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Seemingly impossible to get a consistent framerate
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User benchmark with specs: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/21548395 (TF2 is installed on the SSD)

I have been searching around the internet forever to try and find a fix for the framerate on this stupid game. I've got more than capable hardware, as I can run CSGO, L4D2, HL2 at comfortable frames.

No matter what I've tried, I always get the same experience; A solid 150-ish fps while not in battle and constant drops to as low as 30 in high intensity firefights in pubs and especially in community servers.

- I've tried every single config on CFG.TF; either Comanglia's Cinema config, or the old mastercomfig maxperformance, there is 0 difference (except for Cinema running a lot better than the low end configs)

- I've tried all of the new mastercomfig presets and the client application, still no difference

- None of the launch options i've tried have made a noticeable difference (-threads, -high, etc)

- The force_vendor_id/force_device_id trick doesn't work, both as the spoofed GTX 680 and the currently used graphics card

- Changing the ingame settings doesn't make a difference, as the highest settings perform the best

- Using DX80/81 yields minimally better performance but still suffers the 30/45fps mid fight drops, and all the DX90+ settings don't have a noticeable difference performance wise

- Turning off core 0 and setting the game to 7 threads (8 total) makes no difference

- No hats mod didn't change anything

- The -autoconfig -default trick only solidified that the graphics configs made no difference

- Running Steam as administrator after restarting computer doesn't make a difference

- I've completely reinstalled the game 6 times, reinstalled steam twice, and verified game files more times than I can count

- All power options are set to max performance

- Cool'N'Quiet in the BIOS is off, no difference

-I've updated every driver I can

Among many other minor tweaks that have made absolutely no difference.

My CPU usage never goes past 44% ish and GPU averages about 55% with tiny jumps to 70%. Even with maxed out graphics, temps are fine.

I am at my wit's end here. Can anyone help??

User benchmark with specs: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/21548395 (TF2 is installed on the SSD)

I have been searching around the internet forever to try and find a fix for the framerate on this stupid game. I've got more than capable hardware, as I can run CSGO, L4D2, HL2 at comfortable frames.

No matter what I've tried, I always get the same experience; A solid 150-ish fps while not in battle and constant drops to as low as 30 in high intensity firefights in pubs and especially in community servers.

- I've tried every single config on CFG.TF; either Comanglia's Cinema config, or the old mastercomfig maxperformance, there is 0 difference (except for Cinema running a lot better than the low end configs)

- I've tried all of the new mastercomfig presets and the client application, still no difference

- None of the launch options i've tried have made a noticeable difference (-threads, -high, etc)

- The force_vendor_id/force_device_id trick doesn't work, both as the spoofed GTX 680 and the currently used graphics card

- Changing the ingame settings doesn't make a difference, as the highest settings perform the best

- Using DX80/81 yields minimally better performance but still suffers the 30/45fps mid fight drops, and all the DX90+ settings don't have a noticeable difference performance wise

- Turning off core 0 and setting the game to 7 threads (8 total) makes no difference

- No hats mod didn't change anything

- The -autoconfig -default trick only solidified that the graphics configs made no difference

- Running Steam as administrator after restarting computer doesn't make a difference

- I've completely reinstalled the game 6 times, reinstalled steam twice, and verified game files more times than I can count

- All power options are set to max performance

- Cool'N'Quiet in the BIOS is off, no difference

-I've updated every driver I can

Among many other minor tweaks that have made absolutely no difference.

My CPU usage never goes past 44% ish and GPU averages about 55% with tiny jumps to 70%. Even with maxed out graphics, temps are fine.

I am at my wit's end here. Can anyone help??
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#2
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win+r
msconfig
ok
services tab
check hide all microsoft services
disable all
apply
startup tab
open task manager
right click>disable all on everything
restart
make sure your windows power plan is set to "ultimate performance" or" High performance": https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027067/windows-10-how-to-adjust-power-and-sleep-settings
uninstall all security applications

win+r
msconfig
ok
services tab
check hide all microsoft services
disable all
apply
startup tab
open task manager
right click>disable all on everything
restart
make sure your windows power plan is set to "ultimate performance" or" High performance": https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027067/windows-10-how-to-adjust-power-and-sleep-settings
uninstall all security applications
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#3
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hooliwin+r
msconfig
ok
services tab
check hide all microsoft services
disable all
apply
startup tab
open task manager
right click>disable all on everything
restart
make sure your windows power plan is set to "ultimate performance" or" High performance": https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027067/windows-10-how-to-adjust-power-and-sleep-settings
uninstall all security applications

im getting minimally better performance after doing this, but still getting bad frame drops mid game. cpu usage still doesnt go past 44%

[quote=hooli]win+r
msconfig
ok
services tab
check hide all microsoft services
disable all
apply
startup tab
open task manager
right click>disable all on everything
restart
make sure your windows power plan is set to "ultimate performance" or" High performance": https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027067/windows-10-how-to-adjust-power-and-sleep-settings
uninstall all security applications[/quote]

im getting minimally better performance after doing this, but still getting bad frame drops mid game. cpu usage still doesnt go past 44%
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#4
2 Frags +

Seems normal tbh.
More than 3/4 threads really don't do anything for TF2.
You could try pinning to the same/different modules just to see what happens.
Probably won't do much because your CPU is shit.

Seems normal tbh.
More than 3/4 threads really don't do anything for TF2.
You could try pinning to the same/different modules just to see what happens.
Probably won't do much because your CPU is shit.
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#5
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SetsulSeems normal tbh.
More than 3/4 threads really don't do anything for TF2.
You could try pinning to the same/different modules just to see what happens.
Probably won't do much because your CPU is shit.

so my best bet is basically just wait till I can upgrade? i mean AMD even got sued over these chips

[quote=Setsul]Seems normal tbh.
More than 3/4 threads really don't do anything for TF2.
You could try pinning to the same/different modules just to see what happens.
Probably won't do much because your CPU is shit.[/quote]

so my best bet is basically just wait till I can upgrade? i mean [url=https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/8/28/20837336/amd-12-million-false-advertising-class-action-lawsuit-bulldozer-chips]AMD even got sued over these chips[/url]
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#6
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i had that cpu in the past, its really bad in singlethreaded performance wich makes it bad for tf2
try disabling shader cache on nvidia/amd driver settings, and i'd disable turbo boost in bios to make it more consistent
on my AMD i got good framerate with comanglia stability, you can give it a shot: Download

i had that cpu in the past, its really bad in singlethreaded performance wich makes it bad for tf2
try disabling shader cache on nvidia/amd driver settings, and i'd disable turbo boost in bios to make it more consistent
on my AMD i got good framerate with comanglia stability, you can give it a shot: [url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GcITwEA7f9JUNiTggr0mKf56zoTYCbfZ/view?usp=sharing]Download[/url]
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#7
4 Frags +

Yes.

That lawsuit is about a different issue though. An FX-6350 isn't any better, the cores are still garbage, but you can't sue AMD for that. You can however sue AMD for advertising the 4 module/8 thread SKUs as "8 core CPU" if you're salty that a 200$ 4 module/8 thread AMD CPU not only doesn't beat a 2000$ 8 core/16 thread Intel CPU but even loses to a 300$ 4 core/8 thread Intel CPU. Who would've thought...

In case you're wondering where your CPU ranks (for games at least) and what would be an upgrade:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-8350-vs-Intel-Pentium-Gold-G5400/1489vsm484278
Literally anything.
If you go dumpster diving and find an old office pc with a 5 year i3 it's probably not going to be any worse.
So that's the good news, you might be able to get a very cheap or even free upgrade if you're willing to look and/or ask people.

Yes.

That lawsuit is about a different issue though. An FX-6350 isn't any better, the cores are still garbage, but you can't sue AMD for that. You can however sue AMD for advertising the 4 module/8 thread SKUs as "8 core CPU" if you're salty that a 200$ 4 module/8 thread AMD CPU not only doesn't beat a 2000$ 8 core/16 thread Intel CPU but even loses to a 300$ 4 core/8 thread Intel CPU. Who would've thought...

In case you're wondering where your CPU ranks (for games at least) and what would be an upgrade:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-8350-vs-Intel-Pentium-Gold-G5400/1489vsm484278
Literally anything.
If you go dumpster diving and find an old office pc with a 5 year i3 it's probably not going to be any worse.
So that's the good news, you might be able to get a very cheap or even free upgrade if you're willing to look and/or ask people.
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#8
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sagei had that cpu in the past, its really bad in singlethreaded performance wich makes it bad for tf2
try disabling shader cache on nvidia/amd driver settings, and i'd disable turbo boost in bios to make it more consistent
on my AMD i got good framerate with comanglia stability, you can give it a shot: Download

did this except for the shader cache thing, now that config in dx8 runs very nice (albeit still with the occasional drops, but less so). the only gripe is that I cant find a fix for the texture issues (most notably this)

[quote=sage]i had that cpu in the past, its really bad in singlethreaded performance wich makes it bad for tf2
try disabling shader cache on nvidia/amd driver settings, and i'd disable turbo boost in bios to make it more consistent
on my AMD i got good framerate with comanglia stability, you can give it a shot: [url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GcITwEA7f9JUNiTggr0mKf56zoTYCbfZ/view?usp=sharing]Download[/url][/quote]
did this except for the shader cache thing, now that config in dx8 runs very nice (albeit still with the occasional drops, but less so). the only gripe is that I cant find a fix for the texture issues ([url=https://i.imgur.com/xSgBIkO.png]most notably this[/url])
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#9
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2 things you can try that usually help from my experience.

1. make sure you are not overheating. you can test this by cleaning your pc and running all fans at max speed (using msi afterburner). if this fixes your problem then its overheating issue.

2. check your bios for things that can affect your cpu clock frequency. usually its going to be somewhere under "advanced frequency settings" section, but this may vary depending on your motherboard manufacturer. check for things like power saving technologies (C-states) and things that dynamically increase your clock speeds (for intel its turbo boost idk about amd, just read descriptions in ur bios).

also looking at your userbenchmark results, you probably should enable xmp profile in ur bios since your ram score is pretty bad. also notice that your ssd is underperforming, do the fix that the site is recommending for you.

2 things you can try that usually help from my experience.

1. make sure you are not overheating. you can test this by cleaning your pc and running all fans at max speed (using msi afterburner). if this fixes your problem then its overheating issue.

2. check your bios for things that can affect your cpu clock frequency. usually its going to be somewhere under "advanced frequency settings" section, but this may vary depending on your motherboard manufacturer. check for things like power saving technologies (C-states) and things that dynamically increase your clock speeds (for intel its turbo boost idk about amd, just read descriptions in ur bios).

also looking at your userbenchmark results, you probably should enable xmp profile in ur bios since your ram score is pretty bad. also notice that your ssd is underperforming, do the fix that the site is recommending for you.
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#10
2 Frags +

i have the same card and cpu and i realized i was overheating so i just cranked up my fans

i have the same card and cpu and i realized i was overheating so i just cranked up my fans
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