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Ban Pred and Degu v2
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#31
8 Frags +
botmodeStochast1cThere is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing. disagree
this isn't about community leaders needing to change this is a pretty common issue not just limited to TF2
we need to keep talking about this stuff if there is to be real, meaningful, widespread change

I agree with botmode on this, keeping the conversation going shows that this is something that is 1) okay to talk about and 2) something that needs to be talked about. Everything has gone under the radar due to the lack of conversations about this and I worry that if the conversation ends here, everything will return to what it was before.

[quote=botmode][quote=Stochast1c]There is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing. [/quote]
disagree
this isn't about community leaders needing to change this is a pretty common issue not just limited to TF2
we need to keep talking about this stuff if there is to be real, meaningful, widespread change[/quote]

I agree with botmode on this, keeping the conversation going shows that this is something that is 1) okay to talk about and 2) something that[i] needs[/i] to be talked about. Everything has gone under the radar due to the lack of conversations about this and I worry that if the conversation ends here, everything will return to what it was before.
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#32
29 Frags +
DoomsdayexeMakWandumwho hurt you
comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot

the whole thing imploded from "jokes" made in bad taste and you decide to fight it with just that?

[quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Mak][quote=Wandum]who hurt you[/quote]

comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo[/quote]

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot[/quote]
the whole thing imploded from "jokes" made in bad taste and you decide to fight it with just that?
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#33
17 Frags +
DoomsdayexeMakWandumwho hurt you
comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot

as the social media manager of tf2pl you should know way better, and your apology is not sincere but because of the backlash. Very unprofessional

[quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Mak][quote=Wandum]who hurt you[/quote]

comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo[/quote]

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot[/quote]
as the social media manager of tf2pl you should know way better, and your apology is not sincere but because of the backlash. Very unprofessional
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#34
-27 Frags +
MakDoomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

[quote=Mak][quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large[/img][/quote]

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude
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#35
4 Frags +
hamahamI will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.".

pretty sure that's not a real quote i think i looked it up before

[quote=hamaham]I will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.".[/quote]
pretty sure that's not a real quote i think i looked it up before
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#36
20 Frags +
DoomsdayexeMakDoomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

yea thats what you get if you let other people have power over the word and deem its unusable, if you call your bf a cute faggot, it's obviously not homophobic but it still would get word filtered

[quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Mak][quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large[/img][/quote]

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude[/quote]
yea thats what you get if you let other people have power over the word and deem its unusable, if you call your bf a cute faggot, it's obviously not homophobic but it still would get word filtered
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#37
30 Frags +
DoomsdayexeMakDoomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

"im gay therefore i can get to make gay jokes, so piss off ya straight wanker"

[quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Mak][quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large[/img][/quote]

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude[/quote]

"im gay therefore i can get to make gay jokes, so piss off ya straight wanker"
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#38
6 Frags +
drawdedhamahamI will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.".pretty sure that's not a real quote i think i looked it up before

I am referencing the fact that I posted it in the other thread, even if it's not a certified (insert famous philosopher here) quote it's still a really valid one.

[quote=drawded][quote=hamaham]I will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.".[/quote]
pretty sure that's not a real quote i think i looked it up before[/quote]
I am referencing the fact that I posted it in the other thread, even if it's not a certified (insert famous philosopher here) quote it's still a really valid one.
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#39
20 Frags +

So before this thread turns into a "Fuck Doomsday for saying gay and insulting comp players" thread:

Are people agreed on that professionalism in competitive TF2 should be something that should be endorsed/enforced?

So before this thread turns into a "Fuck Doomsday for saying gay and insulting comp players" thread:

Are people agreed on that professionalism in competitive TF2 should be something that should be endorsed/enforced?
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#40
16 Frags +
skatesDoomsdayexeMakDoomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

"im gay therefore i can get to make gay jokes, so piss off ya straight wanker"

At the risk of being insulted myself
He's gay and he's calling himself gay, and he used no slurs, just the word "gay". What's the problem?

[quote=skates][quote=Doomsdayexe][quote=Mak][quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large[/img][/quote]

someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude[/quote]

"im gay therefore i can get to make gay jokes, so piss off ya straight wanker"[/quote]

At the risk of being insulted myself
He's gay and he's calling himself gay, and he used no slurs, just the word "gay". What's the problem?
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#41
16 Frags +
Doomsdayexesomeone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude

someone uh
I DONT GIVE A FUCK LOL

[quote=Doomsdayexe]
someone break it to this dude that i'm gay
like
dude[/quote]

someone uh
I DONT GIVE A FUCK LOL
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#42
11 Frags +

It’s not professional it’s just being a decent human being man

It’s not professional it’s just being a decent human being man
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#43
4 Frags +

after page 5 of the last thread, everything to be said had been said. Not really a need for this is there

after page 5 of the last thread, everything to be said had been said. Not really a need for this is there
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#44
3 Frags +

Pred and degu 100% need to be banned and held accountable for their actions.
The idea that etf2l doesn’t need to anything about it since the whole ordeal went down through Twitter is completely wrong. Everywhere in real life you are held accountable for what you say outside of that place. If a top athlete says a racist remark on instagram they ARE punished for it in their sport. So it makes no sense as to why we shouldn’t do the same

Pred and degu 100% need to be banned and held accountable for their actions.
The idea that etf2l doesn’t need to anything about it since the whole ordeal went down through Twitter is completely wrong. Everywhere in real life you are held accountable for what you say outside of that place. If a top athlete says a racist remark on instagram they ARE punished for it in their sport. So it makes no sense as to why we shouldn’t do the same
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#45
122 Frags +

Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/
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#46
13 Frags +
Stinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

Thank you. I'm happy to hear that ETF2L has this stance on the matter and that they are willing to improve the atmosphere within the community.

[quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]

Thank you. I'm happy to hear that ETF2L has this stance on the matter and that they are willing to improve the atmosphere within the community.
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#47
23 Frags +
Furthermore, the bin– who Pred is a leader for and hence is a representative of the team – will only be awarded 50% of their prizemoney for last season. The other half of 175 € in total will be donated to a charity of uberchain‘s choice which supports victims of sexual harassment and abuse. Our sponsors as well as uberchain have welcomed the idea of sending a message this way. We are aware that this is only a small gesture, but a signal like this can go a long way.

Nice.

[quote]Furthermore, the bin– who Pred is a leader for and hence is a representative of the team – will only be awarded 50% of their prizemoney for last season. The other half of 175 € in total will be donated to a charity of uberchain‘s choice which supports victims of sexual harassment and abuse. Our sponsors as well as uberchain have welcomed the idea of sending a message this way. We are aware that this is only a small gesture, but a signal like this can go a long way.[/quote]

Nice.
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#48
17 Frags +
Stinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

Thank you so much for this. The tf2 community can, and hopefully will, become a place where all people feel welcome.

[quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]
Thank you so much for this. The tf2 community can, and hopefully will, become a place where all people feel welcome.
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#49
-5 Frags +
Stinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

This is a good idea. Thank you.

The first thread was locked for a reason, I feel like posts on this thread are just gonna be repeats of what's already been said, don't be a shitty person.

[quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]
This is a good idea. Thank you.

The first thread was locked for a reason, I feel like posts on this thread are just gonna be repeats of what's already been said, don't be a shitty person.
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#50
Tip of the Hats
71 Frags +

I think this thread is fine so long it is a discussion on how to move forward. I find it rather obnoxious and unproductive when people are inserting themselves into this thread as trolls or heroes. It doesn't matter who the good guy or bad guy is, this should be about disallowing unacceptable behavior and attitudes. People can have their hateful worldviews but it shouldn't be acceptable for it to bleed onto everyone else wherever they go. Further, things are not so black and white. No one is perfect nor absolute scum, the way people express themselves might come off as one or the other but it's simply not the reality. You can't change other people, but you can limit their behavior in places where you have the authority.

Thankfully, through all of this, many sites seem to be announcing rules and hopefully they will be enforcing them. The best action moving forward is to make sure the rules are fair and enforced.

I think this thread is fine so long it is a discussion on how to move forward. I find it rather obnoxious and unproductive when people are inserting themselves into this thread as trolls or heroes. It doesn't matter who the good guy or bad guy is, this should be about disallowing unacceptable behavior and attitudes. People can have their hateful worldviews but it shouldn't be acceptable for it to bleed onto everyone else wherever they go. Further, things are not so black and white. No one is perfect nor absolute scum, the way people express themselves might come off as one or the other but it's simply not the reality. You can't change other people, but you can limit their behavior in places where you have the authority.

Thankfully, through all of this, many sites seem to be announcing rules and hopefully they will be enforcing them. The best action moving forward is to make sure the rules are fair and enforced.
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#51
-57 Frags +

this is stupid lol

this is stupid lol
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#52
9 Frags +

I could never understand why someone would be so mean and cruel to such a sweetheart like Uberchain :(

I could never understand why someone would be so mean and cruel to such a sweetheart like Uberchain :(
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#53
-56 Frags +

so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought

so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought
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#54
37 Frags +
eevvso anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought

so anyway how bout u dont use slurs and be a normal person if u dont like to be banned from leagues idk just a thought

[quote=eevv]so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought[/quote]

so anyway how bout u dont use slurs and be a normal person if u dont like to be banned from leagues idk just a thought
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#55
37 Frags +
eevvso anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought

It amazes me that people are still saying things like this through a combined 526 posts of this thread.

[quote=eevv]so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought[/quote]

It amazes me that people are still saying things like this through a combined 526 posts of this thread.
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#56
2 Frags +

Here are my 2 cents on the matter:
I hate the fact that people can't just not...you know...be assholes? I don't get it.
But I don't want them to be beaten up IRL for this. I know, Pred and Degu were being actual asshats in this case, but if we threaten them, we're stooping down to their level.
I don't hate them as human beings, nor am I excusing this behavior (hell no). I personally want to see them apologize so that this can blow over.
Good job to Uberchain for everything, in all honesty. You have my respect.
To Pred and Degu:
Say goodbye to your V-Bucks.

Here are my 2 cents on the matter:
I hate the fact that people can't just not...you know...be assholes? I don't get it.
But I don't want them to be beaten up IRL for this. I know, Pred and Degu were being actual asshats in this case, but if we threaten them, we're stooping down to their level.
I don't hate them as human beings, nor am I excusing this behavior (hell no). I personally want to see them apologize so that this can blow over.
Good job to Uberchain for everything, in all honesty. You have my respect.
To Pred and Degu:
Say goodbye to your V-Bucks.
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#57
22 Frags +

Don't agree with harrassing people but literally all degu did was post this image

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in reply to uberchain's tweet, is that seriously worth a 2 month ban?

Don't agree with harrassing people but literally all degu did was post this image

[spoiler][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj36KFQXoAECk7r.jpg[/img][/spoiler]

in reply to uberchain's tweet, is that seriously worth a 2 month ban?
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#58
2 Frags +
Raymoneevvso anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought
It amazes me that people are still saying things like this through a combined 526 posts of this thread.

people who say things like this have read at most 2 of said posts though

[quote=Raymon][quote=eevv]so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought[/quote]

It amazes me that people are still saying things like this through a combined 526 posts of this thread.[/quote]

people who say things like this have read at most 2 of said posts though
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#59
21 Frags +
scrabDon't agree with harrassing people but literally all degu did was post this image
<snip>
in reply to uberchain's tweet, is that seriously worth a 2 month ban?

As a dismissive response to uberchain finally having built up the courage to speak out about a long-drawn series of issues regarding harassment and sexual abuse while at the same time endorsing Pred's ridiculous comment?

I think it is, and those on the ETF2L staff think so too it seems.

[quote=scrab]Don't agree with harrassing people but literally all degu did was post this image
<snip>
in reply to uberchain's tweet, is that seriously worth a 2 month ban?[/quote]

As a dismissive response to uberchain finally having built up the courage to speak out about a long-drawn series of issues regarding harassment and sexual abuse while at the same time endorsing Pred's ridiculous comment?

I think it is, and those on the ETF2L staff think so too it seems.
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#60
6 Frags +
eevvso anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought

because pressing the mute button unharasses you instantly. It reverses time! it also magically turns the racists/homophobes/transphobes into normal people and a unicorn will make you a healthy fruit smoothie. You are smart! The existence of the mute button takes away the need for consequences for one's actions!

Stinson_OutOur statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/

Nice

[quote=eevv]so anyway how bout u mute people if u dont like to hear them idk just a thought[/quote]
because pressing the mute button unharasses you instantly. It reverses time! it also magically turns the racists/homophobes/transphobes into normal people and a unicorn will make you a healthy fruit smoothie. You are smart! The existence of the mute button takes away the need for consequences for one's actions!

[quote=Stinson_Out]Our statement:

http://etf2l.org/official-statement/[/quote]
Nice
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