DrPloxoskeejfightthere's no drug that would have no negative side effects in 100% of people and likely never will be
Really? How can you be that cynical about the future of the scientific/medical world? That "never" part just sounds like "640K ought to be enough for anybody"-type talk.
Well, Medically that's a sound stance.
Given the sheer amount of variance in people and the multitude of different disorders that exist, that's an incredibly true statement. Allergies exist and immunodeficiency exists so it's 100% accurate.
Yes, and this is why nations have collaborated for ages to decipher the human genome. Jeez, I'm really not educated enough on this topic to properly argue for it, but I know that there's loads of research initiatives for genetically fine-tuned invidualized medicine. I already mentioned this, but apparently I need to mention it again.
Bonafideskeejowlthere's no such thing and will never be such a thing as a medicine with literally no side effects so I dont see the point in having that discussion
Bullshit. There's already loads of medicine out that that works fine for people without side effects (for myself for instance, long term usage of PPI's doesn't affect me in any negative way). And thats just old fashioned "dumb" medicine. Think about when smart medication (biochemical medicine engineered to the individuals genome, or completely different tech like nanowizardry) will be mainstream.
Also, I'm bad at English. I should've said "If there WOULD be no negative side effects", to avoid misinterpretations. I don't know anything about alleradd, and it sounds like snake oil tbh, but I was just responding to Bona's general statement.
If your ideology is to use pills instead of working on the real problem, just lol.
Besides, just because there are no known side effects NOW doesn't mean it won't affect you in a negative way, you just wouldn't know it.
For example ADHD, which is a fictive disorder that was purely created for making insane amounts of money in the pharmaceutical industry (aka selling "medicine"). Now the "founding father" of this disorder even claimed so himself that ADHD is a made-up disorder before he died, and many studies support his claim, and besides supporting his claim even tell you to absolutely not take this drug since it can cause many serious health problems, yet millions of childeren have been given this drug (even now this news has been out for nearly two years?).
I mean, just google it if you really want to know more about it honestly, just don't blindly trust the pharmaceutical industry since they're money hungry af and don't care about these health implications at all. Especially don't use drugs when it's something as minor as stress which you can overcome by simply relaxing, having a good sleep schedule, staying socially active, working out and doing things you like.
Yes, ADHD is a made-up disorder. Actually, all mental disorders are made up. We classify them by consensus, through things like the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. What is not made up though, are the symptoms of mental disorders. These symptoms can have a impact on daily life. When the impact of these symptoms becomes so significant that it causes the individual suffering or an inability to lead a normal daily life, it becomes a disorder. When the impact is very small, it's just a "personality trait" I guess.
Also: Eisenberg (the guy who you mentioned as the "founding father of ADHD") is not even remotely amongst the most important people related to classifying ADHD as a mental disorder. But sure, go ahead, trust your sensationalist internet journalism websites as much as you want.
"ADHD doesn't exist" is such a fucking cliche by now. Please point me to the studies that supported Eisenbergs claim btw, it might be entertaining to read up on that bullshit.
One thing that IS gaining more and more consensus though, is that the diagnosis "ADHD" is applied waaaay too easily. I'd probably agree with that. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just a problem of bad diagnostical practices (or maybe involvement by the pharmaceutical industry, trying to push things, I wouldn't even disagree with that). If every doctor would suddenly tell everyone they had AIDS, that wouldn't make AIDS a made-up disease now, would it? The difference is that (up to this point in time, with our current standings in medical technology) we can identify physical diseases by observing the disease and not just the symptoms, unlike mental disorders.
It's funny that I got all of these replies, cause all I said was, if there's a drug that would be (mental)-performance enhancing, and wouldn't have any negative side effects for me, why wouldn't I take it? Nobody has yet really replied to that point.
[quote=DrPloxo][quote=skeej][quote=fight]
there's no drug that would have no negative side effects in 100% of people and likely never will be[/quote]
Really? How can you be that cynical about the future of the scientific/medical world? That "never" part just sounds like "640K ought to be enough for anybody"-type talk.[/quote]
Well, Medically that's a sound stance.
Given the sheer amount of variance in people and the multitude of different disorders that exist, that's an incredibly true statement. Allergies exist and immunodeficiency exists so it's 100% accurate.[/quote]
Yes, and this is why nations have collaborated for ages to decipher the human genome. Jeez, I'm really not educated enough on this topic to properly argue for it, but I know that there's loads of research initiatives for genetically fine-tuned invidualized medicine. I already mentioned this, but apparently I need to mention it again.
[quote=Bonafide][quote=skeej][quote=owl]there's no such thing and will never be such a thing as a medicine with literally no side effects so I dont see the point in having that discussion[/quote]
Bullshit. There's already loads of medicine out that that works fine for people without side effects (for myself for instance, long term usage of PPI's doesn't affect me in any negative way). And thats just old fashioned "dumb" medicine. Think about when smart medication (biochemical medicine engineered to the individuals genome, or completely different tech like nanowizardry) will be mainstream.
Also, I'm bad at English. I should've said "If there WOULD be no negative side effects", to avoid misinterpretations. I don't know anything about alleradd, and it sounds like snake oil tbh, but I was just responding to Bona's general statement.[/quote]
If your ideology is to use pills instead of working on the real problem, just lol.
Besides, just because there are no known side effects NOW doesn't mean it won't affect you in a negative way, you just wouldn't know it.
For example ADHD, which is a fictive disorder that was purely created for making insane amounts of money in the pharmaceutical industry (aka selling "medicine"). Now the "founding father" of this disorder even claimed so himself that ADHD is a made-up disorder before he died, and many studies support his claim, and besides supporting his claim even tell you to absolutely not take this drug since it can cause many serious health problems, yet millions of childeren have been given this drug (even now this news has been out for nearly two years?).
I mean, just google it if you really want to know more about it honestly, just don't blindly trust the pharmaceutical industry since they're money hungry af and don't care about these health implications at all. Especially don't use drugs when it's something as minor as stress which you can overcome by simply relaxing, having a good sleep schedule, staying socially active, working out and doing things you like.[/quote]
Yes, ADHD is a made-up disorder. Actually, all mental disorders are made up. We classify them by consensus, through things like the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. What is not made up though, are the symptoms of mental disorders. These symptoms can have a impact on daily life. When the impact of these symptoms becomes so significant that it causes the individual suffering or an inability to lead a normal daily life, it becomes a disorder. When the impact is very small, it's just a "personality trait" I guess.
Also: Eisenberg (the guy who you mentioned as the "founding father of ADHD") is not even remotely amongst the most important people related to classifying ADHD as a mental disorder. But sure, go ahead, trust your sensationalist internet journalism websites as much as you want.
"ADHD doesn't exist" is such a fucking cliche by now. Please point me to the studies that supported Eisenbergs claim btw, it might be entertaining to read up on that bullshit.
One thing that IS gaining more and more consensus though, is that the diagnosis "ADHD" is applied waaaay too easily. I'd probably agree with that. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just a problem of bad diagnostical practices (or maybe involvement by the pharmaceutical industry, trying to push things, I wouldn't even disagree with that). If every doctor would suddenly tell everyone they had AIDS, that wouldn't make AIDS a made-up disease now, would it? The difference is that (up to this point in time, with our current standings in medical technology) we can identify physical diseases by observing the disease and not just the symptoms, unlike mental disorders.
It's funny that I got all of these replies, cause all I said was, if there's a drug that would be (mental)-performance enhancing, and wouldn't have any negative side effects for me, why wouldn't I take it? Nobody has yet really replied to that point.
if i've learned one thing about medical illness from this thread, it's that autism is real
if i've learned one thing about medical illness from this thread, it's that autism is real
nootropics are a really good thing if you're smart about it BUT as with any drug you gotta know whats right for you
start here if you're wondering about nootropics
nootropics are a really good thing if you're smart about it BUT as with any drug you gotta know whats right for you
[url=http://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics/wiki/beginners]start here if you're wondering about nootropics[/url]
erkstonif i've learned one thing about medical illness from this thread, it's that autism is real
"Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior. "
- Not participating in the discussion at hand, but posting a completely unrelated statement: impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication
- Calling out autism at random on the internet as a meme: repetitive behavior
I'm not qualified or anything erkston, but you'd might want to talk to your doctor about this.
[quote=erkston]if i've learned one thing about medical illness from this thread, it's that autism is real[/quote]
[i]"Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior. "[/i]
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[*] Not participating in the discussion at hand, but posting a completely unrelated statement: [i]impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication[/i]
[*] Calling out autism at random on the internet as a meme: [i]repetitive behavior[/i]
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I'm not qualified or anything erkston, but you'd might want to talk to your doctor about this.
[*]trying to sound smart online: being a faggot everyone avoids[/spoiler]
i think i got it professor!
no but you'd make a good psychologist
[*]trying to sound smart online: [i]being a faggot everyone avoids[/i][/spoiler]
i think i got it professor!
no but you'd make a good psychologist
if you want a drug with the effects of adderall why dont you just take adderall
if you want a drug with the effects of adderall why dont you just take adderall
d_bif you want a drug with the effects of adderall why dont you just take adderall
I dont think you can get it without being diagnosed with ADHD.
I mean, there are illegal methods to obtaining adderall but that doesn't seem like a good idea
[quote=d_b]if you want a drug with the effects of adderall why dont you just take adderall[/quote]
I dont think you can get it without being diagnosed with ADHD.
I mean, there are illegal methods to obtaining adderall but that doesn't seem like a good idea
its suuuuper easy to find if you live near a college campus/work in food service
its suuuuper easy to find if you live near a college campus/work in food service
its also super easy to get diagnosed with adhd :D
its also super easy to get diagnosed with adhd :D
Adderall is easier to get than fucking weed near colleges.
Adderall is easier to get than fucking weed near colleges.
I'm living, breathing proof that you can have EXTREME attention disorder problems. Whether you want to call it 'ADHD' or not doesn't fucking matter. They 'problem' does exist.
Over my life (younger 20s) I had taken via prescription and experimented with most every 'ADHD' drug. I've used and abused these drugs to various levels and I have a very good perspective on what life is like with and without them.
I've come to the conclusion that I absolutely refuse to take a medicine to quash my 'problem', only people with real, true attention problems will be able to realize this but 'ADHD' is not a menace, it's not BAD. It can be HARNESSED, and CHERISHED.
Sure, I have all usual 'negative' aspects of it, I've been tested and run through trials like a guinea pig (literally) at the university near me and all the results have pointed to an astounding level of attention deficit.
I want you to listen to me, if you 'suffer' from ADHD you should feel blessed, you should consider not taking medicine to fix it. Use it to your creative advantage. Attention problems are like a coin, with the 'bad' come MANY good aspects of it. I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am not with my graphic design career if I didn't let my mind wander and dance every single day. Sure, when I take a medicine I can FOCUS and ACCOMPLISH a said goal but that is not what makes me happy in life.
Finishing an assignment on time or getting a great grade on a test, or destroying a work project.. that's not what makes me long-term happy. What makes me happy is climbing trees, looking at stars, catching frogs, drawing flowers, designing robots, having literally 10 thousand hobbies that I rotate between EVERY DAY. If you have 'ADHD' I implore you to try to get into art, or doing some creative. Sure you will have a million half-finished projects but that's the beauty of it.
Having ADHD is what I would consider the polymaths dream, ever hear of Goethe? That motherfucker I can assure you had a dancing mind and would never consider quelling his desire to be into everything with any sort of medicine.
In conclusion, don't get me wrong. I won't deny that 'ADHD' medicine will make you be able to accomplish certain specific goals because it's a fucking amphetamine/amphetamine-like drug. (Don't give me that bullshit that about Ritalin either.) There's no doubt that I haven't had an amazing time using these drugs recreationally, but I will never ever touch them for long-term purposes because I feel like I'm telling my inner-brain to be quiet and just go with the flow like every other 'functional human'
Fuck that.
I abhor any petulant child that rolls their eyes when I talk about my attention deficit issues. They are a blessing and should be treated as such.
I'm living, breathing proof that you can have EXTREME attention disorder problems. Whether you want to call it 'ADHD' or not doesn't fucking matter. They 'problem' [b]does exist[/b].
Over my life (younger 20s) I had taken via prescription and experimented with most every 'ADHD' drug. I've used and abused these drugs to various levels and I have a very good perspective on what life is like with and without them.
I've come to the conclusion that I absolutely refuse to take a medicine to quash my 'problem', only people with real, true attention problems will be able to realize this but 'ADHD' [b]is not[/b] a menace, it's not BAD. It can be HARNESSED, and CHERISHED.
Sure, I have all usual 'negative' aspects of it, I've been tested and run through trials like a guinea pig (literally) at the university near me and all the results have pointed to an astounding level of attention deficit.
I want you to listen to me, if you 'suffer' from ADHD you should feel blessed, you should consider not taking medicine to fix it. Use it to your creative advantage. Attention problems are like a coin, with the 'bad' come MANY good aspects of it. I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am not with my graphic design career if I didn't let my mind wander and dance every single day. Sure, when I take a medicine I can FOCUS and ACCOMPLISH a said goal but that is not what makes me happy in life.
Finishing an assignment on time or getting a great grade on a test, or destroying a work project.. that's not what makes me long-term happy. What makes me happy is climbing trees, looking at stars, catching frogs, drawing flowers, designing robots, having literally 10 thousand hobbies that I rotate between EVERY DAY. If you have 'ADHD' I implore you to try to get into art, or doing some creative. Sure you will have a million half-finished projects but that's the beauty of it.
Having ADHD is what I would consider the polymaths dream, ever hear of Goethe? That motherfucker I can assure you had a dancing mind and would never consider quelling his desire to be into everything with any sort of medicine.
In conclusion, don't get me wrong. I won't deny that 'ADHD' medicine will make you be able to accomplish certain specific goals because it's a fucking amphetamine/amphetamine-like drug. (Don't give me that bullshit that about Ritalin either.) There's no doubt that I haven't had an amazing time using these drugs recreationally, but I will never ever touch them for long-term purposes because I feel like I'm telling my inner-brain to be quiet and just go with the flow like every other 'functional human'
Fuck that.
I abhor any petulant child that rolls their eyes when I talk about my attention deficit issues. They are a blessing and should be treated as such.
x3 you already know what drug you need to take to relieve your stress
x3 you already know what drug you need to take to relieve your stress
x3 lets just smoke dank
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on our ancestor's graves when we hang out this august.
x3 lets just smoke dank [spoiler] *censored in case enigmas mom checks out this website cuz i dont want him to get grounded* [/spoiler] on our ancestor's graves when we hang out this august.
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People are taking muscle relaxers (GABA) for a high now? What the fuck? I doubt this would do anything for you anyways. Don't do drugs @_@.
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People are taking muscle relaxers (GABA) for a high now? What the fuck? I doubt this would do anything for you anyways. Don't do drugs @_@.
Self-enhancement drugs barely ever work. Each persons internal biology is different, it won't have the same effect for everyone. Especially when it's promising this much.
Self-enhancement drugs barely ever work. Each persons internal biology is different, it won't have the same effect for everyone. Especially when it's promising this much.
BUICKI'm living, breathing proof that you can have EXTREME attention disorder problems. Whether you want to call it 'ADHD' or not doesn't fucking matter. They 'problem' does exist.
Over my life (younger 20s) I had taken via prescription and experimented with most every 'ADHD' drug. I've used and abused these drugs to various levels and I have a very good perspective on what life is like with and without them.
I've come to the conclusion that I absolutely refuse to take a medicine to quash my 'problem', only people with real, true attention problems will be able to realize this but 'ADHD' is not a menace, it's not BAD. It can be HARNESSED, and CHERISHED.
Sure, I have all usual 'negative' aspects of it, I've been tested and run through trials like a guinea pig (literally) at the university near me and all the results have pointed to an astounding level of attention deficit.
I want you to listen to me, if you 'suffer' from ADHD you should feel blessed, you should consider not taking medicine to fix it. Use it to your creative advantage. Attention problems are like a coin, with the 'bad' come MANY good aspects of it. I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am not with my graphic design career if I didn't let my mind wander and dance every single day. Sure, when I take a medicine I can FOCUS and ACCOMPLISH a said goal but that is not what makes me happy in life.
Finishing an assignment on time or getting a great grade on a test, or destroying a work project.. that's not what makes me long-term happy. What makes me happy is climbing trees, looking at stars, catching frogs, drawing flowers, designing robots, having literally 10 thousand hobbies that I rotate between EVERY DAY. If you have 'ADHD' I implore you to try to get into art, or doing some creative. Sure you will have a million half-finished projects but that's the beauty of it.
Having ADHD is what I would consider the polymaths dream, ever hear of Goethe? That motherfucker I can assure you had a dancing mind and would never consider quelling his desire to be into everything with any sort of medicine.
In conclusion, don't get me wrong. I won't deny that 'ADHD' medicine will make you be able to accomplish certain specific goals because it's a fucking amphetamine/amphetamine-like drug. (Don't give me that bullshit that about Ritalin either.) There's no doubt that I haven't had an amazing time using these drugs recreationally, but I will never ever touch them for long-term purposes because I feel like I'm telling my inner-brain to be quiet and just go with the flow like every other 'functional human'
Fuck that.
I abhor any petulant child that rolls their eyes when I talk about my attention deficit issues. They are a blessing and should be treated as such.
This is basically what I mean, medication is really not the answer, only in extreme cases.
Also I don't doubt people do really have attention problems (I was diagnosed with ADD myself), medication also really made me feel exactly how you described it and also gave me problems with falling asleep.
However I do not believe in my diagnoses and so shouldn't every person/parent just because they/their kid can't focus on work/school. A lot of people aren't challenged in the same way and instead of giving them the freedom to live their life differently they try to numb those people down with diagnoses and medication.
[quote=BUICK]I'm living, breathing proof that you can have EXTREME attention disorder problems. Whether you want to call it 'ADHD' or not doesn't fucking matter. They 'problem' [b]does exist[/b].
Over my life (younger 20s) I had taken via prescription and experimented with most every 'ADHD' drug. I've used and abused these drugs to various levels and I have a very good perspective on what life is like with and without them.
I've come to the conclusion that I absolutely refuse to take a medicine to quash my 'problem', only people with real, true attention problems will be able to realize this but 'ADHD' [b]is not[/b] a menace, it's not BAD. It can be HARNESSED, and CHERISHED.
Sure, I have all usual 'negative' aspects of it, I've been tested and run through trials like a guinea pig (literally) at the university near me and all the results have pointed to an astounding level of attention deficit.
I want you to listen to me, if you 'suffer' from ADHD you should feel blessed, you should consider not taking medicine to fix it. Use it to your creative advantage. Attention problems are like a coin, with the 'bad' come MANY good aspects of it. I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am not with my graphic design career if I didn't let my mind wander and dance every single day. Sure, when I take a medicine I can FOCUS and ACCOMPLISH a said goal but that is not what makes me happy in life.
Finishing an assignment on time or getting a great grade on a test, or destroying a work project.. that's not what makes me long-term happy. What makes me happy is climbing trees, looking at stars, catching frogs, drawing flowers, designing robots, having literally 10 thousand hobbies that I rotate between EVERY DAY. If you have 'ADHD' I implore you to try to get into art, or doing some creative. Sure you will have a million half-finished projects but that's the beauty of it.
Having ADHD is what I would consider the polymaths dream, ever hear of Goethe? That motherfucker I can assure you had a dancing mind and would never consider quelling his desire to be into everything with any sort of medicine.
In conclusion, don't get me wrong. I won't deny that 'ADHD' medicine will make you be able to accomplish certain specific goals because it's a fucking amphetamine/amphetamine-like drug. (Don't give me that bullshit that about Ritalin either.) There's no doubt that I haven't had an amazing time using these drugs recreationally, but I will never ever touch them for long-term purposes because I feel like I'm telling my inner-brain to be quiet and just go with the flow like every other 'functional human'
Fuck that.
I abhor any petulant child that rolls their eyes when I talk about my attention deficit issues. They are a blessing and should be treated as such.[/quote]
This is basically what I mean, medication is really not the answer, only in extreme cases.
Also I don't doubt people do really have attention problems (I was diagnosed with ADD myself), medication also really made me feel exactly how you described it and also gave me problems with falling asleep.
However I do not believe in my diagnoses and so shouldn't every person/parent just because they/their kid can't focus on work/school. A lot of people aren't challenged in the same way and instead of giving them the freedom to live their life differently they try to numb those people down with diagnoses and medication.
@ cabin thanks for the post.
#45 and on topic :)
@ cabin thanks for the post.
#45 and on topic :)
BonafideADHD, which is a fictive disorder that was purely created for making insane amounts of money
lol
[quote=Bonafide]ADHD, which is a fictive disorder that was purely created for making insane amounts of money [/quote]
lol