I think it's not fair to compare ourselves to the DOTA/CS:GO scenes because they are substantially larger. Nobody really gives a damn about some random in a lobby or some pubber talking shit which is what makes up most of the toxicity in those other games and you can forget about it by the next lobby.

With TF2 a lot of the shit-talk becomes personal because chances are you will have to play with or against them at one point or another and you will always hear something from them for as long as you're a competitive player. That environment really discourages players to compete or continue competing.

Although calling somebody gay, a fag, or telling somebody to "kill youself" is never an appropriate way to handle a situation (Sneaky at least apologized to anybody who he jokingly offended), neither was your team running level 3's on mid to complete drag out the game on purpose. Let's not forget to mention that you guys also had a huge uber ad. and 3-4 more players alive, and you guys still didn't push, staying by the level 3 at mid. If you can't see the hypocrisy in that then you are also a part of the comp scene's problem.

totally

this community drove away its most popular streamer because of how cancerous it is just sayin

I mean, yeah. I even said that other communities are way more toxic and offensive than ours. But like I also said in that post, they get away with it because they don't really need to give a shit. CS is way bigger than TF2. No one really bats an eye at communities being nasty in CS because if you wanna get into a competitive PC FPS, then you get into CS. But if someone is to ever consider getting into comp TF2 over CS, then browsing the "hub of competitive TF2" and seeing people casually throwing around "nigger" or whatever variation of it and getting +frags isn't exactly going to convince them that our community is just like CS, except our comp scene is much much less popular and not even supported by valve.

I'm not saying tftv needs to be a total hugbox where nobody is allowed to be even just mildly offensive, but first impressions are all we really have. The ball's just not in our court and running around saying "nigger" and "faggot" as adjectives for "person i don't like" is not how to attract potential new players.

Nice strawman.

I'll take you seriously for a second though, and just fill you in on the fact that people have quit comp tf2 because this community can be very toxic, and since this game has a very small comp scene with no valve support, there's no reason to play unless you enjoy the community.

Players in CS and MOBAs put up with toxic, childish assholes because there's payoff and the community is fucking enormous. If someone in this community feels like they're just surrounded by dicks, they'll just leave. And a lot have.

tyrone quit because he didn't have enough from for tf2 though...

homophobia: basically exactly like someone playing a game in a way you don't like

umm no? i played comp TF2 because i enjoyed the game, it had nothing to do with liking or disliking the community, yes people probably have quit because someone hurt their feelings but, to try and suggest that "toxic players" are actually killing the game? give me a break.

name one community that just died because people were "toxic" big or small.

rofl how r u gonna handle trying to do anything if u get upset when someone tries to hurt ur feelings
i get way more upset about losing than bm but maybe i have autism idk

we played the game incorrectly because we lacked coordination and had quite a few calls made that i didn't agree with

but yeah we should kill ourselves

i'm not holding it against sneaky or anything, see how i didn't publish his real alias or anything like that, i'm just saying that really rude shit happens in comp tf2, and that's one of the easiest examples i could find

this is the wrong mindset. it's not like "i want to play competitive tf2, but all these meanies keep making fun of me". it's more like "this game would be a lot more fun if people weren't being dicks"

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And the thread about comp tf2 being toxic starts to go toxic.

I am jacks complete lack of surprise.

and that's probably never going to change

no excuse not to try

Getting people on an HL team isnt the only problem you have, another is making ESEA actually attractive.
Obe's right here. Most of you dudes dont realize that you treat competitive tf2 spaces like your own personal frat. You say stuff like "get raped, nigger faggot' regularly to or about people you barely know. You rant and rage, ignore a lot of common decency, and act like asshats in pugs or towards other teams in scrims / matches. You assume everyone is comfortable with this, and if they're bothered by it, they can go fuck themself.

There are plenty of pretty decent people who find this kinda thing a total turnoff and stay more casual because of it, and saying that literally everyone should be able to ignore it for the sake of 'competition' disregards the fact that the team aspect is so important.

It doesn't have shit to do with trying. The comp community is not toxic. There are people within it that are toxic, and you can't make them be nice. This stuff is always going to happen. There is awlays going to be dickheads.

coincidentally, now your top streamer's title is currently "toxic passive aggressive autist plays dead videogame"

wow, look at all this kindness

maybe its because no one likes u

Didn't people lash out against him because we thought he wasn't being nice enough?

of course we are toxic we fuckin go around bitching about everything and calling eachother shitlords and faggots and fighting all the time

u guys act like this community is inviting and amazing but honestly

edit: really i'm not trying to be a dick one bit, but you guys do not understand how hard it is to make friends in this community. you guys are like a clique wondering why nobody comes and tries to join.

these are the worst posts i've ever seen in my life. i can't fathom how even one of you truthfully believes that toxicity is affecting this game's playerbase

gggly at the top of the streaming list has nothing to do with his title, it's more to do with the fact that nobody streams this game because there's nothing to do. this game was being beaten in viewership by a hello kitty game. and when our "top streamer" does stream, banny, he takes it 100% seriously and is a prime example of the antithesis of "toxic streamer"

moe threatens that he's going to fuck people up on his stream every single day and pulls more viewers than tf2 will ever pull as a collective whole on any given day

adjusting behavior to attract competition is absolutely pointless, because the point of competition is to be competitive, not to have a jolly good laugh with welcoming, nice players. that's why games like csgo and dota, with many many many more toxic players are infinitely more popular. because it's competition, not a christmas party. this sort of "toxic" behavior happens in real sports too, to a higher degree. i can almost bet the reason why moe is so intense and ragey is because he played semi-pro soccer or whatever he did. that's how shit works in real sports. it's wayyyy more intense and if you can't stand the heat you don't play. watch one game of the nba and hopefully you'll understand. and to make this whole idea even more pointless, tf2 is not at all a toxic game.

if you want comp tf2 to grow you can't fling shit for laffs because of the small size of the scene, it leaves much more of an impression. if a new player comes here and reads all the toxicity, well why the fuck would they want to stay, they're not legacy players, they're not in good with the vets, there's nothing for them really. the sort of gang mentality here just serves to deflate enthusiasm and quash real discussion

If you want to compare TF2 to Smash Bros as some posters have done, Smashboards is 100% politically correct and it has worked out very very well for them. it's a very fun community without being, like, whitebread. if someone complains about a character, they are laughed away instead of here where people just love to jack off to pyro hate for example (which is actually really anti-competitive in the first place). even if you don't really believe that, you'd have to be stupid not to realize posting it on a public forum is a bad idea

You basically have to ask yourself if you want to keep veteran TF2 players around or introduce new blood onto the scene, because finding a happy medium seems to be impossible. If it's the latter, sacrifices and changes will have to be made. somehow i don't think the majority of players actually want that though. they want to keep 6s a social thing, and keep it the same.

I guess the point is the central hub for comp TF2 doesn't act like it.

I come from smash and FGC. the crowd will literally be right behind you, at times. you will not have space between them, and you will get fucking yelled at

if you think spouting sexual abuse every time you hit someone in TF2 is competition, I don't want your kind of competition

this forum is just about as politically correct as smashboards. you must not know much about that community at all if you think it's 100% politically correct

rofl you can literally read posts by people like westballz and mango that would make you think it's by far worse than anything you've read here. ive read threads surrounding the hate around a transgendered person

the reason it worked out for smash is because A) they were extremely lucky and B) smash is like a novelty game. there aren't many people in the world who don't have a nice memory about playing melee as a kid. they all like it and theyre all familiar with it, which is why it gets like hundreds of thousands of viewers for evo. smash also has a very supportive community, but seriously it's not worlds ahead of ours by any means

Not shit talking is fucking boring. The funnest Dota games are when the other team talks shit.

basically you have to realize the idea of "toxicity" will keep some players away, but they weren't going to be the players who were going to get to the top regardless

that's why you see games like csgo being so toxic. people play it to be the best and improve. the game has sponsors for fuck's sake and it's still toxic as all hell. ibuypower is a real company and they sponsored steel who called people cunts and retards and [use your imagination] every other streaming session. iBP steel tho!

i'm not saying everyone being the most supportive and nice they can be won't entice some people to join the community, but it's a futile attempt at fueling competition. surprisingly, competition and drive to be the best are what you need for a competitive game to flourish. and sponsors/money.

o yeah i meant the smash 4 section. live games are also different. shit talking is funny but you can't really risk much if you want new blood. because that ends up attracting the snotty pubstar hybrids instead of the players you desire.

shittalk weeds out the weak
competition does not welcome the weak

it's not being weak- it's not wanting to put up with shitheads as outlined in this thread.

PS: in real sports, you get shitcanned in an instant for being racist, so perhaps it's better to not make that comparison