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511
#511
7 Frags +
Twiggyi also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.

clock carried b4nny, blaze, lansky, duwatna and shade?

[quote=Twiggy]i also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.[/quote]

clock carried b4nny, blaze, lansky, duwatna and shade?
512
#512
4 Frags +
Twiggyi also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.

Mixup and clockwork didnt even go to i49...... even then i49 epsi depended more on numlocked then mike

[quote=Twiggy]i also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.[/quote]

Mixup and clockwork didnt even go to i49...... even then i49 epsi depended more on numlocked then mike
513
#513
0 Frags +
megalinxTwiggyi also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.
Mixup and clockwork didnt even go to i49...... even then i49 epsi depended more on numlocked then mike

I assume he meant i46 mixup

he's still wrong but ye

[quote=megalinx][quote=Twiggy]i also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.[/quote]

Mixup and clockwork didnt even go to i49...... even then i49 epsi depended more on numlocked then mike[/quote]

I assume he meant i46 mixup

he's still wrong but ye
514
#514
7 Frags +

I think a practiced youmustmike has the best tracking of anyone in tf2.

I think a practiced youmustmike has the best tracking of anyone in tf2.
515
#515
cp_granary_pro
-3 Frags +

bl4nk is the best medic

bl4nk is the best medic
516
#516
3 Frags +
bl4nkI think a practiced youmustmike has the best tracking of anyone in tf2.

not better than clockwork but extremely close

also one of the smartest scouts ever

[quote=bl4nk]I think a practiced youmustmike has the best tracking of anyone in tf2.[/quote]

not better than clockwork but extremely close

also one of the smartest scouts ever
517
#517
8 Frags +

gotta give best tracking to quad sorry fellas

gotta give best tracking to [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZHOyHoP2Ho]quad[/url] sorry fellas
518
#518
7 Frags +
Twiggyi think the level in eu prem is quite pathetic to the point i stopped watching prem casts to learn more about the game/how to play.

i also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.

I actually agree that i46 mix^ is one of the best teams ever, but if you think great teams like iM/Epsi/Froyo were carried by one player you clearly don't have a clue about TF2.

[quote=Twiggy]i think the level in eu prem is quite pathetic to the point i stopped watching prem casts to learn more about the game/how to play.

i also think the greatest ever team was i49 mix^ and not froyo/epsi because they did not rely on one single player to make sick plays (hello cw mike sheep) nor on scout dm powerhouses but on their actual team play.
[/quote]

I actually agree that i46 mix^ is one of the best teams ever, but if you think great teams like iM/Epsi/Froyo were carried by one player you clearly don't have a clue about TF2.
519
#519
3 Frags +
lighthousekeeping in the spirit of the thread, i think kaidus is extremely overrated. most of the plays he did were both incredibly risky and not highly rewarding. when he does flashy plays like that and it works, it just gives people who arent as good the idea that they should try doing that and naturally being not nearly as good as kaidus they would likely mess up a lot and be like why am i losing. not at all a big fan of his style

I could talk about this quite a lot tbh but I'm not very good at communicating my point in text on a screen. I actually chatted with some prem players about this at LAN, I think AMS was there (although I was drunk) but what you're doing is directly comparing Kaidus to other demos, when you say he's overrated you're not looking at why he could be overrated.

Kaidus is good because he can do what he does extremely well, if that makes sense. He's a demo who essentially isnt (or doesnt have to be) the main core of the team in that his life is sacrificial in some situations in comparison to other demos to make space, make a play or make a pick and the teams he plays in have the ability and DM to fill in the space he leaves when he dies and follow up on his play, so a strong pocket and scout combo (which he had on Reason). So he's overrated in that people say hes an amazing demo when you compare him to the meta of having a core demo, but hes definitely not when you consider what he does and the team composition he has.

For example, When comparing him to WAR you're comparing to completely different styles of demo. A team will revolve around war and his insane DM and follow up on this dm which is what his team is meant to and will do because theyre used to it, the same applies to a team with kaidus in that they can fill the gap he leaves when he dies going for something, which makes his style viable and good, This is not to say that kaidus doesnt have nutty dm, he does.

This is similar to the situation with pockets today, some use shotgun and some use gunboats. A team using shotgun (AMS) revolves around this combo more (evident in heal %'s of AMS and pocket scout) and follow up this damage, while a team using gunboats on both soldiers tend to revolve around something else like demo DM etc.
Sorry for para, hope I explained my point.

tl;dr - Kaidus isnt the core of a team most of the time while other demos are. When comparing them you need to compare team compositions too IMO.

[quote=lighthouse]
keeping in the spirit of the thread, i think kaidus is extremely overrated. most of the plays he did were both incredibly risky and not highly rewarding. when he does flashy plays like that and it works, it just gives people who arent as good the idea that they should try doing that and naturally being not nearly as good as kaidus they would likely mess up a lot and be like why am i losing. not at all a big fan of his style [/quote]

I could talk about this quite a lot tbh but I'm not very good at communicating my point in text on a screen. I actually chatted with some prem players about this at LAN, I think AMS was there (although I was drunk) but what you're doing is directly comparing Kaidus to other demos, when you say he's overrated you're not looking at why he could be overrated.

Kaidus is good because he can do what he does extremely well, if that makes sense. He's a demo who essentially isnt (or doesnt have to be) the main core of the team in that his life is sacrificial in some situations in comparison to other demos to make space, make a play or make a pick and the teams he plays in have the ability and DM to fill in the space he leaves when he dies and follow up on his play, so a strong pocket and scout combo (which he had on Reason). So he's overrated in that people say hes an amazing demo when you compare him to the meta of having a core demo, but hes definitely not when you consider what he does and the team composition he has.

For example, When comparing him to WAR you're comparing to completely different styles of demo. A team will revolve around war and his insane DM and follow up on this dm which is what his team is meant to and will do because theyre used to it, the same applies to a team with kaidus in that they can fill the gap he leaves when he dies going for something, which makes his style viable and good, This is not to say that kaidus doesnt have nutty dm, he does.

This is similar to the situation with pockets today, some use shotgun and some use gunboats. A team using shotgun (AMS) revolves around this combo more (evident in heal %'s of AMS and pocket scout) and follow up this damage, while a team using gunboats on both soldiers tend to revolve around something else like demo DM etc.
Sorry for para, hope I explained my point.

tl;dr - Kaidus isnt the core of a team most of the time while other demos are. When comparing them you need to compare team compositions too IMO.
520
#520
58 Frags +

i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.

i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.
521
#521
0 Frags +
cozeni never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.

you hit some insane surfs/arrows at whichever lan it was that you played with elevate
iirc everyone was super impressed by your performance, though you may not have gotten nearly enough credit when you played with 20b

[quote=cozen]i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.[/quote]
you hit some insane surfs/arrows at whichever lan it was that you played with elevate
iirc everyone was super impressed by your performance, though you may not have gotten nearly enough credit when you played with 20b
522
#522
22 Frags +
cozeni never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.

i think most invite players recognize you as one of the better medics to have played this game

[quote=cozen]i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.[/quote]

i think most invite players recognize you as one of the better medics to have played this game
523
#523
-3 Frags +

One of my favourite medics.

But I'm a noob, so take that as you will.

One of my favourite medics.

But I'm a noob, so take that as you will.
524
#524
19 Frags +

Though this applies in a bunch of places (other games, work life, academic life and so on), it's kind of crazy how some people are held back (in terms of improving skill or applying said skill) by being emotional in a negative way in TF2 specifically.

From what I know of talking to a decent number of players in 6s especially over the years, as well as getting to know pretty much anyone who has been on a team with me pretty well, it seems there always seem to be those cases (whether consistent or people that just have ups and downs) where someone can be seemingly amazing but obviously do not have their life in control/something like that and therefore just drown themselves in unhelpful sadness when things go wrong (beefing matches, getting cut from a team, etc).

I swear there are some ridiculous players in this game throughout various divisions that could benefit from just sorting out real life things first in order for them to focus more smoothly on improving at TF2/things like that if they care.

Though this applies in a bunch of places (other games, work life, academic life and so on), it's kind of crazy how some people are held back (in terms of improving skill or applying said skill) by being emotional in a negative way in TF2 specifically.

From what I know of talking to a decent number of players in 6s especially over the years, as well as getting to know pretty much anyone who has been on a team with me pretty well, it seems there always seem to be those cases (whether consistent or people that just have ups and downs) where someone can be seemingly amazing but obviously do not have their life in control/something like that and therefore just drown themselves in unhelpful sadness when things go wrong (beefing matches, getting cut from a team, etc).

I swear there are some ridiculous players in this game throughout various divisions that could benefit from just sorting out real life things first in order for them to focus more smoothly on improving at TF2/things like that if they care.
525
#525
4 Frags +

20b cozen & 20b duwatna were the sickest players i ever viewed in s16 LAN

20b cozen & 20b duwatna were the sickest players i ever viewed in s16 LAN
526
#526
10 Frags +

Crossbow heals are frankly overpowered, disrupt team DM scenarios in a negative way, and aren't very mechanically skillful or exciting.

Crossbow heals are frankly overpowered, disrupt team DM scenarios in a negative way, and aren't very mechanically skillful or exciting.
527
#527
0 Frags +
Shooshlighthousekeeping in the spirit of the thread, i think kaidus is extremely overrated. most of the plays he did were both incredibly risky and not highly rewarding. when he does flashy plays like that and it works, it just gives people who arent as good the idea that they should try doing that and naturally being not nearly as good as kaidus they would likely mess up a lot and be like why am i losing. not at all a big fan of his style
I could talk about this quite a lot tbh but I'm not very good at communicating my point in text on a screen. I actually chatted with some prem players about this at LAN, I think AMS was there (although I was drunk) but what you're doing is directly comparing Kaidus to other demos, when you say he's overrated you're not looking at why he could be overrated.

Kaidus is good because he can do what he does extremely well, if that makes sense. He's a demo who essentially isnt (or doesnt have to be) the main core of the team in that his life is sacrificial in some situations in comparison to other demos to make space, make a play or make a pick and the teams he plays in have the ability and DM to fill in the space he leaves when he dies and follow up on his play, so a strong pocket and scout combo (which he had on Reason). So he's overrated in that people say hes an amazing demo when you compare him to the meta of having a core demo, but hes definitely not when you consider what he does and the team composition he has.

For example, When comparing him to WAR you're comparing to completely different styles of demo. A team will revolve around war and his insane DM and follow up on this dm which is what his team is meant to and will do because theyre used to it, the same applies to a team with kaidus in that they can fill the gap he leaves when he dies going for something, which makes his style viable and good, This is not to say that kaidus doesnt have nutty dm, he does.

This is similar to the situation with pockets today, some use shotgun and some use gunboats. A team using shotgun (AMS) revolves around this combo more (evident in heal %'s of AMS and pocket scout) and follow up this damage, while a team using gunboats on both soldiers tend to revolve around something else like demo DM etc.
Sorry for para, hope I explained my point.

tl;dr - Kaidus isnt the core of a team most of the time while other demos are. When comparing them you need to compare team compositions too IMO.

actually i never thought of it this way, and you are right. i was just mentioning that in my opinion i think that he is overrated, not because it doesnt work, because it does, but because its very risky and sometimes unnecessary. on the other side of the spectrum, again in my opinion, i also am not a big fan of mumas playstyle because he is TOO conservative. again its not necessarily a bad thing, because not dying is good, but maybe if he stayed in they would win more fights who knows. fully acknowledging that they are respectively prem and esea champions, its just my opinion that i dont like their styles.

cozeni never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.

this isnt an unpopular opinion, most lists of best medics ever i see (including mine) have you in top 5

[quote=Shoosh][quote=lighthouse]
keeping in the spirit of the thread, i think kaidus is extremely overrated. most of the plays he did were both incredibly risky and not highly rewarding. when he does flashy plays like that and it works, it just gives people who arent as good the idea that they should try doing that and naturally being not nearly as good as kaidus they would likely mess up a lot and be like why am i losing. not at all a big fan of his style [/quote]

I could talk about this quite a lot tbh but I'm not very good at communicating my point in text on a screen. I actually chatted with some prem players about this at LAN, I think AMS was there (although I was drunk) but what you're doing is directly comparing Kaidus to other demos, when you say he's overrated you're not looking at why he could be overrated.

Kaidus is good because he can do what he does extremely well, if that makes sense. He's a demo who essentially isnt (or doesnt have to be) the main core of the team in that his life is sacrificial in some situations in comparison to other demos to make space, make a play or make a pick and the teams he plays in have the ability and DM to fill in the space he leaves when he dies and follow up on his play, so a strong pocket and scout combo (which he had on Reason). So he's overrated in that people say hes an amazing demo when you compare him to the meta of having a core demo, but hes definitely not when you consider what he does and the team composition he has.

For example, When comparing him to WAR you're comparing to completely different styles of demo. A team will revolve around war and his insane DM and follow up on this dm which is what his team is meant to and will do because theyre used to it, the same applies to a team with kaidus in that they can fill the gap he leaves when he dies going for something, which makes his style viable and good, This is not to say that kaidus doesnt have nutty dm, he does.

This is similar to the situation with pockets today, some use shotgun and some use gunboats. A team using shotgun (AMS) revolves around this combo more (evident in heal %'s of AMS and pocket scout) and follow up this damage, while a team using gunboats on both soldiers tend to revolve around something else like demo DM etc.
Sorry for para, hope I explained my point.

tl;dr - Kaidus isnt the core of a team most of the time while other demos are. When comparing them you need to compare team compositions too IMO.[/quote]

actually i never thought of it this way, and you are right. i was just mentioning that in my opinion i think that he is overrated, not because it doesnt work, because it does, but because its very risky and sometimes unnecessary. on the other side of the spectrum, again in my opinion, i also am not a big fan of mumas playstyle because he is TOO conservative. again its not necessarily a bad thing, because not dying is good, but maybe if he stayed in they would win more fights who knows. fully acknowledging that they are respectively prem and esea champions, its just my opinion that i dont like their styles.

[quote=cozen]i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.[/quote]

this isnt an unpopular opinion, most lists of best medics ever i see (including mine) have you in top 5
528
#528
16 Frags +
cozeni never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.

how would you rate yourself in terms of picking up plus sized rave girls?

[quote=cozen]i never got enough credit for how good i was. in my prime (elevate), i had really good movement, calls and aim. every team i was on improved significantly. i was always shadowed by a mixup medic or shade on a banny team.[/quote]

how would you rate yourself in terms of picking up plus sized rave girls?
529
#529
Momentum Mod
19 Frags +

The people that care the most about the future of TF2 are the production crews.

There is no such thing as natural talent. Well, like ping advantage, it exists but youll get nowhere thinking it does exist.

There is so much untapped potential in TF2 that will never see the light of day because the game has no more tyrones, is too small, and is too circlejerky. By that I mean there is very few people that are willing to play with players from lower divisions, and very few people that have the social skills to be able to keep their team on track and motivated.

EU and AU teams are worse than NA teams, but are way more fun to watch. Maybe it's just the ruleset?

TF2 is probably the worst thing to happen to some people. A good amount of people that play TF2 ignore the world around them or are in high school so it's ok. I mean follow your dreams I guess but at least understand how futile of an investment the game is. But matchmaking is coming soon so everyone drop out and quit your day jobs!

The people that care the most about the future of TF2 are the production crews.

There is no such thing as natural talent. Well, like ping advantage, it exists but youll get nowhere thinking it does exist.

There is so much untapped potential in TF2 that will never see the light of day because the game has no more tyrones, is too small, and is too circlejerky. By that I mean there is very few people that are willing to play with players from lower divisions, and very few people that have the social skills to be able to keep their team on track and motivated.

EU and AU teams are worse than NA teams, but are way more fun to watch. Maybe it's just the ruleset?

TF2 is probably the worst thing to happen to some people. A good amount of people that play TF2 ignore the world around them or are in high school so it's ok. I mean follow your dreams I guess but at least understand how futile of an investment the game is. But matchmaking is coming soon so everyone drop out and quit your day jobs!
530
#530
-12 Frags +

trying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.

trying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.
531
#531
12 Frags +
eeetrying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.

in all fairness 10 hours over 7 days is like one and a half hour a day. it's really not that much when you keep in mind people spend 3-4 hours a day on sports practice or 2 on musical instruments or whatever.

you do have a point though, playing games less helped me prioritize things irl better and help me socially instead of care as much about video games to the point where i started cheating because of how much being "better" mattered to me

but at the same time

https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/Oc5R.png

[quote=eee]trying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.[/quote]

in all fairness 10 hours over 7 days is like one and a half hour a day. it's really not that much when you keep in mind people spend 3-4 hours a day on sports practice or 2 on musical instruments or whatever.

you do have a point though, playing games less helped me prioritize things irl better and help me socially instead of care as much about video games to the point where i started cheating because of how much being "better" mattered to me

but at the same time

[img]https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/Oc5R.png[/img]
532
#532
8 Frags +

It's really dumb how in europe when one team loses a player during a scrim the team with 5 expects the other to drop their 6th as well and carry on playing 5v5.

It's really dumb how in europe when one team loses a player during a scrim the team with 5 expects the other to drop their 6th as well and carry on playing 5v5.
533
#533
-7 Frags +

I think na tf2 and eu tf2 are about the same excluding "eu gimmicks"

I think na tf2 and eu tf2 are about the same excluding "eu gimmicks"
534
#534
-6 Frags +

my excuse is that this is one of like 2x this year that counter has been above 15

and do you really want to be more like me?

my excuse is that this is one of like 2x this year that counter has been above 15

and do you really want to be more like me?
535
#535
0 Frags +
fade-eeetrying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.

in all fairness 10 hours over 7 days is like one and a half hour a day. it's really not that much when you keep in mind people spend 3-4 hours a day on sports practice or 2 on musical instruments or whatever.

you do have a point though, playing games less helped me prioritize things irl better and help me socially instead of care as much about video games to the point where i started cheating because of how much being "better" mattered to me

but at the same time

https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/Oc5R.png

yea ur right

http://puu.sh/pyiop/41815f1023.png

[quote=fade-][quote=eee]trying to play video games professionally is even more useless than trying to be an NFL player. At least if you play college sports you'll have a kinesiology or PT degree or some shit. If you spend your formative years playing tf2 you're not going to have anything to show for it.

If you spend more than ~10 hours a week playing video games you're making a terrible decision.[/quote]

in all fairness 10 hours over 7 days is like one and a half hour a day. it's really not that much when you keep in mind people spend 3-4 hours a day on sports practice or 2 on musical instruments or whatever.

you do have a point though, playing games less helped me prioritize things irl better and help me socially instead of care as much about video games to the point where i started cheating because of how much being "better" mattered to me

but at the same time

[img]https://b.catgirlsare.sexy/Oc5R.png[/img][/quote]

yea ur right

[img]http://puu.sh/pyiop/41815f1023.png[/img]
536
#536
-5 Frags +

strazy stop bullying me plz i just wanted to play lobbies

all 2 of them before i got permabanned from the site!!

strazy stop bullying me plz i just wanted to play lobbies

all 2 of them before i got permabanned from the site!!
537
#537
15 Frags +

serv0 was a nutty pocket and could have become one of the best to play if he didn't quit so early

serv0 was a nutty pocket and could have become one of the best to play if he didn't quit so early
538
#538
-5 Frags +

Direct hit shows how good a soldier is at airshots Kappa

Direct hit shows how good a soldier is at airshots Kappa
539
#539
-4 Frags +

Demoknight can be useful.

Demoknight can be useful.
540
#540
6 Frags +
Demoknight can be useful.

https://youtu.be/V8f2FKXCyV4

[quote=Demoknight can be useful.][/quote]

https://youtu.be/V8f2FKXCyV4
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