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Ban Pred and Degu
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#421
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Adramelek is just derailing the thread and probably concern trolling. If he wants to talk about smaller level trash-talk where people insult each other's skill and stuff he can make a thread of his own, because this thread is about harassment of people in the community not telling someone they are bad at the game...

Adramelek is just derailing the thread and probably concern trolling. If he wants to talk about smaller level trash-talk where people insult each other's skill and stuff he can make a thread of his own, because this thread is about harassment of people in the community not telling someone they are bad at the game...
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#422
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All_Over_RSAdramelek is just derailing the thread and probably concern trolling. If he wants to talk about smaller level trash-talk where people insult each other's skill and stuff he can make a thread of his own, because this thread is about harassment of people in the community not telling someone they are bad at the game...

How is it derailing when it is literally related? Also, there is nothing else to address about this topic here. 14 pages of everything that could be said, for the most part. I would appreciate if you did not accuse me of trolling for no reason, thanks.

[quote=All_Over_RS]Adramelek is just derailing the thread and probably concern trolling. If he wants to talk about smaller level trash-talk where people insult each other's skill and stuff he can make a thread of his own, because this thread is about harassment of people in the community not telling someone they are bad at the game...[/quote]

How is it derailing when it is literally related? Also, there is nothing else to address about this topic here. 14 pages of everything that could be said, for the most part. I would appreciate if you did not accuse me of trolling for no reason, thanks.
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#423
25 Frags +
alfaEdit: As for the main topic of discussion in this thread, how do you guys literally hate on a person that pays out of their own pocket to help with production/marketing of this game?

Everyone involved in the scene has been paying out of their own pocket, whether it is to play, produce, advertise, or even simply attend lans. So this is irrelevant.
The reason not to hate on Uberchain isnt because she used her own money, it's because she's a great individual, and what happened to her is terrible.

[quote=alfa]
Edit: As for the main topic of discussion in this thread, how do you guys literally hate on a person that pays out of their own pocket to help with production/marketing of this game?[/quote]

Everyone involved in the scene has been paying out of their own pocket, whether it is to play, produce, advertise, or even simply attend lans. So this is irrelevant.
The reason not to hate on Uberchain isnt because she used her own money, it's because she's a great individual, and what happened to her is terrible.
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#424
26 Frags +
PredThank you.

Join the MGE server, Buddy. My pal V!s would like a word with you.

[quote=Pred]Thank you.[/quote]

Join the MGE server, Buddy. My pal V!s would like a word with you.
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#425
28 Frags +

I miss the guardian of our community. Most of you have no clue who he is but you're a treasure Keith.

http://i.imgur.com/81NAS.jpg

I miss the guardian of our community. Most of you have no clue who he is but you're a treasure Keith.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/81NAS.jpg[/img]
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#426
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I miss Keith too but don't derail the thread Alfa

I miss Keith too but don't derail the thread Alfa
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#427
9 Frags +

Casual racism was a big reason that I personally started to distance myself from TF2 about a year ago, and it's nice to see that there are people that do take it seriously in this community and are willing to put their foot down despite the many extremely vocal bad eggs that try to spoil the batch.

Big respect to uberchain for coming out with this and speaking for not only herself but also for the many who have had to put up with shit like this for any amount of time.

Casual racism was a big reason that I personally started to distance myself from TF2 about a year ago, and it's nice to see that there are people that do take it seriously in this community and are willing to put their foot down despite the many extremely vocal bad eggs that try to spoil the batch.

Big respect to uberchain for coming out with this and speaking for not only herself but also for the many who have had to put up with shit like this for any amount of time.
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#428
35 Frags +

https://imgur.com/a/prf9BfT

If you don't ban this kid, ETF2L, then wtf? Like for real.

(pred btw)

https://imgur.com/a/prf9BfT

If you don't ban this kid, ETF2L, then wtf? Like for real.

(pred btw)
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#429
15 Frags +

I used to drop the occasional hard R because I'd become desensitised awhile back. The thing that actually made me realise that that was shitheaded behaviour was getting banned from one of the only worthwhile Aussie BF4 servers for racism. Really made me think "Oh shit this actually isn't OK and most normal human beings take offense to this, I'm gonna stop saying offensive shit now".

And thinking about it isn't this basically how you'd parent a shitheaded kid? If a kid is being a turd you pull them aside, put the fear of god into them, and put them back out there. Otherwise they know they can get away with being a turd. I mean this is just basic parenting sometimes you have to be firm to cut shitty behaviour out.

So honestly people with the capability to ban shitheaded community members should probably just fucking do it. Someone actually saying "Hahaha all your MGE hours are worthless how does it feel" might make them step back and think about their actions. Atleast it did for me.

I used to drop the occasional hard R because I'd become desensitised awhile back. The thing that actually made me realise that that was shitheaded behaviour was getting banned from one of the only worthwhile Aussie BF4 servers for racism. Really made me think "Oh shit this actually isn't OK and most normal human beings take offense to this, I'm gonna stop saying offensive shit now".

And thinking about it isn't this basically how you'd parent a shitheaded kid? If a kid is being a turd you pull them aside, put the fear of god into them, and put them back out there. Otherwise they know they can get away with being a turd. I mean this is just basic parenting sometimes you have to be firm to cut shitty behaviour out.

So honestly people with the capability to ban shitheaded community members should probably just fucking do it. Someone actually saying "Hahaha all your MGE hours are worthless how does it feel" might make them step back and think about their actions. Atleast it did for me.
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#430
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Hellbent* [S|Esquire V] Shunix : shes gunna get false on u
* [D|Dame III] iTac : better not come near tempus unless she wants to cry herself to sleep again

Well, at least they referenced to you "she/her"!

[quote=Hellbent]
* [S|Esquire V] Shunix : shes gunna get false on u
* [D|Dame III] iTac : better not come near tempus unless she wants to cry herself to sleep again[/quote]
Well, at least they referenced to you "she/her"!
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#431
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most people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal

most people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal
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#432
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prsnmost people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal

No. Disagree. This angers me to no end. Don't lump me with the racists and transphobes and assume that my upbringing was in a racist/transphobic/homophobic society. I'm a white male, never been harassed or sexually abused and im heterosexual but it doesnt mean I cant feel empathy for others who have been abused for being everything im not. I know how to be a decent human being.

[quote=prsn]most people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal[/quote]
No. Disagree. This angers me to no end. Don't lump me with the racists and transphobes and assume that my upbringing was in a racist/transphobic/homophobic society. I'm a white male, never been harassed or sexually abused and im heterosexual but it doesnt mean I cant feel empathy for others who have been abused for being everything im not. I know how to be a decent human being.
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#433
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#434
23 Frags +

odly enough it seems that in germany atleast the most racist and homophobic people tend to be the ones that actually never met a black, homosexual etc person

people that actually grew up in bigger cities = exposed to way more diversity tend to be more open towards people

but again this is just from my own experience

odly enough it seems that in germany atleast the most racist and homophobic people tend to be the ones that actually never met a black, homosexual etc person

people that actually grew up in bigger cities = exposed to way more diversity tend to be more open towards people

but again this is just from my own experience
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#435
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prsnmost people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal

Mate, they're just silly kids on the Internet and saying shit to people makes them feel better about themselves.

Pretty much that simple.

[quote=prsn]most people are just white males who never experience any form of harrasment and cant feel empathy for others getting harrassed. also its mostly caused by the racist/transphobic/homopohibc society they grew up they cant reflect what they did wrong and see it as normal[/quote]

Mate, they're just silly kids on the Internet and saying shit to people makes them feel better about themselves.

Pretty much that simple.
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#436
40 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/YfKuvWr.jpg

http://logs.tf/1974330

...

https://i.imgur.com/YfKuvWr.jpg

http://logs.tf/1974330

...
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#437
-33 Frags +
yllenhttps://i.imgur.com/YfKuvWr.jpg

http://logs.tf/1974330

...

https://i.imgur.com/kLhTMAU.png
https://i.imgur.com/cNDpqPR.png

Yeah I've known iatgink for 3 years if not more, I think we're good :)

It's almost like context matters

[quote=yllen]https://i.imgur.com/YfKuvWr.jpg

http://logs.tf/1974330

...[/quote]
https://i.imgur.com/kLhTMAU.png
https://i.imgur.com/cNDpqPR.png

Yeah I've known iatgink for 3 years if not more, I think we're good :)

It's almost like context matters
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#438
44 Frags +

That doesn't make it right at all

That doesn't make it right at all
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#439
-6 Frags +

lock this shit already jesus

lock this shit already jesus
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#440
3 Frags +

You shouldn't have said it Thalash.

Ultimately people not to stop deflecting and just hold their hands up to what they've said or done. It's not like you're condemned forever unless what you say is really bad.

You shouldn't have said it Thalash.

Ultimately people not to stop deflecting and just hold their hands up to what they've said or done. It's not like you're condemned forever unless what you say is really bad.
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#441
21 Frags +

https://twitter.com/papiontheriddim/status/1026814921080758272?s=21 for anyone wondering on my opinion

also thalash the context doesnt matter, you used a racial slur. even if it doesnt affect iatgink its still a racial slur and shouldnt be used ever.

https://twitter.com/papiontheriddim/status/1026814921080758272?s=21 for anyone wondering on my opinion

also thalash the context doesnt matter, you used a racial slur. even if it doesnt affect iatgink its still a racial slur and shouldnt be used ever.
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#442
7 Frags +

Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFzvXtEzz6A

Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFzvXtEzz6A
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#443
23 Frags +

just because someone chooses not be offended that's okay then

also lets not start witch-hunts

just because someone chooses not be offended that's okay then

also lets not start witch-hunts
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#444
4 Frags +

Any community, no matter how small, would be wise to distance itself from harmful personalities who think it's fun to be racist, sexist, homo- or transphobic. Even if you temporarily decrease the community by banning individuals who use racist slurs publically or harass others, it will only benefit the community in the long run by making a place more accepting for everyone except idiots.

Very few people actually think racist or sexist jokes are funny, some just use them as attention grabs. Don't enable that behavior.

Leagues, websites, forums, etc. banning people for publicly spouting insulting slurs directed towards any minority would be a good way to start. In time people will learn that you're not welcome here if you use the n-word or harass others or whatever. Maybe start with short term bans going up for repeated offenses, but act on it. And tbh it's not really wasted talent even if they are prem players, others will take their place, hopefully someone who doesn't think it's fun to be mean to others. Otherwise you're only driving the good examples out of the community because they are fighting against windmills.

And I don't mean trash talking, you can do that without using racial slurs. And it's not really like this would be difficult to enforce, looking at a case-by-case basis it's very easy to draw the line between trash talk and being a racist.

Any community, no matter how small, would be wise to distance itself from harmful personalities who think it's fun to be racist, sexist, homo- or transphobic. Even if you temporarily decrease the community by banning individuals who use racist slurs publically or harass others, it will only benefit the community in the long run by making a place more accepting for everyone except idiots.

Very few people actually think racist or sexist jokes are funny, some just use them as attention grabs. Don't enable that behavior.

Leagues, websites, forums, etc. banning people for publicly spouting insulting slurs directed towards any minority would be a good way to start. In time people will learn that you're not welcome here if you use the n-word or harass others or whatever. Maybe start with short term bans going up for repeated offenses, but act on it. And tbh it's not really wasted talent even if they are prem players, others will take their place, hopefully someone who doesn't think it's fun to be mean to others. Otherwise you're only driving the good examples out of the community because they are fighting against windmills.

And I don't mean trash talking, you can do that without using racial slurs. And it's not really like this would be difficult to enforce, looking at a case-by-case basis it's very easy to draw the line between trash talk and being a racist.
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#445
14 Frags +

Since I never really cared about knowing top level players personalities, all I can say is that I'm glad I found out many people true colours thanks to this thread.

Also, I agree 100% about banning these idiots from any league/community site. I don't want them in our community.

Since I never really cared about knowing top level players personalities, all I can say is that I'm glad I found out many people true colours thanks to this thread.

Also, I agree 100% about banning these idiots from any league/community site. I don't want them in our community.
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#446
41 Frags +
Dollyjust because someone chooses not be offended that's okay then

Absolutely not. I've spoken to iatgink and apologised, he's assured me he wasn't offended considering our relationship. But obviously it's still not okay. I've definitely said some stupid things in the past but I'd like to say I've matured since I started playing this game 8 years ago.

What I've witnessed in the scene for the past couple of months has definitely made me realise that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable, and also reflect on my own past behaviour. These are not words I have regularly used, and deeply regret having ever used them. I will definitely be more conscientious of my language in the future.

[quote=Dolly]just because someone chooses not be offended that's okay then[/quote]
Absolutely not. I've spoken to iatgink and apologised, he's assured me he wasn't offended considering our relationship. But obviously it's still not okay. I've definitely said some stupid things in the past but I'd like to say I've matured since I started playing this game 8 years ago.

What I've witnessed in the scene for the past couple of months has definitely made me realise that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable, and also reflect on my own past behaviour. These are not words I have regularly used, and deeply regret having ever used them. I will definitely be more conscientious of my language in the future.
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#447
-28 Frags +

https://twitter.com/thebingaming/status/1026278393678110720?s=21
As you can see, the bin gaming org immediately made a statement about recent events and punished players

Should be there a Se7en one now?

https://twitter.com/thebingaming/status/1026278393678110720?s=21
As you can see, the bin gaming org immediately made a statement about recent events and punished players

Should be there a Se7en one now?
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#448
7 Frags +
ThalashDollyjust because someone chooses not be offended that's okay thenAbsolutely not. I've spoken to iatgink and apologised, he's assured me he wasn't offended considering our relationship. But obviously it's still not okay. I've definitely said some stupid things in the past but I'd like to say I've matured since I started playing this game 8 years ago.

What I've witnessed in the scene for the past couple of months has definitely made me realise that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable, and also reflect on my own past behaviour. These are not words I have regularly used, and deeply regret having ever used them. I will definitely be more conscientious of my language in the future.

imagine if arek/phorofor/pred/degu would have just done this!! this thread wouldn't even be a thing

[quote=Thalash][quote=Dolly]just because someone chooses not be offended that's okay then[/quote]
Absolutely not. I've spoken to iatgink and apologised, he's assured me he wasn't offended considering our relationship. But obviously it's still not okay. I've definitely said some stupid things in the past but I'd like to say I've matured since I started playing this game 8 years ago.

What I've witnessed in the scene for the past couple of months has definitely made me realise that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable, and also reflect on my own past behaviour. These are not words I have regularly used, and deeply regret having ever used them. I will definitely be more conscientious of my language in the future.[/quote]

imagine if arek/phorofor/pred/degu would have just done this!! this thread wouldn't even be a thing
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#449
-72 Frags +

I am banned.

I am banned.
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#450
15 Frags +

I just wanted to say that the people who are defending pred and degu aren't defending the things they say they're defending their right to say it. Defending a person's right to say horrible things is like being pro gun and against murder. I think that most people who think like that are just worried about where the line will be drawn and who has the right to draw said line.

But that is the beauty of owning a company. You can do what you fucking want. For example if ESEA doesn't feel that I am a good representation of their company because I call a person ugly and they decide to ban me then I'm fucked. There's nothing I can do about it, it's their company and they can do shit like that.

In the court of public opinion pred and degu are pretty fucked I'd say and if you want the league you play for to ban players like this than keep up what you're doing and speak out about it publicly. But do understand that not everyone wants that and it isn't because they want to enable hate speech and are in favor of hate speech they just might value free speech higher that you and thats fine.

I just wanted to say that the people who are defending pred and degu aren't defending the things they say they're defending their right to say it. Defending a person's right to say horrible things is like being pro gun and against murder. I think that most people who think like that are just worried about where the line will be drawn and who has the right to draw said line.

But that is the beauty of owning a company. You can do what you fucking want. For example if ESEA doesn't feel that I am a good representation of their company because I call a person ugly and they decide to ban me then I'm fucked. There's nothing I can do about it, it's their company and they can do shit like that.

In the court of public opinion pred and degu are pretty fucked I'd say and if you want the league you play for to ban players like this than keep up what you're doing and speak out about it publicly. But do understand that not everyone wants that and it isn't because they want to enable hate speech and are in favor of hate speech they just might value free speech higher that you and thats fine.
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