advanced to play like perfect invite players, and to react accordingly to what's happening in the game. Your playbook was too cookie cutter, you couldn't adapt to what was happening in our games.

Jw My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates.

This is the funny one. I thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information because the sparknotes JW gave us after receiving these reviews seemed off to me. I also said that I wasn't certain of this claim, but I was skeptical. I later began to think that the information being given wasn't off, it was the interpretation of it that was, this new thesis supported by how insane this post is.
For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

JwBefore our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with.

I never liked the counter-calling from our medic, I stood against that every time it was brought up. You were not lectured after every lost fight, you were not always the problem.
The "such a stupid play" quote is actually, "stop making stupid plays" and that came from my mouth. And this wasn't after a lost fight, this was after asking me why I'm giving you so much criticism. Criticism is a good thing, I'm not calling your play bad and leaving it at that, I'm providing alternative ideas that I wanted you to grapple with. That's the only time I said anything negatively charged towards you. The specific instance was of you double jumping in a straight line at two scouts on height at process mid, dying, and me saying "hey man, you can't do that".

You seemingly can't separate critique on you as a player and critique of you as a person. I never called you stupid, implied you were stupid, and I only respectfully told you about things I thought you could do better.

Please, do better.

[quote=Jw]I normally don't do this, but because I have the feeling that my former teammates are going to slander me, I will post this as a record for the future.

[/quote]

Didn't plan on it.

[quote=Jw] My former teammates questioned whether central mids on maps like process, sunshine, etc. were a "real thing," and said that this is "invite technology" that should not be practiced. I was told to never call for our soldiers to fade bomb because that is "useless." [/quote]

We never said invite strategies shouldn't be used. I said repeatedly to not anticipate an enemy team in advanced to play like perfect invite players, and to react accordingly to what's happening in the game. Your playbook was too cookie cutter, you couldn't adapt to what was happening in our games.

[quote=Jw] My teammates questioned whether this invite demo-reviewer was giving us "bad information on purpose," and the consensus of my teammates was that we should not listen to this invite player. As a result, I was given a 30-minute lecture by a teammate that everything this invite player had told me about my positioning on process mids was wrong. When I continued to play like the invite player told me in the demo review, I was accused of not listening to my teammates. [/quote]
This is the funny one. I thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information because the sparknotes JW gave us after receiving these reviews seemed off to me. I also said that I wasn't certain of this claim, but I was skeptical. I later began to think that the information being given wasn't off, it was the interpretation of it that was, this new thesis supported by how insane this post is.
For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

[quote=Jw]Before our Wednesday match, after which everyone on the team went radio silent, I made a point to tell the team that we should not be lecturing each other mid-match, and that it is better to simply play the game. I also asked to team to not countercall me during the match. One of my teammates responded that he "would definitely" be countercalling me if I made a bad call. After every lost teamfight, I was repeatedly lectured and essentially told I was the genesis of the team's problems. After a particular play, one miffed teammate told me I made "such a stupid play," and I became angry, asking why he was lecturing me in the middle of a match. Talking to this teammate after the match about his behavior, I was told that I was "gaslighting him." After days of complete silence, the reason given for my being cut from the team was because my "maincall is just very weird to what we are all used to playing with.[/quote]

I never liked the counter-calling from our medic, I stood against that every time it was brought up. You were not lectured after every lost fight, you were not always the problem.
The "such a stupid play" quote is actually, "stop making stupid plays" and that came from my mouth. And this wasn't after a lost fight, this was after asking me why I'm giving you so much criticism. Criticism is a good thing, I'm not calling your play bad and leaving it at that, I'm providing alternative ideas that I wanted you to grapple with. That's the only time I said anything negatively charged towards you. The specific instance was of you double jumping in a straight line at two scouts on height at process mid, dying, and me saying "hey man, you can't do that".

You seemingly can't separate critique on you as a player and critique of you as a person. I never called you stupid, implied you were stupid, and I only respectfully told you about things I thought you could do better.

Please, do better.
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#39
16 Frags +
VinsuI thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information

IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS

[quote=Vinsu]I thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information[/quote]
IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS IM IN YOUR WALLS
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#40
26 Frags +
VinsuI thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information

zam is a well-known troll. . . . .

[quote=Vinsu]I thought Zam might've been feeding JW bad information[/quote]

zam is a well-known troll. . . . .
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#41
23 Frags +

For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt retarded enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......

For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt retarded enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......
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#42
-8 Frags +
reakoif you dont like it you do it then pussy

ok sorry.

[quote=reako]if you dont like it you do it then pussy[/quote]
ok sorry.
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#43
-11 Frags +
ZamFor example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt retarded enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......

My entire team heard this and demos of our process scrims and matches would support this.

[quote=Zam]For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt retarded enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......[/quote]

My entire team heard this and demos of our process scrims and matches would support this.
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#44
24 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/RZA55y3_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

[img]https://i.imgur.com/RZA55y3_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand[/img]
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#45
16 Frags +
ZamFor example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt ******** enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......

Ya he's just straight up lying. I never said that and Zam never told me that in a demo review (I asked you to come to the demo review but you never responded). Thought vin might tiptoe around it a bit more, but he went for the "I'm gonna lie about him where he can see it" route. Whatever; it's obvious he's not telling the truth and that my prediction about them slandering me came true.

VinsuThat's the only time I said anything negatively charged towards you.

I have no words lol
There is no point dialoguing with people of such bad will, so I won't be posting on this matter again. Thank you for proving me correct so quickly, vin.

[quote=Zam]For example, I was told "combo scout should never leave the rock on process mids", "The flank (scout) should never push through the same doorway as the combo during a push under any circumstance".

^ neither of these are true and im sure jw isnt ******** enough to think that people should play that one dimensional.......[/quote]Ya he's just straight up lying. I never said that and Zam never told me that in a demo review (I asked you to come to the demo review but you never responded). Thought vin might tiptoe around it a bit more, but he went for the "I'm gonna lie about him where he can see it" route. Whatever; it's obvious he's not telling the truth and that my prediction about them slandering me came true.
[quote=Vinsu]That's the only time I said anything negatively charged towards you.[/quote]I have no words lol
There is no point dialoguing with people of such bad will, so I won't be posting on this matter again. Thank you for proving me correct so quickly, vin.
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#46
3 Frags +

good day sir!

good day sir!
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#47
1 Frags +

season of tf2 competitive with no drama (impossible challenge)

season of tf2 competitive with no drama (impossible challenge)
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#48
-3 Frags +

my kingdom for a full season of advanced

my kingdom for a full season of advanced
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#49
-20 Frags +

y drama

y drama
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#50
-10 Frags +

I kinda thought the zam conspiracy was a meme on the team, I appreciated the time he gave me and our team. I even recorded the whole session I had with him and you and re-listened to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I will say that no one on our team was really questioning the central mids, we have all seen higher level games where it is the main mid strat. We just thought it did not work for us, we tried to tell you but you kept calling for it.

One thing I know you told vin was that our flank needed to stay on the flank in almost every situation. Zam said that we were death balling together too much and leaving the flanks open. I think u synthesized that poorly and tried to explain in a catch-all, lacking nuance.

In the end, this came down to us not liking the calls and certain plays you were making. We all thought you were too cookie-cutter and lacked the ability to adapt to new information. This is why your google doc of strats made us mald (to be fair we haven't used it in a about a week or 2) a lot of it is probably good too, I just didn't like the nature of it. When tf2 becomes a college lecture it sucks alot of fun out of the game.

However, it shows that you are very committed to improving and put a lot of work into our team. I have no doubt that if you continue grinding like this you will be a great player. It just wasn't for us...

I kinda thought the zam conspiracy was a meme on the team, I appreciated the time he gave me and our team. I even recorded the whole session I had with him and you and re-listened to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I will say that no one on our team was really questioning the central mids, we have all seen higher level games where it is the main mid strat. We just thought it did not work for us, we tried to tell you but you kept calling for it.

One thing I know you told vin was that our flank needed to stay on the flank in almost every situation. Zam said that we were death balling together too much and leaving the flanks open. I think u synthesized that poorly and tried to explain in a catch-all, lacking nuance.

In the end, this came down to us not liking the calls and certain plays you were making. We all thought you were too cookie-cutter and lacked the ability to adapt to new information. This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald (to be fair we haven't used it in a about a week or 2) a lot of it is probably good too, I just didn't like the nature of it. When tf2 becomes a college lecture it sucks alot of fun out of the game.

However, it shows that you are very committed to improving and put a lot of work into our team. I have no doubt that if you continue grinding like this you will be a great player. It just wasn't for us...
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#51
6 Frags +
perenne-SpaceCadetAdvanced Top 10 - Week 2 - all matches are complete
is there any reason why hpm isnt listed for medic?

Yeah, it wasn't listed because I never thought about tracking it.

After looking it over, I think it would be more fun to track HPM instead of medic frags so I made the changes.

[quote=perenne-][quote=SpaceCadet][url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FqvvCYoF8CP3jO9DEJtkD-KsLD9_cUyaYZpMh4AowKg/edit#gid=830936833]Advanced Top 10 - Week 2[/url] - all matches are complete
[/quote]

is there any reason why hpm isnt listed for medic?[/quote]

Yeah, it wasn't listed because I never thought about tracking it.

After looking it over, I think it would be more fun to track HPM instead of medic frags so I made the changes.
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#52
10 Frags +

kill magmard

kill magmard
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#53
10 Frags +

wait hes not even adv anymore

wait hes not even adv anymore
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#54
15 Frags +

yeah after seeing that google doc for mid strats on 2 maps i have earned a new found respect for JW. kids on the grind for himself and also trying to uplift his team on a general level. Also i think the other 5 people on w/e team it is need to recognize teams are always 50/50 calls and execution are what make things work if your team was trying to use things like central mids it is imperative that people on the individual level recognize when they fuck up execution instead of throwing a whole strat out or trying to go back to a "lower tier strat" when the point of finding new info/tech in any game is to practice it and review this specific part to fix these issues. Scrims were made for this exact reason the point of the game not being fun when things become a college essay I understand but that's just during the learning process. Once something becomes part of your repertoire and it becomes second nature and you don't have to mindfully think of it. As an individual it gives you so many more options to make in any competitive game that the initial trials and tribulation you face honing any tech/strat becomes super validating. Just my old man ramblings

yeah after seeing that google doc for mid strats on 2 maps i have earned a new found respect for JW. kids on the grind for himself and also trying to uplift his team on a general level. Also i think the other 5 people on w/e team it is need to recognize teams are always 50/50 calls and execution are what make things work if your team was trying to use things like central mids it is imperative that people on the individual level recognize when they fuck up execution instead of throwing a whole strat out or trying to go back to a "lower tier strat" when the point of finding new info/tech in any game is to practice it and review this specific part to fix these issues. Scrims were made for this exact reason the point of the game not being fun when things become a college essay I understand but that's just during the learning process. Once something becomes part of your repertoire and it becomes second nature and you don't have to mindfully think of it. As an individual it gives you so many more options to make in any competitive game that the initial trials and tribulation you face honing any tech/strat becomes super validating. Just my old man ramblings
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#55
-3 Frags +

i didnt read then made a comment i wouldnt have made if i had read

i didnt read then made a comment i wouldnt have made if i had read
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#56
26 Frags +
Ryot This is why your google doc of strats made us mald

This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.

[quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.
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#57
-6 Frags +
gungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us mald This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want. All 5 of us disagree with too many of his calls, (and we all have more experience) this did not have to be a public affair. When we practice the Google doc strats and fail to execute them correctly in scrims you do not call for them in matches. I don't want my game to be a fucking card game of laid out strats that's boring and unadaptive. He yelled at vin for criticizing him and left vc as soon as we lost on process. Yet complains about us leaving on granary.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.

[quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.[/quote]

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want. All 5 of us disagree with too many of his calls, (and we all have more experience) this did not have to be a public affair. When we practice the Google doc strats and fail to execute them correctly in scrims you do not call for them in matches. I don't want my game to be a fucking card game of laid out strats that's boring and unadaptive. He yelled at vin for criticizing him and left vc as soon as we lost on process. Yet complains about us leaving on granary.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.
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#58
10 Frags +
RyotgungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us mald This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.

strats are a game plan going into the game. more than half the time TF2 is wayyyy too chaotic to get them to work 100% of the time. that doc is an amazing way to play the game at a foundational level. thats why a maincaller exists so the team has a plan through out every point in the game. shocking you guys removed Jw that guy seems super dedicated, hopefully he lands on a solid team

[quote=Ryot][quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.[/quote]

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.[/quote]

strats are a game plan going into the game. more than half the time TF2 is wayyyy too chaotic to get them to work 100% of the time. that doc is an amazing way to play the game at a foundational level. thats why a maincaller exists so the team has a plan through out every point in the game. shocking you guys removed Jw that guy seems super dedicated, hopefully he lands on a solid team
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#59
0 Frags +
sandblastRyotgungonRyot This is why your google doc of strats made us mald This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.

strats are a game plan going into the game. more than half the time TF2 is wayyyy too chaotic to get them to work 100% of the time. that doc is an amazing way to play the game at a foundational level. thats why a maincaller exists so the team has a plan through out every point in the game. shocking you guys removed Jw that guy seems super dedicated, hopefully he lands on a solid team

He is super dedicated and put a lot of effort into the team, I hope he finds a great team.

[quote=sandblast][quote=Ryot][quote=gungon][quote=Ryot] This is why your google doc of [url=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUGXQaRlFwMlFulwzNhRdugCehNwtHtUHAPsslGvEtk/edit]strats[/url] made us mald [/quote]
This is actually so much incredibly good information literally wasted on ur team lol. If you practiced the shit in this document over a season I guarantee you would get at least playoffs. If you and the rest of your team just don't care about winning or getting better in any capacity except aiming better that's great, glad Jw is gone from there because ofc a team needs similar goals.
To me, it's just frustrating that players will complain there is no information or people willing to help them improve, when almost every invite player I can think of has or is willing to mentor FOR FREE. The main problem with mentoring is that most people just don't want to take criticism or reciprocate effort into actually taking advice, so as a teacher you don't feel respected and your work feels pointless. I'm not saying you guys have to make TF2 ur life just to boost the ego of some dude teaching you the game, but memeing saying the strats are bad and just not even trying them seems disrespectful to your teammate and his mentor.[/quote]

We tried these strats and failed at executing in almost every time we tried against good teams in scrims. Even jw himself did not execute these, you can watch our process match demo if you want.

Having good information and theorys doesn't mean anything if you can't execute them yourself or with your team. We felt we were being forced in a box with his play style and we didn't like it.[/quote]

strats are a game plan going into the game. more than half the time TF2 is wayyyy too chaotic to get them to work 100% of the time. that doc is an amazing way to play the game at a foundational level. thats why a maincaller exists so the team has a plan through out every point in the game. shocking you guys removed Jw that guy seems super dedicated, hopefully he lands on a solid team[/quote]

He is super dedicated and put a lot of effort into the team, I hope he finds a great team.
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#60
-12 Frags +

The year is 2023, jw is now on the number 1 team in advanced. He faces his former teammates in the first round of playoffs on product. Jw remembering the words "your strats are too cookie cutter" goes into a fit of rage demolishing the enemy team, breaking cw single map kill record going 150 - 27.

The year is 2023, jw is now on the number 1 team in advanced. He faces his former teammates in the first round of playoffs on product. Jw remembering the words "your strats are too cookie cutter" goes into a fit of rage demolishing the enemy team, breaking cw single map kill record going 150 - 27.
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