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Ban Pred and Degu
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#61
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Let's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre

Let's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre
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#62
22 Frags +

Uberchain never named the culprit so even if ppl wanted to they cant go after him
And if you actually felt bad for uberchains situation why would you go about making those mean spirited "jokes" in the first place
U guys were just being assholes publicly and now ppl are telling u u are assholes publicly

Uberchain never named the culprit so even if ppl wanted to they cant go after him
And if you actually felt bad for uberchains situation why would you go about making those mean spirited "jokes" in the first place
U guys were just being assholes publicly and now ppl are telling u u are assholes publicly
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#63
129 Frags +
Muukizxpdid she actually shame the tf2 community or are you projecting your insecuritieshave you actually read any twitch chats or posts in general or are you just white knighting

Muuki. Are you for real about this?

I know exactly what Twitch chat you're talking about. I went into the chat to say people need to leave feedback on Cardinal instead of just going all over the place because Phi vented her concerns, and I was very frustrated about how people wanted to just go "bad map bye" because it was a b4nny map (or a Phi map, which does tend to have gameplay issues) rather than listen to those concerns and give her proper feedback, which is something I also have done publicly here.

You, Krafty, and Ratslayer immediately tell me I'm unwarranted for saying this shit as somebody who doesn't play the game as much, and called me a fucking child while Krafty typed goo goo gah gah baby garble noises every time I said anything in the chat. Finally, out of rage, I said, "I hated that these people were the people I contributed for". You and that group proceed to tell me I wasn't entitled to shit, you never asked for my help, and to keep crying. Immediately, three people on Steam message me telling me to stop getting baited by you, because your group wasn't worth my time, people can't stand you guys and your negativity, and/or you made them not want to go to LAN.

And now you're going to sit here, while Pred thinks it's okay on main to call my Filipino ass "ugly gook cunt", while Degu tells me I haven't done enough and I should have ignored him and Pred, while you try to tl;dr your way out of me actually posting why it's not okay to call transgender people trannies, while Uubers and scn1sla decide to enable that behaviour by posting "sad :(" tweets parodying people's reactions over me finally talking about it on the bin twitter's tweet parodying orgs who drop people and getting away with fooling people that they're legit that's a yikes...

And while people like Phi say the transphobia from TFTV and the community, not just people saying "shit map bye", makes her regret doing anything for the community as well (EDIT: she fucking cancelled cardinal and left thanks), while people message me thanking me for FINALLY talking about it, when people come out of the shadows to tell me all the fucking awful shit your group has said or done against people who so even dare to give a shit about something compared to you. You're going to sit here and try to point to that Twitch chat as a reason to:

  1. slut-shame me
  2. victim-blame me
  3. imply I haven't already factored what legal ramifications are actually doable, like what Degu did
  4. accuse people finally speaking up that they're white-knighting if they say you're being an asshole

After already said I was posting it to Twitter to make people aware that I didn't want to say still and still don't at this point, because of people trying to dismiss these issues as "not the place for Twitter" "not the worst problem", as well as people who NEED to hear that they are not alone and are not suffering in silence as well since I am NOT the only one who has been sexually or emotionally abused or harassed by members of a community I trusted or loved.

Do you think I really deserve what has happened to me, after telling you that you and your group of friends who walked around saying shitty things to people just for caring, just because I told you that you guys were being shitty and made people regret doing things for this game, when they came to me - whether players or viewers - to tell me that you DID make people regret doing things for this game?

Reero uberchain herself handled the situation perfectly by just calling them out on twitter afterwards.

I didn't have anybody else to tell.

I had nobody to report it to. There are no consequences in TF2 for this behaviour. The only thing I could do was to publicly call them out on Twitter.

Fuck, guys. The transgender female players get doxed, harassed, followed around, asked invasive questions, and called freaks. The cisgender female players get sent unsolicited dick pics, have their nudes leaked, asked invasive questions, and slutshamed. People who aren't white dudes get called all sorts of racial slurs and asked invasive questions. And then when people affected by that shit finally find the courage to personally speak up about it, you guys still want to defend the use of it all by telling me "well, fuck, my dude, you shouldn't get so hurt by words on the internet" - instead of actually checking back on your actions and realizing you might actually be assholes. It's like you guys don't realize the things people tell me have happened to them in TF2 or from you outside of your little bubble.

Stop. I'm tired of people telling me people like you are why they left competitive TF2 or want to leave it. I'm tired of you and your circlejerk thinking it's not worth it and think I didn't do shit. No, I don't want people to speculate who or what the fuck exactly went down in my relationships just yet other than what I disclosed. I didn't just keep quiet because I knew people wouldn't believe me, or people would use this against me. I kept quiet about the people who treated me like garbage, because I just wanted this scene - that my abusers also contributed to or played for - to be okay.

But yeah go ahead and tl;dr this one too since you're not going to read any of it.

EDIT: Twitch chat incident is Ascent.EU vs Velocity Gaming EU on June 13 in case people think I'm made of shit, log screencaps part 1 and part 2. yllen and scn1scla also drop the slur "faggot" to describe the map.

[quote=Muuki][quote=zxp]did she actually shame the tf2 community or are you projecting your insecurities[/quote]
have you actually read any twitch chats or posts in general or are you just white knighting[/quote]
Muuki. Are you for real about this?

I know exactly what Twitch chat you're talking about. I went into the chat to say people need to leave feedback on Cardinal instead of just going all over the place because Phi vented her concerns, and I was very frustrated about how people wanted to just go "bad map bye" because it was a b4nny map (or a Phi map, which does tend to have gameplay issues) rather than listen to those concerns and give her proper feedback, which is something I also have done publicly here.

You, Krafty, and Ratslayer immediately tell me I'm unwarranted for saying this shit as somebody who doesn't play the game as much, and called me a fucking child while Krafty typed goo goo gah gah baby garble noises every time I said anything in the chat. Finally, out of rage, I said, "I hated that these people were the people I contributed for". You and that group proceed to tell me I wasn't entitled to shit, you never asked for my help, and to keep crying. Immediately, three people on Steam message me telling me to stop getting baited by you, because your group wasn't worth my time, people can't stand you guys and your negativity, and/or you made them not want to go to LAN.

And now you're going to sit here, while Pred thinks [url=https://twitter.com/DomagojKralj53/status/1026235567158317060]it's okay on main to call my Filipino ass "ugly gook cunt"[/url], while [url=https://twitter.com/degu_nator/status/1026354163096211456]Degu tells me I haven't done enough and I should have ignored him and Pred[/url], while you try to [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/887633/arekk-hud]tl;dr your way out of me actually posting why it's not okay to call transgender people trannies[/url], while [url=https://twitter.com/thebingaming/status/1026278393678110720]Uubers and scn1sla decide to enable that behaviour by posting "sad :(" tweets parodying people's reactions over me finally talking about it[/url] on the bin twitter's tweet parodying orgs who drop people and getting away with fooling people that they're legit that's a yikes...

And while people like Phi say [url=https://twitter.com/baphomet_deer/status/1025337108054122496]the transphobia from TFTV and the community, not just people saying "shit map bye", makes her regret doing anything for the community as well[/url] (EDIT: [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/888427/cp-cardinal-5cp]she fucking cancelled cardinal[/url] and left thanks), while people message me thanking me for FINALLY talking about it, when people come out of the shadows to tell me all the fucking awful shit your group has said or done against people who so even dare to give a shit about something compared to you. You're going to sit here and try to point to that Twitch chat as a reason to:

[olist]
[*] slut-shame me
[*] victim-blame me
[*] imply I haven't already factored what legal ramifications are actually doable, like what Degu did
[*] accuse people finally speaking up that they're white-knighting if they say you're being an asshole
[/olist]

After already said I was posting it to Twitter to make people aware that I didn't want to say still and still don't at this point, because of people trying to dismiss these issues as "not the place for Twitter" "not the worst problem", as well as people who NEED to hear that they are not alone and are not suffering in silence as well since I am NOT the only one who has been sexually or emotionally abused or harassed by members of a community I trusted or loved.

Do you think I really deserve what has happened to me, after telling you that you and your group of friends who walked around saying shitty things to people just for caring, just because I told you that you guys were being shitty and made people regret doing things for this game, when they came to me - whether players or viewers - to tell me that you DID make people regret doing things for this game?

[quote=Reero] uberchain herself handled the situation perfectly by just calling them out on twitter afterwards.[/quote]
I didn't have anybody else to tell.

I had nobody to report it to. There are no consequences in TF2 for this behaviour. The only thing I could do was to publicly call them out on Twitter.

Fuck, guys. The transgender female players get doxed, harassed, followed around, asked invasive questions, and called freaks. The cisgender female players get sent unsolicited dick pics, have their nudes leaked, asked invasive questions, and slutshamed. People who aren't white dudes get called all sorts of racial slurs and asked invasive questions. And then when people affected by that shit finally find the courage to personally speak up about it, you guys still want to defend the use of it all by telling me "well, fuck, my dude, you shouldn't get so hurt by words on the internet" - instead of actually checking back on your actions and realizing you might actually be assholes. It's like you guys don't realize the things people tell me have happened to them in TF2 or from you outside of your little bubble.

Stop. I'm tired of people telling me people like you are why they left competitive TF2 or want to leave it. I'm tired of you and your circlejerk thinking it's not worth it and think I didn't do shit. No, I don't want people to speculate who or what the fuck exactly went down in my relationships just yet other than what I disclosed. I didn't just keep quiet because I knew people wouldn't believe me, or people would use this against me. I kept quiet about the people who treated me like garbage, because I just wanted this scene - that my abusers also contributed to or played for - to be okay.

But yeah go ahead and tl;dr this one too since you're not going to read any of it.

[b]EDIT: [/b] Twitch chat incident is [url=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/272877196?t=58m55s]Ascent.EU vs Velocity Gaming EU on June 13[/url] in case people think I'm made of shit, [url=https://i.imgur.com/qI74Krz.png]log screencaps part 1[/url] and [url=https://i.imgur.com/p8wbnmE.png]part 2[/url]. yllen and scn1scla also drop the slur "faggot" to describe the map.
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#64
8 Frags +
StylaxLet's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre

I believe that was Pred if im not mistaken?

[quote=Stylax]Let's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre[/quote]
I believe that was Pred if im not mistaken?
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#65
7 Frags +
StylaxLet's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre

That's the point, people are going to start calling it out as much of possible so we can get rid of this idea that it's okay. Because it isn't.

[quote=Stylax]Let's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre[/quote]

That's the point, people are going to start calling it out as much of possible so we can get rid of this idea that it's okay. Because it isn't.
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#66
77 Frags +

Btw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.

Btw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.
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#67
-46 Frags +
degu

a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))

[quote=degu][/quote]

a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))
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#68
-45 Frags +
uberchainMuuki, Krafty, and Ratslayer

Send them over for a fast mge, I will teach them a lesson quickly

[quote=uberchain]
Muuki, Krafty, and Ratslayer [/quote]
Send them over for a fast mge, I will teach them a lesson quickly
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#69
3 Frags +
DoomsdayexeStylaxLet's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre

That's the point, people are going to start calling it out as much of possible so we can get rid of this idea that it's okay. Because it isn't.

Agreed but my point is that this shit has been going on for a long time unchallenged.

[quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Stylax]Let's be honest, you hear this kind of shit nearly every day on prem/invite player streams and nobody ever calls it out.

Someone even played an etf2l prem official with the name nig of the nog or something like that, and nobody batted an eyelid.

It's bizarre[/quote]

That's the point, people are going to start calling it out as much of possible so we can get rid of this idea that it's okay. Because it isn't.[/quote]
Agreed but my point is that this shit has been going on for a long time unchallenged.
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#70
23 Frags +
eddie_calderondegu
a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))

is this a sheepy_dogs_hand alt?

[quote=eddie_calderon][quote=degu][/quote]

a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))[/quote]

is this a sheepy_dogs_hand alt?
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#71
22 Frags +
eddie_calderondegu
a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))

he didnt apologize at all, leave your victim card at the door

[quote=eddie_calderon][quote=degu][/quote]

a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))[/quote]

he didnt apologize at all, leave your victim card at the door
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#72
-25 Frags +

The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.

The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.
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#73
34 Frags +
AdnurakThe fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.

Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults don't tend to make such disgusting comments, so...

[quote=Adnurak]The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.[/quote]

Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults don't tend to make such disgusting comments, so...
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#74
64 Frags +

What the fuck is wrong with some of the people in this community... How can people look at any of that behavior and think its OK?

What the fuck is wrong with some of the people in this community... How can people look at any of that behavior and think its OK?
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#75
19 Frags +
AdnurakThe fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.

then maybe you should pay attention before voicing ur idiotic opinion because what was said were not "jokes" it was straight up racism

[quote=Adnurak]The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.[/quote]
then maybe you should pay attention before voicing ur idiotic opinion because what was said were not "jokes" it was straight up racism
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#76
65 Frags +

why are people discovering today that some part of this community is aids ? this baffles me

why are people discovering today that some part of this community is aids ? this baffles me
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#77
6 Frags +

My god, that is so disrespectful and rude. Big middle finger to these two douche-bags, who think they're hot shit by making a joke and using slurs, when in actuality they are cowards, with nothing better to do.

My god, that is so disrespectful and rude. Big middle finger to these two douche-bags, who think they're hot shit by making a joke and using slurs, when in actuality they are cowards, with nothing better to do.
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#78
79 Frags +

People have left and are leaving the community because of the harrassment they receive. Why should they leave, why shouldn't the harrassers leave? ETF2L should definitely care about how their prem players represent their public image, not taking action against this behaviour hurts the scene more than it helps.

People have left and are leaving the community because of the harrassment they receive. Why should they leave, why shouldn't the harrassers leave? ETF2L should definitely care about how their prem players represent their public image, not taking action against this behaviour hurts the scene more than it helps.
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#79
-14 Frags +
StylaxAdnurakThe fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.
Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults tend to make such disgusting comments, so...

Professional football is not a small niche hobby community where getting banned from the league effectively means you can never play again. Professional footballers make millions per game, do you see how perhaps you're taking competitive TF2 just a little too seriously? All of you need your heads examined, you need something better to do with your time than trying to force people out of this already small community for stupid reasons.

[quote=Stylax][quote=Adnurak]The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.[/quote]

Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults tend to make such disgusting comments, so...[/quote]
Professional football is not a small niche hobby community where getting banned from the league effectively means you can never play again. Professional footballers make millions per game, do you see how perhaps you're taking competitive TF2 just a little too seriously? All of you need your heads examined, you need something better to do with your time than trying to force people out of this already small community for stupid reasons.
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#80
15 Frags +

Now that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.

Now that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.
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#81
-16 Frags +
BumFreezeAdnurakThe fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.then maybe you should pay attention before voicing ur idiotic opinion because what was said were not "jokes" it was straight up racism

I still don't care, what people post offsite shouldn't have anything to do with their standing in the league, if you don't want to play with someone because you find them too "toxic" then you don't have to. If it happens in a game then there are already rules against this. This is the extent to which ETF2L should give a shit about players' conduct. If you want to see people banned from ETF2L because of something they said on twitter you're participating in a witch hunt.

[quote=BumFreeze][quote=Adnurak]The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.[/quote]
then maybe you should pay attention before voicing ur idiotic opinion because what was said were not "jokes" it was straight up racism[/quote]
I still don't care, what people post offsite shouldn't have anything to do with their standing in the league, if you don't want to play with someone because you find them too "toxic" then you don't have to. If it happens in a game then there are already rules against this. This is the extent to which ETF2L should give a shit about players' conduct. If you want to see people banned from ETF2L because of something they said on twitter you're participating in a witch hunt.
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#82
-15 Frags +
adyskyBtw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.

Didn't your team's warning for flaming also get removed? Along with other major warnings in the past?

[quote=adysky]Btw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.[/quote]
Didn't your team's warning for flaming also get removed? Along with other major warnings in the past?
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#83
19 Frags +
AdnurakStylaxAdnurakThe fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.
Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults tend to make such disgusting comments, so...
Professional football is not a small niche hobby community where getting banned from the league effectively means you can never play again. Professional footballers make millions per game, do you see how perhaps you're taking competitive TF2 just a little too seriously? All of you need your heads examined, you need something better to do with your time than trying to force people out of this already small community for stupid reasons.

If I said what they said to a player at my work five a side game on a Thursday night they wouldn't let me come again. I don't know how much exposure you've had to the real world, but people don't let comments like that slide

Don't be ridiculous.

[quote=Adnurak][quote=Stylax][quote=Adnurak]The fact that anyone is even thinking about banning people from leagues over mean words on the twitters is pathetic to me. I haven't read any of the stuff they said and I don't care, adults don't try to exile people from their communities for making tasteless jokes. That said, pretty fucking stupid to be making jokes like that in public where anyone can see them.[/quote]

Actually that's exactly what they do. Check the myriad examples of people being banned for racism in football. Or work...

Though adults tend to make such disgusting comments, so...[/quote]
Professional football is not a small niche hobby community where getting banned from the league effectively means you can never play again. Professional footballers make millions per game, do you see how perhaps you're taking competitive TF2 just a little too seriously? All of you need your heads examined, you need something better to do with your time than trying to force people out of this already small community for stupid reasons.[/quote]
If I said what they said to a player at my work five a side game on a Thursday night they wouldn't let me come again. I don't know how much exposure you've had to the real world, but people don't let comments like that slide

Don't be ridiculous.
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#84
40 Frags +
NickstonNow that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.

Do not let this wash over in 2 weeks. Stop letting these issues go ignored because we want to protect people, because we think we can't afford to lose anymore of our small community. In doing so and letting them say shitty things, we validate the people saying or enabling shitty behaviour. I did this too. I'm sorry I didn't speak up until now.

Stop saying "I've seen worse" or "grow a thicker skin". I never talked about this until months later because of people constantly saying this because I didn't want to be perceived as weak or seen as a liar. That's also why people who have been through similar shit don't talk about it either, leave quietly, or blow up like Tagg did when people let it bottle up all at once.

Stop encouraging people with, "ignore it, they will never change". Nobody feels comfortable in an environment where these people are getting away with what they're saying because "they're dumbasses, they won't change". Nobody wants to speak up in an environment like that. Start saying to each other, "talk about it, maybe something will change" instead. At least we know there are people who care.

[quote=Nickston]Now that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.[/quote]
Do not let this wash over in 2 weeks. Stop letting these issues go ignored because we want to protect people, because we think we can't afford to lose anymore of our small community. In doing so and letting them say shitty things, we validate the people saying or enabling shitty behaviour. I did this too. I'm sorry I didn't speak up until now.

Stop saying "I've seen worse" or "grow a thicker skin". I never talked about this until months later because of people constantly saying this because I didn't want to be perceived as weak or seen as a liar. That's also why people who have been through similar shit don't talk about it either, leave quietly, or blow up like Tagg did when people let it bottle up all at once.

Stop encouraging people with, "ignore it, they will never change". Nobody feels comfortable in an environment where these people are getting away with what they're saying because "they're dumbasses, they won't change". Nobody wants to speak up in an environment like that. Start saying to each other, "talk about it, maybe something will change" instead. At least we know there are people who care.
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#85
53 Frags +
Muukiisocial media platforms and twitch chat are just very poor places to start crying about your personal problems,

Are you for real arguing that social media platforms like twitter and facebook aren't good places to be social through media?

I'm not sure if you're aware but that is in fact one of their main purposes.

it's not like im promoting this kind of behaviour

Yeah thank god you don't actively promote this behavior, you only just see someone who is asian getting called a gook and talking about sexual (and emotional) abuse and have your first instinct be to downplay their feelings by talking about how they're thirsty for attention, tell them to stop using a social media platform as a media platform to be social about their life and experiences, and even going as far as to make fun of them for being "this offended" over racism while also saying literally zero negative things about the people she brought up. (which is incredible considering how easy it is to say bad things about racism and sexual abuse)

So much better.

InternetIntellectualThat's right guys - we'll finally get our major if we make this community a handholding hugbox! (except when we have our triennial b4nny irrational hate threads, we NEED those..)

https://i.imgur.com/EKi05gB.jpg

degu I support her in getting justice and getting her life back on the track after being a victim of the crime.

Even if we take your excuse at face value you support someone getting their life on track by taking their complaining about sexual abuse and making a "comedy" meme about how they shouldn't talk about their problems (or even the abuse) online, then doubled down on it in a comment after (really sticking to the "comedy" I see!) even though social interaction and support is a big part of getting someone's life on track and then liking a "comedic" (boy is this some 5 year old low effort comedy tho) racist post. Because that's totally what someone needs to hear when they're already down.

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I know way too many people (from all divisions & behind the scenes people) who quit this game over the past 10 years due to stuff like this either directly or as a catalyst for them from leaving, and it sucks that people are willing to find any excuse in the book to defend their bad behavior - I've even had someone argue that them being a dick was OK because they donated to ToTH.

[quote=Muuki]isocial media platforms and twitch chat are just very poor places to start crying about your personal problems,[/quote]

Are you for real arguing that social media platforms like twitter and facebook aren't good places to be social through media?

I'm not sure if you're aware but that is in fact one of their main purposes.

[quote]it's not like im promoting this kind of behaviour[/quote]

Yeah thank god you don't actively promote this behavior, you only just see someone who is asian getting called a gook and talking about sexual (and emotional) abuse and have your first instinct be to downplay their feelings by talking about how they're thirsty for attention, tell them to stop using a social media platform as a media platform to be social about their life and experiences, and even going as far as to make fun of them for being "this offended" over racism while also saying literally zero negative things about the people she brought up. (which is incredible considering how easy it is to say bad things about racism and sexual abuse)

So much better.

[quote=InternetIntellectual]
That's right guys - we'll finally get our major if we make this community a handholding hugbox! (except when we have our triennial b4nny irrational hate threads, we NEED those..)[/quote]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/EKi05gB.jpg[/img]

[quote=degu] I support her in getting justice and getting her life back on the track after being a victim of the crime.[/quote]

Even if we take your excuse at face value you support someone getting their life on track by taking their complaining about sexual abuse and making a "comedy" meme about how they shouldn't talk about their problems (or even the abuse) online, then doubled down on it in a comment after (really sticking to the "comedy" I see!) even though social interaction and support is a big part of getting someone's life on track and then liking a "comedic" (boy is this some 5 year old low effort comedy tho) racist post. Because that's totally what someone needs to hear when they're already down.

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I know way too many people (from all divisions & behind the scenes people) who quit this game over the past 10 years due to stuff like this either directly or as a catalyst for them from leaving, and it sucks that people are willing to find any excuse in the book to defend their bad behavior - I've even had someone argue that them being a dick was OK because they donated to ToTH.
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#86
-1 Frags +
NickstonNow that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.

Just have some sympathy and be a normal human being
Offer to help if u can in any way
Not much else u can do

[quote=Nickston]Now that Uberchain's been able to call this behaviour out; what can the other players from the community do to support her and others who are suffering from the same issues? It feels kind of bad to just sit here and watch threads like this come and go without no action being taken, like it has happened in the past.[/quote]
Just have some sympathy and be a normal human being
Offer to help if u can in any way
Not much else u can do
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#87
78 Frags +

If you post racist or offensive shit on facebook or whatever and your boss sees it you are fired the next day no questions asked. If you get caught hacking in tf2 pub or a pug game or any game really you will get league banned as well.
Why the fuck wouldnt the league ban for offensive and racist comments as well, just implement a system similiar to failing to provide a demo. 1st offense is warning, 2nd 2 week ban, 3rd 2 month ban, 4th year ban and 5th perma ban or something. Add the same shit to pugchamp as well and people will stop with this horseshit in public. Talk shit in your private discord/mumble or whatever server but just don't go public with it man. How hard is it to just shut your donkey mouth for once.

If you post racist or offensive shit on facebook or whatever and your boss sees it you are fired the next day no questions asked. If you get caught hacking in tf2 pub or a pug game or any game really you will get league banned as well.
Why the fuck wouldnt the league ban for offensive and racist comments as well, just implement a system similiar to failing to provide a demo. 1st offense is warning, 2nd 2 week ban, 3rd 2 month ban, 4th year ban and 5th perma ban or something. Add the same shit to pugchamp as well and people will stop with this horseshit in public. Talk shit in your private discord/mumble or whatever server but just don't go public with it man. How hard is it to just shut your donkey mouth for once.
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#88
-9 Frags +

tbh I feel perfectly comfortable in an environment where people can write words on a screen, doesn't really bother me. I feel a lot less comfortable in an environment where people feel justified in running around trying to get eachother banned because they fell out with eachother or somebody called someone a nigger or whatever. Feel free to call somebody a shitbag for acting like a shitbag but calling for league bans should be completely out of the question. It didn't have anything to do with the league or TF2 so why involve them? Dragging personal drama around in public is an ugly thing indeed.

tbh I feel perfectly comfortable in an environment where people can write words on a screen, doesn't really bother me. I feel a lot less comfortable in an environment where people feel justified in running around trying to get eachother banned because they fell out with eachother or somebody called someone a nigger or whatever. Feel free to call somebody a shitbag for acting like a shitbag but calling for league bans should be completely out of the question. It didn't have anything to do with the league or TF2 so why involve them? Dragging personal drama around in public is an ugly thing indeed.
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#89
31 Frags +
JynxiiadyskyBtw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.Didn't your team's warning for flaming also get removed? Along with other major warnings in the past?

https://i.imgur.com/3VNEWQT_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

^etf2l admin

Also there is quite a large difference in "lick my boot" and straight up n bombs and calling people rats, fags, dogs, worms etc.

[quote=Jynxii][quote=adysky]Btw these are the people that play for a team that didnt get disqualified last season for racism and offensive chat on multiple occasions just because admins didn't want to disqualify 2 out of 4 teams in prem playoffs.[/quote]
Didn't your team's warning for flaming also get removed? Along with other major warnings in the past?[/quote]
[img] https://i.imgur.com/3VNEWQT_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium [/img]
^etf2l admin

Also there is quite a large difference in "lick my boot" and straight up n bombs and calling people rats, fags, dogs, worms etc.
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#90
-10 Frags +
eddie_calderondegu
a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

[quote=eddie_calderon][quote=degu][/quote]

a good intention to post, but it can only cause further harm.
you can never repent nor indeed apologise enough to satiate (((them)))[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
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