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Nominees for Community items in TF2
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#61
7 Frags +
chompa-where's koncept on this list.

I appreciate the kind consideration, but there are far more people that deserve a community item than I do :)

[quote=chompa-]where's koncept on this list.[/quote]
I appreciate the kind consideration, but there are far more people that deserve a community item than I do :)
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#62
18 Frags +

I have no idea how I made it on that list, and even tho I appreciate it, I'm nowhere near the most deserving people in that list

I have no idea how I made it on that list, and even tho I appreciate it, I'm nowhere near the most deserving people in that list
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#63
16 Frags +

upfrag if ombrack deserves multiple community items

upfrag if ombrack deserves multiple community items
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#64
10 Frags +

i think anyone involved with ToTH deserves a community item, ToTH is prolly one of the biggest tf2 achievements.

i think anyone involved with ToTH deserves a community item, ToTH is prolly one of the biggest tf2 achievements.
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#65
TFCL
3 Frags +
Snack_segfaultWhere's snack????Cheers dude, I appreciate it, but hosting 2 ultiduo tournaments really isn't that big enough a contribution to the community to deserve a community weapon. There are people levels beyond the ones I will probably ever reach with regards to community contributions that deserve it much more than I do.

Don't cut yourself short, snack. You've shown a great deal of commitment to this community, and honestly, you should receive some kind of recognition for what you've done.

[quote=Snack][quote=_segfault]Where's snack????[/quote]
Cheers dude, I appreciate it, but hosting 2 ultiduo tournaments really isn't that big enough a contribution to the community to deserve a community weapon. There are people levels beyond the ones I will probably ever reach with regards to community contributions that deserve it much more than I do.[/quote]

Don't cut yourself short, snack. You've shown a great deal of commitment to this community, and honestly, you should receive some kind of recognition for what you've done.
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#66
3 Frags +

i nominate my boy kev for a community weapon for being a great representative of the black tf2 community

i nominate my boy kev for a community weapon for being a great representative of the black tf2 community
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#67
1 Frags +

whys b4nny not on the list?

whys b4nny not on the list?
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#68
17 Frags +

I agree with Vouri, I'm nowhere near influential enough to deserve a community weapon, and I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone else in tftv staff, its just that there's clearly a divide between "helping cover some matches" and "develop something that changed the game forever", which I feel should be the bar

I agree with Vouri, I'm nowhere near influential enough to deserve a community weapon, and I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone else in tftv staff, its just that there's clearly a divide between "helping cover some matches" and "develop something that changed the game forever", which I feel should be the bar
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#69
1 Frags +

hm casters in list. any torrit?

hm casters in list. any torrit?
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#70
2 Frags +
Azazel-I agree with Vouri, I'm nowhere near influential enough to deserve a community weapon, and I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone else in tftv staff, its just that there's clearly a divide between "helping cover some matches" and "develop something that changed the game forever", which I feel should be the bar

agreed, if you include stuff like covering matches for a few months (which is p much all i've done) then you should probably include all the youtubers that get more impressions than tftv and a bunch of other stuff which hasn't been rewarded before

[quote=Azazel-]I agree with Vouri, I'm nowhere near influential enough to deserve a community weapon, and I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone else in tftv staff, its just that there's clearly a divide between "helping cover some matches" and "develop something that changed the game forever", which I feel should be the bar[/quote]

agreed, if you include stuff like covering matches for a few months (which is p much all i've done) then you should probably include all the youtubers that get more impressions than tftv and a bunch of other stuff which hasn't been rewarded before
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#71
2 Frags +
HildrethA lot of people on this list deserve one but it's interesting how a TFTV admin is nominating stuff and not a single UGC and only one ETF2L admin is nominated :thinking:

I guess people who run the community leagues that keep the game alive don't deserve anything.

so you just coincidentally passed over fornaught or

[quote=Hildreth]A lot of people on this list deserve one but it's interesting how a TFTV admin is nominating stuff and not a single UGC and only one ETF2L admin is nominated :thinking:

I guess people who run the community leagues that keep the game alive don't deserve anything.[/quote]
so you just coincidentally passed over fornaught or
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#72
-6 Frags +
Stinson_Outyou shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.

I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.

[quote=Stinson_Out]you shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.[/quote]

I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.
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#73
-5 Frags +

Ultiduo Snack

Ultiduo Snack
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#74
26 Frags +

I'm glad there's been a lot of discussion on this topic, which is what I hoped to provoke by releasing this list publicly. I'd like to address some of the points brought up s far.

First of all, I believe there are some misconceptions about the purpose and methodology behind this list. This list is not meant to be a list of "Community item holders-in-waiting", but rather a list of major contributors who would merit at least some consideration for a Community item. As such, I am not saying that every person on this list would or even should get a Community item in a scenario where Valve did start awarding such items again, but merely that these people could all have a case made. I fully expect that everyone's shortlist is much smaller than this one. (Also, just to be clear: since Valve does not award more than one Community item except in exceptional circumstances, this list does not include anyone who has been awarded one in the past even if they meet the criteria.)

With that in mind, I attempted to construct a list based more on reasoning than arbitrary judgement, and so created a list of criteria to add people to the list. The list of criteria was based on the relative significance to the community, whether there were previous Community item holders who fit this criteria, and whether the criteria could be clearly judged from a neutral standpoint. Once the criteria were created, I created the list by adding every person who fit the criteria. (If you're interested in what the criteria are, I list them in the about page for the list, so check that out.)

Obviously, the list isn't perfect, but I feel that I did manage to cover most people, and I am adding more people as I consider suggestions people put forth. There is, however, one area that I am intentionally not covering, and that is Highlander. Contrary to what others have accused, this is not based on my dislike for the gamemode, but rather my relative ignorance of the scene. Simply put, I do not feel comfortable or qualified to effectively create a list of Highlander contributors based on the criteria I set out, but I would encourage anyone that has a more complete understanding to do so.

One final note on bias: I expected people to charge me and by extension the list to be biased towards people and organizations I have worked with, but I honestly don't feel that is the case, having taken great pains to be as objective and neutral as someone can be while creating such a list. This is exemplified by the fact that the number of people I have personally worked with on the list is small, and the number of people who are willing to admit they have worked with me is even fewer. In addition, while there is a significant minority of people on the list who are affiliated with tftv, that seems to be a reflection of how aggressively tftv has recruited people who are talented and dedicated, and if you removed tftv contributions entirely only a small number of them would drop off the list entirely.

I hope that addresses most of what people have brought up so far, and I encourage everyone to provide more feedback.

I'm glad there's been a lot of discussion on this topic, which is what I hoped to provoke by releasing this list publicly. I'd like to address some of the points brought up s far.

First of all, I believe there are some misconceptions about the purpose and methodology behind this list. This list is not meant to be a list of "Community item holders-in-waiting", but rather a list of major contributors who would merit at least some consideration for a Community item. As such, I am not saying that every person on this list would or even should get a Community item in a scenario where Valve did start awarding such items again, but merely that these people could all have a case made. I fully expect that everyone's shortlist is much smaller than this one. (Also, just to be clear: since Valve does not award more than one Community item except in exceptional circumstances, this list does not include anyone who has been awarded one in the past even if they meet the criteria.)

With that in mind, I attempted to construct a list based more on reasoning than arbitrary judgement, and so created a list of criteria to add people to the list. The list of criteria was based on the relative significance to the community, whether there were previous Community item holders who fit this criteria, and whether the criteria could be clearly judged from a neutral standpoint. Once the criteria were created, I created the list by adding every person who fit the criteria. (If you're interested in what the criteria are, I list them in the [url=http://paulings-pals.tsc.space/about/]about page[/url] for the list, so check that out.)

Obviously, the list isn't perfect, but I feel that I did manage to cover most people, and I am adding more people as I consider suggestions people put forth. There is, however, one area that I am intentionally not covering, and that is Highlander. Contrary to what others have accused, this is not based on my dislike for the gamemode, but rather my relative ignorance of the scene. Simply put, I do not feel comfortable or qualified to effectively create a list of Highlander contributors based on the criteria I set out, but I would encourage anyone that has a more complete understanding to do so.

One final note on bias: I expected people to charge me and by extension the list to be biased towards people and organizations I have worked with, but I honestly don't feel that is the case, having taken great pains to be as objective and neutral as someone can be while creating such a list. This is exemplified by the fact that the number of people I have personally worked with on the list is small, and the number of people who are willing to admit they have worked with me is even fewer. In addition, while there is a significant minority of people on the list who are affiliated with tftv, that seems to be a reflection of how aggressively tftv has recruited people who are talented and dedicated, and if you removed tftv contributions entirely only a small number of them would drop off the list entirely.

I hope that addresses most of what people have brought up so far, and I encourage everyone to provide more feedback.
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#75
19 Frags +

i think enigma should be nominated because he owns tf.tv, although he hasn't played in a while he still contributes so much to the scene

i think enigma should be nominated because he owns tf.tv, although he hasn't played in a while he still contributes so much to the scene
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#76
2 Frags +

It's worth remembering that Valve has already distributed community items to some casters (arx & beta, Admirable, Comedian) and people that undertake similar activities, podcasters, writers, translators, poster makers, charity organisers, etc. There's never been a clear cut set of activities that qualify or a particularly high bar, just drawing the TF2 team's attention in some way.

Really the community items come from a time before the item marketplace ruled everything, I think their retirement is probably a part of that overall shift in focus.

It's worth remembering that Valve has already distributed community items to some casters (arx & beta, Admirable, Comedian) and people that undertake similar activities, podcasters, writers, translators, poster makers, charity organisers, etc. There's never been a clear cut set of activities that qualify or a particularly high bar, just drawing the TF2 team's attention in some way.

Really the community items come from a time before the item marketplace ruled everything, I think their retirement is probably a part of that overall shift in focus.
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#77
12 Frags +
DreamboatStinson_Outyou shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.
I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.

Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here

[quote=Dreamboat][quote=Stinson_Out]you shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.[/quote]

I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.[/quote]

Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here
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#78
1 Frags +

Can we all not fall out over sparkly weapons :(

dummyi think enigma should be nominated because he owns tf.tv, although he hasn't played in a while he still contributes so much to the scene

He already has a Community Scattergun.

Can we all not fall out over sparkly weapons :(

[quote=dummy]i think enigma should be nominated because he owns tf.tv, although he hasn't played in a while he still contributes so much to the scene[/quote]

He already has a Community Scattergun.
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#79
8 Frags +

can't believe he gave damn a 7 but flower boy an 8.

can't believe he gave damn a 7 but flower boy an 8.
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#80
5 Frags +
nykcan't believe he gave damn a 7 but flower boy an 8.

Marx debunked this years ago

[quote=nyk]can't believe he gave damn a 7 but flower boy an 8.[/quote]
Marx debunked this years ago
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#81
8 Frags +
OmbrackDreamboatStinson_Outyou shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.
I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.

Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here

he's saying there's a smaller list of people who are willing to cast/produce tf2 *no matter what*, as opposed to the larger group who have helped out by casting and running tftv and so on. the core guys you can expect to be at every single lan, or who make huge sacrifices to be at toth. someone above said "just casting isn't necessarily a game-changing thing worthy of a community weapon" which is probably fair, and dreamboat pointed out that some people go above and beyond that, so they should still receive consideration. the money aspect is incidental, in my opinion.

[quote=Ombrack][quote=Dreamboat][quote=Stinson_Out]you shouldn't get a community weapon only because you shouted over 12 people playing videogames at a LAN once.[/quote]

I both agree and disagree on this one. I think some of the people that went above and beyond to cast at the lans in terms of rodiculous travel or a large number of lans should be considered. IE. Gecks flying to I55 from NA, Getawhale to i58, Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU. The ones who took a sizeable financial hit solely to provide enjoyment to the community. That or number of lans done should be considered, like Getawhale has 4 I think? 2 iseries, Rewind and GXL.[/quote]

Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here[/quote]
he's saying there's a smaller list of people who are willing to cast/produce tf2 *no matter what*, as opposed to the larger group who have helped out by casting and running tftv and so on. the core guys you can expect to be at every single lan, or who make huge sacrifices to be at toth. someone above said "just casting isn't necessarily a game-changing thing worthy of a community weapon" which is probably fair, and dreamboat pointed out that some people go above and beyond that, so they should still receive consideration. the money aspect is incidental, in my opinion.
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#82
0 Frags +
DreamboatBren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU

I didn't fly out with TEZC + Hildreth for free

[quote=Dreamboat]Bren/Kaidus to Rewind from EU[/quote]

I didn't fly out with TEZC + Hildreth for free
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#83
14 Frags +

all that buzz about whether these people deserve it or not and yet noone hasnt adressed this

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yeah nah this list must be updated

all that buzz about whether these people deserve it or not and yet noone hasnt adressed this
[spoiler][img]http://puu.sh/xPUK4/e0893a7561.jpg[/img][/spoiler]
yeah nah this list must be updated
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#84
-1 Frags +
georgebaiiCan we all not fall out over sparkly weapons :(

It's not about the sparkly weapon, it's about getting recognition for their efforts.

[quote=georgebaii]Can we all not fall out over sparkly weapons :([/quote]

It's not about the sparkly weapon, it's about getting recognition for their efforts.
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#85
28 Frags +

Sorry in advance for being harsh, but frankly this is super dumb.

HildrethYup I am. Read between the lines here, BlackOut Jon is nominated for TFTV streaming only, no UGC admin nomimations, nobody from BlackOut TV, no organiser of two DeutschLANs, no ETF2L admins apart from one ex head admin.

OP asked for an opinion on the list I am saying my opinion is its circlejerk bullshit from a man with a massive agenda against a gamemode. I am prepared to be wrong about things and happy for people to get mad at me and call me names but its pretty fucked up from my point of view that this one guy is so against a gamemode which he knows has many good contributors he can't even mention that Jon has solely ran BlackOut TV for 5 years but can point out he has streamed some TFTV games.

If you didnt want my opinion on the list dont post a public thread.

Holy shit, Hildreth, look man, I wanna start this by saying I like hanging out with you whenever we're at the same event. But, seriously? You think there's an agenda, much less tsc having a "massive" one? Get over yourself. This isn't a fucking video game. There's no "diabolical agenda" or "villains" trying to keep HL down. I was around TFTV when it still streamed HL games; I don't even think tsc was staff back then. The guy just assembled a list based on who he's been around. That's literally it. He asked for input because he knows that's a limited view. That's literally it. Why don't you be constructive and add in your list of people as well as reasoning? It's way better than acting like a martyr on a video game forum.

Funny enough, to me, it seems like YOU'RE the one with an actual agenda of trying to bring up HL at literally any costs (including facts), and certainly with no regards to the future. Why are you such a hater? Do you REALLY think there's anything to be gained from anyone at TFTV (a volunteer org, by the way) having an agenda? Who even has time to give a shit? If you really want to push HL forward, you should take a look at HL and HL alone for problems to solve.

b4nnyIt's the classic TFTV circle jerk now with a fresh blend of feigned ignorance and historical revisionism

I still hope you'll mature when it comes to organizing events, but I guess that isn't happening today. You could also contribute your own nominations with reasoning. You're posting on these forums, after all. Where's that b4nny?

Sorry in advance for being harsh, but frankly this is super dumb.

[quote=Hildreth]Yup I am. Read between the lines here, BlackOut Jon is nominated for TFTV streaming only, no UGC admin nomimations, nobody from BlackOut TV, no organiser of two DeutschLANs, no ETF2L admins apart from one ex head admin.

OP asked for an opinion on the list I am saying my opinion is its circlejerk bullshit from a man with a massive agenda against a gamemode. I am prepared to be wrong about things and happy for people to get mad at me and call me names but its pretty fucked up from my point of view that this one guy is so against a gamemode which he knows has many good contributors he can't even mention that Jon has solely ran BlackOut TV for 5 years but can point out he has streamed some TFTV games.

If you didnt want my opinion on the list dont post a public thread.[/quote]
Holy shit, Hildreth, look man, I wanna start this by saying I [i]like[/i] hanging out with you whenever we're at the same event. But, seriously? You think there's an agenda, much less tsc having a "massive" one? Get over yourself. This isn't a fucking video game. There's no "diabolical agenda" or "villains" trying to keep HL down. I was around TFTV when it still streamed HL games; I don't even think tsc was staff back then. The guy just assembled a list based on who he's been around. That's literally it. He asked for input because he knows that's a limited view. [b][u][i]That's literally it[/i][/u][/b]. Why don't you be constructive and add in your list of people as well as reasoning? It's way better than acting like a martyr on a video game forum.

Funny enough, to me, it seems like YOU'RE the one with an actual agenda of trying to bring up HL at literally any costs (including facts), and certainly with no regards to the future. Why are you such a hater? Do you REALLY think there's anything to be gained from anyone at TFTV (a volunteer org, by the way) having an agenda? Who even has time to give a shit? If you really want to push HL forward, you should take a look at HL and HL alone for problems to solve.

[quote=b4nny]It's the classic TFTV circle jerk now with a fresh blend of feigned ignorance and historical revisionism[/quote]
I still hope you'll mature when it comes to organizing events, but I guess that isn't happening today. You could also contribute your own nominations with reasoning. You're posting on these forums, after all. Where's that b4nny?
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#86
4 Frags +
glassOmbrackAre you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here
he's saying there's a smaller list of people who are willing to cast/produce tf2 *no matter what*, as opposed to the larger group who have helped out by casting and running tftv and so on. the core guys you can expect to be at every single lan, or who make huge sacrifices to be at toth. someone above said "just casting isn't necessarily a game-changing thing worthy of a community weapon" which is probably fair, and dreamboat pointed out that some people go above and beyond that, so they should still receive consideration. the money aspect is incidental, in my opinion.

That was the stance I very poorly attempted to take.

[quote=glass][quote=Ombrack]Are you implying that the more money you spend, the more deserving you are ? I'm pretty sure you're not, but I feel I'm missing the point here[/quote]

he's saying there's a smaller list of people who are willing to cast/produce tf2 *no matter what*, as opposed to the larger group who have helped out by casting and running tftv and so on. the core guys you can expect to be at every single lan, or who make huge sacrifices to be at toth. someone above said "just casting isn't necessarily a game-changing thing worthy of a community weapon" which is probably fair, and dreamboat pointed out that some people go above and beyond that, so they should still receive consideration. the money aspect is incidental, in my opinion.[/quote]

That was the stance I very poorly attempted to take.
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#87
-15 Frags +

muselk

muselk
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#88
3 Frags +

tbh any league admins that have contributed to any league for a significant time should be on this list, the info is pretty easy to get.

tbh any league admins that have contributed to any league for a significant time should be on this list, the info is pretty easy to get.
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#89
2 Frags +

also the newbie mixes guys

also the newbie mixes guys
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#90
14 Frags +

Honestly, it shouldn't even be a debate IMO. The TOTH founders should all get community items. The staggering amount of money they have raised for such a great cause is amazing. Forget giving back to the TF2 community, they are giving to the people who need it. Great work.

Valve should care that TOTH is using TF2 for such a great cause.

Honestly, it shouldn't even be a debate IMO. The TOTH founders should all get community items. The staggering amount of money they have raised for such a great cause is amazing. Forget giving back to the TF2 community, they are giving to the people who need it. Great work.

Valve should care that TOTH is using TF2 for such a great cause.
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