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cp_sultry

Current Version: b5a | Download
Last Updated: 5/25/2022
TF2Maps Page: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/

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Sultry is a map designed for competitive 6s drafted by PigPig and FlipFTW. The goal was to make a fun map driven by competitive feedback and playtests.

Map has been played in pug tests, but has yet to see gameplay in team vs team environments. Let me know if you run into any issues. (trap spots, clipping, optimization/badfps spots, spawn times, sightlines, etc...) We are also open to suggestions of any kind, we can be found on discord at:

PigPig#8052
FlipFTW#0777

Special thanks to:
Anglerfish Holdings & Associates for participating in map pugs.
B4nny, Walrex, and SIN KARMA for direct map feedback.
The competitive community for being so welcoming during the development of the map.

Downloads | [ Full History ]
b1a | b2 | b3| b3b | b4b | b5 | b5a

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[size=16][b]cp_sultry[/b][/size]

Current Version: [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/35616/download] b5a | Download[/url]
Last Updated: 5/25/2022
TF2Maps Page: [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/]https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/[/url]


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Sultry is a map designed for competitive 6s drafted by PigPig and FlipFTW. The goal was to make a fun map driven by competitive feedback and playtests.

Map has been played in pug tests, but has yet to see gameplay in team vs team environments. Let me know if you run into any issues. (trap spots, clipping, optimization/badfps spots, spawn times, sightlines, etc...) We are also open to suggestions of any kind, we can be found on discord at:

[size=12]PigPig#8052 [/size]
[size=12]FlipFTW#0777 [/size]

Special thanks to:[size=12]
Anglerfish Holdings & Associates for participating in map pugs.
B4nny, Walrex, and SIN KARMA for direct map feedback.
The competitive community for being so welcoming during the development of the map.
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Downloads | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/history][ Full History ][/url]
[url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31249]b1a[/url] | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31536]b2[/url] | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31782]b3[/url]| [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=32363]b3b[/url] | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/34530/download]b4b[/url] | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/34774/download]b5[/url] | [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/35616/download]b5a[/url]
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#2
3 Frags +

the best map

the best map
3
#3
11 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK2xBMyHkdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK2xBMyHkdQ
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#4
4 Frags +

this map is sick

this map is sick
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#5
4 Frags +

goated map

goated map
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#6
4 Frags +

that's sick

that's sick
7
#7
5 Frags +

chill, good map

chill, good map
8
#8
5 Frags +

metalworks supplanter

metalworks supplanter
9
#9
3 Frags +

Map is the bomb diggity. Real fun to play on as just about any class.

Map creators are very open to criticisms and suggestions for the map.

I think the map has a lot going for it, and with these mappers, it could easily go places. :)

Map is the bomb diggity. Real fun to play on as just about any class.

Map creators are very open to criticisms and suggestions for the map.

I think the map has a lot going for it, and with these mappers, it could easily go places. :)
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#10
7 Frags +

I played this map hella whenever they were putting out stages in alpha and this map definitely is next up. Both PigPig and FlipFTW know exactly what they're doing in terms of making really solid maps and listening to feedback from players.

Just about as tribes said this map is very enjoyable for just about every meta 6's classes right now. (Haven't tried offclasses yet.) But, overall really enjoyed my time on this map and think you all would enjoy the map the same.

also demolitions class #1 #1 #1 #1

I played this map hella whenever they were putting out stages in alpha and this map definitely is next up. Both PigPig and FlipFTW know exactly what they're doing in terms of making really solid maps and listening to feedback from players.

Just about as tribes said this map is very enjoyable for just about every meta 6's classes right now. (Haven't tried offclasses yet.) But, overall really enjoyed my time on this map and think you all would enjoy the map the same.

also demolitions class #1 #1 #1 #1
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#11
5 Frags +

actually a goated map. They spent a lot of time on it and they ALWAYS take feedback. This is a map I would like to see in the RGL future map pool (If you like new maps)

also jemond smells. #2 #2 #2 #2

actually a goated map. They spent a lot of time on it and they ALWAYS take feedback. This is a map I would like to see in the RGL future map pool (If you like new maps)

also jemond smells. #2 #2 #2 #2
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#12
3 Frags +

map is fun as pretty much every class that i've tried, creators are chill too

map is fun as pretty much every class that i've tried, creators are chill too
13
#13
4 Frags +

B2 Update
Optimization, Clipping, Visibility and more

Gameplay:
Made bulletblock less aggressive (On detailed walls)
Added underpass route on mid's forward spawn area
Made oilshack on mid narrower (See images)
Made 'skilljumps' on mid less tedious
Added a window to lower on last for visibility
Made cover near point on last transparent for attackers. (super low settings currently will have problems seeing through these, A fix for this will be made in the next version)
Covered up some sniper sightlines on last
Pulled in wall lower lobby to hopefully allow for better bombs (Looking for feedback on this change)
Added hiding spot to lobby

Optimization:
Optimized around 2nd through choke to mid
Replaced unimportant 3d models with 2d cutouts (Windows, fences, chimneys)
(After these changes I get ~400 everywhere, ~300 while viewing larger sightlines, previously I had ~350-290, benchmarked with no players)

Things to look forward to:
Changes based on feedback
Optimization from boiler into 2nd, 2nd through frogbox into mid, and lasts valley. These are currently the most unoptimized locations. They are next on the list.
Detail on last, Trying to add more greenery so the maps not brown.
More theming, each control point will have a purpose in universe. (unimportant nerd shit)
Possibly moving the forward spawn located on mid / cutting sightlines from this spawn

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Download: b2

Enjoy!

[size=16][b]B2 Update[/b][/size]
Optimization, Clipping, Visibility and more

[size=14][b]Gameplay:[/b][/size]
Made bulletblock less aggressive [size=10](On detailed walls)[/size]
Added underpass route on mid's forward spawn area
Made oilshack on mid narrower [size=10](See images)[/size]
Made 'skilljumps' on mid less tedious
Added a window to lower on last for visibility
Made cover near point on last transparent for attackers. [size=10](super low settings currently will have problems seeing through these, A fix for this will be made in the next version)[/size]
Covered up some sniper sightlines on last
Pulled in wall lower lobby to hopefully allow for better bombs (Looking for feedback on this change)
Added hiding spot to lobby


[size=14][b]Optimization:[/b][/size]
Optimized around 2nd through choke to mid
Replaced unimportant 3d models with 2d cutouts (Windows, fences, chimneys)
[size=10](After these changes I get ~400 everywhere, ~300 while viewing larger sightlines, previously I had ~350-290, benchmarked with no players)[/size]

[size=14][b]Things to look forward to:[/b][/size]
Changes based on feedback
Optimization from boiler into 2nd, 2nd through frogbox into mid, and lasts valley. These are currently the most unoptimized locations. They are next on the list.
Detail on last, Trying to add more greenery so the maps not brown.
More theming, each control point will have a purpose in universe. [size=10](unimportant nerd shit)[/size]
Possibly moving the forward spawn located on mid / cutting sightlines from this spawn

Images:
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[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831103520_1-jpg.157670/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831103610_1-jpg.157671/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831103653_1-jpg.157672/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831103716_1-jpg.157673/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831103732_1-jpg.157674/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210831110042_1-jpg.157677/[/img]
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[size=16][b]Download:[/b][/size] [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31536]b2[/url]

[size=10][url=https://youtu.be/aZcViZ_UrCI]Enjoy![/url][/size]
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#14
0 Frags +

B3 Update
Optimization, Detail and overall touchups...

Changes:
Grate cover pieces now use the same texture on all graphics settings (Low-end configs made some users unable to see through the cover)
Finished detailing last
Optimization near valley

Things to look forward to:
Awaiting more feedback if there is any interest in sultry moving forward, Besides that, I have a few clips and tweaks that are on the back burner.
I'm thinking of lowering spawn times across the board. Except perhaps attackers pushing into last.

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Download: b3

[size=16][b]B3 Update[/b][/size]
Optimization, Detail and overall touchups...

[size=14][b]Changes:[/b][/size]
Grate cover pieces now use the same texture on all graphics settings (Low-end configs made some users unable to see through the cover)
Finished detailing last
Optimization near valley

[size=14][b]Things to look forward to:[/b][/size]
Awaiting more feedback if there is any interest in sultry moving forward, Besides that, I have a few clips and tweaks that are on the back burner.
I'm thinking of lowering spawn times across the board. Except perhaps attackers pushing into last.


Images:
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[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210913015306_1-jpg.158695/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20210913014801_1-jpg.158696/[/img]
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[size=16][b]Download:[/b][/size] [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31782]b3[/url]
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#15
0 Frags +

B4 Update (b4,b4a,b4b)
Mid changes, Small fixes, Visibility, Spawntimes.
6 months! Graveyard, zombies, agh!!!

Changes:
Made mid smaller and easier to navigate (downscaled and added staircase)
Changed around health kits on mid
Moved forward spawn further back
Fixed sticky hiding spots on the middle control point
Lighting adjustments/ improved visibility
Fixed odd visual glitches (Above batts/door trim on shutter)
Fixed soldiers odd rocket jumping sightline from last to second (it's complicated)
Adjustments to props for dx8 users
Players can no longer capture the last control point while standing on top of the crate
Fixed blue capture zones being misaligned
Lowered spawn times across the board:
8.5 Respawn wave time (16-19 seconds in practice)
+1 second respawn wave to attackers pushing last (~18-20 seconds in practice)

Things to look forward to:
Waiting for more testing before I start changing last. Thinking about nuking the rotation tunnel / Possibly opening up the leftmost route (window room).
I'm not dead and I've always been ready to work on this map again. Just torn on in too many directions with feedback. (Also lack of testing xd1!1!1!!)
I've been posting experimental versions on TF2Maps.net, Not really interested in bumping threads without serious reason.
Oh! Also, might look into setting up soap dm spawns.

Images:

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Download: b4b

Also new workshop link, Only updating this when I post here.

[size=16][b]B4 Update (b4,b4a,b4b)[/b][/size]
Mid changes, Small fixes, Visibility, Spawntimes.
[size=10]6 months! Graveyard, zombies, agh!!![/size]

[size=14][b]Changes:[/b][/size]
Made mid smaller and easier to navigate (downscaled and added staircase)
Changed around health kits on mid
Moved forward spawn further back
Fixed sticky hiding spots on the middle control point
Lighting adjustments/ improved visibility
Fixed odd visual glitches (Above batts/door trim on shutter)
Fixed soldiers odd rocket jumping sightline from last to second (it's complicated)
Adjustments to props for dx8 users
Players can no longer capture the last control point while standing on top of the crate
Fixed blue capture zones being misaligned
Lowered spawn times across the board:
[size=10]8.5 Respawn wave time (16-19 seconds in practice)
+1 second respawn wave to attackers pushing last (~18-20 seconds in practice)[/size]

[size=14][b]Things to look forward to:[/b][/size]
Waiting for more testing before I start changing last. Thinking about nuking the rotation tunnel / Possibly opening up the leftmost route (window room).
I'm not dead and I've always been ready to work on this map again. Just torn on in too many directions with feedback. (Also lack of testing xd1!1!1!!)
I've been posting experimental versions on TF2Maps.net, Not really interested in bumping threads without serious reason.
Oh! Also, might look into setting up soap dm spawns.

Images:
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[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220120232109_1-jpg.166849/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220120231807_1-jpg.166850/[/img]
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[size=16][b]Download:[/b][/size] [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/download?version=31782]b4b[/url]

[size=7] Also new [url=https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2775471508]workshop link[/url], Only updating this when I post here.
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#16
5 Frags +

I really like the look of the map.
-IMO the spawns on last seem a bit too chokey. Mainly because of the thick walls that make it feel narrow.
-There's too much visual clutter. I feel like u could streamline the map a lot. So many extra unneeded ledges/ramps/roofs.
-There are tonnes of aids hiding spots especially where there are extra gaps/holes in the walls where u've put healthpacks.
I can see how adding all these ledges can make traversing around the map cool, but ironically it also makes it harder since ur always bumping into shit and getting lost. It also causes a lot of high ground to be next to VERY low ground.
Nonetheless it looks promising! Look forward to seeing more updates.

I really like the look of the map.
-IMO the spawns on last seem a bit too chokey. Mainly because of the thick walls that make it feel narrow.
-There's too much visual clutter. I feel like u could streamline the map a lot. So many extra unneeded ledges/ramps/roofs.
-There are tonnes of aids hiding spots especially where there are extra gaps/holes in the walls where u've put healthpacks.
I can see how adding all these ledges can make traversing around the map cool, but ironically it also makes it harder since ur always bumping into shit and getting lost. It also causes a lot of high ground to be next to VERY low ground.
Nonetheless it looks promising! Look forward to seeing more updates.
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#17
4 Frags +

in terms of streamlining, theres lots of gray, brown and white colours which can make it feel a little bland and confusing, especially in the main fighting areas and routes which are essentially gray/white/brick coloured

the staggered ledges and roofs (especially on 2nd) form an undistinguished high-low ground (as flick said) and are way to complex imo, this also creates a huge advantage in terms of vision, because of so much accessible high ground your plays would just get seen a mile away, (think gully or process 2nd, simplistic and clear high/lowground), I would suggest perhaps making the area around the point a more substantial high ground and then removing some of the rooftop shacks and other ledges.

overall tho.. looks mint

in terms of streamlining, theres lots of gray, brown and white colours which can make it feel a little bland and confusing, especially in the main fighting areas and routes which are essentially gray/white/brick coloured

the staggered ledges and roofs (especially on 2nd) form an undistinguished high-low ground (as flick said) and are way to complex imo, this also creates a huge advantage in terms of vision, because of so much accessible high ground your plays would just get seen a mile away, (think gully or process 2nd, simplistic and clear high/lowground), I would suggest perhaps making the area around the point a more substantial high ground and then removing some of the rooftop shacks and other ledges.

overall tho.. looks mint
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#18
0 Frags +

To simplify the abundance of high ground, you can extend any of them straight up and turn them into walls. Or alcoves.

To simplify the abundance of high ground, you can extend any of them straight up and turn them into walls. Or alcoves.
19
#19
1 Frags +

B5 Update
Simplifying the layout and trying to hone in on what makes areas work.
Thank you for the feedback, it all is very agreeable.

Changes:
(TBH just look at images, saves time)
Streamlined highground and lowground on 2nd
Removed tiles building on last, replacing it with an open alternative
Removed aids hiding spots near the frog route, removed clutter from there as well
Attempted to create space around health packs and ammo packs
Adjusted health and ammo on mid to aid players rolling out
Attempted to streamline/remove mids dead ends and hiding spot
Many other small things, Just in general trying to simplify and strengthen gameplay to be appealing.

My thoughts:
IMO mid looks like complete shite right now.
Dissecting how it will play out in my head is nearly impossible due to how spaced out the high ground is. I feel mid fights can only last as long as soldiers delay their bomb. I foresee horizontal bombs approaching any combo low and fast to be too devastating (These happen to be everywhere on this mid). Ultimately the next version will likely overhaul mid, problem is I'm not sure what change, in particular, will solve all my problems. Each time I attempt to adjust the cock and ball towers it just opens craphole sightlines out of 2nd. Any input on mid currently can help out a lot.

Thanks for the feedback guys! Tried to be quick to update, however, some stuff came up. Hope I nailed the changes / am working in the right direction. :)

Images:

Show Content

Download: b5
[Note: Not updating workshop]

[size=16][b]B5 Update [/b][/size]
Simplifying the layout and trying to hone in on what makes areas work.
[size=10]Thank you for the feedback, it all is very agreeable.[/size]

[size=14][b]Changes:[/b][/size]
(TBH just look at images, saves time)
Streamlined highground and lowground on 2nd
Removed tiles building on last, replacing it with an open alternative
Removed aids hiding spots near the frog route, removed clutter from there as well
Attempted to create space around health packs and ammo packs
Adjusted health and ammo on mid to aid players rolling out
Attempted to streamline/remove mids dead ends and hiding spot
Many other small things, Just in general trying to simplify and strengthen gameplay to be appealing.


[size=14][b]My thoughts:[/b][/size]
IMO mid looks like complete shite right now.
Dissecting how it will play out in my head is nearly impossible due to how spaced out the high ground is. I feel mid fights can only last as long as soldiers delay their bomb. I foresee horizontal bombs approaching any combo low and fast to be too devastating (These happen to be everywhere on this mid). Ultimately the next version will likely overhaul mid, problem is I'm not sure what change, in particular, will solve all my problems. Each time I attempt to adjust the cock and ball towers it just opens craphole sightlines out of 2nd. Any input on mid currently can help out a lot.

Thanks for the feedback guys! Tried to be quick to update, however, some stuff came up. Hope I nailed the changes / am working in the right direction. :)

Images:
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[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205436_1-jpg.170846/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205508_1-jpg.170847/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205615_1-jpg.170848/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205911_1-jpg.170854/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205643_1-jpg.170849/[/img]
[img]https://tf2maps.net/attachments/20220324205736_1-jpg.170851/[/img]
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[size=16][b]Download:[/b][/size] [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/34774/download]b5[/url]
[Note: Not updating workshop]
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#20
0 Frags +

Yeah the idea was to reduce visibility from the high ground. Reducing complexity didn't actually matter, even though that's what #16/17 said, but you could have accomplished both.

Yeah the idea was to reduce visibility from the high ground. Reducing complexity didn't actually matter, even though that's what #16/17 said, but you could have accomplished both.
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#21
1 Frags +

I like the changes u've made atm.
I can see what u mean about mid. For me the worst part of the mid is the actual centre of it. I like the entrances.
IMO the really tall fence/ledge on last is too close to the entrances. Its just ultra high ground next to the 2 lowest doors. You can just move it back a bit probably.

I like the changes u've made atm.
I can see what u mean about mid. For me the worst part of the mid is the actual centre of it. I like the entrances.
IMO the really tall fence/ledge on last is too close to the entrances. Its just ultra high ground next to the 2 lowest doors. You can just move it back a bit probably.
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#22
0 Frags +

B5a
Small tweaks and such.

Changes:
Adjusted awkward rooftop collisions that made soldier bombs annoying to execute
Added more clipping on last to block oddly powerful sniper sightlines
Patched "texture bugs" on blue 2nd (Odd hiding spots for soldier)
Improved movement around the map, streamlined some areas slightly
Removed unimportant console errors relating to Vphysics on props when loading the map
Fixed area portal on red "frog box" showing the void when far away
Added bullet block to pipes on mid
Cleaned up exit patio leaving "frog box"
Adjusted all pillars across the map to have consistent collision boxes:
Reverted high ground cover piece on last to b4's cover (Small adjustment, don't worry about it.)

Download: b5a
[Note: Updated workshop]
I think sultry is in a good position right now, its time for me to move on to other projects. I'll come back if anything happens with this map, however that seems quite unlikely.

[size=16][b]B5a[/b][/size]
Small tweaks and such.

[size=14][b]Changes:[/b][/size]
Adjusted awkward rooftop collisions that made soldier bombs annoying to execute
Added more clipping on last to block oddly powerful sniper sightlines
Patched "texture bugs" on blue 2nd (Odd hiding spots for soldier)
Improved movement around the map, streamlined some areas slightly
Removed unimportant console errors relating to Vphysics on props when loading the map
Fixed area portal on red "frog box" showing the void when far away
Added bullet block to pipes on mid
Cleaned up exit patio leaving "frog box"
Adjusted all pillars across the map to have consistent collision boxes:
Reverted high ground cover piece on last to b4's cover (Small adjustment, don't worry about it.)


[size=16][b]Download:[/b][/size] [url=https://tf2maps.net/downloads/cp_sultry.11328/version/35616/download]b5a[/url]
[Note: Updated workshop]
[size=10]I think sultry is in a good position right now, its time for me to move on to other projects. I'll come back if anything happens with this map, however that seems quite unlikely.[/size]
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