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hoolihttp://www.sexchangeregret.com/

1. not nearly every trans person gets sexual reassignment surgery so this isn't universal in that regard

2. you cannot divorce the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they were actually wrong about what they wanted their genitalia to be from the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they've been taught their whole lives that they're wrong for wanting to be a different gender and have been depressed and self-loathing for years before their surgery

3. example of the above: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2015/11/02/firsthand-account-torture-conversion-therapy

4. there are also many people who claim to be "ex-gay" because they've also had bullshit crises of conscience due to their upbringings/societal pressure, I fail to see the distinction

[quote=hooli]http://www.sexchangeregret.com/[/quote]

1. not nearly every trans person gets sexual reassignment surgery so this isn't universal in that regard

2. you cannot divorce the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they were actually wrong about what they wanted their genitalia to be from the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they've been taught their whole lives that they're wrong for wanting to be a different gender and have been depressed and self-loathing for years before their surgery

3. example of the above: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2015/11/02/firsthand-account-torture-conversion-therapy

4. there are also many people who claim to be "ex-gay" because they've also had bullshit crises of conscience due to their upbringings/societal pressure, I fail to see the distinction
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hoolihttp://www.sexchangeregret.com/

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c3/1e/2a/c31e2a3358d810a8e2bac1cb77c9d2c9.jpg

[quote=hooli]http://www.sexchangeregret.com/[/quote]
[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c3/1e/2a/c31e2a3358d810a8e2bac1cb77c9d2c9.jpg[/img]
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hooliI'm not trying to discredit science just refuting "at the end of the day trans people are stuck with their feelings about their own gender". Often times people don't really know what they need to do to become happy.

i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves

[quote=hooli]I'm not trying to discredit science just refuting "at the end of the day trans people are stuck with their feelings about their own gender". Often times people don't really know what they need to do to become happy.[/quote]

i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves
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From a cursory glance it doesn't necessarily looks like it is trying to be hugely anti-scientific, just extremely biased and pushing an agenda.

There can be people that do regret their sex changes. Regardless if the website may try to present it in a condescending way to belittle trans people.

The issue of gender identity and gender dysphoria is one which leaves many people that may have complex and hard to understand feelings about their gender extremely confused. Sometimes changes are taken which they can regret due to social/cultural norms and personal feelings. Perhaps they rush into it, perhaps the actual operation is not well done and cause discomfort, there is a variety of reasons.

The website is clearly trying to shit on trans people and the trans community but it indirectly raises the problem of how complex the issue is, and how little is known while also showing that even with operations it does not necessarily help those who have gender dysphoria.

Also even if it is an unpopular opinion some people that have mental issues outside of gender dysphoria may think having a sex change could help them feel happier. Humans don't always make great decisions and some people can in fact just think they need to have a sex change to "start fresh". Obviously this should not discredit people who suffer from gender dysphoria. Just saying it can happen.

From a cursory glance it doesn't necessarily looks like it is trying to be hugely anti-scientific, just extremely biased and pushing an agenda.

There can be people that do regret their sex changes. Regardless if the website may try to present it in a condescending way to belittle trans people.

The issue of gender identity and gender dysphoria is one which leaves many people that may have complex and hard to understand feelings about their gender extremely confused. Sometimes changes are taken which they can regret due to social/cultural norms and personal feelings. Perhaps they rush into it, perhaps the actual operation is not well done and cause discomfort, there is a variety of reasons.

The website is clearly trying to shit on trans people and the trans community but it indirectly raises the problem of how complex the issue is, and how little is known while also showing that even with operations it does not necessarily help those who have gender dysphoria.

Also even if it is an unpopular opinion some people that have mental issues outside of gender dysphoria may think having a sex change could help them feel happier. Humans don't always make great decisions and some people can in fact just think they need to have a sex change to "start fresh". Obviously this should not discredit people who suffer from gender dysphoria. Just saying it can happen.
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fatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves

Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.

[quote=fatswimdude]i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves[/quote] Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.
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mustardoverlordNub_DanishThere's nothing wrong with identifying as a different gender, but as with race and height the gender you were born with is what you factually are no matter what you do nothing will change this. How would you feel as a woman who spent her entire life training for the Olympics only to have a portion of the top male athletes decide they identify as female and then lose your chances because the men are genetically predisposed to be stronger and faster than you? While bathrooms for different genders exist no people who are not of that gender should not be able to enter, but I don't believe we are ready to have gender neutral bathroom/locker rooms so I guess this small percentage of people will have to suffer through pissing in the women's bathroom when they have a dick now. Although this isn't really a problem for people who look the gender they identify as there are no bathroom police checking your gender so you can go where you please.

side-note: those kids are idiots who have been taught that facts don't matter all that matters is what you believe...
you are using one term, gender, to describe two different things, gender and sex

Gender is generally interchangeable with sex, I choose to use gender because when I say sex I tend to think of makin love to your mom! xd

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=Nub_Danish]There's nothing wrong with identifying as a different gender, but as with race and height the gender you were born with is what you factually are no matter what you do nothing will change this. How would you feel as a woman who spent her entire life training for the Olympics only to have a portion of the top male athletes decide they identify as female and then lose your chances because the men are genetically predisposed to be stronger and faster than you? While bathrooms for different genders exist no people who are not of that gender should not be able to enter, but I don't believe we are ready to have gender neutral bathroom/locker rooms so I guess this small percentage of people will have to suffer through pissing in the women's bathroom when they have a dick now. Although this isn't really a problem for people who look the gender they identify as there are no bathroom police checking your gender so you can go where you please.

side-note: those kids are idiots who have been taught that facts don't matter all that matters is what you believe...[/quote]
you are using one term, gender, to describe two different things, gender and sex
[/quote]

Gender is generally interchangeable with sex, I choose to use gender because when I say sex I tend to think of makin love to your mom! xd
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Sex is the gametes you produce, Gender is your role in a society.

Sex is the gametes you produce, Gender is your role in a society.
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hoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.

I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.

[quote=hooli][quote=fatswimdude]i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves[/quote] Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.[/quote]

I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.
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hoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.dollarlayerhoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.
I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.

you are both so painfully wrong that it hurts, and in 20 years people like you will seem as laughable as those who still believe in gay conversion therapy

for the record:
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

[quote=hooli][quote=fatswimdude]i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves[/quote] Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.[/quote]
[quote=dollarlayer][quote=hooli][quote=fatswimdude]i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves[/quote] Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.[/quote]

I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.[/quote]

you are both so painfully wrong that it hurts, and in 20 years people like you will seem as laughable as those who still believe in gay conversion therapy

for the record:
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx
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hoolibut it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.dollarlayer Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.

where those credible sources at tho

[quote=hooli]but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.[/quote]
[quote=dollarlayer] Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.[/quote]
where those credible sources at tho
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dollarlayerhoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.
I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.

Yes and what other stupid shit have physiologists concluded

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=hooli][quote=fatswimdude]i hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselves[/quote] Of course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.[/quote]

I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.[/quote]


Yes and what other stupid shit have physiologists concluded
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I have concluded the universe is also made of cheese.

But much like these nameless psychologists which I'm sure exist or are not at all biased I am still not to be trusted because concluding without evidence is just guessing.

I have concluded the universe is also made of cheese.

But much like these nameless psychologists which I'm sure exist or are not at all biased I am still not to be trusted because concluding without evidence is just guessing.
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AvastI have concluded the universe is also made of cheese.

But much like these nameless psychologists which I'm sure exist or are not at all biased I am still not to be trusted because concluding without evidence is just guessing.

https://defuse.ca/the-universe-is-made-of-cheese.htm

[quote=Avast]I have concluded the universe is also made of cheese.

But much like these nameless psychologists which I'm sure exist or are not at all biased I am still not to be trusted because concluding without evidence is just guessing.[/quote]


https://defuse.ca/the-universe-is-made-of-cheese.htm
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harvestwhere those credible sources at tho

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

[quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
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dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
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Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
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dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Gender_dysphoria]"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.[/url]
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saturn_dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.

[quote=saturn_][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Gender_dysphoria]"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.[/url][/quote]

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.
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mustardoverlorddollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot

The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot[/quote]
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them
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$layer your whole argument is based on semantics so saying semantics dont matter might not be your best strat here bro

$layer your whole argument is based on semantics so saying semantics dont matter might not be your best strat here bro
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hooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

1. Persons with transsexualism before sex reassignment have higher risks for all of those things too.

2. "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism"

You just proved my point, which is that gender dysphoria in and of itself is not responsible for the increased risks of depression, suicidal behavior, and mortality.

3. This study is only calling for continual treatment to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts of the patient group, not to reverse the SRS, at least as far as I can tell.

hooliOUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

This is a single article from 1996, on ONE patient, with no hint as to whether or not the findings are replicable (most positive findings are not), and even then it suggests that pharmacotherapy works in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria- as in, if the person is wrong

[quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
[/quote]

1. Persons with transsexualism before sex reassignment have higher risks for all of those things too.

2. "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, [b]although alleviating gender dysphoria[/b], may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism"

You just proved my point, which is that gender dysphoria in and of itself is not responsible for the increased risks of depression, suicidal behavior, and mortality.

3. This study is only calling for continual treatment to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts of the patient group, not to reverse the SRS, at least as far as I can tell.

[quote=hooli]
OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957[/quote]

This is a single article from 1996, on ONE patient, with no hint as to whether or not the findings are replicable (most positive findings are not), and even then it suggests that pharmacotherapy works in cases of [b]doubtful gender dysphoria[/b]- as in, if the person is wrong
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hooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

I think people are just downfragging hooli without actually taking the time to read his things or understand what he's saying.

The first article he posted is not stating that gender dysphoria isn't real or that transgender people can't get reassignment surgery and live happy lives. It's simply stating that they often still have emotional issues after the fact that can be helped with pharmaceuticals.

That article is scientifically sound as it has received a high impact factor from reputable scientifically journal reviewers http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=10600153309&tip=sid&clean=0

The other article he linked is not reputable though. See mustard's post above.

[quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957[/quote]

I think people are just downfragging hooli without actually taking the time to read his things or understand what he's saying.

The first article he posted is not stating that gender dysphoria isn't real or that transgender people can't get reassignment surgery and live happy lives. It's simply stating that they often still have emotional issues after the fact that can be helped with pharmaceuticals.

That article is scientifically sound as it has received a high impact factor from reputable scientifically journal reviewers http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=10600153309&tip=sid&clean=0

The other article he linked is not reputable though. See mustard's post above.
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dollarlayersaturn_dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.

Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=saturn_][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Gender_dysphoria]"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.[/url][/quote]

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.[/quote]

Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???
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Nub_DanishThe problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them

well i mean if u dont have some irrational distaste for trans people u wouldn't really give a fuck would u?

"I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin."

^this is retarded

If the best way to help anorexics was to let them get thinner, it might be comparable, but its not.

[quote=Nub_Danish]
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them[/quote]
well i mean if u dont have some irrational distaste for trans people u wouldn't really give a fuck would u?

"I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin."

^this is retarded

If the best way to help anorexics was to let them get thinner, it might be comparable, but its not.
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AvasthooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

I think people are just downfragging hooli without actually taking the time to read his things or understand what he's saying.

His findings are not stating that gender dysphoria isn't real or that transgender people can't get reassignment surgery and live happy lives. It's simply stating that they often still have emotional issues after the fact that can be helped with pharmaceuticals.

That article is scientifically sound as it has received a high impact factor from reputable scientifically journal reviewers http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=10600153309&tip=sid&clean=0

You are mistaken- this is what the articles are saying, but not what hooli is saying. hooli is misinterpreting the articles in an attempt to prove that gender dysphoria can be 'treated' such that people go back to being fine with their gender assigned at birth, just like anorexia or something

[quote=Avast][quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957[/quote]

I think people are just downfragging hooli without actually taking the time to read his things or understand what he's saying.

His findings are not stating that gender dysphoria isn't real or that transgender people can't get reassignment surgery and live happy lives. It's simply stating that they often still have emotional issues after the fact that can be helped with pharmaceuticals.

That article is scientifically sound as it has received a high impact factor from reputable scientifically journal reviewers http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=10600153309&tip=sid&clean=0[/quote]

You are mistaken- this is what the articles are saying, but not what hooli is saying. hooli is misinterpreting the articles in an attempt to prove that gender dysphoria can be 'treated' such that people go back to being fine with their gender assigned at birth, just like anorexia or something
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Nub_Danishmustardoverlorddollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=mustardoverlord][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]

too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot[/quote]
The problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham them[/quote]

an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence

I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant
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mustardoverlordMaybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???

If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.

Also even if we go with the term "Gender Dysphoria" it still is a mental issue.

dys·pho·ri·a
noun
a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.

"Dissatisfaction with life"... hmm sounds kind of like depression which is a mental disorder.

[quote=mustardoverlord]Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???[/quote]

If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.

Also even if we go with the term "Gender Dysphoria" it still is a mental issue.

dys·pho·ri·a
noun
a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.

"Dissatisfaction with life"... hmm sounds kind of like depression which is a mental disorder.
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Yeah D

dollarlayersaturn_dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.

Actually it is extremely important what one organization reclassifies something as considering the APA is both the largest and most influential psychology association in America. When it changes the wording or definition of something the medical field listens and if you really do know what the medical field uses widely you'll know that APA's definition is becoming the standard and the older, less scientifically sound definitions are being phased out due to, you guessed it, their inaccuracy.

Every time you post you make it very clear you are not scientifically literate.

And to tack onto this post of your lack of scientific misunderstanding.

Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps transgendered people are more likely to need antipsychotic drugs due to the fact they have often been constantly harassed and abused through their lives and as a result have other issues besides their gender dsysphoria?

In addition, they were not "treating" gender dysphoria with these drugs they were merely utilized in helping transgednered people cope with suicidal and other harmful thoughts even after sex reassignment surgery in order to help them deal with their emotional stress.

If you want to learn about science many people on this forum would love to help you. But it's clear you're trying to take findings in a field you don't understand and fit them to your agenda.

Yeah D[quote=dollarlayer][quote=saturn_][quote=dollarlayer][quote=harvest]where those credible sources at tho[/quote]

Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.

The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.[/quote]
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Gender_dysphoria]"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.[/url][/quote]

It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.

Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.[/quote]

Actually it is extremely important what one organization reclassifies something as considering the APA is both the largest and most influential psychology association in America. When it changes the wording or definition of something the medical field listens and if you really do know what the medical field uses widely you'll know that APA's definition is becoming the standard and the older, less scientifically sound definitions are being phased out due to, you guessed it, their inaccuracy.

Every time you post you make it very clear you are not scientifically literate.

And to tack onto this post of your lack of scientific misunderstanding.

Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps transgendered people are more likely to need antipsychotic drugs due to the fact they have often been constantly harassed and abused through their lives and as a result have other issues besides their gender dsysphoria?

In addition, they were not "treating" gender dysphoria with these drugs they were merely utilized in helping transgednered people cope with suicidal and other harmful thoughts even after sex reassignment surgery in order to help them deal with their emotional stress.

If you want to learn about science many people on this forum would love to help you. But it's clear you're trying to take findings in a field you don't understand and fit them to your agenda.
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dollarlayermustardoverlordMaybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???
If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.

see

mustardoverlordhooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

1. Persons with transsexualism before sex reassignment have higher risks for all of those things too.

2. "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism"

You just proved my point, which is that gender dysphoria in and of itself is not responsible for the increased risks of depression, suicidal behavior, and mortality.

3. This study is only calling for continual treatment to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts of the patient group, not to reverse the SRS, at least as far as I can tell.
hooliOUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

This is a single article from 1996, on ONE patient, with no hint as to whether or not the findings are replicable (most positive findings are not), and even then it suggests that pharmacotherapy works in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria- as in, if the person is wrong
[quote=dollarlayer][quote=mustardoverlord]Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???[/quote]

If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.[/quote]

see

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=hooli]Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
[/quote]

1. Persons with transsexualism before sex reassignment have higher risks for all of those things too.

2. "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, [b]although alleviating gender dysphoria[/b], may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism"

You just proved my point, which is that gender dysphoria in and of itself is not responsible for the increased risks of depression, suicidal behavior, and mortality.

3. This study is only calling for continual treatment to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts of the patient group, not to reverse the SRS, at least as far as I can tell.

[quote=hooli]
OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957[/quote]

This is a single article from 1996, on ONE patient, with no hint as to whether or not the findings are replicable (most positive findings are not), and even then it suggests that pharmacotherapy works in cases of [b]doubtful gender dysphoria[/b]- as in, if the person is wrong[/quote]
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dollarlayermustardoverlordMaybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???
If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.

I tried to search up to see if pimozide was actually being used to treat gender dysphoria by ANYONE, even the most skeptical of doctors who literally believe transgender people are equivalent to schizophrenics, and I found only three things

1) that same 1996 article, conducted on ONE person, with no hint at any replicability

2) people on r/asktransgender making fun of said article

3) people on a catholic forum supporting said article

I don't think anyone in the world actually treats gender dysphoria with this particular medication, because doing so is loony

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=mustardoverlord]Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???[/quote]

If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.[/quote]

I tried to search up to see if pimozide was actually being used to treat gender dysphoria by ANYONE, even the most skeptical of doctors who literally believe transgender people are equivalent to schizophrenics, and I found only three things

1) that same 1996 article, conducted on ONE person, with no hint at any replicability

2) people on r/asktransgender making fun of said article

3) people on a catholic forum supporting said article

I don't think anyone in the world actually treats gender dysphoria with this particular medication, because doing so is loony
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