"pay for our shiny new wall"
"no"
"i'll nuke you"
"what"

for those who view this post as overly simplistic

I read the entire thing and started copying and pasting sections to talk about and then I realized I was basically copying and pasting the entire document, soooo

ironically the term limits are one of the only things I agree with him on

As a person who is quite happy Trump has won but still questions his abilities as president, lets consider something.

Trump was expected not to win at all. It was supposed to be Clinton, everybody thought so. He turns around and does something very interesting and wins against all odds.
I think we should hold off on assuming that America is a doomed country. I think we need to relax and just wait. Trump has the potential to be a good president but while many people think it wont happen, I still believe he can come out on top as a good president with no one believing he can, just like this election.

I'm not saying Trump WILL be a good president, all I'm saying is that there's a chance. Let's let time tell us if that's true or not, eh? Let's act like sane human beings. Let's represent America in a better way. Even thought that's gonna be hard to do because of these protests but... oh well... we can try at least, right?

everyone is ignoring miwo's point but literally every friend i have IRL is in a similar boat where they'd quite likely have to drop out of school if they lost their insurance that they can only maintain through the ACA

how does it feel knowing you voted for someone who could kill millions of people :)

Basically, he is going to prevent money transfers to mexico from the US from non-citizens. We are talking billions a year, so he will propose that mexico does the one-time payment for the wall, or he will prevent the transactions, which will ensure that billions of dollars a year don't leave the country, and that will help finance the wall. He also says it is in mexicos interest as the wall would be a blow to the drug cartels which make a lot of their money selling in the US, and have become too powerful in mexico. It's all on his website, if you actually bothered to seek out more information about what he actually stands for

I would also assume he would hit Mexico with harsh tariffs if they refuse..

if he hits mexico with tariffs

and mexico's #1 trading partner is the US

how exactly does that not end up with the US paying for the wall?

you can try and defend the wall but it actually just makes you a retard. The cost of the wall would be more easily used by just paying anyone who claims to be fucked by immigrants to shut up. It costs ~$10k to deport someone, and $25bn for the dumb wall from construction alone. Illegal immigrants are nowhere near that damaging to the US economy, and some would argue they're a benefit.

there's a reason no one in the past 20 years has actually done anything about them: its a waste of money

Ofcourse they are not a problem for the business owners that can get their shit done for a fraction of the price, it's the people who should actually have had the jobs who are getting screwed. And people wonder why it's these exact people who voted for him

t. son of a man who has been struggling to have steady work for years because the EU let's in all these poles and lithuanians who do all the construction work illegally for a third of the price.

You're not american so I'll let you know where illegals work here

farm fields

the things that Americans have avoided for decades because you'd be lucky to hit minimum wage. Construction and shit is whatever. Immigrants do jobs that Americans don't want to do. It is very VERY easy to replace an immigrant in a tomato field around here if you wanted to, but it never happens.

tho it really just sounds like yr dad is a loser who needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps. What pathetic fucking cuck can't even find work lmao

https://action.aclu.org/secure/protect-rights-freedoms-we-believe

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/if-donald-trump-implements-his-proposed-policies-well-see-him-court

a "cuck" just like those who just absolutely BTFO you libtards in america. Funny how all the people who are not affected by this for some reason don't think it's a problem

i may be a libtard but my dad was never on welfare cause he couldn't find work

because i'm not the descendant of a loser

how does it feel to genetically be inferior to other people because your father is too pathetic to market himself?

xD o im laffin

This is what democrats have degenerated into, folks. Poetry. What happened to being the workingclass's voice? I guess virtuesignalling is more important now. Congratulations, look where it got you. And feels really really good to be the son of a man who worked honestly for 50 years and raised a healthy family, thanks.

lmao like I give a fuck about working class peasants

if you're too dumb to go to college you're too dumb to breathe

and you're clearly not healthy cause you're missing yr brain

lol

Pure shitpost, stop breathing.

you're getting trolled my man

obama care and the affordable care act hurt alot of people too my dudes
how does it sound to not be able to afford insurance and then obama comes along and says your gonna have to pay a fine for not having insurance... and then raises the price for obamacare

government controlled healthcare is not free of problems. Here in canada thosands of cancer patients die every year waiting for there condition to be accessed many of which go from being in early stage of cancer when they enter the list and being in a later possibly untreatable stage by the time they even get accessed

also I think trump has said before that he wants to remove and replace obamacare with a better system

What Is Real

Even though eee is pretty tilted, he has a point about immigrants doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do. The one problem that I fail to see with Trump is that he promises jobs for the Midwest working class but I am pretty sure a good portion don't want to milk cows or do other shitty labor jobs. Removing immigrants only open those "opportunities" and In some cases our economy rely on immigrants to do these jobs because they can't afford to pay an American to do the work.

hes just a shitposter my dude dont even think about him hes all over the place

your mom has you to blame for trump winning maybe if you didnt call everyone who disagrees with you a racist they wouldnt have all this backlash and vote in a populist candidate like trump

Trump's plan is to remove the ACA and replace it with Health Savings Accounts.

HSAs (might) work for people without chronic conditions -- you pay over a lifetime of good health into a tax free account, like an IRA, which then, hopefully by the time you have a large medical event (surgery, cancer, etc) your HSA has a high enough balance to pay. Beyond the high deductible, which you have saved up over months and months of paying into the account, the insurance company would cover the costs. So basically, years 1-9 you put money in every month, then when you have a $100,000 surgery for cancer in year 10, the money you put in (which grows tax free) gets yoinked first, then your insurance company covers the rest.

HOWEVER. If you have a chronic condition, you would essentially have to take the cost of your (very expensive) continuous care out of the HSA balance every year. When my family had an HSA, we depleted the very high deductible within months. No rollover, no tax benefits, no balance for when shit really hits the fan. It made zero sense for us to have an HSA because we were saving every month only to pay out of pocket -- which ended up being more expensive than just buckling down and buying insurance. I'm allowed to be on my parents' plan because of provisions in the ACA which extend family insurance coverage. (When that expires, in 3 years, I will buy insurance on the marketplace if such a thing still exists. Without the ACA, I will be denied insurance.)

What is Trump's plan for controlling costs within these HSAs for uninsured people? The biggest cost control proposed by opponents of the ACA -- exchanging insurance costs over state lines -- would reduce costs negligibly. So what is the plan?

There is a damn good reason why insurance and pharma companies continuously lobby against the public option, medicare, and medicaid. It cuts into profits.

Would those that you're mentioning as "uninsured" be those that are opting out of the program in favor of their own plans that benefit them more? Because I feel like if that's the demographic that can afford their own programs without many financial issues, then is there much of a reason to worry about them, since they are investing in a program that theoretically (or actually idk which tbh) would offer them more?

I understand that through reading the article that you linked that there's a little more than meets the eye when it comes to this kind of business across state lines, but is there a real reason why there are contracts between the doctors and the hospitals that were mentioned? I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious to see if there could be a possible solution that's not happening just because of a few things

taiwan and japan has lit healthcare because every single procedure is listed in a book next to a price set by the government

Not sure why someone was banned here? Looks like some mods are more politically sensitive

To be fair me Percy and viper only got like 1 hour bans but still the shit we got banned for was silly banter and we definitely should not have gotten banned for it..

Twitter is just a mass of people whining like petulant children. I didn't make enough popcorn for all this "If you voted for Donald Trump, you better unfollow me right now!" bullshit. I just hope all those terrible celebrities leave.

I should learn to speak russian

There is no "program" to opt out of.

The vast majority of Americans get health insurance through one of three places: A job or institution which provides such benefits, a family plan, or Medicare (seniors only) and Medicaid (below the poverty line only).

So if you have a chronic condition, your best bet is to be employed full time for a large firm or the government, be poor enough or old enough to qualify for Medicare or Medicaid, or be young enough to be on your parents' health plan which only exists if they are insured through work.

The demographic who can afford treatment for serious chronic illnesses without insurance is vanishingly small. Many people without these options go without insurance, which is ok for younger people, and not very ok for older people who have occasional health mishaps. That's also why people show up at the E.R. with unmanaged chronic conditions -- there is no money for insurance to treat chronic conditions, but the E.R. must take people who are sick, so people who don't have insurance end up letting minor things they can't afford turn into major things that require ambulances and surgery.

Also medical bankruptcy is the most common form of bankruptcy in the US.

Insurance companies generally require you see specific doctors (a network), take specific medications (among those available for your condition), and physically visit specific clinics. The insurance company does some negotiating with those parties to lower costs for the insurance company -- you pay sticker price for anything outside of the "network". When I switched insurance, for example, I changed insulins from Novolog (Novo Nordisk) to Humalog (Eli Lilly). I also changed doctors and clinics. Not for any health reason, mind, but so that my insurance company could get a cheaper rate on my care. I personally had issues with dosing when I switched doctors and medications -- didn't wake up one morning and had to take a $5000 ambulance ride. We negotiated the collectors on my ambulance debt down to around $1500 and paid out of pocket.

These reasons among others are why there are so many young people uninsured. Because it's an expensive nightmare. Might as well go bankrupt if you're in a bad car accident or have a freakish heart attack. Also, it's one reason for rising insurance costs -- fewer healthy policy holders to subsidize the sick and chronically ill.

When the ACA was passed, it did a number of things:

• Allowed young people to stay insured through their family's policy for longer
  
• Fined people and businesses without insurance (adding healthy, otherwise un-insured people to the pool -- lowering costs ultimately for everyone)
  
• Prohibited insurance companies from dropping chronically ill polcyholders
  
• Offered subsidies for people struggling to pay high insurance premiums

It was specifically designed to allow those people who fall through the cracks to get insured and have access to healthcare. But unfortunately, there was no public option -- i.e. no expansion of medicare to people younger than 65. The penalties for staying uninsured were too low -- the healthiest in the pool who are supposed to subsidize care for everyone else simply pay the fine and stay uninsured. Republicans vigorously fought both when the bill was on the floor. Actually, no, Republicans fought vigorously on every provision of the ACA.

So, when HRC had specific policy proposals to expand medicaid, expand the ACA, and potentially offer a public option... There was some hope there.

Instead, we need to burn the whole thing and leave it up to the magic of business (tm) to lower our rates. We'll see, I guess, won't we?