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hooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

Transgendered persons have a higher rate of mortality, suicidal behavior, and depression before (if) they get gender reassignment surgery too. You might be surprised to find that being told you are wrong about your own gender your whole life isn't really the most joyful way to be raised. Correlation =/= Causation, this specific instance

dollarlayer please read your post wherein you compared redefining a medical condition to calling an apple a bananna again aloud to yourself. If you don't realize how incredibly poor that analogical reasoning is then I really think you are beyond saving.

[quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957[/quote]


Transgendered persons have a higher rate of mortality, suicidal behavior, and depression before (if) they get gender reassignment surgery too. You might be surprised to find that being told you are wrong about your own gender your whole life isn't really the most joyful way to be raised. Correlation =/= Causation, this specific instance

dollarlayer please read your post wherein you compared redefining a medical condition to calling an apple a bananna again aloud to yourself. If you don't realize how incredibly poor that analogical reasoning is then I really think you are beyond saving.
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hooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.

as do gay people, it's almost as if society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.

[quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. [/quote]
as do gay people, it's [i]almost as if[/i] society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.
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dollarlayersaturn_dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.

The APA is the most influential psychology association in America and the DSM is widely regarded as a manual for psychiatric diagnosis. You argued that it was a disorder and brought up gender identity disorder. My point was that it has been reclassified, and that this is no longer the case. It's almost as if people in the medical field change terminology all the time and phase out old ones because they're inaccurate and sometimes harmful.

dollarlayerIf its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.

Where the fuck did you get this information from? It was a single article with a whopping sample size of 1 from 20 years ago. Please read things before you post about them.

re the suicide rate/depression thing: yeah it's almost as if society's widespread violence and bigotry against trans people and being raised to believe that you're a gender you're not can lead to being sad. Correlation isn't causation. It's honestly kind of appalling to see people bring up trans suicide rates as a gotcha without taking a second to think about why that is.

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=saturn_][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Gender_dysphoria]"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.[/url][/quote]

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.[/quote]
The APA is the most influential psychology association in America and the DSM is widely regarded as a manual for psychiatric diagnosis. You argued that it was a disorder and brought up gender identity disorder. My point was that it has been reclassified, and that this is no longer the case. It's almost as if people in the medical field change terminology all the time and phase out old ones because they're inaccurate and sometimes harmful.

[quote=dollarlayer]If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.
[/quote]
Where the fuck did you get this information from? It was a single article with a whopping sample size of 1 from 20 years ago. Please read things before you post about them.

re the suicide rate/depression thing: yeah it's almost as if society's widespread violence and bigotry against trans people and being raised to believe that you're a gender you're not can lead to being sad. Correlation isn't causation. It's honestly kind of appalling to see people bring up trans suicide rates as a gotcha without taking a second to think about [i]why[/i] that is.
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mustardoverlordNub_Danishmustardoverlorddollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant

I mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh fam

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot[/quote]
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them[/quote]

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant[/quote]
I mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh fam
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If there is one thing to take out this thread though please do not shit on hooli because unlike Dollar he actually takes the time to list his sources and is not trying to trivialize the field of medicine and psychology through his lack of understanding. TF.TV and the world in general needs rational debaters.

Even if you don't agree with hooli (I'm not sure I do bc I'm still somewhat unsure of what he's trying to prove) the blatant disrespect towards scientific professionals and logical reasoning seen by Dollar is approaching levels I thought unattainable even by him.

If there is one thing to take out this thread though please do not shit on hooli because unlike Dollar he actually takes the time to list his sources and is not trying to trivialize the field of medicine and psychology through his lack of understanding. TF.TV and the world in general needs rational debaters.

Even if you don't agree with hooli (I'm not sure I do bc I'm still somewhat unsure of what he's trying to prove) the blatant disrespect towards scientific professionals and logical reasoning seen by Dollar is approaching levels I thought unattainable even by him.
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You can't pick your gender, race, nationality but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of these things. If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white and i'm proud of my country. People are born as they are and nothing can change that. If you are born a male then you are a male for life and nothing will ever change that, if a man wants to be addressed as a women and wear womans clothing then that's fine as long as they are really mentally ill.

You can't pick your gender, race, nationality but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of these things. If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white and i'm proud of my country. People are born as they are and nothing can change that. If you are born a male then you are a male for life and nothing will ever change that, if a man wants to be addressed as a women and wear womans clothing then that's fine as long as they are really mentally ill.
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Every person they interviewed was a complete waste of human life tbh (except that blonde one, if she dropped the ugly granny glasses, that dumbass teenage mutant ninja turtles trench coat and suddenly became mute I'd give her a poke).

Every person they interviewed was a complete waste of human life tbh (except that blonde one, if she dropped the ugly granny glasses, that dumbass teenage mutant ninja turtles trench coat and suddenly became mute I'd give her a poke).
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harvestas do gay people, it's almost as if society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.

I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic considering society can't see what's in your pants.

[quote=harvest]as do gay people, it's [i]almost as if[/i] society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.[/quote]

I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic considering society can't see what's in your pants.
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sheepy_dogs_handFor example I am very proud of being white

god bless

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]For example I am very proud of being white[/quote]

god bless
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sheepy_dogs_handIf you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white and i'm proud of my country.

hello racism

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white and i'm proud of my country. [/quote]

hello racism
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sheepy_dogs_hand If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white .

You can't be serious.

By this point we should recognize when a thread is sheepy-bait and just delete it before he posts.

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand] [b]If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it. For example I am very proud of being white[/b] .[/quote]

You can't be serious.

By this point we should recognize when a thread is sheepy-bait and just delete it before he posts.
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hooliharvestas do gay people, it's [ialmost as if[/i] society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic.

If you think getting SRS is going to form a forcefield to stop being from being bigoted towards them then I think you're seriously kidding yourself.

No, transitioning isn't going to solve all trans people's problems. They're still going to have a mountain of violence against them. It's almost as if people are happier when they're allowed to be themselves! #woah

My last point is that not every trans person pursues or even wants surgery. It all depends on the individual.

[quote=hooli][quote=harvestas do gay people, it's [i]almost as if[/i] society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.[/quote]
I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic.[/quote]
If you think getting SRS is going to form a forcefield to stop being from being bigoted towards them then I think you're seriously kidding yourself.

No, transitioning isn't going to solve all trans people's problems. They're still going to have a mountain of violence against them. It's almost as if people are happier when they're allowed to be themselves! #woah

My last point is that not every trans person pursues or even wants surgery. It all depends on the individual.
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I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.

I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
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Nub_DanishmustardoverlordNub_Danishmustardoverlorddollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant
I mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh fam

Your reading comprehension skills are remarkably subpar given how confident you sound. I never said people with gender identity issues need "gender reassignment". Incidentally, there is no such thing as "gender reassignment", it's sexual reassignment because it changes someone's sex via surgery to match the gender they have in their head. In any case, as I already said in a previous post, many transgender people do not get SRS and choose to live pre-op for their entire lives. What hooli is saying is not that SRS is unnecessary, but that gender dysphoria can be "cured", via medication, to make people feel "male" or "female" again, because it's just a disorder like body dysmorphia is. This is utter nonsense and, as has been pointed out many times, the APA no longer subscribes to this view (even though they are historically very slow to change their mind on issues for far too long- see: homosexuality).

In the area I am talking about, the consensus HAS been reached.

Please stop acting so overconfident on issues you know absolutely nothing about.

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot[/quote]
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them[/quote]

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant[/quote]
I mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh fam[/quote]

Your reading comprehension skills are remarkably subpar given how confident you sound. I never said people with gender identity issues need "gender reassignment". Incidentally, there is no such thing as "gender reassignment", it's sexual reassignment because it changes someone's sex via surgery to match the gender they have in their head. In any case, as I already said in a previous post, many transgender people do not get SRS and choose to live pre-op for their entire lives. What hooli is saying is not that SRS is unnecessary, but that gender dysphoria can be "cured", via medication, to make people feel "male" or "female" again, because it's just a disorder like body dysmorphia is. This is utter nonsense and, as has been pointed out many times, the APA no longer subscribes to this view (even though they are historically very slow to change their mind on issues for far too long- see: homosexuality).

In the area I am talking about, the consensus HAS been reached.

Please stop acting so overconfident on issues you know absolutely nothing about.
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this thread

[url=https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/550288fe135896936880fdd4/3x]this thread[/url]
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sheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

P.S. people are prolly also -fragging you for the retarded second half of your post where you made it clear that you didn't read a single thing in this thread and have no idea what you're talking about

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

P.S. people are prolly also -fragging you for the retarded second half of your post where you made it clear that you didn't read a single thing in this thread and have no idea what you're talking about
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As someone who had GRS 2 weeks ago I can confirm my dysphoria is gone...obviously still have to deal with dickheads, but that's life, just easier to deal with them while not constantly hating oneself.

Plz change my Forum name to FootVagina

As someone who had GRS 2 weeks ago I can confirm my dysphoria is gone...obviously still have to deal with dickheads, but that's life, just easier to deal with them while not constantly hating oneself.

Plz change my Forum name to FootVagina
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mustardoverlordsheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

I don't see whats wrong with saying that

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."
[/quote]

I don't see whats wrong with saying that
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How did this escalate so quickly

How did this escalate so quickly
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sheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.

I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another
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sheepy_dogs_handmustardoverlordsheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

I don't see whats wrong with saying that

nothings really wrong with it until you followed it with Im very proud to be white
implying that becuase u are white u are superior

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."

"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."
[/quote]

I don't see whats wrong with saying that[/quote]
nothings really wrong with it until you followed it with Im very proud to be white
implying that becuase u are white u are superior
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fahrenheitsheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another

races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct

[quote=fahrenheit][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another[/quote]
races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct
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sheepy you literally just said being white is superior and then you don't understand how that's racist. Like I understand people are trying to keep this thread civil but honestly how much of a fucking idiot can you be. I mean you managed to turn on your computer and put on your clothes this morning this shouldn't be a hard concept to wrap your head around

sheepy you literally just said being white is superior and then you don't understand how that's racist. Like I understand people are trying to keep this thread civil but honestly how much of a fucking idiot can you be. I mean you managed to turn on your computer and put on your clothes this morning this shouldn't be a hard concept to wrap your head around
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Nub_Danishfahrenheitsheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another
races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct

multi posting to ask how you manage to be so retarded nub_danish

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=fahrenheit][quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]I'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.[/quote]

I don't think it was necessarily that you said you're proud of being white; you can be proud of your race that's all fine and dandy. It's just that you said "If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it." and then said "For example I'm proud of being white"

Implying that races can be genetically superior to one another[/quote]
races can be genetically superior to one another this is correct[/quote]
multi posting to ask how you manage to be so retarded nub_danish
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hooliharvestas do gay people, it's almost as if society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.
I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic considering society can't see what's in your pants.

but they can see your adam's apple, or your big shoulders, or your wide face and prominent jaw. (or reverse for trans men)
it's not like every transition causes all trans people to look completely cisgender and passing, in fact post op causes more problems society wise than pre op, because at least pre-op trans people pass as cis, transitioning is far more than just "change the sex organs!!" so yes you could easily say post op trans people are more likely to become suicidal especially if the transition didn't cause them to fully turn out like that dude i posted on the first page and society laughs at them because they think they're a drag queen crossdresser or something

[quote=hooli][quote=harvest]as do gay people, it's [i]almost as if[/i] society's awful treatment of trans people leads to a high suicide rate, on TOP of the already established gender dysphoria and internal conflict.[/quote]

I posted the swedish study to demonstrate that sex assignment surgery often won't make the subject happy and can easily lead to suicide. Patients became 20x more likely to commit suicide. It is very significant and perhaps an indicator that an answer lies in a different direction.

The statistic is for post op patients so the way society treats transgendered people does not have a significant effect on the suicide statistic considering society can't see what's in your pants.[/quote]

but they can see your adam's apple, or your big shoulders, or your wide face and prominent jaw. (or reverse for trans men)
it's not like every transition causes all trans people to look completely cisgender and passing, in fact post op causes more problems society wise than pre op, because at least pre-op trans people pass as cis, transitioning is far more than just "change the sex organs!!" so yes you could easily say post op trans people are more likely to become suicidal especially if the transition didn't cause them to fully turn out like that dude i posted on the first page and society laughs at them because they think they're a drag queen crossdresser or something
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Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't

Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't
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sheepy_dogs_handWell if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't

from my point of view we should judge individuals on what they've accomplished and you're an angry stupid racist child

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't[/quote]

from my point of view we should judge individuals on what they've accomplished and you're an angry stupid racist child
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sheepy_dogs_handWell if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. The greatest countries on earth were built by whites and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't

How do you measure how great a country is?

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways. [b]The greatest countries on earth were built by whites[/b][i][/i] and maintained by mostly whites. From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard. I don't see how this means I dislike other races at all cause I don't[/quote]
How do you measure how great a country is?
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sheepy_dogs_handWell if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many wayssheepy_dogs_handFrom my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard.

you LITERALLY just said white people should be judged better and treated better, then asked why you're being called a racist what the fuck

[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]Well if you look back at history whites are superior to some other races in many ways[/quote]
[quote=sheepy_dogs_hand]From my point of view people should be judged on what their actions and what they have accomplished and so whites are definitely superior in that regard.[/quote]
you LITERALLY just said white people should be judged better and treated better, then asked why you're being called a racist what the fuck
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HuckHow do you measure how great a country is?

Based on how similar it is to the US in the 1950s or 1980s. Duh.

[quote=Huck]
How do you measure how great a country is?[/quote]

Based on how similar it is to the US in the 1950s or 1980s. Duh.
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