you arent

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i looked at everyone to see who's going up against the wall first

I looked everyone as well, it's not because we'r not answering something that it's not interesting ...

But nobody benefits from it. There's no meaningful discussion and everyone just answered 117 questions to no effect whatsoever.

and communism isn't?

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Pretty much what I thought, I'm not the most decisive person on these issues and still am trying to figure out and understand some of these issues.

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wow

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nobody benefits from political discussion on tftv anyway

u realize communism is a conceptual utopia, right?

do utopias exist? no.
were previous communist states utopias? fuck no.

also, keyword is conceptional. it doesn't work when applied. i wouldn't even regard the concept of it in the same realm as a "utopia."

u might wanna look up the etymology of the word Utopia, then
(Hint: it's communism. More is a deal in the history of leftwing thought)

like i said, they don't exist. the original concept of the etymology is from a socio-political satire novel about an unrealistically perfect society.

furthermore, what does a word's etymology have to do with its ideology and application? you're grasping at straws.

i'm also curious as to what's so appealing about the idea of communism overriding capitalism. if we look at previous cases, best known being the ussr, why would anybody willingly accept that type of government? genuinely curious.

no no you dont understand! communism is a theoretically infallible system, every previous "communist" nation that has failed in fulfilling their most basic function as a state was in reality just evil STATE CAPITALISM!
EVERY DEVOUT IDEOLOGUE AGREES ON THIS SCIENTIFIC FACT!

if ur so genuinely curious that u'd type that nerd essay but didn't even take the time to read a 150 year old paperback im not gonna be able to help u
but the fact u think communism has a government is l o l

this is now a communist dog thread

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capitalist cats not allowed

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Utopia can mean almost anything. It could just as easily be argued that the Austrian school of economic thought is too a Utopia - hell Spinoza spent a hell of a lot of time conceptualizing a Utopia that looks fairly similar to the "ideal" capitalist society that one can find in bare-bones readings of Adam Smith.

I should also point out that a majority of Russians want their communism back. http://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-fond-lenin-and-regret-soviet-collapse-449624 Likewise I should point out that a referendum was held prior to the collapse of the USSR and the "don't dissolve the USSR" option won, but that was ultimately ignored.

57% of former East Germans polled also responded that they had a "good life; though flawed, the DDR had more good sides than bad" mind you that's in the DDR, so former socialist projects were hardly the dystopian catastrophe that they're portrayed to be in the eyes of people who lived it.

Although it's a favorite debating tactic, it's as intellectually unfair to actual existing captalism to liken Pinochet's Chile to every state which, more or less, relies on a capitalist mode of production. Political economy is infinitely more complicated than that.

In much the same way that saying "lol those socialist states weren't really communist- they don't count" is also intellectually dishonest - it's a cover for ignorance. Sure, they did/do bad things and made/make mistakes from time to time, but they were certainly *trying* to achieve the goal of a socialist/communist society in almost every case (it would be easy to cherry pick a few examples where dictatorships utilized socialist/communist rhetoric to their own ends, but I'd argue that's not a significant case in the overall experience of socialist states).

But here is a question for ya' kevchev - if big government ultimately = worse government. What are economies of scale and why do they magically not happen when applied to government, but do in every other case?

i'm not reading the communist manifesto. i've already had to read parts for courses and it's bleh. i want to know what you find so acceptable in communism; not what those 150 years thought.

prepare to flip ur desk old man, took me a while but now it makes crystal clear perfect sense. follow along and i will explain/debunk why scalability still applies to a gov, that is my thesis. a businesses in the economy will boom with revenue because their incentive or goal is to increase revenue and do better. a government's incentive or goal is that it works towards protecting rights and freedoms. if a business wants to scale up they become capable of hiring more employees so that they can profit more. the civilians in a society profit/benefit more when freedom is maximised meaning the weaker the authority the more overall freedom. this demonstrates how government's size is scalable twords what is optimal. in their case it just happens to be in the opposite direction of growing; shrinking

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Are communist cats fine?
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I've mostly just been shitposting so far, but here's an actual thoughtpost (though uncurated)

1. I believe capitalism is inherently exploitative. Not gonna explain why, as thousands of well-regarded pages on the subject already exist.
2. To suggest capitalism is the best economic system possible when the economy has only existed for 200~20000 years (depending on where you wanna start) is optimistic. If you view economics as the efficient sharing of resources, suggesting we developed an optimal solution after such a short time belies a lack of creativity. Communism might not be more efficient, but the current market is unlikely to be optimal either. Therefore, we should be moving away from capitalism.
3. Communism offers an idea of a society that I think is more egalitarian while rewarding work. Under capitalism, work is not tied to income, allowing the existence of classes of people propped up by the working class. The veil of ignorance covers most of my belief here, but in general I think the entire idea of heritable social-class is something we (global we) should be working to move past. Humans are probably smart enough (or will be) to figure out a way to make things fair in the future. The great trend in western society has been away from hierarchy over the past 200 years, and I'd like that to continue. Abolishing states and social class are unlikely in my life-time, but I'd like to start paving the way where possible.
3.5. The current distribution of wealth is dumb. Really the entire idea of money is an inexact abstraction to keep track of who's socially "worthy" of staying alive, and the faster we can move past that the better.

You should finish reading Marx because regardless of if you agree with his solution, his critiques are still relevant today. There's a reason plenty of liberal and right-wing sociologists continue to use his frameworks to understand class structures in capitalist societies. Reading in general is cool, and if nothing else understanding anti-capitalist thought will help you understand capitalism better.

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