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"Overwatch League - The Safe Space of Esports"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwM7qn9SUuA

Thoughts?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwM7qn9SUuA[/youtube]

Thoughts?
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#2
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God, OW looks like a lot of fun not only in-game, but outside of it as well :)

God, OW looks like a lot of fun not only in-game, but outside of it as well :)
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#3
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Blizzard have latched onto the fact that overwatch is an 'all-inclusive' game, that everyone can play no matter what type of person you are, ethnicity, gender etc. and they are taking it to the most extreme degree. Trying to police an anonymous chat room (twitch chat) is a futile task and is only making every other community point and laugh at the OWL for even trying.

Blizzard have latched onto the fact that overwatch is an 'all-inclusive' game, that everyone can play no matter what type of person you are, ethnicity, gender etc. and they are taking it to the most extreme degree. Trying to police an anonymous chat room (twitch chat) is a futile task and is only making every other community point and laugh at the OWL for even trying.
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#4
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my thought is "piss"

my thought is "piss"
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#5
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whenever i see this sort of shit it reminds me of why tf2 is in some ways better off not being a huge esport.

whenever i see this sort of shit it reminds me of why tf2 is in some ways better off not being a huge esport.
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#6
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Blizzard are trying so hard to make a professional esports league, but their policies are turning the game into an actual joke and literally sucking every fun part out of esports as a whole.
Not to mention their piss-poor management of the game in general. The absolutely useless PTR (changes shipped without community feedback mattering); updates literally only centered around hyping up skins to sell more lootboxes; ignoring feedback from high-level gameplay and instead balancing around quickplay; their atrocious """"toxicity"""" policy, not allowing you to play the game in a way you like, even in quickplay, or for using voicelines, or taunts... the list goes on.
"Having fun in our game? No thank you, thanks for the 40$ btw."

It's a shame really, OW is an okay game, fun to watch at times and obviously a lot of the personalities in the OWL are amazing people, but Blizzard are a fucking joke.

Blizzard are trying so hard to make a professional esports league, but their policies are turning the game into an actual joke and literally sucking every fun part out of esports as a whole.
Not to mention their piss-poor management of the game in general. The absolutely useless PTR (changes shipped without community feedback mattering); updates literally only centered around hyping up skins to sell more lootboxes; ignoring feedback from high-level gameplay and instead balancing around quickplay; their atrocious """"toxicity"""" policy, not allowing you to play the game in a way you like, even in quickplay, or for using voicelines, or taunts... the list goes on.
"Having fun in our game? No thank you, thanks for the 40$ btw."

It's a shame really, OW is an okay game, fun to watch at times and obviously a lot of the personalities in the OWL are amazing people, but Blizzard are a fucking joke.
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#7
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that tairong meme is far worse than everything xqc did in that video

that tairong meme is far worse than everything xqc did in that video
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#8
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If e-sports continue to take off and grow this will become more and more common place.

You can be a relatively small competitive scene'd game like Team Fortress 2 where for the most part the community tries to police itself on how much or how little inclusive it is for better or worse, but it has very little money in it and everything is essentially grass roots and built by the community for the community, main downside being that due to there not being money in general and the dev support likely not being all there this type of experience is essentially guaranteed to wither eventually as players/casters/community builders move on to other games where they are better rewarded for their time/energy even if they don't enjoy those other things as much. As e-sports continue to take off and the years go by these kind of games will become more and more rare. (I think you can easily argue this is already happening, the amount of competitive games with no dev interaction is minimal, and the ones that do exist don't even make it to 25% of TF2's lifetime nowadays.)

Or you can be a very large competitive game, heavily backed by the developers with in-game MTX/advertising support, large sponsor support, and lots of companies all intertwined. Due to the sheer amount of money/marketing/brand imagery, a higher level of professionalism is required and you have to be extremely inclusive (or at least, maintain the image that you are such) to make all of said companies happy/look good. They will steer away from imagery that has any real negative connotation, even if it can mean other things. They will put greater emphasis on punishing what is publicly hurting their brands/image more than what isn't, even if what isn't noticed is worse than what is noticed. This is the kind of game you can genuinely live off of as a real job, but it is a real job and you actually have to treat it like that every waking hour you're making yourself public or else you'll get dumpstered, and since e-sports is on the Internet and kind of super intertwined getting dumpstered in one game is likely to just end your career in any game if it's severe enough. (e.g. the recent DK drama in OW, if that pans out he's basically done in anything e-sports)

There's really not much of an in between here, when money and companies and branding gets involved, so does professionalism and some people need to put on a fake face to make it. Even real life sports have penalized players for homophobic remarks and other such behavior. If people hire you and put you under contracts and sponsorships, you have to do your best to represent them publicly, that's life.

If Valve ever hypothetically actually invested into competitive TF2, it'd go the same way.

e:

Sorry just got off work.

To specify, obviously I did not mean TF2 would be anywhere near as strict as OWL, Valve gets their e-sports money from the community currently so there's no reason it would be as strict as OWL since they aren't as beholden to other companies, but Valve would still heavily punish someone if they dropped the n word or homo/transphobia at an International stream/interview or something on that level, which would be more strict than the current TF2 situation where we've had players scream the n word at ESEA LAN and go completely unpunished, still able to play competitively and all that. Plus players would still be beholden to sponsors at the top end if they wanted to keep them for wages/gaming houses/LAN travel coverage, etc.

If e-sports continue to take off and grow this will become more and more common place.

You can be a relatively small competitive scene'd game like Team Fortress 2 where for the most part the community tries to police itself on how much or how little inclusive it is for better or [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/16106/rip-tagg#21]worse[/url], but it has very little money in it and everything is essentially grass roots and built by the community for the community, main downside being that due to there not being money in general and the dev support likely not being all there this type of experience is essentially guaranteed to wither eventually as players/casters/community builders move on to other games where they are better rewarded for their time/energy even if they don't enjoy those other things as much. As e-sports continue to take off and the years go by these kind of games will become more and more rare. (I think you can easily argue this is already happening, the amount of competitive games with no dev interaction is minimal, and the ones that do exist don't even make it to 25% of TF2's lifetime nowadays.)

Or you can be a very large competitive game, heavily backed by the developers with in-game MTX/advertising support, large sponsor support, and lots of companies all intertwined. Due to the sheer amount of money/marketing/brand imagery, a higher level of professionalism is required and you have to be extremely inclusive (or at least, maintain the image that you are such) to make all of said companies happy/look good. They will steer away from imagery that has any real negative connotation, even if it can mean other things. They will put greater emphasis on punishing what is publicly hurting their brands/image more than what isn't, even if what isn't noticed is worse than what is noticed. This is the kind of game you can genuinely live off of as a real job, but it is a real job and you actually have to treat it like that every waking hour you're making yourself public or else you'll get dumpstered, and since e-sports is on the Internet and kind of super intertwined getting dumpstered in one game is likely to just end your career in any game if it's severe enough. (e.g. the recent DK drama in OW, if that pans out he's basically done in anything e-sports)

There's really not much of an in between here, when money and companies and branding gets involved, so does professionalism and some people need to put on a fake face to make it. Even real life sports have penalized players for homophobic remarks and other such behavior. If people hire you and put you under contracts and sponsorships, you have to do your best to represent them publicly, that's life.

If Valve ever hypothetically actually invested into competitive TF2, it'd go the same way.

e:

Sorry just got off work.

To specify, obviously I did not mean TF2 would be anywhere near as strict as OWL, Valve gets their e-sports money from the community currently so there's no reason it would be as strict as OWL since they aren't as beholden to other companies, but Valve would still heavily punish someone if they dropped the n word or homo/transphobia at an International stream/interview or something on that level, which would be more strict than the current TF2 situation where we've had players scream the n word at ESEA LAN and go completely unpunished, still able to play competitively and all that. Plus players would still be beholden to sponsors at the top end if they wanted to keep them for wages/gaming houses/LAN travel coverage, etc.
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#9
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siege is adopting this safe space thing and it makes me big sad

siege is adopting this safe space thing and it makes me big sad
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#10
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OWL has problems but this video isnt really the best

OWL has problems but this video isnt really the best
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#11
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DarkNecridIf e-sports continue to take off and grow this will become more and more common place.

If Valve ever hypothetically actually invested into competitive TF2, it'd go the same way.

No.

https://imgur.com/a/Gsq0m

[quote=DarkNecrid]If e-sports continue to take off and grow this will become more and more common place.


If Valve ever hypothetically actually invested into competitive TF2, it'd go the same way.[/quote]

No.

https://imgur.com/a/Gsq0m
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#12
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I dont know whats bad:

blizzard's favouritism and inclusion
or
unnecessary voice lines every 10 slides in a serious video?

Also, I dont think Valve has ever behaved like this to their players even when personality like Bulldog has openly said the N word in his Twitch streams and condone racial behaviours in his Twitch Chat.

I dont know whats bad:

blizzard's favouritism and inclusion
or
unnecessary voice lines every 10 slides in a serious video?

Also, I dont think Valve has ever behaved like this to their players even when personality like Bulldog has openly said the N word in his Twitch streams and condone racial behaviours in his Twitch Chat.
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#13
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I'd fine someone 4,000 dollars for thinking pepe is funny if I could

I'd fine someone 4,000 dollars for thinking pepe is funny if I could
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#14
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You can be a relatively small competitive scene'd game like Team Fortress 2 where for the most part the community tries to police itself

hmm. we can pat ourselves on the back for being a small e-sport with an authentic community or whatever, but tagg left for a reason. i'm generally embarrassed by any interactions with at least a quarter of the community. sorry to go against the anti-blizzard hate train; that part i'm indifferent about.

[quote]You can be a relatively small competitive scene'd game like Team Fortress 2 where for the most part the community tries to police itself[/quote]

hmm. we can pat ourselves on the back for being a small e-sport with an authentic community or whatever, but tagg left for a reason. i'm generally embarrassed by any interactions with at least a quarter of the community. sorry to go against the anti-blizzard hate train; that part i'm indifferent about.
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#15
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I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with silencing and punishing people who are racist, homophobic, and worst of all, islamophobic?

I dont see the problem. Whats wrong with silencing and punishing people who are racist, homophobic, and worst of all, islamophobic?
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#16
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https://i.imgur.com/tpHELhg.gif

[img]https://i.imgur.com/tpHELhg.gif[/img]
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#17
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They should really be cracking down on the people committing actual crimes first.

Also

https://i.redd.it/mv8e71aygtq01.jpg

They should really be cracking down on the people committing actual crimes first.


Also[img]https://i.redd.it/mv8e71aygtq01.jpg[/img]
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JINGJING

Why'd you post that black guy?

[quote=JINGJING][/quote]
Why'd you post that black guy?
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#19
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WackyfireballThey should really be cracking down on the people committing actual crimes first.

Alsohttps://i.redd.it/mv8e71aygtq01.jpg

And that's not even everything...

[quote=Wackyfireball]They should really be cracking down on the people committing actual crimes first.


Also[img]https://i.redd.it/mv8e71aygtq01.jpg[/img][/quote]
And that's not even everything...
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#20
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It's really embarrassing when people go so far out of their way to not appear racist or sexist that they start handing out special treatment. I don't like being treated differently because of either my skin color or my gender, so when I see SJWs publicly making fools of themselves it's really cringeworthy.

It's really embarrassing when people go so far out of their way to not appear racist or sexist that they start handing out special treatment. I don't like being treated differently because of either my skin color or my gender, so when I see SJWs publicly making fools of themselves it's really cringeworthy.
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#21
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Glink makes (mostly) pretty good, informative videos. Go watch his CJayRide video, I think its one of his best ones.

And yea, Overwatch and its league blow

Glink makes (mostly) pretty good, informative videos. Go watch his CJayRide video, I think its one of his best ones.

And yea, Overwatch and its league blow
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4812622that tairong meme is far worse than everything xqc did in that video

The main difference in that is Tairong barely speaks english and didn't even understand what the meme meant, xQc knew what he was doing (I don't think any of that shit was ban worthy anyways)

[quote=4812622]that tairong meme is far worse than everything xqc did in that video[/quote]
The main difference in that is Tairong barely speaks english and didn't even understand what the meme meant, xQc knew what he was doing (I don't think any of that shit was ban worthy anyways)
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#23
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what's actually racist and what isn't seems to be at times a hazy line. i can understand why blizzard banned pepe because in some places it has been used as a dogwhistle to far-right racist ideology.... however while companies should not allow explicit hate on their platforms, going further than that will make them look absurd as it does here

what's actually racist and what isn't seems to be at times a hazy line. i can understand why blizzard banned pepe because in some places it has been used as a dogwhistle to far-right racist ideology.... however while companies should not allow explicit hate on their platforms, going further than that will make them look absurd as it does here
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#24
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the funny thing is that if this was a woman y'all wouldnt dare disrespect her because at the back of your decrepit twisted mind a sliver of fear remains, an aversion to drawing the wrath of a gentleman upon you, the wrath of a man like me

the funny thing is that if this was a woman y'all wouldnt dare disrespect her because at the back of your decrepit twisted mind a sliver of fear remains, an aversion to drawing the wrath of a gentleman upon you, the wrath of a man like me
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#25
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OWL might come off as a safe space in the world of esports, but the reality is esports is a massive safe space for retrograde ideas and jokes compared to the real world

try to talk like xQc at any actual job where a single woman, person of color, or LGBT person works or is a customer and see how long you last

does that mean I enjoy when corporations like Blizzard police speech the way they do? no, because I'm an actual leftist and therefore don't like it when massive power is concentrated in the hands of any corporation, whether it be an "sjw" company targeting speech or a business forcing its employees to watch anti-union propaganda or work overtime with no pay or whatever. it sucks that 2-3 companies have all the say in esports, whatever their beliefs may be

(p.s. blizzard as an entity doesn't really care about respect or decency, they just don't want advertisers to pull out, same as every other big business)

OWL might come off as a safe space in the world of esports, but the reality is esports is a massive safe space for retrograde ideas and jokes compared to the real world

try to talk like xQc at any actual job where a single woman, person of color, or LGBT person works or is a customer and see how long you last

does that mean I enjoy when corporations like Blizzard police speech the way they do? no, because I'm an actual leftist and therefore don't like it when massive power is concentrated in the hands of any corporation, whether it be an "sjw" company targeting speech or a business forcing its employees to watch anti-union propaganda or work overtime with no pay or whatever. it sucks that 2-3 companies have all the say in esports, whatever their beliefs may be

(p.s. blizzard as an entity doesn't really care about respect or decency, they just don't want advertisers to pull out, same as every other big business)
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#26
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https://gyazo.com/0668b4285d1c427a3cbf78be8470e171

https://gyazo.com/0668b4285d1c427a3cbf78be8470e171
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#27
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mustardoverlordOWL might come off as a safe space in the world of esports, but the reality is esports is a massive safe space for retrograde ideas and jokes compared to the real world

try to talk like xQc at any actual job where a single woman, person of color, or LGBT person works or is a customer and see how long you last

Pandering to thin-skinned people isn't progress, and actually hampers it. I wish people who think of themselves as "leftists" would actually realize this. Walking on eggshells with people who take offense at the slightest thing(no matter actual racist/sexist intent or not) is honestly a pretty damn scary way to live.

[quote=mustardoverlord]OWL might come off as a safe space in the world of esports, but the reality is esports is a massive safe space for retrograde ideas and jokes compared to the real world

try to talk like xQc at any actual job where a single woman, person of color, or LGBT person works or is a customer and see how long you last[/quote]
Pandering to thin-skinned people isn't progress, and actually hampers it. I wish people who think of themselves as "leftists" would actually realize this. Walking on eggshells with people who take offense at the slightest thing(no matter actual racist/sexist intent or not) is honestly a pretty damn scary way to live.
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#28
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idk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.

idk why esports companies think making esports more professional will make it appeal to moms and dads. normies probably imagine it as being all professional when they first hear about it, think its silly to take video games that seriously, and then they come across an overwatch match on espn-whatever and see exactly what they thought they would see.
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#29
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https://youtu.be/q12x2m_z6Ms?t=8m6s this guy has made some really fucking funny videos

https://youtu.be/q12x2m_z6Ms?t=8m6s this guy has made some really fucking funny videos
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#30
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"context"

"context"
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