never

only people that voted yes are pockets that get fucked by it every time they uber through a small choke

No lol it theroetically has less of a fire rate. And a smaller blast radius. If you can land the donk you deserve it. #freethedonk

Loose cannon is the only viable demo alternative weapon that is not a melee currently in existence. Enough said.

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the loose cannon is nearly an upgrade over the stock pipes

advantages over stock
+able to drop a medic from full / kill a scout in 1 donk upon testing directs do 60 and minicrits do 141
+knockback ubers/players
+charge and det to kill low health players instead of directing them
+projectile speed over stock
+very dumb "spam angles" possible on maps with open chokes like process
+able to overcharge jump (possibly useful to get out of a bad situation with no stickies)

stock advantages
+sentry spam? (not an issue in 6s)
+rollers (soldiers are better at spamming corners on stalemates)

its not so much a matter of "is this overpowered?" as it is "is this weapon not fun to play against?" and id have to argue the latter

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't donks do ~140?

cannon knight is fun pls dont ban

a weapon being a viable alternative does not mean it has a good design or aid the flow of the game
edit: which is part of the reason we already ban some items

its not fun to stand on one side of a choke and have retarded knockback put you into their combo

but that's valve's fault and that's rare enough that the weapon shouldnt be banned

A demo with loose cannon is even more vulnerable at close range due to low damage of cannonballs alone.

A demo with loose cannon has a lower effective spam range besides just rollers due to the cannonball exploding before reaching any real distance compared to stock.

The loose cannon is only very useful on lasts and a few mids compared to stock. If your ubers are getting fucked by everyone walking through chokes together well the easy solution is to not do that, spam would fuck you up anyways.

In addition to get a double donk you need to time your projectiles in addition to aiming a weapon with grenade launcher like trajectory, making it arguably one of the harder weapons to use effectively outside of spamming chokes.

Don't ban this weapon pls. Its the only thing that was ever added to demo that wasnt broken or useless.

if the loose cannon was broken I'm pretty sure some of the LAN demos would have used it at LAN

yyou cant drop medics anymore. a double donk does exactly 141 damage now

I thought Bdonski does?

He did rarely, because stock is overall better in most situations. Loose cannon is really only good in certain situations.

u have 5 ping why would u not use pipes

Why on earth would you ban loose cannon?

Ya except for the fact that the cannonballs launch your opponent away from you. If you are in a close range fight and you land a cannonball, it usually isn't a close range fight anymore.

i just wanna ban loose cannon from pugme to fuck muma over

jesus christ u guys r dumb

im not even a demo main and this should not even be a thought in your head

I don't see the harm in this thread honestly. It seems like a good talking point. I don't know if I would have started it with a poll on whether it should be banned per se but if people want to discuss a weapon (more than they already have) why shouldn't they

if you cant kill a loose cannon demo at close range you deserve to be blown the fuck out

The Loose Cannon doesn't need a ban. As soon as someone gets in your face, your life is pretty much in the hands of your teammates since you can't really kill them without killing yourself in the process, unless you're able to push them back but they can still come back later depending on team positioning and junk (frag > bought time). It's good for far away chokes but that's about it; it's pretty much the reason why most demomen don't use it.

For me personally, there are just too many moments where I pull out the loose cannon and wish it were pipes so I can just kill the guy once and for all. Kind of a side-grade imo.

So you possibly take 60 damage max with a direct and generally get thrown back a little bit, if you're a scout or soldier you're generally well within range to kill the demo still especially considering he's not using pipes.

That doesnt even include the fact that a demo is at risk for even higher self damage while fighting at close range due to the cannonball's ability to explode in the demos face.

Overall the loose cannon makes the demo even weaker at close range and worsens his ability to spam everything that isnt a choke. The only time I've ever seen the loose cannon be really effective is on lasts where it shines and is a good defensive weapon or in pugs, because in pugs the coordination is generally nothing compared to scrims or matches.

I'm pretty sure most people are here complaining because it sucks to play against in pugs because everyone stacks up in chokes and doesnt jump the demo who is incapable of defending himself at close range with it.

every1 gets their panties in a knot when theres a viable item that isnt stock
yawn

its like pyro but you have to aim

so more balanced

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