clckwrkI think the conversation is way past whether or not it's advantageous. It very clearly is and that's really not arguable. At this point if you're not going to implement the fix or ban the weapon the argument has to be that demo needs the slight buff.
I think the better argument is that it legitimately doesn't change the game a ton, otherwise it would have been a more prominent issue in the 6(?) years since it's been released. It would be akin to playing on a slightly slow server that gives +5 ping to everyone compared to a standard server at that location. Yes it makes a difference, but is it a difference that is legitimately worth arguing over?
- I would argue yes? Clearly it's worth arguing over, it's what everyone is doing
- Someone in habib's chat just 2 days ago said "demos seem more pipe heavy these days" and habib's answer was "with the iron bomber yes." He doesn't speak for the entirety of the demo playerbase but it can absolutely make the game more pipe heavy, but not necessarily for the right reason.
- What's your definition of "a ton?" demos aren't walking around killing the entire server unless they're the best players in the game, but it can have an effect on the game. What's ban-worthy? If it only affects the game a ton? What about a gigaton? What about "a good amount?" A fair amount? IDK. It's a pretty clear advantage as a hitbox and the fix already exists. If it doesn't affect the game a ton, why not just use the fix?
- I don't know what kind of comparison this is that you used with the whole ping thing. This doesn't strengthen your point or make it any clearer. Like, let me just imagine I'm playing on a slightly slow server that gives +5 ping to everyone so I can make sense of the difference? If you have to go to weird explanations like this maybe the answer isn't as clear as you think it is
edit: also to clear things up on my end, my official stance on the issue is that it is only worth keeping because demo needs the buff to his primary weapon. It would be preferred to buff stock but maybe that's just wishful thinking. At least with a buffed stock hitbox, everything would appear more 1:1
I do think it's ridiculous that people are arguing it doesn't make a difference or isn't a big enough difference worth arguing over. Okay, then let's just implement the fix or ban the weapon, right? What's the big deal? It's just needlessly disingenuous when all you have to do is argue instead that demo needs the added consistency with the iron bomber.