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RGL Div-1 S4 Happenings/Discussion
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#31
5 Frags +

I've heard multiple teams say that if they get moved up the team dies.

I've heard multiple teams say that if they get moved up the team dies.
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#32
7 Frags +
RebiteI've heard multiple teams say that if they get moved up the team dies.

They pussies.

[quote=Rebite]I've heard multiple teams say that if they get moved up the team dies.[/quote]
They pussies.
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#33
5 Frags +

i can understand why id be restricted from playing soldier but i rlly dont understand any of these other restrictions, especially for the cases where the people restricted havent made top 2 in div1 or played invite on their class. this seems way too strict for restrictions

i can understand why id be restricted from playing soldier but i rlly dont understand any of these other restrictions, especially for the cases where the people restricted havent made top 2 in div1 or played invite on their class. this seems way too strict for restrictions
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#34
72 Frags +

really interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here!

really interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here!
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#35
31 Frags +

new gaming chair

new gaming chair
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#36
17 Frags +

not to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a fake frag video by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescale

not to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/799528/frag-clips-thread]fake frag video[/url] by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescale
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#37
30 Frags +
Nathanreally interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here!

this has happened before and nothing will happen

[quote=Nathan]really interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here![/quote]


this has happened before and nothing will happen
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#38
2 Frags +
tibbyI don't see how these class restrictions are a superior option to just moving teams up directly.

because every time they try to, moveup team say theyll just die and then they all go to div 1 teams anyways when midseason roster shuffle happens.

[quote=tibby]I don't see how these class restrictions are a superior option to just moving teams up directly.[/quote]

because every time they try to, moveup team say theyll just die and then they all go to div 1 teams anyways when midseason roster shuffle happens.
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#39
51 Frags +
Nathanfrkshw/mxr

since my team died I've been watching a lot of streams during scrim times, and when I saw that an ex-cheater came back on demo and was doing like 450 dpm every game it piqued my interest, so I've been watching him a lot over the past week or so

and I've come to the conclusion that, if this guy doesn't cheat, he's literally the next habib, because he has maybe the best stickies I've ever seen, like literally above sin k4rma

more specifically:
1) of the ludicrous dmg he does, a ridiculously high percentage of it is with stickies- much higher than for most post-nerf 6s demos, let alone ex-scout mains

2) his accuracy on both stickies and pipes is at least high 20s %-wise, sometimes even over 30%, every single game, which is the equivalent of a scout being over 80% acc in every single log- certainly possible but pretty unlikely

3) speccing him, if he's not autodetting, this man has like INSANE reaction time, literally better than habib's- he always dets his stickies the exact instant they reach an enemy, he almost never early dets by mistake, and he'll often leave stickies on the ground, turn to pipe someone else, and det said stickies at the exact right moment when an unseen opponent runs over them. if you watch him, I'd say focus on this fact- some people are saying he's walling which I'm not ruling out but I didn't notice anything super weird that stood out in terms of that, I mainly noticed how accurate his stickies are at all ranges and whether charged or not

4) sometimes his pipe flicks are pretty nutty but I'm more willing to concede this as just good dm, none of them look like insanely out of the ordinary

5) he also deleted his most recent scout vod and stopped scrimming for the past few days which was a bit odd, particularly because I felt like this one 4k he got was a bit weird but could just be me

now you may notice literally all of this, plus what jetz said, is completely circumstantial, and I agree. it's plausible (not not probable) that mxr just spent the last few years grinding the fuck out of mge (which im told he does) and got really good at demo dm.

I know a lot about demoman, and what you tend to see when speccing a good demo, and I could tell you in pretty decent detail the differences in playstyle, aim style, strengths and weaknesses, etc. of other good demos. that being said, I know almost NOTHING about cheats, so I'm much better at saying "this doesn't look normal" rather than "this DOES affirmatively look like x cheat", which is a big difference. I have no innate bias against this guy, but it's possible I've gotten too entrenched in my opinion and now everything he does will look like cheating to me regardless of whether it is or not. the last thing I'd want is the career of an actual promising talent to end and it to turn out to be a mistake, but hopefully rgl anticheat admins a) are more competent than the phrase "rgl anticheat admins" would suggest, and b) look closely and impartially into this situation.

[quote=Nathan]frkshw/mxr[/quote]

since my team died I've been watching a lot of streams during scrim times, and when I saw that an ex-cheater came back on demo and was doing like 450 dpm every game it piqued my interest, so I've been watching him a lot over the past week or so

and I've come to the conclusion that, if this guy doesn't cheat, he's literally the next habib, because he has maybe the best stickies I've ever seen, like literally above sin k4rma

more specifically:
1) of the ludicrous dmg he does, a ridiculously high percentage of it is with stickies- much higher than for most post-nerf 6s demos, let alone ex-scout mains

2) his accuracy on both stickies and pipes is at least high 20s %-wise, sometimes even over 30%, every single game, which is the equivalent of a scout being over 80% acc in every single log- certainly possible but pretty unlikely

3) speccing him, if he's not autodetting, this man has like INSANE reaction time, literally better than habib's- he always dets his stickies the exact instant they reach an enemy, he almost never early dets by mistake, and he'll often leave stickies on the ground, turn to pipe someone else, and det said stickies at the exact right moment when an unseen opponent runs over them. if you watch him, I'd say focus on this fact- some people are saying he's walling which I'm not ruling out but I didn't notice anything super weird that stood out in terms of that, I mainly noticed how accurate his stickies are at all ranges and whether charged or not

4) sometimes his pipe flicks are pretty nutty but I'm more willing to concede this as just good dm, none of them look like insanely out of the ordinary

5) he also deleted his most recent scout vod and stopped scrimming for the past few days which was a bit odd, particularly because I felt like this one 4k he got was a bit weird but could just be me

now you may notice literally all of this, plus what jetz said, is completely circumstantial, and I agree. it's plausible (not not probable) that mxr just spent the last few years grinding the fuck out of mge (which im told he does) and got really good at demo dm.

I know a lot about demoman, and what you tend to see when speccing a good demo, and I could tell you in pretty decent detail the differences in playstyle, aim style, strengths and weaknesses, etc. of other good demos. that being said, I know almost NOTHING about cheats, so I'm much better at saying "this doesn't look normal" rather than "this DOES affirmatively look like x cheat", which is a big difference. I have no innate bias against this guy, but it's possible I've gotten too entrenched in my opinion and now everything he does will look like cheating to me regardless of whether it is or not. the last thing I'd want is the career of an actual promising talent to end and it to turn out to be a mistake, but hopefully rgl anticheat admins a) are more competent than the phrase "rgl anticheat admins" would suggest, and b) look closely and impartially into this situation.
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#40
21 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jKVYX5qB2bY

btw he has videos on his youtube of him with the scope removal script lol (literally the featured video that auto-plays when u open his youtube channel)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jKVYX5qB2bY

btw he has videos on his youtube of him with the scope removal script lol (literally the featured video that auto-plays when u open his youtube channel)
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#41
-23 Frags +

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#42
-29 Frags +

freakshow just wants to dance... :(

freakshow just wants to dance... :(
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#43
-34 Frags +
Nathanreally interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here!

https://imgur.com/ZNjrSfw

[quote=Nathan]really interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here![/quote]

https://imgur.com/ZNjrSfw
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#44
-34 Frags +
Nathanreally interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here!

https://i.imgur.com/kmeOmkP.png

[quote=Nathan]really interesting how this series of events occurs

-freakshow is like bottom im and only plays scout/sniper
-quits after being exposed as a cheater
-comes back years later
-is suddenly by far the best demo in div 1 and its not even close

i wonder if something underhanded could be happening here![/quote]

https://i.imgur.com/kmeOmkP.png
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#45
68 Frags +

to be clear, if anyone didn't bother to check:

shootaomg... freakshow cheats......

guy on mxr's team

Garthnukfreakshow just wants to dance... :(

friend of guys on mxr's team

urmphihttps://imgur.com/ZNjrSfw

another guy on mxr's team

ScottManhttps://i.imgur.com/kmeOmkP.png

e-boyfriend of guy on mxr's team

you lads aren't really helping with your knockoff gxq coordinated-in-discord posting

to be clear, if anyone didn't bother to check:

[quote=shoota]omg... freakshow cheats......[/quote]

guy on mxr's team

[quote=Garthnuk]freakshow just wants to dance... :([/quote]

friend of guys on mxr's team

[quote=urmphi]
https://imgur.com/ZNjrSfw[/quote]

another guy on mxr's team

[quote=ScottMan]
https://i.imgur.com/kmeOmkP.png[/quote]

e-boyfriend of guy on mxr's team

you lads aren't really helping with your knockoff gxq coordinated-in-discord posting
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#46
-13 Frags +

ya he cheats

ya he cheats
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#47
24 Frags +

idk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk

idk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk
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#48
-19 Frags +
gloperzidk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

after 3 years of being backstabbed on process last u think I would start to get a nice understanding when ppl will come up spy
at :14 seconds in ur fist clip you can even see me looking left into heaven because I suspected that someone was on spy before you even spawned because typically better players know to off time spy
also no one sac'd when u spawned

[quote=gloperz]idk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

[/quote]

after 3 years of being backstabbed on process last u think I would start to get a nice understanding when ppl will come up spy
at :14 seconds in ur fist clip you can even see me looking left into heaven because I suspected that someone was on spy before you even spawned because typically better players know to off time spy
also no one sac'd when u spawned
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#49
6 Frags +

pretty weak defense considering nobody on my team had ever played spy before that moment. i dont think a few clips are enough to prove anything per se but u guys r definitely sus af

pretty weak defense considering nobody on my team had ever played spy before that moment. i dont think a few clips are enough to prove anything per se but u guys r definitely sus af
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#50
-7 Frags +

feel free to watch my pov against alan gaming where we stalemate and the whole time im looking behind myself and calling out spy even though they only played spy against me for 1:41 out of the 49:56 game
also the idea that "no one had played spy yet" is not even an argument. whether someone has played spy or not doesnt change how aware I am as im always checking for spy

feel free to watch my pov against alan gaming where we stalemate and the whole time im looking behind myself and calling out spy even though they only played spy against me for 1:41 out of the 49:56 game
also the idea that "no one had played spy yet" is not even an argument. whether someone has played spy or not doesnt change how aware I am as im always checking for spy
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#51
17 Frags +

golly gee its almost like its weird that the people who got 8th in main are rolling div-1/low invite teams, and get extremely irritated if someone makes even the slightest accusation at them who would have guessed?

golly gee its almost like its weird that the people who got 8th in main are rolling div-1/low invite teams, and get extremely irritated if someone makes even the slightest accusation at them who would have guessed?
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#52
21 Frags +
shootaomg... freakshow cheats......

id/nobodynobodynobodynobody

[quote=shoota]omg... freakshow cheats......[/quote]
id/nobodynobodynobodynobody
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#53
28 Frags +
gloperzidk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk

idk about the saga stuff, paranoia on medic is normal

however, i did watch a demo from frkshow in their match v the sgc team and there's a few things i noticed

1. weird crosshair placement: he stares at the ground a lot, and a lot of time kind of looks like he's staring at the ground as to not look at other players through walls. The most notable place was where, when holding sunshine mid, he was looking at the bottom of the shack infront of choke, as opposed to, u know, not there.

2. he doesn't set sticky traps, like, at all until he knows a team is rotating through the specific door, and only then starts stickying it up

3. he kritzed onto a team without peaking in to see where they were holding. NO ONE on his team got forward to see where they were holding, he just some how knew where they were.

4. He consistently seems to have his crosshair hovering where ever the medic is standing, though not directly on them, rather in a way where he could see where the player is

5. He seems to be able to track players through walls when they get behind him, like if a player is somewhere where he shouldn't know, it seems like he just always happens to have his crosshair in a place as to have the player in his fov.

take this as you will, i was probably biased when i was watching this stuff and i'm not a demo player, nor am i super familiar with cheats but this whole thing felt off to me. also him snapping to the med and blind detting is sus as hell holy fuck lmao

[quote=gloperz]idk about saga either as soon as i respawn spy having never played spy before in the scrim he's calling it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXmY-jBt3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvsU-dQSa0g

plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk[/quote]

idk about the saga stuff, paranoia on medic is normal

however, i did watch a demo from frkshow in their match v the sgc team and there's a few things i noticed

1. weird crosshair placement: he stares at the ground a lot, and a lot of time kind of looks like he's staring at the ground as to not look at other players through walls. The most notable place was where, when holding sunshine mid, he was looking at the bottom of the shack infront of choke, as opposed to, u know, not there.

2. he doesn't set sticky traps, like, at all until he knows a team is rotating through the specific door, and only then starts stickying it up

3. he kritzed onto a team without peaking in to see where they were holding. NO ONE on his team got forward to see where they were holding, he just some how knew where they were.

4. He consistently seems to have his crosshair hovering where ever the medic is standing, though not directly on them, rather in a way where he could see where the player is

5. He seems to be able to track players through walls when they get behind him, like if a player is somewhere where he shouldn't know, it seems like he just always happens to have his crosshair in a place as to have the player in his fov.

take this as you will, i was probably biased when i was watching this stuff and i'm not a demo player, nor am i super familiar with cheats but this whole thing felt off to me. also him snapping to the med and blind detting is sus as hell holy fuck lmao
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#54
20 Frags +
Virgil
1. weird crosshair placement: he stares at the ground a lot, and a lot of time kind of looks like he's staring at the ground as to not look at other players through walls. The most notable place was where, when holding sunshine mid, he was looking at the bottom of the shack infront of choke, as opposed to, u know, not there.

i played a pug yesterday with him on scout and yeah he just kept staring at the floor which is what the little noobs do because they do not know where to place their crosshair so idk why this guy is magically insane at tf2 but cant put his crosshair in the correct spot to see things

[quote=Virgil]

1. weird crosshair placement: he stares at the ground a lot, and a lot of time kind of looks like he's staring at the ground as to not look at other players through walls. The most notable place was where, when holding sunshine mid, he was looking at the bottom of the shack infront of choke, as opposed to, u know, not there.

[/quote]
i played a pug yesterday with him on scout and yeah he just kept staring at the floor which is what the little noobs do because they do not know where to place their crosshair so idk why this guy is magically insane at tf2 but cant put his crosshair in the correct spot to see things
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#55
-12 Frags +

You guys would think the rgl admins are competent enough to catch a cheater right?

You guys would think the rgl admins are competent enough to catch a cheater right?
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#56
21 Frags +
Young_SanityvYou guys would think the rgl admins are competent enough to catch a cheater right?

With all respect to the percent of rgl admins that I know work their butts off: lol

[quote=Young_Sanityv]You guys would think the rgl admins are competent enough to catch a cheater right?[/quote]

With all respect to the percent of rgl admins that I know work their butts off: lol
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#57
-7 Frags +
gloperznot to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a fake frag video by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescale

he took it down :) make sure to go to twitch.tv/mxrxr and drop the GOAT a follow guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote=gloperz]not to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/799528/frag-clips-thread]fake frag video[/url] by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescale[/quote]
he took it down :) make sure to go to twitch.tv/mxrxr and drop the GOAT a follow guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#58
4 Frags +
Asherasherashergloperznot to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a fake frag video by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescalehe took it down :) make sure to go to twitch.tv/mxrxr and drop the GOAT a follow guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you should tell him to stream with monitor capture on

[quote=Asherasherasher][quote=gloperz]not to mention freakshow is also the same person that made a [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/799528/frag-clips-thread]fake frag video[/url] by staging clips with friends using a slowed down timescale[/quote]
he took it down :) make sure to go to twitch.tv/mxrxr and drop the GOAT a follow guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
you should tell him to stream with monitor capture on
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#59
4 Frags +
gloperz
plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk

I remember this play because I clipped the airshot I hit against the soldier as he was sacking in, and afterwards I was really confused cuz I didn't know how or where frk killed the med. I don't know if cheaters are actively looking for explanations to their kills as they happen but he told me right after when I asked that he killed the med while trying to airstick the soldier. Personally whenever I'm shooting airsticks unless I'm waiting for the soldier to jump into it I always hold right click before the stick is primed, especially when the soldier is jumping past the sticky like in the clip, I feel like you play enough demo to know that. To the 3rd point in your video, as he shoots his airsticky rowpieces jumps around the corner and lands on the platform. I feel like him switching his crosshair towards valley makes sense but I do admit that his crosshair placement is kinda of suspicious; in that situation personally I would have shot 1 or 2 pipes at the soldier first and spent the rest spamming the general valley area. However, right after he dets he strafes backwards to aim at the soldier instead of just moving his crosshair, so it might be just a different aiming style (?) but I do admit objectively his crosshair placement there seems pretty off. I'm obviously biased since I'm on a team with him but back on enoch when he was subbing demo for me he was doing pretty well against the players we were up against, and I don't think its super far fetched that he just plays 40 hours a week of mge and scrims and got really good. I also can't recall any calls he has made in scrims for me to suspect he is cheating. Since I'm on a team with him it would obviously be in my favor to think he isn't, so keep that in mind.

[quote=gloperz]

plus this clip of a det during freakshow's match vs hunter's team is really suspicious just read the description for the things i noticed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idzwNoz2fvk[/quote]

I remember this play because I clipped the airshot I hit against the soldier as he was sacking in, and afterwards I was really confused cuz I didn't know how or where frk killed the med. I don't know if cheaters are actively looking for explanations to their kills as they happen but he told me right after when I asked that he killed the med while trying to airstick the soldier. Personally whenever I'm shooting airsticks unless I'm waiting for the soldier to jump into it I always hold right click before the stick is primed, especially when the soldier is jumping past the sticky like in the clip, I feel like you play enough demo to know that. To the 3rd point in your video, as he shoots his airsticky rowpieces jumps around the corner and lands on the platform. I feel like him switching his crosshair towards valley makes sense but I do admit that his crosshair placement is kinda of suspicious; in that situation personally I would have shot 1 or 2 pipes at the soldier first and spent the rest spamming the general valley area. However, right after he dets he strafes backwards to aim at the soldier instead of just moving his crosshair, so it might be just a different aiming style (?) but I do admit objectively his crosshair placement there seems pretty off. I'm obviously biased since I'm on a team with him but back on enoch when he was subbing demo for me he was doing pretty well against the players we were up against, and I don't think its super far fetched that he just plays 40 hours a week of mge and scrims and got really good. I also can't recall any calls he has made in scrims for me to suspect he is cheating. Since I'm on a team with him it would obviously be in my favor to think he isn't, so keep that in mind.
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#60
25 Frags +
Kevito1.

ivy league student doesn't know how paragraphs work !!!

[quote=Kevito1].[/quote]
ivy league student doesn't know how paragraphs work !!!
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