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cp_villa (5CP)
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#1
0 Frags +

Hey TFTV,

I've been working on this map for a while now, and I figured I should probably put up a feedback thread for it.

cp_villa is a 5cp map taking inspiration from Sunshine, Snakewater, and Gullywash. It has been tested thoroughly, with the bulk of the testing coming from Dwaggy's TESTCO Discord server. It's been looked at and tested by b4nny and lucrative as well.

Currently, the map is in beta. I'm still open to feedback and some layout changes however.

Current version: B11A
Map download and images: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/villa.8452/

Hey TFTV,

I've been working on this map for a while now, and I figured I should probably put up a feedback thread for it.

cp_villa is a 5cp map taking inspiration from Sunshine, Snakewater, and Gullywash. It has been tested thoroughly, with the bulk of the testing coming from Dwaggy's TESTCO Discord server. It's been looked at and tested by b4nny and lucrative as well.

Currently, the map is in beta. I'm still open to feedback and some layout changes however.

Current version: B11A
Map download and images: https://tf2maps.net/downloads/villa.8452/
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#2
-4 Frags +

when are we going to be pulling gullywash for this map

when are we going to be pulling gullywash for this map
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#3
8 Frags +

Had a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.

Had a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.
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#4
9 Frags +

played this in a map test pug, actually really enjoyed it, but stylax is correct. even in actual gameplay it still felt like I was consistently slamming into invisible walls on bombs

played this in a map test pug, actually really enjoyed it, but stylax is correct. even in actual gameplay it still felt like I was consistently slamming into invisible walls on bombs
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#5
2 Frags +
StylaxHad a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.

1000x this. Make it clear with actual walls where the players cannot go.

[quote=Stylax]Had a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.[/quote]
1000x this. Make it clear with actual walls where the players cannot go.
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#6
3 Frags +

the map feels like it is super easy to defend and hard to push anywhere (from a soldier main perspective), which imo will lead to a lot of spy offclass. open up some entrances to a more fluid gameplay

also the mid feels tiny and i feel like there is literally no chance for bombs because of scouts (apart from the 2 highbombs) or both of your sollies rollout extremely fast and roll and wipe enemies. i haven't played the map in an actual setting so i'm talking my ass off :D

everything else has been said already

the map feels like it is super easy to defend and hard to push anywhere (from a soldier main perspective), which imo will lead to a lot of spy offclass. open up some entrances to a more fluid gameplay

also the mid feels tiny and i feel like there is literally no chance for bombs because of scouts (apart from the 2 highbombs) or both of your sollies rollout extremely fast and roll and wipe enemies. i haven't played the map in an actual setting so i'm talking my ass off :D

everything else has been said already
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#7
7 Frags +
Rockzalso the mid feels tiny and i feel like there is literally no chance for bombs because of scouts (apart from the 2 highbombs) or both of your sollies rollout extremely fast and roll and wipe enemies. i haven't played the map in an actual setting so i'm talking my ass off :D

everything else has been said already

Mids being smaller and not forcing you into rotation style mids is actually way better for soldiers than scout. In playtesting it’s been pretty clearly demonstrated to be a soldier/demo dominated middle point

[quote=Rockz]also the mid feels tiny and i feel like there is literally no chance for bombs because of scouts (apart from the 2 highbombs) or both of your sollies rollout extremely fast and roll and wipe enemies. i haven't played the map in an actual setting so i'm talking my ass off :D

everything else has been said already[/quote]

Mids being smaller and not forcing you into rotation style mids is actually way better for soldiers than scout. In playtesting it’s been pretty clearly demonstrated to be a soldier/demo dominated middle point
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#8
2 Frags +
StylaxHad a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.
dbkplayed this in a map test pug, actually really enjoyed it, but stylax is correct. even in actual gameplay it still felt like I was consistently slamming into invisible walls on bombs

Could you send some examples of places that should have more obvious walls? I’m aware of this issue in some parts of the map, but I might have missed some.

[quote=Stylax]Had a quick jump around.

I like the aesthetic of the map. Something I don't like is that there are a lot of areas that look like you should be able to jump on or over them, but you can't.[/quote]

[quote=dbk]played this in a map test pug, actually really enjoyed it, but stylax is correct. even in actual gameplay it still felt like I was consistently slamming into invisible walls on bombs[/quote]

Could you send some examples of places that should have more obvious walls? I’m aware of this issue in some parts of the map, but I might have missed some.
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#9
2 Frags +

B1 Update:

  • Artpassed the map, although I'm aware of some visual bugs I'm intending to fix in B1A
  • Improved clipping throughout the map
  • Replaced small ammokits in fountain with medium ones.
B1 Update:

[list]
[*] Artpassed the map, although I'm aware of some visual bugs I'm intending to fix in B1A
[*] Improved clipping throughout the map
[*] Replaced small ammokits in fountain with medium ones.
[/list]
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#10
0 Frags +

B2 Update:

Restructured one side of last to make it more interesting

B2 Update:

Restructured one side of last to make it more interesting
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#11
2 Frags +

B3 Update:

  • Made some adjustments to last sightlines & put stuff under the raised wooden platform on last
  • Re-designed the right push route from lobby into last - in testing, this has proven to be too powerful and fast of a push route
  • Added a ramp and boulder on right push route into last
  • Redesigned cellar

Also s/o to RGL for allowing this into the Fall Map Cup!

B3 Update:

[list]
[*] Made some adjustments to last sightlines & put stuff under the raised wooden platform on last
[*] Re-designed the right push route from lobby into last - in testing, this has proven to be too powerful and fast of a push route
[*] Added a ramp and boulder on right push route into last
[*] Redesigned cellar
[/list]

Also s/o to RGL for allowing this into the Fall Map Cup!
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#12
0 Frags +

B3A Update:
Fixed asymmetry issues

B3A Update:
Fixed asymmetry issues
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#13
1 Frags +

seems like rolling out left side is way better for demo while everyone else should go right side
mid and lobby/last feel great to play on, but 2nd is a bit too big and i wouldnt know where to hold on it
it could be interesting to replace the pillar under the mid point with a small healthpack for some risk-reward
Full playtest

seems like rolling out left side is way better for demo while everyone else should go right side
mid and lobby/last feel great to play on, but 2nd is a bit too big and i wouldnt know where to hold on it
it could be interesting to replace the pillar under the mid point with a small healthpack for some risk-reward
[url=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/512668967?t=4h]Full playtest[/url]
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#14
0 Frags +

B3B Update:

  • Fixed some incorrect textures
  • Did some minor detail work
  • Fixed clipping on the planks on second
  • Added soundscapes
B3B Update:
[list]
[*] Fixed some incorrect textures
[*] Did some minor detail work
[*] Fixed clipping on the planks on second
[*] Added soundscapes
[/list]
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#15
-1 Frags +

B4 Update:

  • Removed boulder and crate/barrels pile on last
  • Blocked up some sightlines on last with fences
  • Made some doorways into last smaller
  • Moved staircase away from the shutter in lobby
  • Made some clipping improvements around the map
B4 Update:
[list]
[* ]Removed boulder and crate/barrels pile on last
[*] Blocked up some sightlines on last with fences
[*] Made some doorways into last smaller
[*] Moved staircase away from the shutter in lobby
[*] Made some clipping improvements around the map
[/list]
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#16
-1 Frags +

B5 Update

  • Raised/replaced the wood fence on right side of last
  • Reduced the size of the stone fence on last to open up an angle for attackers
  • Made barriers by the point on mid transparent
  • Turned the wood ramp out of cellar to last into a grass displacement
B5 Update
[list]
[*]Raised/replaced the wood fence on right side of last
[*]Reduced the size of the stone fence on last to open up an angle for attackers
[*]Made barriers by the point on mid transparent
[*]Turned the wood ramp out of cellar to last into a grass displacement
[/list]
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#17
1 Frags +

B6 Update

  • Added foliage detailing (vines, grass)
  • Added more out-of-bounds detailing on last
  • Made the wall around the doorway between tunnel and cellar on last a transparent texture and reduced the door size
B6 Update
[list]
[*] Added foliage detailing (vines, grass)
[*] Added more out-of-bounds detailing on last
[*] Made the wall around the doorway between tunnel and cellar on last a transparent texture and reduced the door size
[/list]
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#18
0 Frags +

B6A Update:
Very minor fixes to wallbugs, a missing decal, and a broken displacement

B6A Update:
Very minor fixes to wallbugs, a missing decal, and a broken displacement
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#19
-1 Frags +

B6B Update:
Fixed a wallbug and some grass sprites sticking through places they shouldn't be.

B6B Update:
Fixed a wallbug and some grass sprites sticking through places they shouldn't be.
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#20
1 Frags +

very good map, idk why but i feel the underpass under point feels like spam city and really doesn't provide for a good "lower" flank

i think second point would benefit more from having an extra place to high bomb from

second point gazebo shouldn't have an invisible wall around it, got confused when i got blocked by it during a bomb. i do like that you cant stand on it though cause aerial denial would be massive with it

very good map, idk why but i feel the underpass under point feels like spam city and really doesn't provide for a good "lower" flank

i think second point would benefit more from having an extra place to high bomb from

second point gazebo shouldn't have an invisible wall around it, got confused when i got blocked by it during a bomb. i do like that you cant stand on it though cause aerial denial would be massive with it
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#21
-1 Frags +
1jayyvery good map, idk why but i feel the underpass under point feels like spam city and really doesn't provide for a good "lower" flank

i think second point would benefit more from having an extra place to high bomb from

second point gazebo shouldn't have an invisible wall around it, got confused when i got blocked by it during a bomb. i do like that you cant stand on it though cause aerial denial would be massive with it

Thanks for the feedback. I could try opening up the underpass a bit more to address the spam issue. As for the invisible wall above gazebo, there's no easy fix to that. Either you can stand on the roof or you can't. Only other option would be to make it a lighthouse or something in which case I'm completely ripping off sunshine. I've heard from multiple people that attacking second as soldier is a pain, so I want to address that in the next update, possible adding new highbomb spots, although it would help if you could show me where on the map you want to see them.

[quote=1jayy]very good map, idk why but i feel the underpass under point feels like spam city and really doesn't provide for a good "lower" flank

i think second point would benefit more from having an extra place to high bomb from

second point gazebo shouldn't have an invisible wall around it, got confused when i got blocked by it during a bomb. i do like that you cant stand on it though cause aerial denial would be massive with it[/quote]

Thanks for the feedback. I could try opening up the underpass a bit more to address the spam issue. As for the invisible wall above gazebo, there's no easy fix to that. Either you can stand on the roof or you can't. Only other option would be to make it a lighthouse or something in which case I'm completely ripping off sunshine. I've heard from multiple people that attacking second as soldier is a pain, so I want to address that in the next update, possible adding new highbomb spots, although it would help if you could show me where on the map you want to see them.
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#22
1 Frags +

hey man, I loved the map in the rgl cup, my biggest issue was when the enemy team is holding second point and you have mid, the demo can lock out choke/double door, both soldiers spam the elbow, and then one scout sits on the rocks by second point watching the fountain area so no one can flank the demo holding choke. That is what FROYO did and it was incredibly impossible to even get a sack through any door, but I think if the fountain walls were opened up instead of having a weird skybox, then you could send a soldier onto the demo by choke or do some type of speed shot, opening up the sacking and pushing opportunities. Either a change on the fountain area or making the skybox not weird/blocked would be beneficial, imo. Either way really enjoyed the map and can't wait to see where this one ends up :)

hey man, I loved the map in the rgl cup, my biggest issue was when the enemy team is holding second point and you have mid, the demo can lock out choke/double door, both soldiers spam the elbow, and then one scout sits on the rocks by second point watching the fountain area so no one can flank the demo holding choke. That is what FROYO did and it was incredibly impossible to even get a sack through any door, but I think if the fountain walls were opened up instead of having a weird skybox, then you could send a soldier onto the demo by choke or do some type of speed shot, opening up the sacking and pushing opportunities. Either a change on the fountain area or making the skybox not weird/blocked would be beneficial, imo. Either way really enjoyed the map and can't wait to see where this one ends up :)
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#23
-1 Frags +

B7 Update:
Took some feedback from the map cup for this. Note: this doesn't mean this is the ONLY feedback I'm responding to, expect more possible changes based on map cup feedback.

  • Redesigned truck completely
  • Raised the fence on second
  • Made shape of big wall the same on both second points
  • New map lighting and skybox
  • Blocked sightline on second
  • Fixed some clipping issues
  • Opened up sewer under mid

EDIT: I forgot to compile with clipping so I re-uploaded as B7A

B7 Update:
Took some feedback from the map cup for this. Note: this doesn't mean this is the ONLY feedback I'm responding to, expect more possible changes based on map cup feedback.

[list]
[*]Redesigned truck completely
[*]Raised the fence on second
[*]Made shape of big wall the same on both second points
[*]New map lighting and skybox
[*]Blocked sightline on second
[*]Fixed some clipping issues
[*]Opened up sewer under mid
[/list]

EDIT: I forgot to compile with clipping so I re-uploaded as B7A
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#24
2 Frags +

B8 Update:

  • Added a 3D skybox
  • Did some detailing
  • Improved lighting
  • Re-positioned forward spawn on second
  • Made small quality of life changes to geometry around the map (smoothed out a ramp on second, removed part of a wood barrier on second, moved boxes slightly in lobby)
  • Raised and covered the roof of fountain, made doorway into second from fountain larger
  • Optimized the map more so it doesn't kill framerates
B8 Update:
[list]
[*] Added a 3D skybox
[*] Did some detailing
[*] Improved lighting
[*] Re-positioned forward spawn on second
[*] Made small quality of life changes to geometry around the map (smoothed out a ramp on second, removed part of a wood barrier on second, moved boxes slightly in lobby)
[*] Raised and covered the roof of fountain, made doorway into second from fountain larger
[*] Optimized the map more so it doesn't kill framerates
[/list]
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#25
1 Frags +

B9 Update:
This update addresses some of the general complaints I've been hearing about the map, particularly from the most recent ozfortress cup in which it was played

  • Made mid bigger
  • Removed the market stall on mid and pulled the stairs over to reduce clutter
  • Slightly reduced the size of fountain and changed the stairwell a bit, moved the health and ammo pack to the bottom of the stairs
  • Changed the wood boards on second to an actual staircase connecting the exit from fountain into second to the high ground by choke
  • Redesigned the entrance from cafe into lobby
  • Added a small health pack under the hedge on last
  • Added more boulders outside of the map to hide a seam with the 3d skybox
  • Fixed a wallbug on mid

EDIT: Updated to B9A to fix missing clipping

B9 Update:
This update addresses some of the general complaints I've been hearing about the map, particularly from the most recent ozfortress cup in which it was played
[list]
[*] Made mid bigger
[*] Removed the market stall on mid and pulled the stairs over to reduce clutter
[*] Slightly reduced the size of fountain and changed the stairwell a bit, moved the health and ammo pack to the bottom of the stairs
[*] Changed the wood boards on second to an actual staircase connecting the exit from fountain into second to the high ground by choke
[*] Redesigned the entrance from cafe into lobby
[*] Added a small health pack under the hedge on last
[*] Added more boulders outside of the map to hide a seam with the 3d skybox
[*] Fixed a wallbug on mid
[/list]

EDIT: Updated to B9A to fix missing clipping
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#26
0 Frags +

B10 Update:

  • Redesigned shack on mid
  • Slightly changed the terrain of mid with more displacements
  • Added stairs and a platform on mid
B10 Update:
[list]
[*] Redesigned shack on mid
[*] Slightly changed the terrain of mid with more displacements
[*] Added stairs and a platform on mid
[/list]
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#27
0 Frags +

B11 Update:

  • Moved shack on mid
  • Re-designed tower and stairs to it on mid

EDIT: Patched invisible textures with B11A update

B11 Update:
[list]
[*] Moved shack on mid
[*] Re-designed tower and stairs to it on mid
[/list]
EDIT: Patched invisible textures with B11A update
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#28
-1 Frags +

B12 Update:

- More detailing around the map
- Changed the geometry of the tiled high ground on last slightly
- Lowered the jump height on top of the vine post in valley
- Changed shack on mid
- Opened up the door from fountain into mid
- Removed the sign over valley
- Added another small ammo pack to last

B12 Update:

- More detailing around the map
- Changed the geometry of the tiled high ground on last slightly
- Lowered the jump height on top of the vine post in valley
- Changed shack on mid
- Opened up the door from fountain into mid
- Removed the sign over valley
- Added another small ammo pack to last
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