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RGL S7 Advanced Happenings/Discussion
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#31
9 Frags +

ggs only

ggs only
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#32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM2J0jZ14M0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM2J0jZ14M0
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#33
36 Frags +

so originally i wasnt planning on posting about this but i think ive realized now the severity of letting an issue like this go unnoticed, which is that the uber pause plugin isnt working. ive seen 3 matches be majorly disrupted as a result of that. first an amateur match where both meds got uber from mid without noticing it was because of the bug, the second was etf2l grand finals where domo out of sportsmanship resupped and lost his ad for pushing mid, and lastly my match where LMNOP-esports pulled the lucrative special.

this is a big problem that needs to be fixed, and rgl has demonstrated to me they dont have what it takes to figure it out on their own. had we lost that round, rgl wouldve "voided" the round and started a new one, instead of doing the sensible thing which is replay the same situation prior to the exploit. (pushing last with <50 ad same clock and positions) i dont intend in posting proof of this (unless its really demanded) out of respect to the buddy who showed the private conversation to me, but the admin wouldve penalized them if we didnt win, thats just the kind of backwards logic rgl operates on lol.

edit: think its fixed in serveme now

so originally i wasnt planning on posting about this but i think ive realized now the severity of letting an issue like this go unnoticed, which is that [b][color=red]the uber pause plugin isnt working.[/color][/b] ive seen 3 matches be majorly disrupted as a result of that. first an amateur match where both meds got uber from mid without noticing it was because of the bug, the second was etf2l grand finals where domo out of sportsmanship resupped and lost his ad for pushing mid, and lastly [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36JDA-kNKxw]my match[/url] where LMNOP-esports pulled the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtzn3mgG7Y0]lucrative special.[/url]

this is a big problem that needs to be fixed, and rgl has demonstrated to me they dont have what it takes to figure it out on their own. had we lost that round, rgl wouldve "voided" the round and started a new one, instead of doing the sensible thing which is replay the same situation prior to the exploit. (pushing last with <50 ad same clock and positions) i dont intend in posting proof of this (unless its really demanded) out of respect to the buddy who showed the private conversation to me, but the admin wouldve penalized them if we didnt win, thats just the kind of backwards logic rgl operates on lol.

edit: think its fixed in serveme now
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#34
31 Frags +

we live in a world where clearcut is in rotation and viaduct isnt

hahahahaha

we live in a world where clearcut is in rotation and viaduct isnt

hahahahaha
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#35
49 Frags +

fucking rolled magmard youre actually so fucking bad get put in the fucking dumpster you abolsute shitcan how's it feel to get rolled into a fucking blunt and smoked up you little bitch boi

fucking rolled magmard youre actually so fucking bad get put in the fucking dumpster you abolsute shitcan how's it feel to get rolled into a fucking blunt and smoked up you little bitch boi
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#36
46 Frags +

https://i.imgur.com/JFXE7uw.gif

[img]https://i.imgur.com/JFXE7uw.gif[/img]
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#37
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873051443735720049/898071399674044416/20211013_215458.jpg

[img]https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873051443735720049/898071399674044416/20211013_215458.jpg[/img]
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#38
4 Frags +

Scuffed cast of Wage Slaves vs. LMNOP at 10:30 11:00 with jemond, https://www.twitch.tv/wbacon

Scuffed cast of Wage Slaves vs. LMNOP at [s]10:30[/s] 11:00 with jemond, https://www.twitch.tv/wbacon
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#39
-9 Frags +

the couch esports is dead, @alfredodan you are the worst sponsor ever.

I'm done.

the couch esports is dead, @alfredodan you are the worst sponsor ever.

I'm done.
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#40
-16 Frags +

i hate you, ALFRED

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i hate you, ALFRED

N
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#41
-14 Frags +

I

I
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#42
7 Frags +

Happy Halloween ! (Boo, HAHA)

Happy Halloween ! (Boo, HAHA)
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#43
1 Frags +

ggs goblin, close match !

ggs goblin, close match !
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#44
28 Frags +
wonderoflmy match where LMNOP-esports pulled the lucrative special.

with rgl doing nothing about it the first time, the roaches have cheated again vs stock match. if an rgl admins reading this, is it 3rd times the charm or r u actually gonna do something about it now lmfao.

[quote=wonderofl][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36JDA-kNKxw]my match[/url] where LMNOP-esports pulled the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtzn3mgG7Y0]lucrative special.[/url]
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with rgl doing nothing about it the first time, the [url=https://gyazo.com/723ceb70170813240843c4bd004043ca]roaches[/url] have cheated again vs [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkB62uI8MpM]stock match.[/url] if an rgl admins reading this, is it 3rd times the charm or r u actually gonna do something about it now lmfao.
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#45
17 Frags +

How does rgl actually schedule matches? rofl. my team plays dynasty fx death cult lmnop and goblin zone twice in 1 season with no bye and then this happens for another team

https://i.imgur.com/gspRplU.png

btw dynasty also gets no bye weeks so i have no idea how 2 teams get no bye weeks and 1 team gets 2 in 1 season

How does rgl actually schedule matches? rofl. my team plays dynasty fx death cult lmnop and goblin zone twice in 1 season with no bye and then this happens for another team [img]https://i.imgur.com/gspRplU.png[/img]
btw dynasty also gets no bye weeks so i have no idea how 2 teams get no bye weeks and 1 team gets 2 in 1 season
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#46
4 Frags +

when alfredodan is your sponsor, you just have underhandedly good rng :)

but honestly, this is pretty fucked. its really unfair that we get two bye weeks

when alfredodan is your sponsor, you just have underhandedly good rng :)

but honestly, this is pretty fucked. its really unfair that we get two bye weeks
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#47
3 Frags +

From what I was told last season, the scheduler prioritizes rounding the bases (each team playing every other) before anything else. Then the bye is given to the lowest ranked teams that haven't previously gotten a bye. So the original schedule should've been the correct one with both Goblin Zone and stock market getting a bye. I don't know why they changed it but does it really surprise you that RGL is doing different shit to what they said, again? Also to be fair, since RGL is cringe and uses rounds% to determine tiebreakers between two teams of identical W-L, a bye is actually (usually) detrimental for teams fighting for playoffs.

By the way if any of the three teams that died didn't, then we wouldn't find ourselves in this situation.

Edit: They actually did the exact opposite from last season. Last season they prioritized giving bye weeks to prevent rematches (despite it fucking over teams on the bubble). This season they prioritized giving rematches and letting the bye fall to teams not in the running. Just RGL things.

From what I was told last season, the scheduler prioritizes rounding the bases (each team playing every other) before anything else. Then the bye is given to the lowest ranked teams that haven't previously gotten a bye. So the original schedule should've been the correct one with both Goblin Zone and stock market getting a bye. I don't know why they changed it but does it really surprise you that RGL is doing different shit to what they said, again? Also to be fair, since RGL is cringe and uses rounds% to determine tiebreakers between two teams of identical W-L, a bye is actually (usually) detrimental for teams fighting for playoffs.

By the way if any of the three teams that died didn't, then we wouldn't find ourselves in this situation.

Edit: They actually did the exact opposite from last season. Last season they prioritized giving bye weeks to prevent rematches (despite it fucking over teams on the bubble). This season they prioritized giving rematches and letting the bye fall to teams not in the running. Just RGL things.
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#48
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sorta unrelated but admins have also said nothing about how many teams are making playoffs this season :/
i have been proven wrong

[s]sorta unrelated but admins have also said nothing about how many teams are making playoffs this season :/[/s]
i have been proven wrong
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#49
2 Frags +
Reerosorta unrelated but admins have also said nothing about how many teams are making playoffs this season :/

https://rgl.gg/?a=1587
Advanced top 4 double elim

[quote=Reero]sorta unrelated but admins have also said nothing about how many teams are making playoffs this season :/[/quote]
https://rgl.gg/?a=1587
Advanced top 4 double elim
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#50
9 Frags +

I feel like teams that die should just have their results vacated so that every team gets a win against them. I think I'd rather have a few empty matches on the schedule than whatever clusterfuck goes on with the week by week scheduling every season. It also shouldn't feel like a race to claim your free W from the bottom ranked teams before they die.

Edit: Obv with the caveat of a 17? team adv and pre-released schedules

I feel like teams that die should just have their results vacated so that every team gets a win against them. I think I'd rather have a few empty matches on the schedule than whatever clusterfuck goes on with the week by week scheduling every season. It also shouldn't feel like a race to claim your free W from the bottom ranked teams before they die.

Edit: Obv with the caveat of a 17? team adv and pre-released schedules
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#51
11 Frags +

Div under invite should be an 8 team round robin

Div under invite should be an 8 team round robin
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#52
RGL.gg
11 Frags +

Hey guys, wanted to respond to clear about the scheduling issue presented.

mmrarkteHow does rgl actually schedule matches? rofl. my team plays dynasty fx death cult lmnop and goblin zone twice in 1 season with no bye and then this happens for another team https://i.imgur.com/gspRplU.png
btw dynasty also gets no bye weeks so i have no idea how 2 teams get no bye weeks and 1 team gets 2 in 1 season

With how many teams were in advanced this season, the fact that 3 died meant we were going to run into duplicate matches on the last week. Unfortunately, there isn't any way around this without giving people matches. This being said, this also applies to BYE weeks being duplicated for a team. Quoting Tery below, he is correct and this is the exact reason we moved the BYE from Goblin.

Tery_Also to be fair, since RGL is cringe and uses rounds% to determine tiebreakers between two teams of identical W-L, a bye is actually (usually) detrimental for teams fighting for playoffs.

We wanted to give LMNOP and GOBLIN the opportunity to break into playoffs this season, with BYE weeks potentially ruining those chances because BYE weeks only give 1 round won. A big factor in this is because Advanced is top 4 for playoffs instead of top 8, because the smaller size of Advanced this season.

Tery_Edit: They actually did the exact opposite from last season. Last season they prioritized giving bye weeks to prevent rematches (despite it fucking over teams on the bubble). This season they prioritized giving rematches and letting the bye fall to teams not in the running. Just RGL things.

Taking into consideration the teams that did get screwed over, its important for us to try to find ways to adapt and improve with how we run things. I don't think there's ever going to be a perfect resolution where everyone is happy, but feedback is appreciated so we can improve as the seasons come and go.

Hunter_2_0I feel like teams that die should just have their results vacated so that every team gets a win against them. I think I'd rather have a few empty matches on the schedule than whatever clusterfuck goes on with the week by week scheduling every season. It also shouldn't feel like a race to claim your free W from the bottom ranked teams before they die.

This might as well be a BYE week regardless, because FFW don't give you full match points, just the same as BYE weeks. With all this being said, if anyone has any questions or wishes to discuss, feel free to continue the conversation here or DM me at reno#0019.

Hey guys, wanted to respond to clear about the scheduling issue presented.
[quote=mmrarkte]How does rgl actually schedule matches? rofl. my team plays dynasty fx death cult lmnop and goblin zone twice in 1 season with no bye and then this happens for another team [img]https://i.imgur.com/gspRplU.png[/img]
btw dynasty also gets no bye weeks so i have no idea how 2 teams get no bye weeks and 1 team gets 2 in 1 season[/quote]

With how many teams were in advanced this season, the fact that 3 died meant we were going to run into duplicate matches on the last week. Unfortunately, there isn't any way around this without giving people matches. This being said, this also applies to BYE weeks being duplicated for a team. Quoting Tery below, he is correct and this is the exact reason we moved the BYE from Goblin.
[quote=Tery_]Also to be fair, since RGL is cringe and uses rounds% to determine tiebreakers between two teams of identical W-L, a bye is actually (usually) detrimental for teams fighting for playoffs.
[/quote]

We wanted to give LMNOP and GOBLIN the opportunity to break into playoffs this season, with BYE weeks potentially ruining those chances because BYE weeks only give 1 round won. A big factor in this is because Advanced is top 4 for playoffs instead of top 8, because the smaller size of Advanced this season.

[quote=Tery_]
Edit: They actually did the exact opposite from last season. Last season they prioritized giving bye weeks to prevent rematches (despite it fucking over teams on the bubble). This season they prioritized giving rematches and letting the bye fall to teams not in the running. Just RGL things.[/quote]

Taking into consideration the teams that did get screwed over, its important for us to try to find ways to adapt and improve with how we run things. I don't think there's ever going to be a perfect resolution where everyone is happy, but feedback is appreciated so we can improve as the seasons come and go.

[quote=Hunter_2_0]I feel like teams that die should just have their results vacated so that every team gets a win against them. I think I'd rather have a few empty matches on the schedule than whatever clusterfuck goes on with the week by week scheduling every season. It also shouldn't feel like a race to claim your free W from the bottom ranked teams before they die.
[/quote]

This might as well be a BYE week regardless, because FFW don't give you full match points, just the same as BYE weeks. With all this being said, if anyone has any questions or wishes to discuss, feel free to continue the conversation here or DM me at reno#0019.
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#53
29 Frags +

thx for letting me beat the shit out of magmard and send those cheating roaches packing

thx for letting me beat the shit out of magmard and send those cheating roaches packing
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#54
20 Frags +

magmard u will burn in hell for leaving our team to play with honorless CHEATERS

magmard u will burn in hell for leaving our team to play with honorless CHEATERS
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#55
2 Frags +

yeti has secured the #1 seed for playoffs. dynasty has secured the #2 seed for playoffs.

FX DEATH CULT has clinched a playoffs spot. If they win vs. yeti they'll secure the #3 seed. If they lose they could be 4th depending on rounds%.

Kronge Realm, Goblin Zone, and The Couch Esports have been eliminated from playoffs via rounds%.

That leaves two teams: LMNOP-Sports and stock market (I refuse to call them by their current name).

LMNOP can clinch a playoffs spot if they win vs. dynasty. stock market can clinch a playoffs spot if they win vs. Goblin Zone AND LMNOP loses.

yeti has secured the #1 seed for playoffs. dynasty has secured the #2 seed for playoffs.

FX DEATH CULT has clinched a playoffs spot. If they win vs. yeti they'll secure the #3 seed. If they lose they could be 4th depending on rounds%.

Kronge Realm, Goblin Zone, and The Couch Esports have been eliminated from playoffs via rounds%.

That leaves two teams: LMNOP-Sports and stock market (I refuse to call them by their current name).

LMNOP can clinch a playoffs spot if they win vs. dynasty. stock market can clinch a playoffs spot if they win vs. Goblin Zone AND LMNOP loses.
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#56
2 Frags +

Tery I think you're forgetting about the major penalties.

If FX DEATH CULT loses to Yeti and LMNOP/Stock win, they both clinch playoffs due to us losing round % and penalty tiebreaker to each respectively, otherwise we clinch.

If LMNOP loses, the 4th spot is up for grabs between Goblin/Stock/Kronge since LMNOP has their penalty.
A slim W for Goblin Zone means Kronge can beat both Goblin and Stock in round % if they roll their opponent.
A dominant W for Goblin Zone and slim W for Kronge means Goblin Zone clinches.

Not going to do the exact math since it's a pain...

Also it will be pretty funny if Kronge makes playoffs while losing to every other bubble playoff team, rgl scheduling btw

Tery I think you're forgetting about the major penalties.

If FX DEATH CULT loses to Yeti and LMNOP/Stock win, they both clinch playoffs due to us losing round % and penalty tiebreaker to each respectively, otherwise we clinch.

If LMNOP loses, the 4th spot is up for grabs between Goblin/Stock/Kronge since LMNOP has their penalty.
A slim W for Goblin Zone means Kronge can beat both Goblin and Stock in round % if they roll their opponent.
A dominant W for Goblin Zone and slim W for Kronge means Goblin Zone clinches.

Not going to do the exact math since it's a pain...

Also it will be pretty funny if Kronge makes playoffs while losing to every other bubble playoff team, rgl scheduling btw
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#57
0 Frags +

I don't know how the penalties actually affect the standings. When the points system was used it just subtracted from that. Now the rules say it takes half a win away. So technically FX is 10.5-4 and LMNOP 9.5-5? Shit is weird. Maybe if those two teams didn't get penalized this would've been much clearer.

I don't know how the penalties actually affect the standings. When the points system was used it just subtracted from that. Now the rules say it takes half a win away. So technically FX is 10.5-4 and LMNOP 9.5-5? Shit is weird. Maybe if those two teams didn't get penalized this would've been much clearer.
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#58
24 Frags +

Hold on how is RGL going to ban people for multiple weeks for missing demos but when an entire team gets caught using a direct exploit to cheat twice they only get the equivalent of half of a lost match and nobody gets banned?? Aren't you supposed to make an example and prevent people from cheating in the future? Boot those fuckers out of playoffs lmao

https://i.imgur.com/IlXFyJq.png

Hold on how is RGL going to ban people for multiple weeks for missing demos but when an entire team gets caught using a direct exploit to cheat twice they only get the equivalent of half of a lost match and nobody gets banned?? Aren't you supposed to make an example and prevent people from cheating in the future? Boot those fuckers out of playoffs lmao
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IlXFyJq.png[/img]
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#59
16 Frags +
bearodactylHold on how is RGL going to ban people for multiple weeks for missing demos but when an entire team gets caught using a direct exploit to cheat twice they only get the equivalent of half of a lost match and nobody gets banned?? Aren't you supposed to make an example and prevent people from cheating in the future? Boot those fuckers out of playoffs lmao
https://i.imgur.com/IlXFyJq.png

their punishment for cheating in 2 matches is less severe than our Medic Player submitting a fake demo lol..

[quote=bearodactyl]Hold on how is RGL going to ban people for multiple weeks for missing demos but when an entire team gets caught using a direct exploit to cheat twice they only get the equivalent of half of a lost match and nobody gets banned?? Aren't you supposed to make an example and prevent people from cheating in the future? Boot those fuckers out of playoffs lmao
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IlXFyJq.png[/img][/quote]
their punishment for cheating in 2 matches is less severe than our Medic Player submitting a fake demo lol..
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#60
16 Frags +

i mean i can see why they take demos seriously cause that's related to actual cheating and they don't want to be lenient towards that at all/set a precedent

but abusing bugs to get unfair advantages in matches i would argue is worse than submitting the wrong demo lol, RGL really needs to rethink their rules

i mean i can see why they take demos seriously cause that's related to actual cheating and they don't want to be lenient towards that at all/set a precedent

but abusing bugs to get unfair advantages in matches i would argue is worse than submitting the wrong demo lol, RGL really needs to rethink their rules
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