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Can internet speed affect my ping to the servers?
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If not, what can?

Title
If not, what can?
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unless u have obscenely low up and down speeds, I dont think so

unless u have obscenely low up and down speeds, I dont think so
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no it's more about how far you are physically from the server and the routing of your ISP

If you get 40 ping to chicago with your ISP and they give you faster download/upload you will still generally get 40 ping. If you changed ISP it's possible you could have more or less due to different routing.

no it's more about how far you are physically from the server and the routing of your ISP

If you get 40 ping to chicago with your ISP and they give you faster download/upload you will still generally get 40 ping. If you changed ISP it's possible you could have more or less due to different routing.
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Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers

Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers
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Rhettro~40 ping to EU servers

how in the world

[quote=Rhettro]~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]
how in the world
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Rhettro I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers

whaaat?

[quote=Rhettro] I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

whaaat?
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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+long+does+it+take+to+travel+from+dallas+texas+to+germany+at+the+speed+of+light

https://i.imgur.com/yLJWGaB.png

i don't really believe you, proof pls

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+long+does+it+take+to+travel+from+dallas+texas+to+germany+at+the+speed+of+light

[img]https://i.imgur.com/yLJWGaB.png[/img]

i don't really believe you, proof pls
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RhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers

[quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers
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I remember playing on duwatna's pc at an ESEA LAN and getting like 30 ping to a new york pub for some reason. Doubt it's 40 to EU but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still pretty good.

I remember playing on duwatna's pc at an ESEA LAN and getting like 30 ping to a new york pub for some reason. Doubt it's 40 to EU but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still pretty good.
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valkeriRhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers
no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers[/quote]

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.
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RhettrovalkeriRhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers
no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.

The transmission delay improves with higher bandwidth, propagation delay does not so there is a very limited truth to what you are saying especially with small packets

[quote=Rhettro][quote=valkeri][quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers[/quote]

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.[/quote]
The transmission delay improves with higher bandwidth, propagation delay does not so there is a very limited truth to what you are saying especially with small packets
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i have no idea if it actually helps but i do know that a few years ago i had 1.5 down and 0.5 up and i'd get 60 ish ping to most european servers and since i moved i have 10 down and 1.7 up and get 50 ish ping so i guess thats something but it could be something else affecting it i guess

i have no idea if it actually helps but i do know that a few years ago i had 1.5 down and 0.5 up and i'd get 60 ish ping to most european servers and since i moved i have 10 down and 1.7 up and get 50 ish ping so i guess thats something but it could be something else affecting it i guess
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I get 40 ping to Dallas servers when nobody else at my house is home and I have 3 down and 0.4 up. I live in Colorado.

I get 40 ping to Dallas servers when nobody else at my house is home and I have 3 down and 0.4 up. I live in Colorado.
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RhettrovalkeriRhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers
no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.

also in austin and also have gigabyte internet, but i've never pinged that low to europe. lowest I ever got was 85. 40 is nuts

[quote=Rhettro][quote=valkeri][quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers[/quote]

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.[/quote]
also in austin and also have gigabyte internet, but i've never pinged that low to europe. lowest I ever got was 85. 40 is nuts
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If you think your bandwith improves your ping, you should save the money on gigabit internet, move into a cave and hunt mammoths for a living.

If you think your bandwith improves your ping, you should save the money on gigabit internet, move into a cave and hunt mammoths for a living.
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I get less than 1 up and down and I still ping 30 to Chicago and 60 from Dallas

I get less than 1 up and down and I still ping 30 to Chicago and 60 from Dallas
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I like how everyone is ignoring that
1. Most of the time is actually lost because of the routers and other stuff on the way, the packets barely spend half the time actually traveling through fiber and the rest in between.
2. No matter whether the last mile is fiber or DSL anything traveling from Texas to Europe will spend 80% of the way on the same couple of routes, all with similar latency.

Anyway, as much as I'm in favour of derailing a thread when I'm doing it, let's get back to OP's questions.
Short answers:
1. No.
2: Stuff™.

Longer answers:
1. It shouldn't (see #2), but your type of connection and the ISP can.
2. I'm assuming you're asking because you want lower ping, but I'd really need more information to answer this properly.

EDIT: #15
What is the average bandwidth of a mammoth? Are we talking American/Imperial or European/Metric mammoths?

I like how everyone is ignoring that
1. Most of the time is actually lost because of the routers and other stuff on the way, the packets barely spend half the time actually traveling through fiber and the rest in between.
2. No matter whether the last mile is fiber or DSL anything traveling from Texas to Europe will spend 80% of the way on the same couple of routes, all with similar latency.

Anyway, as much as I'm in favour of derailing a thread when I'm doing it, let's get back to OP's questions.
Short answers:
1. No.
2: Stuff™.

Longer answers:
1. It shouldn't (see #2), but your type of connection and the ISP can.
2. I'm assuming you're asking because you want lower ping, but I'd really need more information to answer this properly.

EDIT: #15
What is the average bandwidth of a mammoth? Are we talking American/Imperial or European/Metric mammoths?
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A long time ago, I had 768kbit download speeds and god knows what my upload was. I still had decent ping. If someone loaded a webpage up, it'd cause my ping to spike to ~400ms. If another person went to join the same server as me, we'd both have ~100ms or so each. So, unless your bandwidth is extremely shit, it shouldn't affect your ping.

A long time ago, I had 768kbit download speeds and god knows what my upload was. I still had decent ping. If someone loaded a webpage up, it'd cause my ping to spike to ~400ms. If another person went to join the same server as me, we'd both have ~100ms or so each. So, unless your bandwidth is extremely shit, it shouldn't affect your ping.
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I dont know if this is relevant but i have 7 down and have huge ping spikes when people in my house watch youtube. When people arent streaming videos i get stable 40 ping to france.

I dont know if this is relevant but i have 7 down and have huge ping spikes when people in my house watch youtube. When people arent streaming videos i get stable 40 ping to france.
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That's because with that little bandwidth, your connection is completely saturated when someone watches YouTube. So then you won't have enough bandwidth to play tf2.

That's because with that little bandwidth, your connection is completely saturated when someone watches YouTube. So then you won't have enough bandwidth to play tf2.
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The type of connection you have can affect ping, but it's not the speed itself affecting the ping, If the fibre goes literally to your home then yes you should ping lower because you'll have the connection travelling more quickly for a longer amount of time, but it doesn't mean that the bandwidth is affecting the ping.
I also strongly doubt #4's claim. On uni internet with extremely good routing in the UK here and the lowest I've ever had is 60 ping to a few NY servers, with 80 being more common.

The type of connection you have can affect ping, but it's not the speed itself affecting the ping, If the fibre goes literally to your home then yes you should ping lower because you'll have the connection travelling more quickly for a longer amount of time, but it doesn't mean that the bandwidth is affecting the ping.
I also strongly doubt #4's claim. On uni internet with extremely good routing in the UK here and the lowest I've ever had is 60 ping to a few NY servers, with 80 being more common.
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RhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers

i cant even get 50 ping to washington servers from seattle :(

[quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

i cant even get 50 ping to washington servers from seattle :(
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Only if your bandwidth is being used by other people on your network

Only if your bandwidth is being used by other people on your network
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Sometimes when I played at like 3-5 am I had ~30 lower ping than usual to us servers, so time of the day plays a role as well

Sometimes when I played at like 3-5 am I had ~30 lower ping than usual to us servers, so time of the day plays a role as well
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RhettrovalkeriRhettroWell I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers
no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.

Hi, it's been over 24 hours, where's this proof?

[quote=Rhettro][quote=valkeri][quote=Rhettro]Well I would assume so, considering that I have gigabyte Internet and I live in Texas, but I can still get ~40 ping to EU servers[/quote]

no way this is real, i live just a bit north of dallas and get 40 ping to dallas servers, 100+ if its esea servers[/quote]

I get 5-10 to Dallas servers (and I'm in Austin), I'll prove it when I get home, and it's because gigabyte Internet is a godly thing.[/quote]
Hi, it's been over 24 hours, where's this proof?
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spammyTitle
If not, what can?

ISP's often will advertise "high speed internet" but they are actually using the term poorly.

Your connection to the internet is like water flowing down a stream or river. You can either have a small stream that moves water at 5mph, or a large river that moves water at 5mph. If you put a paper boat in the stream or big river, both will move at the same speed. If all you need to do is move a single paper boat, the stream is just fine. TF2 and most other games (when you are not downloading maps or mods or updates) requires very little bandwidth to run, and are like the paper boat, they will travel at the same speed in the stream or river. However if you want to move a large container ship or 100's of paper boats at the same time, you are going to need a river.

Basically if you have a stable and reliable connection, the ISP's "speed" such as 50Mbps download vs 5Mbps download will make zero difference in your ping. However, if you have multiple people streaming youtube or netflix at the same time, you will very quickly and easily use up that 5Mbps causing high ping. What can also cause high ping though is a shitty router in conjunction with multiple people using the internet at the same time for various tasks.

And then there is also the whole ISP routing to the server that can have a dramatic difference in your ping. They can take very efficient direct paths to the server, or they can bounce you all over the country or state prior to you reaching your destination.

If you run net_graph you can see the constant kb/s speed the game is using up and down. It's very low like maybe 30-50 Kb/s.

[quote=spammy]Title
If not, what can?[/quote]

ISP's often will advertise "high speed internet" but they are actually using the term poorly.

Your connection to the internet is like water flowing down a stream or river. You can either have a small stream that moves water at 5mph, or a large river that moves water at 5mph. If you put a paper boat in the stream or big river, both will move at the same speed. If all you need to do is move a single paper boat, the stream is just fine. TF2 and most other games (when you are not downloading maps or mods or updates) requires very little bandwidth to run, and are like the paper boat, they will travel at the same speed in the stream or river. However if you want to move a large container ship or 100's of paper boats at the same time, you are going to need a river.

Basically if you have a stable and reliable connection, the ISP's "speed" such as 50Mbps download vs 5Mbps download will make zero difference in your ping. However, if you have multiple people streaming youtube or netflix at the same time, you will very quickly and easily use up that 5Mbps causing high ping. What can also cause high ping though is a shitty router in conjunction with multiple people using the internet at the same time for various tasks.

And then there is also the whole ISP routing to the server that can have a dramatic difference in your ping. They can take very efficient direct paths to the server, or they can bounce you all over the country or state prior to you reaching your destination.

If you run net_graph you can see the constant kb/s speed the game is using up and down. It's very low like maybe 30-50 Kb/s.
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