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NVidia GTX1080 and 1070 have been launched
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#31
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oh man literally a couple days after the thought of buying a desktop occurs to me, and they release a day before my birthday... someone pls build me a computer with this card, i have no idea how to ty god bless

oh man literally a couple days after the thought of buying a desktop occurs to me, and they release a day before my birthday... someone pls build me a computer with this card, i have no idea how to ty god bless
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lighthouseoh man literally a couple days after the thought of buying a desktop occurs to me, and they release a day before my birthday... someone pls build me a computer with this card, i have no idea how to ty god bless

If you are actually serious HMU with a PM. Can match a budget to a build that youd like.

[quote=lighthouse]oh man literally a couple days after the thought of buying a desktop occurs to me, and they release a day before my birthday... someone pls build me a computer with this card, i have no idea how to ty god bless[/quote]
If you are actually serious HMU with a PM. Can match a budget to a build that youd like.
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#33
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I'll be upgrading to a 1080 for sure...

I'll be upgrading to a 1080 for sure...
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#34
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I bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?

I bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?
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#35
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mafia_is_mafiaI bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?

most likely not at all, TF2 is pretty much always bottlenecked by CPU, not GPU.

[quote=mafia_is_mafia]I bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?[/quote]

most likely not at all, TF2 is pretty much always bottlenecked by CPU, not GPU.
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its kinda hard to buy nvidia products since they jewed their customers when the 970 came out + gimping old cards
amd is pretty based right now so unless the 1080 goes down because of a sale i think ill just wait for the 400 series

its kinda hard to buy nvidia products since they jewed their customers when the 970 came out + gimping old cards
amd is pretty based right now so unless the 1080 goes down because of a sale i think ill just wait for the 400 series
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i may pick up the 1070

i may pick up the 1070
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mafia_is_mafiaI bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?

Unless you're doing 4K resolution 120Hz max settings I really doubt you need a 10XX. It does boost performance very significantly though. I get pretty constantly over 150 fps on my 760 GTX at medium/high settings 1080p.

[quote=mafia_is_mafia]I bought a desktop with a 960 for 250 about a month ago. A 10XX shoudn't boost tf2 performance much right?[/quote]
Unless you're doing 4K resolution 120Hz max settings I really doubt you need a 10XX. It does boost performance very significantly though. I get pretty constantly over 150 fps on my 760 GTX at medium/high settings 1080p.
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It's time to readjust the hype.

1. PAPER LAUNCH
No GPUs are actually available.
The GTX 1080 won't launch until May 25th and aftermarket designs will only become available at the same time as the GTX 1070, June 10th.
Why did they push the 1080 before Computex? Why is the reference design 100$ more than aftermarket versions, which should have better coolers? The answer is simple, it's a Titan light. They're milking the "fastest GPU" title again.
There's also another reason for it: They can't sell a whole lot of 1080s because they don't have them. There is simply not enough GDDR5X available yet. For the same reason the 1070 uses only GDDR5. Should enough idiots rush for the 1080 you can expect the same supply shortage as with the Fury and similar prices at around 1000$.

2. Founder's Edition aka give us more money.
There is simply no reason not to wait the 2 weeks for aftermarket designs. Why pay 100$ (or 70$ in case of the 1070) more for an inferior cooler? And when aftermarket 1080s and the 1070 are first available Computex will be over and we should have seen what Polaris can do.

3. Polaris
Let's face it, very few people are going to buy the 1080. Most are interested in the 1070.
Now let's take a look at AMD's Polaris 10 which is supposed to launch at Computex, before the 1070 is even available.
Rumour has it that the 480X will beat the 980 Ti as well. Guess what, that's exactly where we expect the 1070 to end up*. But now for the price: 349$. Compare that with the 1070 at 450$ for the reference design and 380$ for aftermarket.
Are you sufficiently hyped yet?
But wait, there's more. The 480 (non-X) should be somewhere between the 390X and Fury X (or 980 and 980 Ti) but at 2xx$, the price bracket of the 380X.
So far nVidia has not announced any GPU that would compete with that.

*We don't exactly know yet how far it'll be cut down and how much of an impact GDDR5 instead of GDDR5X (-> lower bandwidth) will have.

4. Reviews & potential problems
Always wait for reviews before you buy.
As it turns out I overestimated nVidia. They never updated their roadmaps. "Full" DX12 support was planned for Volta and it stayed that way. Because of that they were able to deliver Pascal at around the same time of Polaris but it ends up being basically Maxwell on 16nm FF. Again, none of this is confirmed so wait for reviews, but Pascal might not have asynchronous compute either. In other words Pascal cards that are as fast or slightly faster than their AMD counterparts in DX11 might get massively shit on in DX12 again, just like we've seen with Maxwell.

There's also this https://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/
If this affects the GP104 too, oh boy, nVidia would be in some deep shit.
Links to the articles of the last time this has happened:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1013947/why-nvidia-duff-chips-shoddy-engineering
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1036374/what-nvidia

I'm not overly concerned since I won't be buying any Pascal GPUs anyway if they don't have ACEs. Anyone in a country with proper (or any) customer protection laws probably won't have a problem either. E.g. in the EU should the GPUs fail within 6 months nVidia has to replace them, unless they can prove that manufacturing defects are somehow the customers fault. In the US however you'd be fucked, so I'd wait until it's confirmed that GP104 isn't affected by this.

#21
I'd be more hyped for the 480(X) since they should be cheaper.

#22
Unless you want to throw away 300$ more on the reference designs wait until June 10th. For watercooling you have to wait for full blocks anyway so I don't see the point of ordering as soon as possible.

#29
Neither the 1080 nor the 1070 are actually available yet.
If AMD launches the 480 and 480X at Computex as expected then they would be available sooner than the 1070 or aftermarket 1080s.

#30
Wrong, the 480X should compete with the 1070.
I'm also not sure how 6 months are a year now.

#34
Better GPUs don't help at all in TF2.

It's time to readjust the hype.

1. [b]PAPER LAUNCH[/b]
No GPUs are actually available.
The GTX 1080 won't launch until May 25th and aftermarket designs will only become available at the same time as the GTX 1070, June 10th.
Why did they push the 1080 before Computex? Why is the reference design 100$ more than aftermarket versions, which should have better coolers? The answer is simple, it's a Titan light. They're milking the "fastest GPU" title again.
There's also another reason for it: They can't sell a whole lot of 1080s because they don't have them. There is simply not enough GDDR5X available yet. For the same reason the 1070 uses only GDDR5. Should enough idiots rush for the 1080 you can expect the same supply shortage as with the Fury and similar prices at around 1000$.

2. Founder's Edition aka give us more money.
There is simply no reason not to wait the 2 weeks for aftermarket designs. Why pay 100$ (or 70$ in case of the 1070) more for an inferior cooler? And when aftermarket 1080s and the 1070 are first available Computex will be over and we should have seen what Polaris can do.

3. Polaris
Let's face it, very few people are going to buy the 1080. Most are interested in the 1070.
Now let's take a look at AMD's Polaris 10 which is supposed to launch at Computex, before the 1070 is even available.
Rumour has it that the 480X will beat the 980 Ti as well. Guess what, that's exactly where we expect the 1070 to end up*. But now for the price: 349$. Compare that with the 1070 at 450$ for the reference design and 380$ for aftermarket.
Are you sufficiently hyped yet?
But wait, there's more. The 480 (non-X) should be somewhere between the 390X and Fury X (or 980 and 980 Ti) but at 2xx$, the price bracket of the 380X.
So far nVidia has not announced any GPU that would compete with that.

*We don't exactly know yet how far it'll be cut down and how much of an impact GDDR5 instead of GDDR5X (-> lower bandwidth) will have.

4. Reviews & potential problems
Always wait for reviews before you buy.
As it turns out I overestimated nVidia. They never updated their roadmaps. "Full" DX12 support was planned for Volta and it stayed that way. Because of that they were able to deliver Pascal at around the same time of Polaris but it ends up being basically Maxwell on 16nm FF. Again, none of this is confirmed so wait for reviews, but Pascal might not have asynchronous compute either. In other words Pascal cards that are as fast or slightly faster than their AMD counterparts in DX11 might get massively shit on in DX12 again, just like we've seen with Maxwell.

There's also this https://semiaccurate.com/2016/05/03/thing-go-bumpgate-in-the-night-for-nvidias-gp100-pascal-gpu/
If this affects the GP104 too, oh boy, nVidia would be in some deep shit.
Links to the articles of the last time this has happened:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1013947/why-nvidia-duff-chips-shoddy-engineering
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1036374/what-nvidia

I'm not overly concerned since I won't be buying any Pascal GPUs anyway if they don't have ACEs. Anyone in a country with proper (or any) customer protection laws probably won't have a problem either. E.g. in the EU should the GPUs fail within 6 months nVidia has to replace them, unless they can prove that manufacturing defects are somehow the customers fault. In the US however you'd be fucked, so I'd wait until it's confirmed that GP104 isn't affected by this.



#21
I'd be more hyped for the 480(X) since they should be cheaper.

#22
Unless you want to throw away 300$ more on the reference designs wait until June 10th. For watercooling you have to wait for full blocks anyway so I don't see the point of ordering as soon as possible.

#29
Neither the 1080 nor the 1070 are actually available yet.
If AMD launches the 480 and 480X at Computex as expected then they would be available sooner than the 1070 or aftermarket 1080s.

#30
Wrong, the 480X should compete with the 1070.
I'm also not sure how 6 months are a year now.

#34
Better GPUs don't help at all in TF2.
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i need to sell my fucking organs for that

i need to sell my fucking organs for that
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RIP Titan X owners lol.

RIP Titan X owners lol.
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I thought Polaris was only for entry level gpus and notebook variants? The reason I would like to go with a 1080 (or if possible the 1080ti) is that it'll be the "best" card coming out around June. Unfortunately I really won't be waiting any longer past the month of June anyways which is why I plan to order my cards then.

From what I understood, wasn't vega not out until sometime in 2017? Or at least not announced till then? Again it's more of wanting to buy within the next few months than waiting another 6-8, sorry.

Lastly, have we heard anything yet on a 1080ti?

I thought Polaris was only for entry level gpus and notebook variants? The reason I would like to go with a 1080 (or if possible the 1080ti) is that it'll be the "best" card coming out around June. Unfortunately I really won't be waiting any longer past the month of June anyways which is why I plan to order my cards then.

From what I understood, wasn't vega not out until sometime in 2017? Or at least not announced till then? Again it's more of wanting to buy within the next few months than waiting another 6-8, sorry.

Lastly, have we heard anything yet on a 1080ti?
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#42
You are forgetting that there are two different Polaris GPUs.
Polaris 11 which would be around a 380X in performance (not exactly entry level, more like decent midrange), but would more importantly be used as a high end notebook GPU* and
Polaris 10 which is a whole different beast, literally twice as large and fast so it might/should beat the Fury X or a 980 Ti.

* slightly lower clockrates of course, but that's still around a 380 in performance so you'd get e.g. 60fps on Ultra in Fallout 4 while using <50W which usually means garbage tier mobile GPUs like the GTX 940M or at best 950M which can barely keep up with the GTX 750.

Yes the GTX 1080 will be the best card in June but it's still retarded to buy it in May if it'll drop 100$ in price 2 weeks later.

No, we haven't heard anything about a 1080 Ti yet.
Vega 10 (faster than the 1080) should happen in Q1 2017, Vega 11 and GP102 (1080 Ti or whatever) should be released sometime in summer 2017. If they can even get GP100 working until then because that one takes priority. If GP100 gets terrible yields they might choose not to build a GP102 until later in 2017 since it would be a disaster at consumer prices and instead sell a further cut down version of the GP100, although that would get shit on by Vega 10, let alone Vega 11.

#42
You are forgetting that there are two different Polaris GPUs.
Polaris 11 which would be around a 380X in performance (not exactly entry level, more like decent midrange), but would more importantly be used as a high end notebook GPU* and
Polaris 10 which is a whole different beast, literally twice as large and fast so it might/should beat the Fury X or a 980 Ti.

* slightly lower clockrates of course, but that's still around a 380 in performance so you'd get e.g. 60fps on Ultra in Fallout 4 while using <50W which usually means garbage tier mobile GPUs like the GTX 940M or at best 950M which can barely keep up with the GTX 750.


Yes the GTX 1080 will be the best card in June but it's still retarded to buy it in May if it'll drop 100$ in price 2 weeks later.

No, we haven't heard anything about a 1080 Ti yet.
Vega 10 (faster than the 1080) should happen in Q1 2017, Vega 11 and GP102 (1080 Ti or whatever) should be released sometime in summer 2017. If they can even get GP100 working until then because that one takes priority. If GP100 gets terrible yields they might choose not to build a GP102 until later in 2017 since it would be a disaster at consumer prices and instead sell a further cut down version of the GP100, although that would get shit on by Vega 10, let alone Vega 11.
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Hmmm alright then thank you.

Hmmm alright then thank you.
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rowpiecesand im sitting over here with a 560 ti

Is there something wrong with that?

[quote=rowpieces]and im sitting over here with a 560 ti[/quote]

Is there something wrong with that?
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Well it appears bows the time to get amazing deals on 9xx's and Titans as people mindlessly sell. A pair of 980ti's just sold for 700 on a group I'm apart of. You see titan X's going for roughly the same price on eBay too lol.

Well it appears bows the time to get amazing deals on 9xx's and Titans as people mindlessly sell. A pair of 980ti's just sold for 700 on a group I'm apart of. You see titan X's going for roughly the same price on eBay too lol.
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How about this news about the 1080s only being allowed in 2 way SLI configurations?

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/the_gtx_1080_will_not_support_any_higher_than_2_way_sli_configurations/1

Is this evidence that Nvidia rushed the card?

How about this news about the 1080s only being allowed in 2 way SLI configurations?

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/the_gtx_1080_will_not_support_any_higher_than_2_way_sli_configurations/1

Is this evidence that Nvidia rushed the card?
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#48
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shdsteel disappointed he cant link 20 of them up to fly him to mars

shdsteel disappointed he cant link 20 of them up to fly him to mars
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ShdSteelIs this evidence that Nvidia rushed the card?

No. Why support something that no one in their right mind would do outside of a showfloor piece (4-way) or something that has so few users and is so sporadically supported by game devs that NVidia supporting it is a waste of time (3-way)?

[quote=ShdSteel]Is this evidence that Nvidia rushed the card?[/quote]

No. Why support something that no one in their right mind would do outside of a showfloor piece (4-way) or something that has so few users and is so sporadically supported by game devs that NVidia supporting it is a waste of time (3-way)?
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#50
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Price of 970 and 980 should go down
those cards can run anything that is not in 4k so thats good news!

Price of 970 and 980 should go down
those cards can run anything that is not in 4k so thats good news!
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x3Price of 970 and 980 should go down
those cards can run anything that is not in 4k so thats good news!

My single 980 ran things surprisingly well at 4k though g-sync was a big factor in that because the framerates became playable with g-sync.

[quote=x3]Price of 970 and 980 should go down
those cards can run anything that is not in 4k so thats good news![/quote]

My single 980 ran things surprisingly well at 4k though g-sync was a big factor in that because the framerates became playable with g-sync.
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setsulBecause of that they were able to deliver Pascal at around the same time of Polaris but it ends up being basically Maxwell on 16nm FF

So is Pascal a new architecture or an improved Maxwell?

Or was thatt just an image to help us understand what current pascal cards are?

[quote=setsul]Because of that they were able to deliver Pascal at around the same time of Polaris but it ends up being basically Maxwell on 16nm FF[/quote]

So is Pascal a new architecture or an improved Maxwell?

Or was thatt just an image to help us understand what current pascal cards are?
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#53
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Lol no worries it was just a joke.

Lol no worries it was just a joke.
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yukishdsteel disappointed he cant link 20 of them up to fly him to mars

Hit it right on the nose.

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Can me going to Mars be a new meme?
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I bet SpaceX could help me.
[quote=yuki]shdsteel disappointed he cant link 20 of them up to fly him to mars[/quote]
Hit it right on the nose.

[spoiler]Can me going to Mars be a new meme? [/spoiler]

[spoiler]I bet SpaceX could help me.[/spoiler]
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rowpiecesand im sitting over here with a 560 ti

Don't feel bad, I have a GTX 275.

I hope these new cards drop the price of the 980 for my new computer.

[quote=rowpieces]and im sitting over here with a 560 ti[/quote]

Don't feel bad, I have a GTX 275.

I hope these new cards drop the price of the 980 for my new computer.
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Dewotterrowpiecesand im sitting over here with a 560 ti
Don't feel bad, I have a GTX 275.

I hope these new cards drop the price of the 980 for my new computer.

honestly i cant help but think whatever last-gen card i have is still mid range
i mean you can still run GTA V and other new games on a HD 7850 if your CPU is decent enough

[quote=Dewotter][quote=rowpieces]and im sitting over here with a 560 ti[/quote]

Don't feel bad, I have a GTX 275.

I hope these new cards drop the price of the 980 for my new computer.[/quote]
honestly i cant help but think whatever last-gen card i have is still mid range
i mean you can still run GTA V and other new games on a HD 7850 if your CPU is decent enough
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keen to pick up a new gpu to replace my current card the r9 270x which ive had for slightly over a year but its slowly kicking the bucket :x

looking for a card in the $400-500 range, what is looking like a better option at this stage, the 1070 or an amd card like the 480?

keen to pick up a new gpu to replace my current card the r9 270x which ive had for slightly over a year but its slowly kicking the bucket :x

looking for a card in the $400-500 range, what is looking like a better option at this stage, the 1070 or an amd card like the 480?
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#58
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Well, I sold my GTX 980 and am using a borrowed GTX 970 until the 1080's come out at a decent price.

The benchmarks of overclocked GTX 1080's are insane!

Well, I sold my GTX 980 and am using a borrowed GTX 970 until the 1080's come out at a decent price.

[url=http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/gtx_1080_3dmark_performance_leaked/1]The benchmarks of overclocked GTX 1080's are insane![/url]
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#52
Now that reviews are out I can confirm that it's literally Maxwell "copy pasted" to 16nm FF.
Except for one minor organisational detail (5 instead of 4 SMMs per GPC) it's exactly the same.
Performance per clock is exactly the same.

You can actually do performance calculations with that.
980 Ti average boost clockrate around 1100MHz.
1080 average boost clockrate around 1650MHz.
2816 Shaders on the 980 Ti.
2560 Shaders on the 1080.

1650/1100 * 2560/2816 = 1.36
+35% is pretty much exactly where the 1080 ends up in most benchmarks, some slightly worse, some slightly better.

#52
Now that reviews are out I can confirm that it's literally Maxwell "copy pasted" to 16nm FF.
Except for one minor organisational detail (5 instead of 4 SMMs per GPC) it's exactly the same.
Performance per clock is exactly the same.

You can actually do performance calculations with that.
980 Ti average boost clockrate around 1100MHz.
1080 average boost clockrate around 1650MHz.
2816 Shaders on the 980 Ti.
2560 Shaders on the 1080.

1650/1100 * 2560/2816 = 1.36
+35% is pretty much exactly where the 1080 ends up in most benchmarks, some slightly worse, some slightly better.
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sickkkk i want one

sickkkk i want one
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